Mini 245 - Stick Figures Mafia - Game Over!

[Narninian]

sorry I was disccssing this with my assistant and he got a little over eager.. I meant to post that.

[Narninian]

Technically I never voted... soo OMGUS

VOTE: Babyjesus

you shouldnt have gotten more than 2 messages, and even that wasnt necessary to win my mish-mash task.

[Narninian]

Bruno's not playing --

[Narninian]

maybe a mod should delete that post?

[Narninian]

so explain to me the 4 votes on me again?

[Narninian]

good idea.

[Narninian]

you can almost always come up with *some* reason.. and it doesnt have to result in a role claim. The bandwagonee should have a chance to defend themselves.

[Narninian]

eh, better to lynch me, than to lynch a power role.

I'm just a townie.

[Narninian]

Karo, as english is not my first language I may have used wrong words - but I just thought that Narninians post were I little short; like he could not find anything to defend himself with; sorry again if I have used words that did not mean this.

well -- its kinda hard to "defend" myself, when the reason for my bandwagon is 'its day 1' and nothing substancial -- I did ask for a reason beyond its Day 1, but wasnt provided with one.

[Narninian]

"bar" as in "except"

Though I understand Narn's plight, his last post contained nothing. I'm content with my vote.

Cam

I'm not sure exactly what I'm supposed to be doing here. Nobody pointed out anything that I've done scummy, apart from apparently having my posts contain nothing. The only scummy behavior I see is people continuing to stay on my random bandwagon, and they are way too many people doing that to point that out as 'evidence' of other scum.

I also would like to point that babyjesus certainly can not make up his mind, and seemingly without reason. I can understand his first goal is to start a bandwagon without a good reason on day 1, cuz in his mind he believes the first one *cant* have a reason, but after I claimed he unvoted me ---- waited and saw that my bandwagon still had support, and then revoted me -- Don't you find that suspicious?

Unvote

Vote: Babyjesus

FOS: Mathcam, Dragon Phoenix for being non-chalant about lynching a townie day 1

[Narninian]

BJ's jumping off narninian seems a bit odd - townie claim does not decrease the chance someone is scum. Unless he found someone else to be scummier, why change his vote? I'd like to hear why you're voting mathcam now, BJ.

unvote, vote BabyJesus

Do you even read what I quoted when I voted? The mathcam vote was clearly a vote directed at mathcam not liking the tea and crimpets comments.

Oops, read a bit fast there, missed the quote. That said, it does seem a rather arbitrary reason to switch away. Narn has testified he is a plain townie, and you switch to an unknown. The chances of hitting scum are the same, but the chances of hitting a power role are greatly increased. At this stage in the game we should be beyond random voting, don't you think? Changing your vote for such an arbitrary reason at this point seems counterproductive to me.

Did you also skip over the fact that I didn't leave the vote off for long?

But, perhaps coincedentally, you kept it off just long enouogh to find out there was still support for my bandwagon.

[Narninian]

I do think that the OMGUS bandwagon on BabyJesus is odd, however. I really don't find what he is doing scummy either.

The events as I see it..

I mistaken post as bruno: Good enough a reason for the first 'random' bandwagon against me. Having nothing to respond to, I question the bandwagon and it continues because I have no good response to it. I am eventually pushed to claim, because noone feels like looking for a non-random bandwagon ---

I claim townie.
Immediatly BJ removes his votes for me. Citing a silly reason to vote for Mathcam instead.

Dragon and Phoenix and Mathcam express that they are glad they are voting for me since I'm either scum (because I didnt reponsd to the bandwagon against me... which I'm still looking for the reasoning behind) or Im 'just' a townie.

B.J. revotes me.

It's not simply an OMGUS bandwagon. The Sequence makes it look like BJ decided to revote me when it looked like there was still suppport on my bandwagon. His unvoting earlier may have been for a silly reason, but it gave him an out if he decided to pursue somebody else later.

[Narninian]

It also makes it so you dont have to adjust your stategy if playing as mafia. Its to your advantage to get a townie lynched, if mafia. It prevents a fellow mafia member from being run up, and having to do a false claim, or exposing partners trying to defend them.

You honestly think a random day 1 bandwagon, leading to a townie claim, and then lynch of that person is the best idea? I've never been in a mini where the Day 1 bandwagon was 'random' there is usually *Some* reason, and often they are not forced to claim if they succesfully defend the reason. I had no such option, and if I was a power role, that would be detrimental.

[Narninian]

thats probably a good reason to only bandwagon with.... *reasons*...

[Narninian]

so let me get this straight...

bandwagon me with no reason.
Keep the bandwagon on me because I dont defend it ---
I claim townie.... keep the bandwagon on me..
I cant point out anybody else as 'scummy' people its perfectly sane to lynch a townie....


are you guys just gonna give up on finding scum today? lazy bums

[Narninian]

you're right --- no use looking for somebody else....


you have the *solid* evidence of my townie claim.

[Narninian]

I've been put into an impossible situation.
Many here believe that they should *RANDOMLY* bandwagon somebody.. which I disagree with, there is almost always SOME reason you can use.. And play the 'claiming' game as Dragon Phoenix put it. I cant defend against this, as nobody had a reason besides ' well we have to bandwagon somebody' and thats the flaw without an utterly random bandwagon. Now, mathcam has a 'hunch' which is somewhat better than being completely random, but still leaves me in a bad position. The only real events I've seen this game is people bandwagoning me, and voting for the lurker. I cant really go after people bandwagoning me (although Im sure there is scum in there SOMEWHERE), because everyone seems to agree that we NEED a bandwagon.

One thing that troubles me, Dragon Phoenix seemed to be all for random bandwagoning me, and forcing me to claim. I've played with him before where he was the first bandwagon on Day 1 --- he refused to claim, so obviously he feels that the 'best way to go' on Day 1 should change on a whim. Now he is saying that we shouldnt bandwagon anybody else. Yeah, I'm JUST a townie, but we should really go SCUM hunting (and dont say you dont know Im not scum, well sure.. I dont know anybody isnt scum, so that logic isnt a good reason to lynch somebody).

If I sound like Im ranting, its because I've been put into an impossible situation -- if I didnt claim the bandwagon would stay, I claimed--- so the bandwagon stayed. If I go after somebody ON my bandwagon you'll just shoot me down. I may not be giving a pro-town vibe, but I am trying to prevent the lynching of a pro-town member (myself), I will search to see if there is any scum tells hidden in the illogical 'lynch the first townie we can find' mob of posts.

[Narninian]

I can assure that I am on the town's side. I'm not going to claim on day one, as that is against my philosophy of how the game should be played (the regulars here can confirm that).

-South Park Mafia

[Narninian]

I'd like to hear the replacement's thoughts on the game so far..

[Narninian]

I dont get the apathy on the town's part in lynching me.

[Narninian]

Do you wanna explain your shift in Day 1 strategy Dragon Phoenix?

Refusing to claim when being the first bandwagon... but happily joining a day 1 bandwagon and forcing a claim? Then being happy lynching the claimed townie?

[Narninian]

so.... anything I can do to convince you otherwise?

[Narninian]

hrmm.. I'm not usually a fan on no-lynch, except in special circumstances, (Everyone is claimed, we can force the hand torwards town, etc...)

Obviously I would rather it be no lynch, then lynch Narninian, but I dont think I'll vote that because its a bad day in general on day 1.

[Narninian]

We usually lynch based on stuff besides a forced role claim after a random bandwagon. The random bandwagon's purpose is to see how players 'react' to the bandwagon, and not to kill the first person that we come across.

[Narninian]

We usually lynch based on stuff besides a forced role claim after a random bandwagon. The random bandwagon's purpose is to see how players 'react' to the bandwagon, and not to kill the first person that we come across.

if your best guess based on this "random bandwagon" is a vote for me, then its clear you're unable to get much info out of it anyway, so we may as well finish you off....

Yes, I dont have much info -- people aren't looking beyond my bandwagon, and thats a BAD thing. We aren't going to make any progress in the game by lynching me right now --- as I was the *first* bandwagon, and you dont have a

good

reason to lynch me, other than that my forced claim was not that of a doc (which I wouldnt claim even if I was doc) or cop. [/i]

[Narninian]

I really am not feeling this Narn wagon.

Amen! And lurking is not acceptable. Especially it seems like lurker scum in this game have a perfect oppurtunity to just wait and see my lynched.

[Narninian]

Better than just standing here doing nothing

[Narninian]

I'd rather lynch changeling bob, than myself, but the only reason I'd be doing so would be so I dont die. Im looking for a better reason to vote somebody right now.

[Narninian]

anyways.

UNvote: Babyjesus

I dont think he's scum.

[Narninian]

yeah, I think I jumped the gun earlier finding B.J. suspicious. Naturally I have a slanted view on things because I know Im innocent. I can understand he doesnt know this. I would still disagree with my bandwagon, however, even if I wasnt the one on it.

[Narninian]

I think forcing a roleclaim on a random bandwagon is wrong.
and I think lynching the first claimed townie is wrong.

[Narninian]

I think bandwagoning people with no reason, and making decisions based solely on what is claimed is poor gameplay.

Do you really want to play the same way a simple computer program would?

[Narninian]

when I was said the second quote I was very tired at the time, so I didnt have the energy to fight

[Narninian]

umm.. pretty much every single game I've played in and read has used more logic for a bandwagon other than the initial random bandwagon to force a claim. I'm making tons of noise, because the only thing that is happening is people want to lynch me. What do you expect me to do -- simply decide to let myself get lynched because you guys dont wanna bother looking beyond a townie role?

[Narninian]

so I should just shutup and let myself get lynched? its not like Im posting that frequently, its just nobody else is..

[Narninian]

how many is that?

Vote: Tyfo

[Narninian]

another post non-gameplay related to say that you're not gonna have a problem keeping up with the game.... and you're 1 from being lynched. Say SOMETHING about the game, even if its to say 'I refuse to claim for XXX reason'. We're waiting to hear from ya.

[Narninian]

Well, it looks like the bandwagon-claim-bandwagon-claim and so on tactics strike gold again.

Agreed.

Unvote, Vote: Narninian

not my fault..

[Narninian]

unvote: tyfo

obviously we dont want to lynch a doc on day 1 without a counterclaim..

[Narninian]

fantastic..

<-- worst player evar.