Mini 983: It Got Worse (GAME OVER)

[Ellibereth]

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What are points and why can Llama take them off? >.>
(I know they're because I said my predecessor's name and all that).
And sorry guyz, it take a few more days to get oriented into here, a lot of other places I have to catch up on too. >.>
skimmed through Spy iso fast

Tinfoil: RC / Nik / SPS with SPS hail mary because a Nik-scum is dominoes?

WOULD have said there was one scum here but they all flipped town rite? >.>

No idea who Ythan, SpyreX replaced

[quote="Spy']Who I replaced?
I've been here since the beginning mon capitan.[/quote]
Lol? Not scum with spy

Ok I'll do this..later..

[LlamaFluff]

What are points and why can Llama take them off? >.>

Points are "bad". One of my govenor powers was to take all points of someone else. Also I have no points since my pinata gift was remove all of your own points.

You also point out why ooba-Spy are not partners. That is just more evidence for that. Also all the more reason ooba is part of scum B to me.

@SK - Who do you think is Spys partner? What do you think Elis alignment is? What do you think the setup right now is?

[Amished]

I don't understand what is tying me to Spyre but whatever.

Why are you believing SpyreX's claimed actions for N1 anyways? Coug had already essentially revealed at that point (IIRC) that he tracked me; so Spyre was safe pretty much claiming anything.

[LlamaFluff]

I figured he would be telling the truth due to the JK aspect of what he claimed allowing people to know they were RBed. I could see him lying though I guess, just do not think he is due to the JK ability possibly giving him away.

Do you agree that Spy-ooba makes zero sense though?

Also you are basically process of elimination. Ooba does not work at all, SK does not work all that well, which just leaves you and Eli, and I think that Eli is town for WIFOM reasons.

Either way I am not at all interested in lynching Spys partner today. I would rather lynch the otherscum out there (which there has to be). Also I apparently my revive attempt on Nik did nothing.

[SaintKerrigan]

- I dont believe his

Methinks something's missing, here...

- Plus revisit page 15 where SpyreX votes SK with gusto when someone questions SK on his partiality to SpyreX ..

Which proves...what, exactly?

@ Llama: Right now, I'm not entirely sold on either setup. On the one hand, Spy's flip and other things make me think a 2:2:1 is what we're dealing with. However, Ythan flipping town and second-guessing make me also consider the prospect of a 3:2. We need to resolve which we think it is, because for me at least, it changes who I want lynched today.

It seems less likely to me that Elli is mafia, but I'm not ruling him town while there's still a possibility for third party (plus I'm not seeing enough to make me think town about him).

@ Amished: What happened to your suspicion of me yesterday?

[Amished]

SpyreX's flip changed everything; SK. I was going back through Spyre's ISO and Llama was not mentioned *once*, asking a question nor voicing suspicion, all game. That's why I've been trying to see what Llama has been saying to glean more from the setup since it looks increasingly more likely that he has inside information on the setup that he hasn't shared.

Without being completely sure, I don't want to put a vote down yet; but it is between ooba and Llama for me; solely because of ooba's continuous lack of catching up. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a 2-1-1-10 setup; given how weak and random the town roles have been and factoring into things that Socio would become a "town jester" essentially.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Llama (because I forgot to answer this earlier): Right now you're my top candidate for a Spyrex partner due to Spyrex's buddying with you on D3. Admittedly this was when I thought both Ythan and Spyrex were scum, but I still can't shake the feeling out of my head. Amished would take second place, mostly because I'm not seeing an Ooba/Spyrex or Elli/Spyrex pairing.

@ Amished: Spyrex actually mentioned Llama in a significant way on D3: he elected Llama.

[ooba]

ebwop: Basically I don't believe your "Oh. The code works out" explanation

Also, I've caught up a long time back Amished. I think 2:1:1 is a much better setup. I would actually put my money on SK-Spy with another third party role. Agree that eli scum looks unlikely, which reduces the second SK possibility to Llama\Amished.

SocioPath (7): Nikanor, UncertainKitten, magnus_orion, SaintKerrigan, SpyreX, Amished, StrangerCoug
Nikanor (5): UncertainKitten. StrangerCoug, LlamaFluff, SaintKerrigan, SpyreX
RedCoyote - 4 - SpyreX, LlamaFluff, Ythan, Amished

The fact that Llama avoided the SP wagon when he said everyone would get new abilities (his reasoning was that most new abilities would be crap) and was on the other two wagons leads to think he is the SK.

However the mod message suggests that somebody else is part of the game

- if anything that person could be Llama's partner. Therefore I'm happy with lynching llama today.

I'd like everyone to answer this: If you could lynch two players today, who would they be. (exactly two please). If it wasn't obvious, my answer would be SK, LLama.

[LlamaFluff]

The fact that Llama avoided the SP wagon when he said everyone would get new abilities (his reasoning was that most new abilities would be crap) and was on the other two wagons leads to think he is the SK.

You are trying to make me look like I was random wagoning here. I already said why the SP wagon was not going to be worth it (my role supported this guess, and appears to have been correct), but I was one of the biggest pushers of the Nik wagon, and started the entire RC wagon instead of lynching either SK or Ythan.

I'd like everyone to answer this: If you could lynch two players today, who would they be. (exactly two please). If it wasn't obvious, my answer would be SK, LLama.

ooba and I lean Amish, as if Eli is scum, I can see Amish work with ooba and Spy better then SK.

[SaintKerrigan]

Basically I don't believe your "Oh. The code works out" explanation

Why not? Is it that hard to believe that I can take a cipher and a statement derived from the cipher and search online until I find the encryption system which will take the cipher and produce the statement? You're spreading the butter real thin, here.

You never did elaborate on how Spyrex's vote for me on Page 15 makes us buddies. For that matter, do you have anything else that supports that notion, considering I've been anti-Spyrex for a considerable portion of this game, to the point of pushing his lynch over RedCoyote's?

As for your question, that depends. If it's only one scumteam, Llama's my top pick, followed by Amished. If it's two scumteams, you're my top pick, followed by Amished. This would make Amished my top composite pick, but I'm not positive enough of things to feel like voting him.

@ Llama: I thought you didn't think Elli was likely scum. Why is Elli scum a deciding factor for putting Amished as #2.

[Ellibereth]

We should be lynching one of Kerri or Amished today guyz. Look at the vote thing I posted a few back.
Sorry if someone said this since I came, but there was a massclaim rite? What's everyones claimed role.
And do we know what any of the dead roles are. the nonobv ones.

[LlamaFluff]

@ Llama: I thought you didn't think Elli was likely scum. Why is Elli scum a deciding factor for putting Amished as #2.

I do not think he is scum. In an ultra worse case scenario with him being scum, Amish is the best second pick which is why I said it.

[Amished]

@SK: So 1 elect, and that's it? Yeah, really huge there...

@Ooba: You and Llama (thought I made that clear). It's hard for me to really get a read on SK now since I did have a town read on him early game then with the wall o' texts that he posted with Ythan I just zoned them both out at the time.

@Elli: I saw your vote thing, I was on SP and RC (mostly due to deadline reasons, not for scum reasons), but you select me and kerri (me who wasn't on all three, and then SK who was on all three wagons but you said you thought he was town because of the Ythan thing? You're going to have to give something better than that for reasoning.

[Ellibereth]

SocioPath (7): Nikanor, UncertainKitten, magnus_orion, SaintKerrigan, SpyreX, Amished, StrangerCoug

I'm betting there was more than one scum on this. Yeah

Sorry if someone said this since I came, but there was a massclaim rite? What's everyones claimed role.
And do we know what any of the dead roles are. the nonobv ones.

still need this >.>

[Amished]

Llama is an informed townie (knows that there's no vanillas)
I'm a redirector
SK is an amnesiac; 2 abilities, don't know either of them.
Ooba/SPS is Pastor John (has an ability, but has to guess it for it to come into effect)

[ooba]

There's a reason the mod colored my statement red - I'm going to check back on all messages and see if something is apparent there ..

[Ellibereth]

Do colors mean anything?
I think Amished is scum because Kerri is town. Yeah.

Llama, why don't you want to lynch Spy's partner >.> I'm missing the reason.
Oh wait nevermind i get it crosskills etc.

[sykedoc]

VC coming soon

There have been no votes. Mass low-activity prod coming soon rather.

[LlamaFluff]

Llama, why don't you want to lynch Spy's partner >.> I'm missing the reason.
Oh wait nevermind i get it crosskills etc.

No one claiming vig means at least two anti-town killers alive, probably a second group + spys partner. If you are town that essentially made this a 8:2:2:1 game, which can be tweaked to balance. I think a lynch of spys partner would end the game for scum B.

I will probably vote ooba today. I will not vote Eli or SK, basically 100% sure that one of them is the last town.

[SaintKerrigan]

Blerp, I got a taser in the ass, courtesy of the mod.

I dunno about other players secretly involved in this game, but we have no real proof they exist, or how to kill them if they do.

Imma prolly go with Ooba, too. I still think dual scumteam is the most likely possibility, and I'm pretty sure Ooba's on the other one.

[LlamaFluff]

Vote ooba

I think this is the correct move. Will back it up tomorrow after lecture but want to get something going early enough to use my power if at all possible.

[ooba]

Bah .. Looks like I am the lynch for today ..

Vote: ooba

Spy, Llama please cross kill each other ..

[SaintKerrigan]

???

What the hell, Ooba? How is self-voting helpful to you or your faction at all?

[SaintKerrigan]

And Spy's dead, unless you have a reason to think otherwise.

[ooba]

???

What the hell, Ooba? How is self-voting helpful to you or your faction at all?

Because I know how lynches work .. and its obviously going to be me .. I even tried my last guess as a double voter since that might have swung this lynch to somebody else ..

And I obviously meant Spy's partner - you - SK ..