VP Baltar Post 23 wrote:Hey Sottyrulez, who will be posting predominately for you guys or will it be even? Are you going to sign your posts or no?
I will imagine the posting will be even between myself and Zach. We're a hive mind when we hydra, keeping things as simple as possible. If we both have different opinions we'll talk it over before coming up with a direction to go in thread. By the time that happens it tends not to be important who makes the actual post.
We can sign the posts if that's what you all want.
Signing posts isn't absolutely necessary. I always forget to do it when I hydra until approximately 0.000001 seconds after I hit the submit button. I was just curious.
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@Equinox - how would you self describe your playstyle? If you could daykill anyone from the start of this game with no repercussions, who would it be? Do you prefer chocolate or vanilla ice cream?
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SaintKerrigan wrote:@ NPAU: My scumbuddy and I tried to nightkill you on N0 and it didn't go through, so now we're trying to lynch you. Clear things up for ya?
I'm gonna call you on this one.
Unvote: sottyrulez
Vote: St. Kerrigan
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Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.
SaintKerrigan wrote:@ NPAU: My scumbuddy and I tried to nightkill you on N0 and it didn't go through, so now we're trying to lynch you. Clear things up for ya?
SaintKerrigan wrote:@ NPAU: My scumbuddy and I tried to nightkill you on N0 and it didn't go through, so now we're trying to lynch you. Clear things up for ya?
I'm gonna call you on this one.
Unvote: sottyrulez
Vote: St. Kerrigan
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You think I'm telling the truth?
Somewhat. I think you would be more likely to make this kind of joke as scum.
It wasn't that funny on Page 1 when you just said you had an obviously nonexistent kill, but bringing a scum identity into it changes the flavor a bit.
Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.
Vi wrote:Somewhat. I think you would be more likely to make this kind of joke as scum.
Explain why I would be more likely to make this joke as scum than as town.
Certainly, albeit not for your benefit.
The gist of it is the WIFOM of "would I really come out and say this as scum". The idea came from Mafia Discussion, and while I cannot find the specific post I have in mind I can show you the game it was referring to. In this game, EmpTyger claimed that the Thenardiers would be likely scum on Page 1. Then he claimed Thenardier on April 1 and tried to pass it off as an April Fool's joke. It didn't work. He flipped Msr. Thenardier, Godfather. EmpTy insisted it was a joke he would have tried regardless of alignment after the game, but in the MD thread I tried to find Yos2 (or someone) disagreed on grounds that make sense - Townies that are trying to win don't try to push the envelope with what they can get away with. And I trust you're not the type who likes to claim NK-Immune Miller Vig for fun, so there we are.
In related news, I just realized where EmpTy's title came from.
Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.
SaintKerrigan wrote:@ Vi: And what makes you assume that what I'm doing doesn't have town reasoning or isn't simply neutral-minded jesting?
I think it's more likely.
Or we can turn it around.
I have no idea why you would have Town motive for what you said, so let's assume you had neutral reasoning. Considering that it's pretty much the extent of your scumhunting so far (and I while I admit this game hasn't exactly blossomed you're certainly not
helping
) color me unconvinced that you want this game to lead anywhere.
Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.
Vi, what intrigues me is how you look at me joking about being scum, and you automatically assume that I'm doing this, as scum, in order to make people think I'm town via correlation with the attitude of "Scum wouldn't do this, so he must be town." By default you preclude a town reason for my behavior because you fail to see any, and conclude that I'm just being unhelpful and lack the desire to lead the game anywhere.
In answer to the allegation that I'm doing this as scum, I first invite you to check your own linked example. If Emptyger was indeed trying to take advantage of this tactic, it backfired on him miserably. As for the second part of the allegation (where you allude to posting from a thread you can't find), you fail to establish that I'm scum trying to push the envelope with what I can get away with (you haven't even proven that I'm doing this as scum, instead choosing to link my instance with Emptyger's case and misconstrue a link from that). And finally, you arbitrarily rule out a town reason for what I'm doing by saying, "And I trust you're not the type who likes to claim NK-Immune Miller Vig for fun." This precludes the possibility that what I'm doing could be an less-orthodox town stratagem that you just haven't realized yet.
In answer to the allegation that there is no town reason for what I'm doing, then you simply aren't looking hard enough for one. They do exist.
And finally, in answer to the allegation that I'm not being helpful and am willing to lead the game anywhere, I find that very ironic considering that my antics have become the central topic of serious conversation, at least for now. How exactly is this not an attempt to be helpful or lead the game somewhere, hmm?
I do wish we had more people commenting on this, though. Arguments are much more productive when everyone says their piece.
First. I doubt it was a conscious tactical decision. That is, you did not explicitly think "hm I'm going to look Town by jokeclaiming scum".
Second. I'm precluding the possibility of a Town-backed strategem I haven't realized yet because if your verbose post is any indication, there isn't one. If there is one, you're welcome to stop the riddles and come out with it.
Meanwhile, using the word "proven" or "proof" in a defense is an auto-disqualification.
Third. I don't think you have room to take credit for your "antics". If I hadn't said anything, we would still be hip-deep in that awkward futile stage we were in at the top of the page that you were helping to perpetuate.
On a side note, I really don't think insinuating that that MD topic didn't exist is legitimate given that that game occurred in 2005 and I would have had no other way of knowing about it.
Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.
nopointinactingup wrote:@SK: I have a feeling you are trying somewhat the same gambit I did on Trade Mafia, claiming scum and still being able to survive =)
It's
L-1
. No one hammers until everyone has a say in this.
It does not take very long for the villiagers to point fingers and the fingers instantly get pointed towards SaintKerrigan, you lied! you said you would leave but you are still here! a cry from the town comes.
SaintKerrigan does his best to defend himself, but it is clear, you will not give him the time of the day to pleed his case to the town and you take him right to the nooses... you hang him up and pull the lever.... the trapdoor opens and SaintKerrigan's neck snaps!
Is he scum?
The remaining villiagers rumage through SaintKerrigan's pockets and find only a picture of SaintKerrigan drinking and laughing with their beloved and now dead overlord JasonT1981..
Oh no, we made a huge mistake!
SaintKerrigan was a townie
It is now night 1... Game will open no earlier than 48 hours from now, and no later than 72 hours.
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After a very quick hanging of SaintKerrigan the town nervously slunk back to their houses... however the next morning you all awake and head over to the town hall only to find the body of another person lying in a pool of blood with a note stapped to his forehead saying 'We warned you'
no doubt I am going to look fucking scummy today...
it was a fake hammer...I contacted the mod to tell him that i was doing it (but guess I should have waited for a response)
curiouskarmadog wrote:blah blah blah...
you look scummy, and Vi is never wrong....I mean he is the paragon of mafia Hunters.
unvote, vote SaintKerigan
I misspelled the name on purpose...However, there was a rule in the rule set about voting tricks (guess I should have read the rules) I have done this before and caught scum doing it.....so blah....I disagreed with the call by the mod, but understand it because he did have the "voting tricks" rule there...so it is my fault not the mods.
I understand I have royally fucked us...
I understand what position I put us in and am sorry
