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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:14 pm

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No, Shotty should shoot tonight. 100%. Regardless of whether he's vig or SK, he's going to functionally be a vig because his best move (if he's the SK) is to ride reduce the number of scum so that scum start needing him to reduce the number of mislynches they need (and he gets +like points from town, too). Saying he shouldn't shoot for fear of hitting town is like saying town shouldn't lynch for fear of hitting town.

It takes a lot of suspension of disbelief for me to see Robo as scum. We know he wasn't Kerrigan (unless there are two Kerrigans and millar was town, but that's loony), so he would've had to have planned that pre-game. If I had that ability as scum, I wouldn've used to to quicklynch town as soon as possible, ideally after a town-on-town interaction. Robo is probably town.

Furco went to the trouble to find which players were online at the time of ZR, and millar was on his list. Millar flipped Kerrigan. These kinds of things are evidence of the kind of scumhunting I wouldn't expect Fur to do as scum. He also hammered his (hypothetical) scumfriend without giving said scumfriend a chance to claim. And it's not even the case that the scumfriend was the obvious lynch (SX and I were saying he'd flip town)! I would be extremely surprised if Furco were scum, in spite of his behavior.

I wish I'd kept track of confirmation order. If millar confirmed late, that'd make Roboscum more plausible. Several of his posts today have seemed like logicfail reaches motivated by a perception that he perceived himself to be cleared.
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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:28 pm

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Kdub please explain how Peach is out of place flavorwise. That means absolutely nothing with no explanation other than that you want to discredit the claim and have no means by which to do so.
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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:49 pm

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Is there an upperbound on the number of scum left in the game? Can we safely assume there are no more than 3 scum left (either 3 scum or 2 scum + 1sk as a maximum)?
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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:52 pm

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Pretty much @ Muffin. There may be fewer if Ythan is town (e.g. Shotty may be a real vig).
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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:38 pm

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Robocopter87 wrote:We don't lose a day if the Beloved Princess is NK'ed. But, they do say that the BP should claim ASAP in the beginning.
Who is this they you are talking about? The Wiki? If so stop posting Wiki information as if it's the Bible. A Beloved claiming immediately is just the same as a Miller -- there is debate about the wisdom in either case.

I suggest everyone take a good look at Robocopter while mulling over Ythan's claim.
i took a good look at you while mulling over ythan's claim, and i have to say that if you are scum you have nuts.
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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:49 am

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Regarding kdub’s plan –


I’m not thrilled with it as I think the direct action by Furc on Shotty in my plan allows for a more definitive information stream. That said I will not throw a fit if the majority think it is a better way to go. I don't think that Shotty should be restricted from firing if he chooses, so long as he agrees not to hit Furc.
Ythan wrote:I think that your poor attempt to do so is. With every post your push against me gets less and less townish.
My question to you in regards to your back and forth with Muffin is this –

If you believe millar was scum do you think Muffin would bus as hard as happened Day 1 with millar? He put together a rather large post attacking him and was on millar’s ass all Day.

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– We aren’t lyncing Furc today. Stop making pointless votes. We understand his play has been scummy but his ability to potentially confirm another player’s identity is too powerful to waste. Given he has stated it is 2-shot if we still feel he is the best lynch we can do so tomorrow.
Iec wrote:It takes a lot of suspension of disbelief for me to see Robo as scum. We know he wasn't Kerrigan (unless there are two Kerrigans and millar was town, but that's loony), so he would've had to have planned that pre-game. If I had that ability as scum, I wouldn've used to to quicklynch town as soon as possible, ideally after a town-on-town interaction. Robo is probably town.
The gaping black hole in your logic is the assumption that scum don’t have Day-talk. With that possibility your chain of logic that Robo couldn’t have easily planned the execution with millar is broken.

And the assertion of what you would have done with the power is WIFOM. You know better Iec, so cut it out.
Muffin wrote:Is there an upperbound on the number of scum left in the game? Can we safely assume there are no more than 3 scum left (either 3 scum or 2 scum + 1sk as a maximum)?
I find it highly unlikely there is 3 total Non-Town left. In a Mini a 4 person Mafia team is a very unbalanced set-up and as such can be thrown out for consideration.

If Shotty is an SK (which I don’t believe to be the case based on Role-PM based outguess the mod logic) then there is a possibility of a 2 Mafia – 1 Serial Killer set-up. There is also the possibility of a 1 Mafia – 1 Serial Killer set-up left.

This all assumes that millar was Mafia.
Furc wrote:i took a good look at you while mulling over ythan's claim, and i have to say that if you are scum you have nuts.
It’s statements like this that make everyone think you are scum. This statement says NOTHING about what you believe regarding whether I am Town or Scum. You aren’t taking a position but are just staying active without adding content.
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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:39 am

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Ythan wrote:Kdub please explain how Peach is out of place flavorwise. That means absolutely nothing with no explanation other than that you want to discredit the claim and have no means by which to do so.
The flips we have seen, the pictures, Robo's claimed roleblock flavor last night, etc. all suggest edgy, serious flavor. Do you think Peach as a beloved princess fits that?

Iecerint:
Scum could have daytalk, or they could have been given a set amount of time to communicate at the start of the game (e.g. first 48 hours after the game begins), as I've seen become fairly common. Fair point on Shotty, but I'm looking at risk/reward of Shotty potentially hitting town vs. him hitting scum tonight. An alternative plan if we really want him to shoot tonight is that we could vote on someone for him to target, and if he kills anyone else, we lynch him. Otherwise, I think we are staking too much on him being truthful.

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Can you explain how your plan gives more information? I think my plan gives as much, if not more info because we will be able to control Shotty in the event that he is a vig, in addition to figuring out whether Fur or Ythan are town.
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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:27 am

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Yeah, I forgot about daytalk (I did mention it as a possibility when I brought his up D1, I think), and something like a 48 hour chat bit didn't even occur to me. That's true.

There's always the possibility that different people made different choices than me, but there's still some value in introspection.

Directing Shotty is. Well. That wouldn't be the end of the world.

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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:33 am

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Iecerint wrote:AUnrelated Q: I accidentally made the text microscopic. How to fix? I thought it was the scrollbar, but it won't work. <_<
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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:02 am

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I forgot CTRL. Thanks. ^^
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:36 am

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All right, I didn't want to do this until D3 but I'm worried about shotty vigging me and having my info die with me. At the beginning of D2, Robo was trying to make it seem like Millar might have been town. I think this confirms that Millar was scum in light of the following info, so I'm going to help rid the town of a 2nd mafioso.

I'm
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I'd originally planned to buddy up to Robo today while looking back at D1 for associative tells in order to sniff out his partner while appearing to be valuable to the mafia (i.e. hoping they wouldn't nk me because I was defending one of theirs). I did this and noticed that Ythan and Robo were consistently in favor of furcolow being lynched and defending Millar. There have been a few times where Robo defended Ythan as well. Things such as these are why I decided to get all up in Ythan's grill today. I am still not convinced he is town.

In any case, if it makes any difference I breadcrumbed my role in this post
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I'd also like to humbly request doctor protection tonight :mrgreen:
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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:43 am

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unvote votee Muffin


He's Lying. I am Good.
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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:56 am

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Alright, you can kill me. I understand what you're all thinking, " It alllllll makes sense now". NO. I am good. My flip won't say it, but Chun Li is a good Person.

So when i flip, instead of ssaying, Robo is scum, say Robo was Town. Because Chun Li is good.

Kill me all you want, when I flip, remember I am town. This game doesn't have Faction Flips so remember I said this.

Overall: Muffin is either Lying, or Insane, I'm good. Kill me if you want. Muffin prob scum. Furc his buddy, Robo Over and Out.
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:56 am

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And that folks, is an appeal to emotion.
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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:25 am

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Yes, it is. But this time, its from a townie, You're good Muffin. May I ask if it was a fakeclaim or did you do it by yourself?
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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:32 am

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Muffin, why aren't you more suspicious of me? Or are you?
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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:52 am

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Invote, Vote: Robo


Not so much the claimed results, but his reaction is incredibly terribad.
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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:53 am

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:roll:, kill me if you want, Remember,
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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:55 am

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Kdub wrote:
Ythan wrote:Kdub please explain how Peach is out of place flavorwise. That means absolutely nothing with no explanation other than that you want to discredit the claim and have no means by which to do so.
The flips we have seen, the pictures, Robo's claimed roleblock flavor last night, etc. all suggest edgy, serious flavor. Do you think Peach as a beloved princess fits that?
This is the most egregious and pointless outguessing of a mod I have ever seen. Can you tell me why scum wants me dead so bad?

I trust Muffin more than Robo. Sorry Robo. :(

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Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:10 pm

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Aye. I understand. Muffin played his cards good. Claimed I am bad. I understand, I would be on me. I did a bad town job this game.
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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:28 pm

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The Brave and the Beautiful - Vote Count 2.15


Robocopter87 [5] - MagnaofIllusion, Kdub, Muffin, bv310, Ythan
Muffin [2] - Shotty to the Body, Robocopter87
Ythan [1] - Furcolow
Kdub [1] - Iecerint

Not Voting [0] - Ama-za-zing.

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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:39 pm

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The two deaths last night had shaken each of you. You shuddered as you thought: It could have been any one of us. Or at least that's what emotion told you. But a little hint of logic would tell you otherwise, because you
knew
that there were more evil ones among you. And it was your job -- all of you -- to hunt them down and put them to justice. And so you started in with a passion, trying to find the ones who killed Cortana and Samus last night.

It was almost too easy.

"I was the one who shot Samus last night." declared Shotty to the Body. "I don't know about Cortana, though."

After much deliberation amongst the group, you all figured that nobody who was evil would own up to having killed one of the victims last night -- or would they? Nevertheless, you decided to let her live for a while longer, because regardless of her alignment, she seemed to at least being honest. And for a time, you searched elsewhere for the evil ones.

You searched and searched. Searched for hours. Hours that felt like days, even weeks. You began to get so bored and tired that you wanted to go back to your room and catch some sleep. But you knew you couldn't sleep without putting yourself in grave danger. Nevertheless, your eyelids began to droop as you hunted for every last scrap of detail... but that's when you heard it.

"This one!" Muffin called, anxious and very nervous. "Over here! She's evil!"

And suddenly you were wide awake again. As you raced over to her, you realize that she is calling your attention to Robocopter87, and further, she began to argue adamantly that she'd spied on Robocopter87 the night before, and that her curiosities had proven useful. She'd found very convincing evidence that Robocopter87 was evil, and she was dying to share it with the rest of you!

"I went to her room last night, after everyone had gone to sleep." she began.

"What were you doing walking around the bunker at night?" pressed someone else. "That sounds pretty suspicious to me. You could be the one doing all the killing. And even if you're not, you know that you could have been killed last night, right?"

"Shhh, quiet. Let her finish." hushed another.

"Ok, so went to her room," continued Muffin. "and she was tossing and turning, like she was having a bad dream, like, moaning and twisting and all that. I could see her mouth moving through the porthole in her door, but I couldn't hear what she was saying... I... well, I opened her door, really quietly so I wouldn't wake her up, and then it hit me." She paused.

"What?" goaded yet another, standing to her left.

"That smell," she continued again. "The smell of... the smell of
evil
. I can't describe it to you, I only know deep down that it's absolutely, utterly evil. And then I heard her voice. It wasn't like it is now, she didn't even sound like she normally sounded. She was speaking in a deeper, sinister, almost guttural voice."

"What was she saying?" interrupted the first girl again, leaning forward, waiting with bated breath.

"She was saying... 'Kill them.' ... 'Kill them... all.'" said Muffin, and it was obvious that she was almost beyond fear.

"And then what?"

"Well, and then I ran back to my room and stayed under the sheets all night! I was barely even brave enough to get up this morning! She just... I don't know what's wrong with her, but I know she's evil, and I know she wants to kill us... I was so scared that I didn't even tell you until right now, I... I don't know why, but... I'm still scared."

"Well I for one am not one to mince words," said a snappy Ythan, and stood, walking over to where two others held Robocopter87 with her hands behind her back. "You're gonna tell us where you were last night, and you're gonna tell us now. Did you kill anyone? Don't even
think
about lying to me; I will
end
you."

Robocopter87 looked up, her face also drawn tight with fear.

"I don't know what you're talking about! I'm not evil, I promise! I had a weird, freaky dream last night, but I don't remember talking in my sleep, and I don't remember saying anything like that, and I'm not trying to
kill
anyone, for crying out loud!" she spoke rapid-fire; her apprehension was so tangible that it could have been cut with a knife.

Murmurs went around the room, and people were much quicker to deliberate than before.

"Kill her." said bv310.
"You already know
I
want her dead," said MagnaofIllusion.

More than half agreed, and so Ythan went to the weapons locker and pulled out a poison grenade. After donning a protective gasmask and advising the others in the bunker to do the same, she strode purposefully over to Robocopter87 and grabbed her hair, pulling it back and nearly snapping her neck in the process. As Robocopter87 cried out in pain, Ythan took the opportunity and slammed the gas grenade violently into Robocopter87's mouth. You could hear teeth splinter, and Robocopter87's gagged screams in conjunction with her wide-eyed looks of terror and pain made more than one of the less stout-hearted look away. But Ythan held firmly onto the back of Robocopter87's hair, and made sure that the weapon did its frightful work.

After ten seconds, Robocopter87 stopped struggling. After thirty seconds, Ythan released her grip and stepped back out of the faint purplish green cloud of smoke that was growing around the newly deceased body, but not before reaching into the front of her shirt and ripping the dog tags from around her neck.

"Keep your masks on until the filtration system clears the air, it should take about five minutes to fully eradicate." she commanded through her speech modulator.

And then, she looked down at the cold metal tags in her hand, as she lifted them up to get a closer look.









"Damn. She wasn't lying." Ythan stated.

"Robocopter87 really
was
who she said she was."



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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:34 am

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You wake in the morning and are shocked to find that Ythan was killed last night. And not just normally killed, but brutally murdered in her bed at night, with blood spattered all over the walls, soaking the sheets, and her face and other skin scratched and torn nearly off. The stench is awful! Nobody wants to go in and check to see who Ythan was...


But a brave one among you is able to calm her stomach, hold her nose, and slowly enter into the room of death. After a few minutes of searching, she finds the personal effects of the deceased, which reveal her true identity. Upon finding out, you all begin to cry. Ythan really
was
Princess Peach, like she'd claimed yesterday!




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Ythan, Princess Peach, has been scratched and torn to death.



Immediately you all begin preparation for a funeral such as is only deserved by the most Beloved in the Mushroom Kingdom, and you plan to have the funeral today. There is no possibility of an open casket at this funeral, so everyone is even more sad, because they will have to rely only on memory to bring back the last time they saw the their beloved princess, Peach.

Around noon, the guests begin to arrive, among the list are Mario, who brings a solitary rose for his one true love, now lost; Luigi, who is very sad and states that he will miss playing tennis with Peach; Wario, who does his very best not to laugh inappropriately during the ceremony; Daisy, who will miss her sister dearly; Rosalina, who will miss all the beach volleyball sessions; Yoshi, who sheds a tear in remorse but stays near Mario the entire time; and even Bowser comes, dressed in a black tuxedo and bringing a star that he's always saved for Peach.

Each of you is thoroughly touched at the proceedings, and very glad that you've taken time out of the day to honor your friend's life and mourn her tragic death. And as the sun slowly recedes below the horizon, the guests all tearfully leave one by one, and you all file back into the bunker to get a good night's sleep.


It is now Night 3, which will be slightly shorter than other nights, due to there being two nights in a row.

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Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:09 pm

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During the middle of the day, while you were all away at Princess Peach's funeral, one of the consoles back at the base buzzed to life, after finishing a days-long multiple-term query of the entire base intranet. It showed a blinking message across the top of the screen, along with a small modulated beeping noise, designed to attract attention of any nearby personnel.



SEARCH RESULTS FOUND


If any of you were there to see (which you were not), you would have first seen the search query, and then the image attached to the case file prominently displayed in the search results. And if any of you had been there, you would most likely also have correctly surmised that the woman Furcolow so unelegantly executed on Day 1 was in fact not Sarah Kerrigan, at least not any longer.

For the terminal displayed some disturbing information collected over years of observation of enemy tactics, units, control capabilities, and command structure. The document also listed many of the unique and dangerous qualities that such a woman would likely possess, as well as her perceived intentions and current location and status. The screen read as follows:



SUBJECT FILE
// CASE #000022597823, OPENED 2265-07-31, CLOSED ????-??-??

Full Name
: the Queen of Blades
Alignment
:
Evil

Alias(es)
: formerly known as 'Sarah Louise Kerrigan'

Subject has many unique and dangerous abilities, such as psionic lightning attacks, an invisibility cloaking device, far-reaching mind control, and perhaps most frightening and dangerous, the apparent ability to resume the appearance of her former self to such a convincing degree that even directly killing her will not reveal her to be who she truly is. She is believed to be in command of an entire race of insectoid genetic assimilators known only as the Zerg. She is armed at all times, extremely dangerous, and her current location is UNKNOWN.


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But unfortunately, nobody was left back at the base to pick up this message, to read the information, and to disseminate this new tidbit of knowledge to everyone nearby, in hopes that some kind of breakthrough in knowledge might be reached. Alas; this was simply not possible: for you were all away, attending the funeral of one of the hottest princesses that you'd ever laid eyes on. And you all wept, bitterly.

But some of you were shedding crocodile tears.
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"Take me to Pleasure Town!" "Look, the most Glorious Rainbow Ever!" "Do me on it!" -

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