/invitational 10 - Robot Love (Game)

[curiouskarmadog]

Jahudo, what has sera done that has lead you to believe he is town?

[Jahudo]

Well to be more specific I don't have a desire to lynch Seraphim. His vote changes and attitude towards wagoning on day 1 didn't seem like a scum tactic to me. I also don't have a desire to lynch CKD, but I know by process of elimination that one of you is likely scum. My two strongest reads are still Almaster and charter, but I also feel they don't match as a team at all.

Almaster scumtell:
- Post 58 he says "Votes add up pretty fast. So long as nobody is stupid, we should be fine." Which sounds like he was taking a cautious approach to wagoning. This goes contradictory to his quick hammer on post 86. That's only 28 posts later. The only thing he acknowledged about Andrius was his lurking, and I don't see that as believable proof for a hammer to early. Andrius' post 76 had plenty to discuss, and the lack of examination by Almaster bothers me. Like why didn't you look at those games and see if it held up to your meta on him? Why didn't you mention the burden of proof line he gave us "I'm not scum here though", or the possible appeal to emotion with "I'm pretty sure this isn't making me look any more town, but I'm being honest so."?

charter scumtell:
- Initially withheld his opinion on my miller claim. This still doesn't sit right to me because even if he truthfully "doesn't post every minor scum tell he sees", we were still on page 2 and he hadn't posted any content. I'd think he would talk about a minor tell in that situation. Instead I think this is proof that he was avoiding contribution. charter, was there anything else at that point that you had an opinion on but didn't post?

Almaster and charter scumtell:
- Pushing the wagon without waiting for everyone to post once Andrius got to L-1. I feel it was opportunistic by the rushed nature of it. Either Almaster or charter could be scum using those threat posts "99%", "99.9%" to accelerate the wagon before the group could make an informed decision. I think either is equally likely because Seraphim was giving the go-ahead for a hammer, which Almaster did. Actually that makes me think about an Almaster-CKD scumteam since Almaster-scum would have gotten the go-ahead from Seraphim town. Which also makes a charter-Seraphim team likely. I think I'll check those connections next.

[Seraphim]

CKD: why are you so intent on lynching me when AlmasterGM did the actual hammering?

[charter]

Alright, reread and scumcatching time.

Post 31, Seraphim defends Jahudo, playing it down a bit.
42, Seraphim puts me at L-1. Not any reason other than "wagon".
Then there's Seraphim's whole playing dumb, 'Charter is at L-1?? Durrr, what do I do?' where he clearly doesn't care there could be a quickhammer for no reason on page two, but then after CKD calls him out on it, and there's no more chance of a "mistake" Seraphim unvotes. Basically, once CKD questions him, Seraphim is real quick to back down.
Seraphim then puts Andrius at L-1, says Andrius is "half assing this game".

To be honest, anyone can be Seraphim's buddy, there's not enough to analyze at all, the only lead I could find is his defense of Jahudo. Could be Alamaster because he did hammer, justified or not, that was a great opportunity he took advantage of if he was scum. Seraphim seemingly doesn't care when people go to L-1 nor does he have any reason ever for putting them there, but when CKD calls him out on it, he backs down, but when there's support, he eggs the lynch on. Extremely opportunistic, and pretty much no interest in finding scum, just voting anyone he can.

I am pretty confident CKD isn't scum, since I don't think he'd be questioning Seraphim so much, since distancing seems extremely risky in this setup. I'm not scum, so that leaves two out of Alamaster/Seraphim/Jahudo. Anyone have anything to say before I vote?

[charter]

Oh, now I see there's a page six. Seraphim's 127 is the scum bomb of this game. "Don't vote me, vote the guy that hammered!"

vote Seraphim

[Seraphim]

Whatever. Only scum is sure enough to vote right now.

Vote: charter

[curiouskarmadog]

first blood has been drawn....

"only scum is sure enough to vote right now" followed by a vote is sort of funny.

[Seraphim]

Yeah, I realized the irony like five minutes after making the post. I'm not unvoting though.

[Seraphim]

Also, CKD, you seem oddly nonchalant. If AGM or Jahudo is the scumteam, they win.

[charter]

first blood has been drawn....

"only scum is sure enough to vote right now" followed by a vote is sort of funny.

Not to mention the fact that he's totally ignoring the reasons people are suspicious of him and instead is trying to push the blame onto others.

[AlmasterGM]

Well, scum have daytalk, so if the quickhammer doesn't roll in, we know one of Seraphim or charter is scum.

I'm leaning towards Seraphim-scum much, much more than charter-scum. Seraphim's vote is contradictory, OMGUS, and the "vote for the guy who hammered" excuse is LOL. Jahudo, who I think is a likely Seraphim buddy, also happens to be presenting charter and I as scum, which just strengthens my thoughts that it's those two. However, I'm willing to wait a bit just to ensure we get the 50:50 (especially because of what I did yesterday...)

[Jahudo]

No Almaster-CKD quickhammer yet, that's good. There's been some time for one to happen, however your search history doesn't tell whether you were on at the same time last night.

From looking at charter and Seraphim interactions day 1, it looked like charter was really trying to point out that Seraphim was changing votes. But he stopped being bothered with that once he settled on Andrius apparently, because he didn't show concern for Seraphim being on the wagon. That didn't start up until day 2, so charter scum would have seen Andrius as a more viable day 1 target, and Sera as a possible return suspect day 2.

also happens to be presenting charter and I as scum

I've made it clear that you don't look like scum together. What do you think about charter and CKD as a scumteam?

[AlmasterGM]

I've made it clear that you don't look like scum together. What do you think about charter and CKD as a scumteam?

Hmm...I don't really know much about CKD, so I'm not sure how he normally plays. It's possible. His scumhunting is pretty enigmatic. He also seems to be moving along the exact same track as charter (Andrius lynch and now support for Sera lynch), but without the appearance that they are working together (not mentioning charter, distancing from the quicklynch, etc).

Not sure if that's really a tell, though. It could just be a coincidence.

[SpyreX]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 3

Charter

- 1 - Seraphim - (L-2)

Seraphim

- 1 - Charter - (L-2)

Players not voting: AlamasterGM, curiouskarmadog, Jahudo

[Seraphim]

I'm going to have a full and legit case on charter scum later today. I do have other reasons for voting him besides OMGUS, I just didn't expect him to vote me so soon.

It's clear that charter is scum, though, scum had no reason to wait to prevent a quickhammer. Hopefully my case will also find likely charter partners. Gut says CKD but I could be wrong on that count.

His scumhunting is pretty enigmatic. He also seems to be moving along the exact same track as charter (Andrius lynch and now support for Sera lynch), but without the appearance that they are working together (not mentioning charter, distancing from the quicklynch, etc).

I don't like passing off stuff like this as coincidence.

[curiouskarmadog]

hmmm, Sera and jahudo both seem to be pshing charter hard.......also, both (one with questions the other with "gut") have tried to link me to him......

I am interested in seeing Sera's case against charter...at this point, it seems pretty obvious that one or the other is scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

also interested in hearing why if sera thought charter was scum yesterday why he was so quick to lynch a townie right after I asked that we slow down a bit....he seemed willing enough to slow down then....until another wagon got started.

actually I think i have talked myself into this.

vote Seraphim.

for your bullshit yesterday....for your deflection onto Almaster today...the "scum would only vote this early" vote...I dont think you have a case against in 6 pages against charter...I have seen you play bud, and you play soooooo much better...I remember our first game together..you were deliberate, analytical, and were very town.

this is not like that play.

[Jahudo]

Vote: Seraphim

good game.

[curiouskarmadog]

ahhh shit

[curiouskarmadog]

please dont tell me you and charter?

[curiouskarmadog]

I guess it would have to be you and charter.

[curiouskarmadog]

hell thought it was you and Sera

[AlmasterGM]

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[Seraphim]

*pounds head against keyboard*

[AlmasterGM]

i need to go back to mafia kindergarten for these types of games.