NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[hiphop]

It would help if you had given us a link.
That's me confirming.

[hiphop]

vote wraith

no explanation needed

[hiphop]

Vote: Mysterio

Vote: Frank

yea.... great BANDWAGON.

Want to try again?

[hiphop]

lolwut?
Why? It's RVS!

Perfect time to start.
Haven't you ever heard the phrase, "hit the ground running"(I think that is how it goes)?
Also why not?

[hiphop]

Because I'm going to vote for
1st - My RVS vote
2nd (sometimes 3rd and 4th as well, but only sometimes) - Who I think I would get the most information from said vote
3rd (or 4th or 5th) and so on - Who I think is scum, usually my top candidate, and other times my second or third based on if I'll get more info/if I can get a better wagon on them

^And I'm not forcing you to play that way but that's how I think this game should be played.

But eh, if you want a wagon I can start one.

Unvote, Vote: HipHop

So, lets get these wheels rollin?

A wagon. Not the fourth potential wagon. Your not helping me much.

[hiphop]

@Hiphop - Iunno, I see this one going far ^__^

Hopefully not.

[hiphop]

But eh, if you want a wagon I can start one.

Unvote, Vote: HipHop

So, lets get these wheels rollin?

ok, then....I guess I need to explain something.

I wanted a bw, you seem to want to appease me. Therefore to give me what I want, you vote someone who i can vote for too. Therefore I get my bw,and you get to appease me. Right? Or am i wrong?

[hiphop]

Vote: Hip-Hop

Woops, wrong thread!

Unvote

^_^

explain

I wanted a bw, you seem to want to appease me. Therefore to give me what I want, you vote someone who i can vote for too.

You can self-vote, kupo.

That does not help my win condition.

Right? Or am i wrong?

Uhh.. why should I help you get your BW What can

you

do for me

As long as you are town, I can help you win. Or is it you are scum?

[hiphop]

Hello. No opinion at all after 7 pages of pretty much content. Might not be major to you but you should be mentioning the minor things instead of giving yourself an excuse to hide in the shadows.

No opinion after 8 pages. As far as I care I just want a bw.

vote danakillsu

This is my 2nd large normal. Even though I was scum in the last one, day 1 is the same to me. As far as I am concerned the only thing useful day one after day 1 is the bws. Hitting scum day 1 in a large normal is luck, so let's just lynch someone and get it over with.

[hiphop]

Ohai, look how that wagon grew.
OMG! HI FRANK WANNA ATTACK DANA MOAR?>???!
That's right, he is bussing so frickin bad that I feel he should just admit it at this point.
seriously, how did no one else catch that?
By the way, I call it bussing because the case sucks and he's attacking so violently so that later he can go look at me guys, I caught scum, that means I'm town.
In case people can't think for themselves

My not-so-sure but still suspicious of them being scum list

Dana

You do realize that in order for quote one to be true, dana has to be scum. Yet for some odd reason you believe that dana is less likely to be scum then Frank. Why do you jump over dana?

[hiphop]

FoS: hiphop

Blatant wagoning. I at least have reasons for joining the wagon, despite what everyone else thinks. You don't.

Really? Oh I do. In fact, you gave a reason that I may have with your first four words. A reason is a reason, is it not?

[hiphop]

unvote

can't lynch a cop. For all those who believe that the cop will be useless -In my last game there were 2 investigation roles claimed day 1, and and another one claimed day 2. It just so happens that there was a lot of pushing to lynch one of the claimed cops day 1. I was one of the guys that said no, we must give the cops a chance to use their powers before we try and lynch one of them. It just so happens that the real cop day 1 lived till endgame, and managed to never get rb. It doesn't matter how idiotic scum were in that game to let a claimed cop live without roleblocking, the fact remains that it can happen. So stop arguing over it and repeating oh the cop will be roleblocked, when you don't know that unless you are scum. Let the game happen.

8:

votes dana for wagon reasons

9: attacks Xite for voting dana despite suspecting Furcolow more

(hypocrisy, he votes for wagons for the sake of them being wagons)

10:

states that he votes for wagons because there are wagons

8. I felt that iso 2 alone deserved my vote, since he hasn't done anything to counter it IMO, but being that everybody who voted him gave that reason, why should I say it again? If a person is scummy and has a bw day 1 in this large of a game, then that lynch is fine with me.
9.Wrong. I attacked xite because he claimed that frank was bussing dana. I don't care, who you are, the only way it can be a bus is if both dana and frank are scum. Yet Frank is in the list not so sure scum. Why? His response was this

Because, as I said, Frank could be just working

really

hard to get a townie lynched, as I only see newbscum doing this,

I'm not sure if that's the case

, but Frank does seem pretty newbish

Look what I bolded. His rebuttal basically comes back says my origninal point. Frank is bussing. Then again, why use someting in a case that he is not sure of?
Either way your analysis of iso 9 is bs.
10. Again wrong. I did not state my reason. Reading like that is just overeaching.

Really? Oh I do. In fact, you gave a reason that I may have with your first four words. A reason is a reason, is it not?

If you look at the above quote, you will find that I never actually gave a reason. I did say he gave me one, but i never said it was why I voted.

will vote later after i read a few iso's

[hiphop]

Frank-no. You cannot lynch a claimed cop day 1. I really do not care how scummy the guy is, it cannot happen. Think about it, if he really is a cop you are taking away the only chance he has of using his role. i would rather let scum do that. Besides if he is scum, he isn't the only one, so attack someone other than the claimed cop.

Not only that, but i doubt you will get the support to lynch dana now that he has claimed cop.

I find the the breadcrumb un-informative. The fact is he claimed cop. That is all that matters.

[hiphop]

Here's the short version, Frankie. Only Scum want to kill a claimed cop. Change your mind, fast

Only scum want to lynch claimed cop day 1.
Fixed for you, but other than that, you are correct. And Frankie the claimed cop is not useless. My last game is proof of that.

[hiphop]

I guess you beat me to it.

[hiphop]

vote Frank

hiphop has started being useful, although his last ninja post is not good.

Just because of the cop claim, or is there more?

[hiphop]

the cop claims enough.

This, though I'm waiting on his reaction to my post before voting

porochaz- i would rather do the above, unless he has other scumtells, that have not come out.

[hiphop]

3. Asks for reasons to bandwagon Wraith in the RVS. Why does there need to be a reason?

I don't think hiphop is being random...

Here i can give you some choices
1. I am a top secret agent that is tracking him only to find him on this site
2. Been watching Stargate:Atlantis lately, and the bad guys are named Wraith.
3. I am scum who will deliberately call his teammate out.
I am sure you can figure out which one it really is being it was my first vote of the game.

Agree that hiphop has been posting more and better and now some people will help me lynch Frankscum.

Really? Seriously? Maybe you should read me again, or tell people the truth that frank has outstripped me. Why do you feel the need to make up excuses, when the truth will suffice? Anyone that will actually meta me will see that my play in this game is different than my scum game or town. it will probably stay that way until the game slows down. Truth be told I am abiding my time till then.

HipHop - I thought he felt like town. I am not the best at reading people.

Thought? What has changed your mind? Being that this is off the top of your head I can't really expect to you to answer that. Also how did you get a town read on me? Are your opinions based that much on what others say?

In your first post you quite clearly state you have no opinion (or have I misunderstood?) And yet, you claim later that you were voting hom for the same reason as everybody else. What's more, you've stated that you don't think it really matters who we lynch day 1, yet you claim later in the second post I quoted (here for the audience playing along at home) that you're going to do some iso's before voting. So clearly it does matter.

Meant reads instead of opinion. I doubt you would believe me because what has been written is written. I guess I can blame it on my neatness. And as for the iso's I found nothing that stood out, so i will follow the rest and

vote frank

At this point as long as it isn't a pr it doesn't matter.

xite-It would probably be best if you didn't try to outguess the mod with setup speculation. What exactly are you trying to prove? Why do it day 1? Do you think it is helpful when truly there can be over 1000 different ways a mod can setup all we have is a claimed cop and the knowledge of our individual roles?

I don't know why Frank isn't dead yet! I've been trying to get him lynched for forever...

Not Voting [10] (robbnva, seth, Johnny Rotten, Orochi, Sebguer, Kise, Reck, wraith, hiphop, benmage)

Does this help you understanding of why he isn't dead?

UA-The way it seems it looks like he is referring to another one, though I don't know where he spotted it.

[hiphop]

Wait a sec. Are you admitting that your play hasn't improved? If so, why haven't you been trying?

gradually. Do you think it has?

2: I would prefer Robb, or possibly Hiphop as a lynch over Frank. Most of that stems from Post #304 Where Robb responds to Wraith’s ISO post on hiphop. It seems like an attempt to discredit Wraith’s read without actually trying to discredit it, what with the whole “yeah, I kinda agree, but coming from you it all looks very OMGUS, and I don‘t really agree with you because he‘s not under the radar” deal. He flips from agreeing with Wraith here, to downplaying the value of his read, to disagreeing with his conclusion in the same three line post. It feels off, and somewhat awkward, and I’m getting a feeling that if Robb flipped scum Hiphop might too.

So let me get this straight. You would possibly want to lynch me on the fact that someone else that is not proven scum tried to defend me. Now if you said after robb flips scum then hiphop is next is fine with me. But you came right out and said you would possibly want to lynch hiphop over frank, for something someone else did. What? How does that make sense? Your read on me is totally based off what robb flips, yet you come in with the bogus line that you may want to lynch me first. Truly you are stretching. Go find a better case.

[hiphop]

Wicked's deduction that there is a SK doesn't sit well with me.

Explain

To me it is the only thing that makes sense. Even i thought he was more likely town then scum, and i should have been the one that was bias being he was voting for me. An Sk is the only logical truth to that. So what is wrong with his deduction?

Curious to note, that shanba and poro have switched places. I don't understand how shanba could be so sure yesterday i was scum, yet today he switches without a word.

many cops I have seen ask for suggestions.

Then many cops you have seen are stupid. How does "suggestions" help the town in anyway whatsoever? I will let you take one guess how scum get helped by it. Look at yesterday, wasn't there someone that said doc protect dana instead of Dp? Guess which claimed cop scum are going to kill? Use your head.

I'm not sure which would be worse- the usually terrible plan of directing the cop, or trusting your reads.

I don't think wraith is the lynch today. i have someone in mind, but it is too late for me to gather all the info, so I will have this case tomorrow.

[hiphop]

@hiphop: Something about how he just goes herp derp there must be an SK because nhammen was townish seems very odd. Plus, I'm not sure why setup speculation is helpful. It just feels too forced to be truly pro-town.

Was nham town to you?

True set-up speculation is unhelpful, but if a vig comes out and says he made that killed, I will personally vote for him.

[hiphop]

An updated look at Wraith

The original case is here.

However, I'll add that either way I think me voting Frank will end up as a lose-lose for me. I'll immediately get hit by a wall of bussing accusations, and if he flips scum I'll probably be the Day 2 lynch. If I vote for him and he flips town, I'll still probably get lynched Day 2 for suddenly flip-flopping on my stance and joining his very popular wagon. But whatever, I don't really care, because my lynch would save a PR from being mislynched. I still honestly think lynching Frank is a bad idea in the long run, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Vote: Frank

Ok you convinced me based on that quote. It clearly shows that even though he believes Frank to be town, he is still willing to vote him. This of course made me even look at the below quote differently.

Also, I think my vote on Wraith is well placed. It doesn't require a huge post to point out Wraith's laughable play Day 1 with his self-lynch proposal and his ridiculous reaction at the start of Day 2, including the self-vote. Wraith has been suspicious to me since way back in post #444. No reason to vote anyone else at this point.

i originally thought that Mysterio was redirecting, because of the fact that he said that he said wraith's play was laughable. To me it looked more like he was calling his play poor rather than scummy. And does poor play make someone scum? Then it hit me that wraiths play day 1 was more like scum attempting to take the hit, and later coming back and saying "i was willing to die would scum do that? " Not only that but the fact where he was defending a townie and saying he would rather die than an unknown alignment is in itself scummy. First off he had to know Frank wasn't scum and secondly he was willing to die when he knew he was a townie in order to save someone else of unknown alignment. Wraith wouldn't it have been better to have a no-lynch than for a townie to die? i don't think he is a townie. So once again i am joining the most popular wagon.

vote wraith

i do however think that his self-vote was not indication that he is scum, and don't think that should be used against him. Just look at UA.

Mysterio- Do you find anyone else scummy?

Xite-The reason why it was too late to post a case is because it was already 11:30 at night with work at 7.

[hiphop]

mod v/la until Tuesday night

Okay. -Mod.

[hiphop]

UA, who are your top suspects? Same question to hiphop when he gets back

kise
Rob
bunny
poro

Wraith would never have shot DP. His read of DP is so accurate in 635, he is so convinced if there is a cop, that it is dana, that I don't see a scumteam with wraith in it killing DP. Bunny follows wraith. I think I'll leave Bunny on my "Neutral" list.

This totally gave me an odd idea. A Wraith/Dana scumteam. Dana claims cop, DP claims cop, the doc will probably target one of them. Wraith "urged" the doc to protect Dana so that, in case DP was actually a cop, they could hit DP no problem.
Just a thought

You do realize that you are shrugging away fact with WiFOM. It isn't even WIFOM that you believe in, but away to avoid the fact. Couple that with his reaction from the fake DK

unvote

Wraith i really wish you would put reason in your posts. If you don't want to play then replace out, at least do us the favor and vote.

See? See? Shanba- I have a lot of respect for you as a player. PLEASE tell me you see what Wraith is saying! Refusing to claim this early on in his wagon is fine, but he's saying that he will not claim at ALL before his lynch. That's actively anti-town behavior.

Explain this to me, because the last time I lynch someone (and only time) who refused to claim, he was town. Also, how does not claiming help scum?

I'm pretty sure I like wraith's reaction to the (assumedly) fake day kill.

qft

Ugh, my reads on this game are weak because of my own lack of activity, but Wraith seems like a no brainer lynch at this point, which makes things a bit easier. Once I have more free time, I'll make a full case on some of my other scum reads.

Why hasn't this post gotten any attention? This is scumtastic.

So let me get this straight, at the time of this post (not sure now) you are the only person voting bunny, yet there are 2 people voting for Mysterio. If this quote make Mysterio scum, why not join the bw on Mysterio?
(wait scratch that, I see you joined the wagon later on)

If its real it was a total waste. Wraith has done this before as town

Prozac too.(as scum)

(added the words in the brackets) I agree
In fact what ever happened to this post

I cant really say Im unhappy with the nights results scum and 2 really annoying players. Interesting one non the less, I guess they couldn't risk him actually being a cop. Will look at nhammens posts more deeply later.

Until then

vote hiphop

I kind of expected you to continue your playstyle into day 2, but from your first post in day 2 you have been a non-entity.

Wraith sounds like a good lynch for today. His play has been everything other than pro-town, so he's most likely to be scum than anyone else at this point.

Vote: Wraith

this post by mysterio strikes me as odd.

using phrases like "sounds like a good lynch" amd "most likely to be scum" are slipups I have used in the past when I was mafia, so whenever I see them I am cautious of them

Vote mysterio

So why won't town make phrases like these?

All three of the wagons- Wraith, Robbn, and Mysterio- are decent ones. However, Wraith has done absolutely nothing protown other than MAYBE those two posts a few pages back all of the days, and has done significant work to detract from the town's effectiveness. Robbn is a poor player regardless of alignment, and that pings scumdars.

Tell me based on above how does Wraith-scum > Rob-scum?

In addition, in my last game with hiphop he did a lot of scumhunting throughout the game. Even day 1 (We actually lynched scum day 1 that game). He was very active and wasn't at all afraid about how he appeared in that game, but in this one he has provided nothing and seems to be trying to fly under the radar.

Hmm...since you actually played in the last 2 games of mine, your meta means something. However you have only played with me as town. Take a look at my only 2 games as scumhere and a little later in my first large normal and only one till now this one You will find that neither game matches this one. If you really wanted to see a game i played as scum a couple of weeks ago on another site I could link you that one too. Also do you really feel i am flying under the radar? Honestly? With so many people suspicious of me? Being that this is my 15th game, i have seen flying under the radar does not work, nor will it ever. So, do you honestly think I am?

The problem I see is X wants wraith dead and he wants people to vote him off but anyone who votes for him gets accused of being opportunistic, band wagoner, or some other scum label

if I switch my vote back to wraith, I'm scum
if I leave it where it is I'm scum
if I vote someone else I'm scum

Extremely Scummy, looks like AtE.

fos

He is worried about what other people think. What is even more scummy is the fact that he doesn't think that his original case on wraith is note-worthy to actually put his vote back on someone who he said was the most scummiest.

@hiphop: Did you ever explain why you wanted to produce an actual non-random wagon on Wraith? If not, could you do so now?

How far have you read? I have explained at least twice from page 2. Are you even going to read this? It was an RVS WAGON. There. Happy.

Gorrad 1027 What is it to you that people surmise how nham was killed?

I'm calling Porochaz as Godfather right now.

I find the above statement to be absurb,but before I vote kise for something that may appear like coming from scum, I have one question Kise do you play mafia at other sites? Then I notice your sig, so the question is answered. However just to let you know, because it appears this is what you believe, godfathers are not used in every game. Then again, with as many games as you played here, I don't know how you did not know that. Which comes back to the point of why are you making an absurb statement as saying there is a godfather?

Wraith, I'm voting you because you have not only contributed next to nothing this entire game, but your attitude has actively served to detract from actions in the town's benefit IE scumhunting.

Does anti-town make someone scum?

Yes, it was it, sorry?
also, did you read the reasoning? And did it get a lot of discussion and much better scumhunting?

Not like we were in the rvs when this happened...We had plenty of discussion going. You derailed the wagon you were on and simply confused the game with clutter. Not a town move imo.

i agree, but I don't think xite is scum. I am eager to hear what he has to say on the matter though.

True set-up speculation is unhelpful, but if a vig comes out and says he made that killed, I will personally vote for him.

Reading this again, it sounds like a mafioso attempting to coach a potential serial killer into not claiming vig.

Where is there scum motivation in that?

Forgive me for missing anything and for not editing, but I just got back, and know you guys expect something today. Either way it is better than nothing.

[hiphop]

Will get a post up tomorrow.

[hiphop]

2) Robbn is a poor player. Poor town or poor scum, either way pings people's scumdars. Wraith is not a bad player, I believe. I believe he is a remarkably scummy player.

2.Where do you get you info on wraith? Up to this post How can you justify that Wraith is not a poor player?

@Kise, yes I see what wickedest did there. He's once again avoiding the main wagons for obvious townie points and somehow thinks Wraith is town. First of all, he never explains why he thinks Wraith is town. Furthermore, his fake scumhunting seems to originate from a scum perspective. As a townie, avoiding bandwagons because it might make you look scummy shouldn't even cross your mind. You say my vote on Wraith makes me look scummy?

I don't care[/b]. I'm voting for Wraith because I think he's scum and I support his lynch, I'm not interested in gaining townie points by avoiding wagons. Which looks a lot like what wickedest is doing. He then places a vote on Flinter who has absolutely NO CHANCE of being lynched. It is essentially a throw away vote.

Not making sense. How can you say that scum avoid bw's? There are 7 people either not voting or are the only person on the bw. Are all of them scum? How can you pick one person out of the pack?

@hiphop: Do you still want me to answer that "question" of yours.... (?_?)
Also, how in the world did you expect people to know you were randomly voting Wraith at the top of the game? You carried a serious tone so there's nothing for anyone else to detect randomness behind it. People have had this argument many a time in MD, but I personally don't believe that every game has a set stage that requires everyone to be random. In your case, I think it was just convenient for you to throw down the excuse that your D1 vote was random so you could lazily avoid explaining that wack bandwagon request.

Are you serious? Fine then, I will show how stupid this response is. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 Every single post I posted from my wraith vote till you asked me why we should join his wagon.Here is wraith's only post, shall I go on?

I'm glad he likes attention, but I still dont' see wraith as scum. I'd like to see a little more action on the poro wagon, instead of just letting it die down while we all pretend to have opinions on wraith.

Poro is v/la until tomorrow and has been technically all week, I don't know about you, but I want a few more posts from him before I decide on whether to vote him or not.

good, why don't you add your case on your mystery player and what you got from the wagon yesterday to it?

Fine. The mystery player was rob. I had a gut read that Rob was scum based on the current information. However to me, I found nothing in his posts that would indicate to me that he was the best candinate for scum, so i dropped it. I have done it before. Just ask Wicked. In the last game we played i said i was going to put a case on him, this was based off the current day, but after reading his iso, I found that he was indeed town.

And as for the bw - Is it possible to you that sometimes people vote others because the bw's need support? Well that is what it was. The day was going to fast for me, to go find someone else, especially since it would take 13 to lynch. I expediated that process. If you find me scum for that, then vote me. It makes no difference to me.

Do you want him at LyLo? Because I sure as hell don't.

why are you talking about lylo? Things can happen from now till then. Or is it that you are expecting to be in lylo? Because every scum that lives to endgame goes through lylo or mylo.

If kise had a vote on him I would join them, however

vote Mysteria

[hiphop]

A bad player tries and fails. He's not trying either way. Therefore, he's not bad. He's just scum.

How about now?

I am not joining bandwagons just to join them. The only time I took my vote of wraith is when you ran your scummy gambit and

once I learned it was fake I went back.

That is not scummy that is sticking with my convictions.

Wrong. You waited a little bit, because you had a problem with how people thought about you. A big scum point, because it was obvious that you believed your original reason was not good enough for you to put you vote back on him. Also I willing to bet that if you were the only person voting wraith's wagon, you would indeed switch your vote for some made up reason to some LARGER wagon. Tell me I am wrong.

UA and MME probably need to get their vote somewhere more useful. Actually, I still don't really know who UA thinks is scum - he's said it's Jd/his replacement but he hasn't followed that up with a vote.

I agree with 5 days left, if Prozac, wicked, and xite don't think they can get 10 more votes, they too should switch to one of the 3 multi-vote wagons.

mod prod inactives please

[hiphop]

What I'm going to say is this. I don't think Wraith is scum. But if it gets down to the deadline and no one else is convinced of anyone otherwise, I would rather lynch him to get information out of it, than not.

Why not Mysterio?

[hiphop]

What I'm going to say is this. I don't think Wraith is scum. But if it gets down to the deadline and no one else is convinced of anyone otherwise, I would rather lynch him to get information out of it, than not.

Why not Mysterio?

Simple numbers.

Nevermind. I thought you were voting wraith.

[hiphop]

vote porochaz

Xite is the third-most obvtown player in this game, but lost townpoints in everyone's eyes from the fake daykill. I've stated this before: SCUM HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO FAKE HAMMER/DAYKILL SOMEONE THEY ARE ALREADY ABOUT TO LYNCH,

AND DERAILING AN INEVTIABLE LYNCH OF A SCUMBUDDY IS AN INCREDIBLY STUPID THING FOR SCUM TO DO AS IT DRAWS SEVERE AMOUNTS OF ATTENTION ONTO THEM.

The "scumminess" of Xite revolves around this, but Xite, after Shanba and Wicked, is the ONLY townie to bother taking off tunnel vision goggles and scumhunt other people than the most popular wagon.

i knew there was a reason why he was town. Couldn't put my finger on it. But yeah, scum derail a wagon. Not happening. Especially rob when you believe that xite is more scum than wraith. In my current readings both are town. The only way xite is scum is if wraith is scum too. So if anything Rob, Wraith should be more likely scum than xite. So why are you not attacking wraith instead of xite?

Almost nobody doubted the cop claim Day 1. Tell me: is it smart to kill the claimed cop who has meta-evidence of town-fakeclaiming cop multiple times to draw a nightkill, but leave the other claimed cop free to investigate someone? Plus, almost EVERYONE doubted DP's counterclaim. He was killed to absolutely ensure that his counterclaim could not be called in to question dana's claim Day 2.

want to see my last game? Cop claimed day 1. Was never killed or rb'd(scum did have one of these) for three straight nights. And by that time we won. So explain to me how this game is different.

Currently I am with xite, dana should not be lynched today. Though the investigation of xite??? Why not a lurker, and a replacee? They have a better chance of being scum.

[hiphop]

I am sure dana is on his mafia qt right now saying FUCK I didn't know the roleblocker died, what do we do now guys.

.

Ok did not see this.

unvote
vote robbnva

Is it just me or does dana and robb seem to go buddy-buddy? And it isn't one-way, but both.

[hiphop]

Wait, I take that back. Bunny hammered Mysterio an hour after I put him at L-2. Super duper mega scum

So if you have someone this scummy, why don't you vote?

I don't like the whole WIFOM by dana and sadly wraith is still making the most sense out of the 2 of them

vote dana

Wait a minute, what happened to me?

You vote me, you gave reasons, yet you switch back before I even post? And then you make it seem between dana and wraith yet your vote was on me. What? My vote remains. And I guess I was mistaken about the buddying thing. I don't know what I was thinking.

I think Dana is a terribad Cop. I think Scum are counting on him being a terribad player, and using their powers on other, better targets, while they wait for his crappy play to get him killed. I'm willing to give Dana one more night before putting him on the chopping block

Can somebody actually listen to this? Guys think about it. How many times does the cop get lynched because of wifom? Like I said in the last game the cop went through three nights in a mini, and not once getting rb'd, and then gave town the win. Yet all three days town had a wagon on him. See the connections? Why should scum nk when they can lynch him? Question- If you were scum, and you had someone that was very much lynchable, would you nk him if he was cop? And the fact that people made it known they wanted him lynched made it that more likely. And you guys said yourself that if he were rb'd, you would be more likely to believe his claim, so why should scum rb him, and have people believe, when they can kill the person he got an innocent on?

What is wrong with a cop, doc in a bam large game? The fact that he claimed cop, and nobody cc, made is claim that more believable to me.

Also is Dana the last scum? Why take the chance of lynching a claimed cop, when there are other scum that are not as much of a threat to town's chances if he isn't scum. Lynch the other scum first, and if push comes to shove, then come back and lynch dana. At least do the town the favor of letting dana get as many investigations in as possible.

And finally now that the rb is dead, scum can't rb him, so if he is scum he can't claim so.