Mini 1036 - DEFCON Mafia - Over

[Andrius]

Hey guys.
So I can't beat DEFCON in a 1 v. 1 against the computer. >_> lol

I was about to vote then realized votes don't count at DEFCON 5.

Angry Face: SocioPath

1) Won AGM's last modded game
2) Was in AGM's last game
3) Went to Scumstorm

[Andrius]

@ AV: We don't pick until DEFCON 4.

Hey Faraday and SpyreX, the only people I've played with before.

[Andrius]

ITT we learn Hinduragi is a creeper.
[off-topic]Also, Moderator_AGM sounds waaay different from Player_AGM. Its kinda' weird. >_>[/off-topic]

I'm going to go ahead and call scum in Elscouta/Enigma, for the DK/JK thing. /loljknotreallyidk

[Andrius]

SCREW YOOOOU.
I WAS ANTICIPATING YOU SHOWING UP.
NOT FOR YOU.
I COULDNT CARE LESS ABOUT YOOOOOU.

BUT YOU HAVE WAR ON TERROR.
AND IVE BEEN WANTING TO PLAY THAT GAME FOR AAAAAAAGES.
AND YOU RUINED THAT FOR ME.

I CANT EVEN BUY IT NOW BECAUSE A NEWER EDITION IS COMING OUT AND I NEED TO WAIT FOR THAAAT.

WHAT IS THIS SOMEONE WANTED TO SEE ME BESIDES REAPERCHARLIE THE BLOODY TRAITOR? YOU SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME AND I WOULD HAVE TRIED HARDER TO ESCAPE FROM MY MORMON RELATIVES.
But seriously. Its a great game and I'd love to have people to play it with sometime... whereabouts do you live? I live in WA.

Hi Zhero.

[Andrius]

And we can totally take this to PMs, Socio, if you'd rather it that way.

[Andrius]

FINE SOCIO. DISREGARD THE FACT THAT I'M A COOL PERSON. WHATEVER.

THAT MEANS OREGON. :/

V/LA Saturday/Sunday.

So if my math is right, I should (sadly) miss the rest of DEFCON 5.

(Noted. --AGM)

[Andrius]

Ok, I'm back from V/LA.

As for the powers type dealio, I'm just going to pick a role that I like, and one that I'm relatively good at. (Aka, not Cop. )
I just want to make sure of something first:

Only one instance of each activated and passive abilities exists. If multiple players desire the same ability, a randomization system will be used to distribute it. It is highly recommended that you send a list of multiple choices ranked by preference in case you do not receive your first choice. If you do not send me a preference by the time DEFCON 3 begins (either because you sent me nothing OR you sent only a single activated ability choice and you did not win it), a missile silo will in nuclear launch mode will automatically be deployed for you.

This means there will only be one of that power yes? Can the power be used more than once though? (The first time I read this I thought it was a one-shot ability; just clarifying things.)

(Any number of players may deploy a missile silo. Only ONE player can possess each particular activated or passive ability. The abilities themselves have unlimited shots, unless explicitly stated otherwise. --AGM)

[Andrius]

Ok, thanks AGM.
But we can't have a missle silo AND another ability, yes?

(Correct. --AGM)

[Andrius]

Ugh. I have to submit choices don't I?

No one pick the NK-Immune Miller Vig. I got dibs.

[Andrius]

Percy/SpyreX/Faraday scumteam?
That was easy.

And I sent in my thing.

[Andrius]

AGM: If a player dies (which will probably wind up happening), will their flip contain which ability they had?

I figured this would be worth asking.

(See rule #13 - This is a full reveal game. Upon death, that player’s alignment and any abilities they had will be flipped. --AGM)

[Andrius]

LET'S GET THIS GAME A-ROLLIN'!

VOTE: ELSCOUTA

for using the Bush Doctrine in his first post. (If you don't know, that's all about Pre-Emptive strikes.) And here's to hoping he'll get more active before he starts nuking people.

Also, I got the power I wanted, so.

[Andrius]

No submarine here.

[Andrius]

We should probably be a bit more careful with claiming roles/hinting at them, since if someone claims defensive troops the scum can narrow down what abilities they have, since there are only 4 abilities in the defensive area.

[Andrius]

DONT SAY IF YOU TRIED FOR THE SUB OR NOT. ONLY SAY IF YOU HAVE IT OR NOT.
BY SAYING YOU TRIED/ DIDNT TRY THE SCUM WILL KNOW IF YOU HAVE OFFENSIVE/DEFENSIVE TROOPS AND THE ROLES YOU COULD HAVE DUE TO THAT.

Just wanted to make that clear. lol

[Andrius]

Oh. I was convinced you were only allowed to deploy one type of troops, and then pick an ability from there, not pick abilities from the general pool and get assigned the corresponding troops.

@ Elscouta: I didn't know that. lol I just picked the troop type and picked within the category.

[Andrius]

No matter. What's done is done. I'll shut up now because I've already said alot..

[Andrius]

I'm pretty sure it is possible to get the sub as your second choice... if no one actually bid for it the first round.

[Andrius]

I'd gladly welcome someone dropping a nuke on Faraday.

We've still got to drop 2 DEFCONs to get to the Nuke-dropping, IIRC.
We either wait 2 weeks to hit DEFCON 2, or we lynch someone to drop to DEFCON 2.

[Andrius]

I'd gladly welcome someone dropping a nuke on Faraday.

Are you trying to encourage a scumbuddy to nuke me or some idiot town here?

And I said Andrius was non scum because...Andrius is non scum obviously! Do you mean why is he non scum? Well I think that's rather obvious - his lack of awareness regarding the choices makes him town, as it reads legit. Scum would be aware they could pick from different groupings.

Sooo... You're saying I've been too dumb to be scum?
Thanks Faraday.
And man, I just saw this Eavesdropper-dealio power in the Passive Powers section that would have been cool to have.

[Andrius]

Ok, Hinduragi's last two posts are curious.
If Faraday flips scum Hinduragi is #1 scumbuddy.
Nuke Faraday now?

[Andrius]

@Andrius: You just discovered eavesdropper? As in, you read the ability the day after your preferences were due?

I was under the impression that I could only pick from Missile Silo/Offensive/Defensive, so I read down the list and saw what I wanted. I didn't give eavesdropper much though (as my prefered role took preference), but it seems as though it would be very useful to have in town hands now... but still; I'm happy with what I have.

So it looks like we have done good, we have 2 confirmed townies now, based on the fact that they failed to read the opening posts properly.

I find this statement highly questionble. While I have no qualms about being called pro-town, your statement rubs me the wrong way. Like it isn't sincere. Gut perhaps...

[Andrius]

Goddammit I crumb without even realizing it. Just like HP Mafia. :igemou:
NO MORE TALKING ABOUT IT. BACK ON TASK.

Also, I definitely think Eavesdropper is useful, especially late-game/DEFCON 1. Unless the scum are 100% prepared for EVERYTHING that happens then there's no way they'll go through wihtout DayTalk.

[Andrius]

Just realised. Andrius could be feigning ignorance to the rules. He seems to understand the DEFCON issue in that first post, but then seems to misunderstand it in the second. Something to bare in mind about the whole "ability picking" issue. Faraday, what do you make of that, seeing as Andrius' ignorance of the rules was your main reason for finding him townie?

I know about the general DEFCON play because I own the Demo. No nukes before DEFCON 1.
So I have background info. But when it comes to the mechanics of this mafia game I'm not so knowledgeable.
The second bit you quoted was a joke, since (obv) we can't nuke him until DEFCON 1 anyway.

That and his continuous breadcrumbing (bread-crumbing is an effort, not a habit) really sends off bad vibes to me. There is no need to hint and hint what your role is.

I don't actually mean to crumb half the time I do. See Harry Potter Mafia for fail-crumbing.
AND WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS ANYMORE. SSHH.

^What do other people think? (Yer I know my proof reading sucks but you get the jist)

This is exactly why I dislike people calling someone else confirmed town. It is just so easy to fake.

I don't like it either, but his interactions with me being stupid (aka, crumbing like woops) aren't exactly enough to drive a wagon on.

[Andrius]

Vote: Enigma

Welcome to the Jungle.

And watch out people. The Stealth Bomber comes out in DEFCON 2.

I'll reread the thread soonish. If it doesn't happen between classes today it will be tomorrow.

[Andrius]

Enigma, what's your read on the following people:

Sociopath
SpyreX
Percy

[Andrius]

15) Flavor is written for your enjoyment only and has absolutely no relation on in-game alignment. Analyze it at your own risk.

Goddammit. XD

[Andrius]

That's a nice surprise change in meta. Why weren't your trying to scum hunt/vote yesterday? You conveniently voted in RVS and didn't move your vote. Did your scum buddies tell you to pick up your game over night?
Your ISO is mainly fluff, you really don't attack anyone or pursue any leads and contains alot of game theory talk.
What all of a sudden has made you suspicious of me? And why that list of people in particular?
^Answer my questions and I'll answer yours.

Role related information. *whistles*
If it hasn't been clear yet, I have an active ability, so.
That's all you need to know for now.

[Andrius]

Did you seriously just PR claim when we are at the beginning of Day 2? Wtf, Andrius?

Uhhh, no I didn't. I HAVE A BRAIN.
There are alot of active abilities, and scum has to do a little guess work.

So yeah. Yesterday I was lazy. I coasted, I admit it. (Mainly due to higher-priority games wherein we tried to lynch Satan, etc.)
I don't have scumbuddies. The ISO is coming tonight/tomorrow, I promise. <3

I HAS POWERFUL WIZARD POWERS.

[Andrius]

Ok, follow me with this:

Vote: Andrius

Andrius has 1.) voted for Enigma and 2.) claimed role related information off an active ability.

Fighter: The fast and lightweight fighter is easily able to penetrate enemy territory, making it the perfect craft for reconnaissance {I will reveal to you whether target player has deployed a missile silo, offensive troops, or defensive troops}.

Espionage: Knowing is half the battle, and when a nation needs to know, it relies on its clandestine organizations like the CIA, MI6, or the KGB to get the job done. {Choose a faction you are not aligned with. I will reveal to you whether target player is aligned with that faction or not.}

Special Ops Strike: In order to carry out a successful nuclear strike, it is crucial to ensure the missile will not be deflected and the enemy left unscathed and free to retaliate. Special infiltration teams are secretly positioned in every enemy nation, read to make sure this happens when the brass gives the word. {If target player is currently deploying a missile silo in anti-ballistic missile mode, destroy it. If that player is not, I will reveal to them that you targeted them with this ability.}

Aircraft Carrier: The monstrous aircraft carrier is capable of parking itself just outside territorial waters, allowing it to shoot down enemy troops or ICBMs before they leave enemy territory and become a threat to the globe. {Choose one: All abilities activated by target player fail; OR during the following day, prevent all nuclear launches made by target player.}

Battleship: Mobile, hidden in the wide open sea away from population centers, capable of withstanding even the most directed air strikes, and armed with an array of incredibly powerful weapons, a battleship is one of the safer places on the planet {If a player would be eliminated because of a single non-nuclear activated ability, that player survives instead}.

MARKED OUT DUE TO ELSCOUTA BEING DEAD.

Radar: The night may be dark, but your radar screen is neon green. And it’s hard to miss stuff flashing in neon green. {I will inform you of who target player targets, if anyone. Note: The Stealth Bomber is a shared activated ability and cannot be detected.}

Fighter wouldn't give "role related" information leading to scum. (I can see AN argument for this but we'll see how it plays out).

Espionage would give said information. We'll get to this in a minute.

Special ops strike sure as hell wouldn't.

Aircraft carrier would be under the guise of "I blocked your business yo".

Battleship is dead.

Radar would be "he targeted X thus Y" but we've seen no kills and any other business doesn't make sense.

So, what we're left with is: Andrius claimed cop with a guilty.

Which, is a double plus awesome because 1.) he didn't just claim it (which would be bad BUT) and 2.) he backed away from any claim at all in his next post.

Add to that more than a liberal dash of ignoring this game after I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT HE NEEDED TO CLARIFY and you get a pretty solid case of:

1.) The scum did NOT get Espionage. This is a 1/1 trying to draw a cop out AND/OR get a mislynch today.

However, no. This happens.

Let's do this my way:
There are 6 abilities. I have one. That makes 5. Battleship is gone. That makes 4. I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING WHEN I DO IT. I'M NOT A COMPLETE DUMBASS LIKE YOU GUYS ASSUME I AM. Some of you have played/watched me play before, and I am not useless/stupid.

OH WAIT.

Disclaimer: I pursued Enigma out of gut and me not seeing Rule #15. So yeah.

Unvote

@ Enigma: If I were the special ops team, you'd be notified that your silo was destroyed OR that I targeted you. Now, go to your inbox, read PMs from AGM, and grow a brain.

@ SpyreX: Fighter CAN give scum-outing-ness. Its an anti-fakeclaim/lying measure. Town shouldn't lie. Therefore, it can only find scum.
I did NOT claim Cop with a guilty.

That's it. If you guys want me to claim, that's cool. If not, let's move on.

Back to rereading...

[Andrius]

Mr softclaimer claim FOR REAL and explain IN DETAIL how you have role related information which NOW you're saying is that Enigma lied about what he picked.

I never said Enigma lied.
You're trying to get me to confirm whether I have the Fighter now.
You might as well as a fullclaim of me, since I'm at L-5.

Rereading...

[Andrius]

Oh. You do want me to claim.
It'll take more than you though, especially since you're not looking to good on the reread.

[Andrius]

"Wroth"?

[Andrius]

That's a nice surprise change in meta. AAA Why weren't your trying to scum hunt/vote yesterday? BBB You conveniently voted in RVS and didn't move your vote. Did your scum buddies tell you to pick up your game over night?
CCC Your ISO is mainly fluff, you really don't attack anyone or pursue any leads and contains alot of game theory talk.
DDD What all of a sudden has made you suspicious of me? EEE And why that list of people in particular?
^Answer my questions and I'll answer yours.

AAA: I was coasting. I'm lazy. I apologize to everyone who's playing this game because they're really into it. I will do better.
BBB: Yeah, I did.
a) I don't have scumbuddies.
b) I put it there in RVS for reasons stated when I voted. I didn't move it because it was good where it was. And I was coasting.
CCC: That's because I'm lazy, and you're letting me get away with coasting. I will repent.
DDD: Gut. And some more stuff. I'm being vague on purpose.
EEE: Because I want you to respond.

Meanwhile town will still be the uninformed. And even then they can make a very accurate guess as to what you have based on your playstyle today.

You really need to stop for a minute and get a grasp on the mechanics of this game and think about all the possibilities that can occur.

What you are implying is that you used an active ability (or special ops if I have it)?
1. The doc in this game is dead.
2. You are claiming espionage on day 1 when the above is true?
3. The rest don't confirm anything.

Geee, thanks for breadcrumbing more than you already have idiot.

I'm not claiming Cop with a guilty. So stop pretending I was.
I realize that the Doc is dead. And if I take a NK for the team, I take a NK for the team.

[Andrius]

BOO-YAH BITCHES.

[Andrius]

ME TOO.
WHY DID YOU DO IT?

[Andrius]

It should be like

Last Man Standing

where nuked/injured people would just die.
So nuking me should still work.

[Andrius]

VV lurked through the night. I submitted the NP action without him. :/

So fine.
Nuke me and let's lynch Faraday.

[Andrius]

Darth Fate and Darth Andrius win a game? Together? WHOA.

I have no problem dying to secure the win.

COME OUT ALL YOU DEAD PPLS. ESPECIALLY AGM.

[Andrius]

Though I did consider voting you, Fate, as soon as you replaced in.

[Andrius]

YEAH. FIRST TOWN WIN SINCE

SOMEONE GOT MOD-REPLACED OUT OF GO PLAY IN TRAFFIC

OH STOP. <3's for Fate, unless you're lying. Can't wait to play with you at ScumStorm, assuming we're both there.

[Andrius]

Well get over here. XD
Gotta' meet my designated-Mason brother.

Socio, Fate, NS, RC, AND VAS?!? Perfect. <3

[Andrius]

I know...

What are your chances of getting to Australia? There's a chance I might go for a week or so in the summer...

[Andrius]

ITS BEEN 24 HOURS BABY.

I'm still not lifting a finger until I get confirmation from AGMod about the mechanics.

No way I'm letting you slip through with some crazy scheme Andrius....

YOU THINK YOU CAN PULL ONE ON

DARTHFATE???!

(we're only supposed use those Darth titles when we're scum Andrius)

I SAW THIS. I SAW THIS AND WAS LIKE T_T TOO LATE.

GODDAMMIT. SORRY FARADAY. <3? I SHOULDA VOTED HIM OUT OF SPITE.

THANKS FOR THE BADASS GAME, AGM, EVEN THOUGH I WAS THE GROUP DUMBASS. (READ THE LYNCH FLAVOR FOR D1/D2) *SIGH*

<3 BRO-SUDEVA.

[Andrius]

Fuck. I didn't see that coming.

Sorry Town. >.<

From now on, I'll take SaintKerrigan's LyLo tips to heart: In a 3P LyLo, the Townier person is the last scum.

You sure its not Ythill's tip? That's what I thought. :S

[Andrius]

Also, I could go to Australia, but I'm still a dependent. It's unlikely...but it's likelier since I have relatives there and all. xD.

When do you plan to go? Which part?

(Yeah, I'm 21 but our culture is way different. >.>.)

We'll see. My parents said they'd pay for the flight if I could stay with a friend I know there.
Its a wacked-out possibility, but it'd be amazing it if happened.