Open 256~Fire and Ice Mafia Over!

[mallowgeno]

Vote CSL

Blatant Bandwagoning

[mallowgeno]

You are not funny.

Geeze CSL who jacked up your fun meter?

[mallowgeno]

I don't like Don already I think he's trying to wifom with the "OH YOU PEOPLE WAGONED ME SO YOU MUST BE SCUM" statement.

unvote, vote Don

[mallowgeno]

really? We are still on page 2?

Cmon people, even my "Start my own wagon to create discussion" didn't work.

BE ACTIVE.

Don't even start with this Robo. Seriously I won't have you saying "Really??? We're STILL on page 2 and no one has started any discussion so I can try to pin something on someone and save my own butt?". If you want to start discussion, congrats, you have been successful.

@ Don-Sorry I misread what you said.

unvote

[mallowgeno]

You never said it Robo, you just implied it. And what I meant was that you're complaining about lack of discussion when you could start discussion on your own.

[mallowgeno]

What do you think I was doing?

I frikkin started my own wagon don't tell me I ain't trying to start discussion.

Oh and the first part of you're quote here is non important to me. I wasn't asking you. I was asking kat. Let her/him answer.

Someone is getting feisty

vote Robo

[mallowgeno]

drmyshottyizsik replaces Katsuki.

UGH. DMS drives me crazy >.<

[mallowgeno]

Sorry guys for not being on. I wasn't aware that the day had started. Been busy. Will reread when I get the time.

[mallowgeno]

Promise to post some tomorrow. Had a competition all day today.

[mallowgeno]

Wow Robo, someone was over-enthusiastic:

CSL....

No they are not, explain how..

Seriously?

Lets lynch this scumbag.

Someone Hamma. I don't believe his claim, his omgus vote is just adding to it.

I can't help but feel eagerness from reading these two posts.

Ugh. I really wanna vote DJ

but I don't want another Quick wagon then modkill again. I think we need more info and conversation than we had Day One.

Really? You think you need more conversation than day one? What happened to this Robo? :

Someone Hamma

. I don't believe his claim, his omgus vote is just adding to it.

Then this one really makes me laugh...

I'm going to refrain from placing a vote for now. I need to get a nice Primary suspect.

1 hour and 25 minutes later...

VOTE: Don_Johnson

What happened to the whole "Let's not lynch yet so we can get information unlike day 1?"

Vote Robo

[mallowgeno]

I love how you don't even defend yourself Robo.

[mallowgeno]

Robo what did you accomplish day 1?

[mallowgeno]

And don't expect others to answer your questions if you don't respond to other player's questions.

[mallowgeno]

I suppose Robo's "scum" would be me and DJ just because we feel he's scum; OMGUS what irony...

[mallowgeno]

Not to get bogged down in the meta-trenches, but:

The following people are wrong about townlists: robocopter

The following peopel are an idiot: mothrax. In two consecutive posts he (1) whined at someone for liking "townlists", and then (2) whined at someone for not liking "townlists."

(and yes, I see the part where you try to add nuance to that by saying theres some sort of middle-ground. It's weak)

Not thrilled with any of the wagons. robo is too confrontational to be scum, don too active. jmurph seems like a lazy option.

vote mothrax

. I'm sure I'll get a theory lecture here in response, but the last posts look like you're just trying to take on the leading vote-getters about anything you can get your hands on.

I agree. Mothrax's bipolar decisions lead me to believe he is scum.

[mallowgeno]

Ummm. Way to misrepresent and way to follow the misrepresent. Like I said: I never urged Robo for a townlist, I asked for a scumspect. Therefor point 2 of lowells case is invalid rendering the case invalid.
Mallow is scummy for following it without voting. He is laying groundwork for hopping on my wagon if it takes off.

Do you want me to vote for you? I think you could be scum but I still think Robo is scummier than you.

[mallowgeno]

Here, semi la untill tomorrow evening, three midterms tomorrow.

Good Luck!

[mallowgeno]

Can the mod prod CSL please?

I would like to know his beef as well. Though Don, I can't help but feel that you are trying to start a case on CSL because of lolwell's comment "He hasn't started a case on anyone", even though that wasn't directed at you.

And obviously you would vote mothrax if it came down to you and him. You didn't need to post that.

[mallowgeno]

yeah. people always joke about it, but noone pays attention when i post actual thought out posts. so whatever. sheffield is full of shit(no offense). and noone seems to care, even when i point it out. whats the point of putting effort into the game when... hm. i think i need an alt. this reputation seems to kill my game.

Maybe if you didn't joke around so much people would see it. I don't see it either Moth. This is why I shall...

unvote

for now.

[mallowgeno]

Also I would still love to hear from CSL and Robo...

[mallowgeno]

Vote DJ

I don't think you're scum either but a nl wouldn't be helpful. Plus there's always the chance that I could be wrong.

[mallowgeno]

Nobody has commented on my idea of the doctor claiming. Thoughts?

It's a dumb idea. Doctor will either get fried or frozen and then we lose our clear anyway. It's still possible the doc could save someone.

[mallowgeno]

That seems unlikely. It would put the scumteam at an inherent disadvantage (putting 1 member in a one of you or you is scum situation). It would prevent a mislynch today. And it would cause nighttime confusion and WIFOM.

I guess it would be 1/5 or 2/5 after we lynch today. It shouldn't be looked at as 1/3>0/3. Making a mistake in protection could prevent a crosskill which we desperately need at this point given over half of the game is scum. A doctor is more likely to protect a scum member than a town member based on probability. This gets even worse if we mislynch today leaving only one protection option that isn't scum. Although it doesn't explicitly say it in the PM, I assume the doctor cannot protect himself. If that is allowed, that is the obvious action

I still think its a good idea, but to each his own. This game is painfully quiet. Robo, Lowell, mallow, Vren are completely absent and are most likely to be scum.

Just because we aren't loud and in your face and trying to get the doc killed doesn't mean that we are scum. The doc idea is terrible. It should be looked at as 1/3>0/3 (didn't you ever take math in highschool?).

Vote Scott

[mallowgeno]

And that is total bull anyway that I'm

completely

absent. Look at post #350. Oh well whatdoyaknow? Mallow posted and is participating in this game!?! Wow what a surprise! /sarcasm

[mallowgeno]

Mallow has shot up my scum list behind Lowell. Trying hard to defend his weak participation and almost a form of a OMGUS vote for me stating that he isn't particpating.

Whatever. Speaking of players that have weak participation, look at CSL! Wow how exciting! I think you feel that you must cover for CSL's lack of participation with bull crap reasons on why players are scum.

[mallowgeno]

Anyway do you have any other scum reads besides me?

Speak of the devil himself! Another one of my scum reads! Probably one of the other most scummy people.

Mallow's Magical List O' Scum:
1. Scotty Boy
2. Robocoptor
These other two are just gut instincts:
3. Jessee
4. Zed/Jed

[mallowgeno]

EBWOP:

I was refering to Robo when I said the line before my list.

[mallowgeno]

I must say Robo makes a good case on Lolwell...maybe I put Lolwell up there on the list of possible scum. Robo may be scum but he is also looking for the other scum too. He could legitimately think Lolwell is scum.

[mallowgeno]

There.
Was that so hard to do? Answering a simple question?

In response to Mallowgeno's question
I feel I created a good list of towns and scums

Which I do not feel like sharing.

Remember this Robo? The hypothetical list you "have". You never shared it. Why would you even say you had a list of town and scum if you weren't going to share it? So let's face it. You did nothing day one as well.


Mainly your efforts were to get DJ lynched. Too bad he turned out to be town. Now you're scramblin to find a new target. Oh look Lol has a wagon going on him! I think I'll join it and hope my buddy hammers if he isn't on it already!

[mallowgeno]

The only reason I feel Lolwell is town is because you two are lobbying so hard against him. If I didn't suspect you of being mafia I probably would hammer

[mallowgeno]

I'll take you up on that bet then Robo...

unvote, Vote Lolwell

[mallowgeno]

I'll take you up on that bet then Robo...

unvote, Vote Lolwell

How much money were we betting again?

Yeah. Thats right. I was right. Eat it.

Just because Lolwell was mafia doesn't clear you of being Fire. I still think you and scott are scum buddies.

vote Robo

[mallowgeno]

unvote

Crap I just realized that this is a potential lylo

[mallowgeno]

/broken record doctor should claim.

It's not really LYLO in the sense where if we mislynch we lose. I realize we can lose tonight. I'm not suggesting being hasty with votes, but extreme carefulness looks like scum attempting to appear town.

Vote:mallowgeno

Now that one scum is dead, I do agree that doc should claim.

I assume the vote means that I'm trying to appear to be town. Whatever.

Vote Robo again

[mallowgeno]

[quote="Zed"]This makes me want to look at some other quiet players, the ones who have stayed out of the way for the most part. /quote]

Much like yourself?

[mallowgeno]

I took it as you are accusing of someone being quiet as inherently scummy. Yet you have been quiet. So there's a contradiction there.

^This

[mallowgeno]

I am not buddying with scott. I said that I agreed with what he said. How is that buddying? If you want to see buddying, look at the previous day at Scott and Robo.

[mallowgeno]

Under the radar implies someone who has been active and not drawn attention; this slot has not been active, but when I started speaking today, I have immediately drawn attention. I never said I was one of the top contributors, either, nor did I imply it.

Scott...I want to find all the remaining scum, but today, I want to lynch Ice scum. This is because it eliminates the possibility of two night kills COMPLETELY.

How do you figure that you're gonna even find an ice scum? How do you know a player is ice scum?

[mallowgeno]

Does it worry anyone else that Lowell was almost completely off the radar until scott came up and said "hey, look at this guy's voting record! it looks suspicious..." Because it worries me.

Once again, you were completely off the radar until today. Once again, it seems like you are making a contradictory, hypocritical statement...

unvote, vote Zed

[mallowgeno]

Can we please get a votecount and prod Robo? Thanks!

[mallowgeno]

mallow, I don't think I was off the radar.

Rofl!

Sorry, I've been busy. Catching up and posting tomorrow

4 days later...

Sorry guys, didn't realize it had been that long. Doing a reread in a little, I'll be posting some thoughts

and still:

So, I reread. It isn't very complete because I don't have a lot of time tonight. But the basic thing I'm thinking is, I have no idea what to think about anyone. I'm finding it difficult to get a read on anyone, and maybe it is just because I replaced it (this is my first one, and the game feels very different to me). I do have time when I'm on the bus in the morning, usually, so I'll be reading again and looking at more detail if I get the chance.

1 week later you finally start...Call me crazy but pushing something off with excuses and posting fluff=under the radar.

[mallowgeno]

mallow, I was

busy

. Maybe you always have time to catch up, but I don't. If I had the time, I would have posted something worth while. I probably should have said I was going to be more or less V/LA at the time, but I didn't think it would take me that long to do everything I had to. I have also been much more present in the thread since then.

If you would like to discuss my activitty issues after the game, I will be more than happy to do so. Maybe then you won't be a jerk about it.

Well you can say that now that that has passed. As mafia you might think it would be a good idea to lurk and try to fly under the radar. If you were going to be V/LA, you should have said so.

The only reason you are showing up at the thread more is because a wagon was started on you and you're floundering and failing to fend off reasons.

[mallowgeno]

Also another thing I noticed going through your iso. You have not taken the initiative to vote a single time during this whole game. You haven't even attempted to make a case on anyone either.

[mallowgeno]

I'm not floundering. I'm perfectly capable of defending myself. I've played... ten games of mafia so far? Somewhere around that. And I've been lynched once, even if there are others voting for me in other rounds. So yeah, I think I've proven to myself that I'm capable of defending myself when being thought of as suspicious.

So what?

[mallowgeno]

You can find it ironic and/or hypocritical, but today I have already voiced some of my views about who is likely scum, and Robo has not.
I also had a pile of work dropped on my desk on Friday, so I'm a little behind all around.

You said I was fire scum and Mallow was Ice scum.

Now tell me, how on earth could you possibly decipher which scum team we were on? That doesn't even make any sense. The only possible way is to say I fought hard for a Lowell lynch and he flipped scum. Even that is just loaded with WIFOM.

You say we should vote for Ice scum and you said Mallow was Ice scum. Yet... you didn't vote! So heres the thing, voicing your unprovable WIFOM theories and then being a hypocrite and not voting who you think is scum isn't exactly the most constructive thing.

Agreed

[mallowgeno]

Reading mallow in ISO, he hasn't made a case yet.

Bullcrap! I have made several cases thus far. This is just a chance for you to indirectly OMGUS. Try harder Zed. Actually look at someone's ISO, don't just say that you did.

[mallowgeno]

Lol, saying that you thought I replaced in really shows how little you have been paying attention in this game. ANYONE could go to the front page and see that I've been playing since day 1...

[mallowgeno]

I'd rather see the latter personally. However neither are imminent.

[mallowgeno]

that gives Robo the hammer.

[mallowgeno]

EBWOP:

I mean that between me and Zed.

[mallowgeno]

unvote

Back to square one, though I think my lynch is imminent. I am but a lowly VT.

[mallowgeno]

vote Robo

Going back to my original vote.

[mallowgeno]

Robo was being a hypocrite when he was saying that so and so did absolutely nothing day 1 because he did nothing else either.

He refused to share his list

That's about all I have.

Gut feeling

[mallowgeno]

We tried to kill Robo but Zed was on him >.> Lucky you Robo.