Mars 2/Mini 243 - We Didn't Start the Fire, Game Over

[BabyJesus]

vote Nanook

[BabyJesus]

Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
Brando, "The King and I", and "The Catcher in the Rye"

Eisenhower, vaccine, England's got a new queen
Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye

CHORUS
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Josef Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser and Prokofiev
Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc

Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, dacron
Dien Bien Phu and "Rock Around the Clock"

Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn's got a winning team
Davy Crockett, "Peter Pan", Elvis Presley, Disneyland

Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Khrushchev
Princess Grace, "Peyton Place", trouble in the Suez

CHORUS

Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, "Bridge on the River Kwai"

Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California baseball
Starkweather, homicide, children of thalidomide

Buddy Holly, "Ben-Hur", space monkey, Mafia
hula hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no go

U2, Syngman Rhee, payola and Kennedy
Chubby Checker, "Psycho", Belgians in the Congo

CHORUS

Hemingway, Eichmann, "Stranger in a Strange Land"
Dylan, Berlin, Bay of Pigs Invasion

"Lawrence of Arabia", British Beatlemania
Ole Miss, John Glenn, Liston beats Patterson

Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British politician sex
JFK, blown away, what else do I have to say

CHORUS

Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon, back again
Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
Begin, Reagan, Palestine, terror on the airline
Ayatollolah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan

"Wheel of Fortune" , Sally Ride, heavy metal, suicide
Foreign debts, homeless vets, AIDS, Crack, Bernie Goetz
Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law
Rock and Roller Cola Wars, I can't take it anymore

CHORUS

We didn't start the fire
But when we are gone
Will it still burn on, and on, and on, and on...

[BabyJesus]

Punk!

Hi.

[BabyJesus]

Help a fella who hasn't played since the Civil War, is this BJ's normal playing style?

I haven't even started yet....

[BabyJesus]

Are we done with the random voting portion of day 1?

we're never done random voting day 1.

[BabyJesus]

unvote, vote bamboomancer

not random

[BabyJesus]

hummm i hate random votes....

so ill follow BabyJ (because hes always correct) and OMGUS

vote: bamboomancer

anyone not voting bamboomancer at this point is suspect

[BabyJesus]

unvote

vote: Bamboomancer

good info here. LyingBrian = gg

[BabyJesus]

wait a min... quick voteing are we?


was that a lynch already.

if not

unvote bamboo

are you claiming yoda??

[BabyJesus]

umm, raj, you seem to be overreacting, this is not a newbie game where it is 4 to lynch...i don't think

w/ 12 people in the game, it should be 7 to lynch, so you're safe to put your vote back on bamboomancer!

and BabyJesus, what does gg mean?

good guy

, good game, great gargling?

[BabyJesus]

o 7 to lynch, (i dont know why i thought it was 4 to lnch, must be another game im in)

thenn i feel safe with my

vote bamboo

good stuff.

Lets get him to rolefake, then lynch him.

[BabyJesus]

Oh my god, BabyJesus is IS!

On topic, what's with the bandwagon on Bamboomancer? Christ almighty here. (And not BJ either)

Vote: This is not me

For adding the third vote.

MOD EDIT: Got rid of the double post, 'cause I'm that nice.

this is not helpful. We are lynching Bamboomancer today. tia.

[BabyJesus]

bj said his vote isnt random,that means you have any info that he is scum?

It's day one, guy.

[BabyJesus]

suffice it to say that I think BJ's goal is to get my lynched.

well duh. If you're not claiming, then we can feel free to finish you off.

[BabyJesus]

No, BJ, because you're just as unconfirmed as me. Why don't YOU claim for ME, huh? That's just as reasonable a request.

someone's gotta get run up on day one, bud. Its you this game. This is where you a) claim, or b) get lynched.

Sorry if you didn't have a role fake prepared yet. Them's the breaks.

[BabyJesus]

What's the holdup here..... Bamboo refuses to claim, so we lynch him. Let's git er done!!

[BabyJesus]

I don't think that I've ever been involved in a BabyJesus Day 1 lynch .. if I have, it was early on when he first started here. Now I just set him aside like I do IS.

[BabyJesus]

sorry if i'm incredibly dense Tamuz, but i don't understand your point about the names.

is there a given setup that is always used in these Minis? (1 cop, 1 doctor, 4 Mafia, 1 Godfather, 1 Vigilante, etc.)

sorry, but this is my first Mini, so please forgive me...

almost every mini I've been in has had a serial killer. Quite a few have mason also, although in some of them masons know the "existence" (rolename) of the other mason without knowing WHO he actually is.

[BabyJesus]

Trying to call the setup on day one is a terrible strategy and will lead us into a pothole.

calling setup?? We've runup Bamboo. He has roelclaimed. He's not a doc, cop, or mason. Best case scum, worst case townie.

Sounds like a good lynch to me, lets git er done, and move on. No need to risk outing the doc now.

[BabyJesus]

Babyjesus, for the love of spoon, Explain yourself NOW

I am confused, there is nothing to explain. If you are townie, then you took one for the team day 1 to keep the doc and cop hidden. If scum, all the better. This is a no-brainer now. Anyone trying to push elsewhere now and possible out the doc will be dealt with.

[BabyJesus]

BJ, I'm amazed how adamant you are not to out the

doc

. What, what's wrong with the cop? You don't care if he's outed? That's most interesting.

I am confused, there is nothing to explain. If you are townie, then you took one for the team day 1 to

keep the doc and cop hidden.

If scum, all the better. This is a no-brainer now. Anyone trying to push elsewhere now and possible out the doc will be dealt with.

Not to mention outed doc = dead. outed cop = still protected by hidden doc.

But your deliberate misleading of the facts and craplogic is noted.

[BabyJesus]

Oh my god, BabyJesus is IS!

On topic, what's with the bandwagon on Bamboomancer? Christ almighty here. (And not BJ either)

Vote: This is not me

For adding the third vote.

MOD EDIT: Got rid of the double post, 'cause I'm that nice.

Bamboo is at 5 votes, 7 away from death. Ratios say that one of the mafia is already on the wagon, at least. Probably a second one there too, last one staying back so he doesn't look suspicious.

Well, since it's this far anyways, Bamboo, wanna claim?

Bamboo's one off from a lynch, to let everyone know. I'm just gonna wait and see what happens.

If Bamboo comes up scum, I think Nai makes a good day two lynch.

[BabyJesus]

And when I don't I hope someone beats your ass down, BJ. I'm convinced by now that your ENTIRE purpose in this game is to

get my lynched

and I'm so glad these sheep are following you. Lynch me, fine, because it's obvious i'm not going anywhere else, but you sheep on my bandwagon better take a hard look at yourselves tomorrow.

? get your what lynched?

[BabyJesus]

unvote: Bamboomancer

hoping we can out some roleplayers?

[BabyJesus]

is it just me, or does bj seem a little eager for a kill?

as opposed to....

[BabyJesus]

If scum, all the better. This is a no-brainer now. Anyone trying to push elsewhere now and possible out the doc will be dealt with.

Sounds like a good lynch to me, lets git er done, and move on. No need to risk outing the doc now.

Yeah, you comment about the cop twice. You comment about the doc four times.

Because it is more disastrous to OUT the doc then the cop. An OUTED cop will live until the mafia find the doc.
An OUTED doc will die the following night, then cop is dead if he comes out.

So yea, it's far worse to out the doc.

[BabyJesus]

I'm convinced by now that your ENTIRE purpose in this game is to get my lynched and I'm so glad these sheep are following you.

If this were chat mafia, I may actually back off, but since it isn't, I find it unlikely for such a role. With that and the fact that Iammars rarely plays in chat (if ever)..

My role has nothing to do with Bamboomancer.....I'm not sure why he (Bamboo) thinks it does.

[BabyJesus]

perhaps i am a little behind, but so far, i see two options regarding BJ v Bamboo
A) BJ has an investigative role and knows bamboo is scum, or
B), BJ is scum, and is trying to act like A)


any thoughts?

C) We need to pick someone to runup day one. Bamboo was the choice. Now that he's claimed, he's a good lynch. NO chance we lynch doc or cop, and there IS a chance we lynch scum.


Keep on putting words in my mouth, guy, and you'll be the runup tomorrow.

[BabyJesus]

perhaps i am a little behind, but so far, i see two options regarding BJ v Bamboo
A) BJ has an investigative role and knows bamboo is scum, or
B), BJ is scum, and is trying to act like A)


any thoughts?

C) We need to pick someone to runup day one. Bamboo was the choice. Now that he's claimed, he's a good lynch. NO chance we lynch doc or cop, and there IS a chance we lynch scum.


Keep on putting words in my mouth, guy, and you'll be the runup tomorrow.

Wow. So basically you just OUT LOUD said that you're full of crap, picked me randomly, and basically now I don't get to play.

Thanks, BJ, I'll have to remember not to sign up for games you're in anymore.

You gotta be kidding me....were you planning on voting no lynch? Someone's gotta get run up.

[BabyJesus]

Stark gets two votes now Iammars?

IS there a reason you are not voting Bamboo, guy?

[BabyJesus]

No, BJ, I just don't see why since you decided to pretend to be important you get to be the end all and be all of the town.

Sucks when you're scum, and you get runup D1, huh?

[BabyJesus]

vote: This is not me

[BabyJesus]

vote BabyJesus

for fairly obvious reasons

such as?

[BabyJesus]

bahahahaha, king pin if thats what you want to think, sure. how is this, aye? BJ is the one who pushed for a quick lynch, not i. i felt that if bamboo turned up scum, i would look suspicious for not voting him. all clear now?

of course I did, it was day one, we had to run up someone. Once he claimed townie, he was the safe lynch. Thats how it works.

[BabyJesus]

vote BabyJesus

for fairly obvious reasons

such as?

well, the whole lynching an innocent person buisness. That kind of qualifies, wouldn't you say?

maybe YOU had inside knowledge he was innocent, I certainly did not.... and last I checked you voted for an innocent also...

unvote, vote bloojay

clearly using garbage reasoning for an easy lynch...

[BabyJesus]

Agreed. However, I'd still like BabyJesus strung up.

So do the scum....

[BabyJesus]

Question: Can I see a link to a game where BJ, using his special BJness lived to an endgame and helped the town by his progressive ways?

I am intrigued by your ideas about BJ living to endgame, this would be a novel experience. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?

[BabyJesus]

moving on, i was looking at the deathscenes. does AIDS sound like a valid role to you? it was in the song, and it would explain the death by disease...

I think any "phrase" from the song is a possible role.

[BabyJesus]

we dont have any major leads at now oh well hope scummys make mistakes soon

unvote, vote thisisnotme

He is scum, take that to the bank.

[BabyJesus]

Vote: BabyJesus

we dont need another bad lynch today

so why would you vote me then....

[BabyJesus]

FOS: BabyJesus

i've been working on a new system for keeping track of posts, votes, etc., so i didn't have a post count until just a few minutes ago. anyway, BabyJesus has twice as many posts as anybody else. the reason i am pointing at him is b/c the last game i played where one player had significantly more posts than any other, that person was scum, and the reason he was posting so much, was b/c he was controlling the flow of the conversation. not necessarily scummy in and of itself, BabyJesus, but

IGMEOY

Odd....I'm pretty sure this isn't your first game with me. Any reason I get an FOS here, and not elsewhere??

[BabyJesus]

FOS: BabyJesus

i've been working on a new system for keeping track of posts, votes, etc., so i didn't have a post count until just a few minutes ago. anyway, BabyJesus has twice as many posts as anybody else. the reason i am pointing at him is b/c the last game i played where one player had significantly more posts than any other, that person was scum, and the reason he was posting so much, was b/c he was controlling the flow of the conversation. not necessarily scummy in and of itself, BabyJesus, but

IGMEOY

Odd....I'm pretty sure this isn't your first game with me. Any reason I get an FOS here, and not elsewhere??

4 of my games have/had you in them, and you are the post leader in all of them, yet this is the only game where your post count is double the closest person to you.

Are my post that much higher, or are others posts that much lower here....

[BabyJesus]

vote: BJ

any reason, or just a bandwagon hop...

[BabyJesus]

i am firmly against trigger happiness. at this point, i understand your reasoning with lynching those who claim townie, considering that scum generaly are not that creative. however, with such a diverse range of role choices, im sure that they can make up something. i also believe that there might be more vanillas, which, if we go by your method, will result in repetitive bad lynches for town. that explain it?

pretty weak-ass reason to jump on a bandwagon day two, guy. Basically you're admitting you don;'t know or care if I'm scum, but you're voting me because I believe lynching a vanilla townie Day One is better then outing the doc. right.....

[BabyJesus]

Vote update would be nice....

[BabyJesus]

Is it just me, BJ, or is the doc dead? Oh, wait, he is. That makes your argument null and void, doesn't it?

X

The doc wasn't dead Day ONE when I used that argument, smartass. I haven;t said anything about lynching a claimed townie automatically day two.

[BabyJesus]

Yet you used that argument as an excuse against Stark's argument, which is valid. However, you've already decided on your target today. Yesterday you single-handedly started a bandwagon that got rid of a townie. Today, you've done the same thing, but it hasn't gone far enough. You're a decent candidate for lynch yourself, just as much as any of the rest of us.

so you know for a fact I am voting for a townie?? interesting....

[BabyJesus]

Unofficial Vote Count

BabyJesus - 4 (bloojay, Nai, rajrhcpfreak, stark)
This is not me - 2 (BabyJesus, Tamuz)
Nai - 1 (LyingBrian)
rajrhcpfreak - 1 (NanookTheWolf)
stark - 1 (Cubsfan4ever)

Are my post that much higher, or are others posts that much lower here....

LOL, i like how you turn the argument back onto me BabyJesus, very nicely done! the fact that you are being so defensive concerning you post count, makes me wonder if my perception has struck a nerve.

what do you think about roleclaiming, now, BabyJesus, or would you like me to vote for you first?

You think I care? Stop beating around the bush and fos'ing me for stupid reasons. You want to vote me, vote for me then, guy.

[BabyJesus]

You think I care? Stop beating around the bush and fos'ing me for stupid reasons. You want to vote me, vote for me then, guy.

i would random vote somebody Day 1 for stupid reasons, but i wouldn't FOS somebody for a stupid reason.

i believe it is a valid reason for a FOS, but your reaction after the FOS gives me a valid reason to vote for you.

Unvote: Nai

Vote: BabyJesus

I think we would like you to roleclaim, BabyJesus!

sure, I'm a mason. This should not be news. Commence the unvoting, tia!

[BabyJesus]

Oh, but sadly I don;t know who my mason buddy is...I just know I'm one.

:shrug:

[BabyJesus]

i concur that BJ's claim is far fetched. do you know the role name of your partner, so we can get some verification? tell me though, if you dont know the name or rolename of your partner, whats the point of being a masoN?

I know his role name, just not who he is.... I am punk rock, he would be rock and roller cola wars....

Sadly, I can only hope he is a kind soul and sees fit to confirm me....

[BabyJesus]

Oh, seeing as how I am a mason, I will probably be viewed as dirty soon....

[BabyJesus]

Punk!

Hi.

bump...

[BabyJesus]

sorry if i'm incredibly dense Tamuz, but i don't understand your point about the names.

is there a given setup that is always used in these Minis? (1 cop, 1 doctor, 4 Mafia, 1 Godfather, 1 Vigilante, etc.)

sorry, but this is my first Mini, so please forgive me...

almost every mini I've been in has had a serial killer. Quite a few have mason also, although in some of them masons know the "existence" (rolename) of the other mason without knowing WHO he actually is.

let me go ahead and bump this too..... Of course, you'll probably think I was setting this up from the beginning....

[BabyJesus]

Ok. Now i know something's up.
Someone vote BabyJesus, please. You more than likely won't regret it, if my lead is true. If it isn't...well, i'll explain myself tomorrow.

please explain now...


was I viewed bad as a mason again....

[BabyJesus]

shouldn;t there be unvoting....

[BabyJesus]

shouldn;t there be unvoting....

Whaddya mean?

I am an undisputed mason.....people should be unvoting.

[BabyJesus]

If he doesn't know his mason partner, it's pretty much a BS claim. There's no point of a mason that doesn't know his partner. If you don't know the partner, you can't communicate at night. And if you can't do that, you're nothing but a townie that has a spiffy title.

I say we lynch him.

still waiting for you guys to finish this and move on to N3....

[BabyJesus]

Actually, I now believe BJ. Amazing, yes. Yes, I have my reasons, though I'd rather not say them.

Unvote: BabyJesus

Finish what now? Just because I believe your claim doesn't mean I believe who you want to kill should be killed.

so you disbelieved my claim at first, but now that I gave rolenames you believe it....

[BabyJesus]

i belive bj too but

igmeoy

[BabyJesus]

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almost every mini I've been in has had a serial killer. Quite a few have mason also, although in some of them masons know the "existence" (rolename) of the other mason without knowing WHO he actually is.

can you give me a specific example. i would still like to understand the purpose of a mason who can not speak with his mason buddy!?!

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2541

here's a game with them....

[BabyJesus]

was I viewed bad as a mason again....

no, but i have information that proves you a liar. But not enough people want me to say it, so I won't just yet.

Are you sure enough of your information that you are willing to be lynched next if/when I am proved to be truthful....

[BabyJesus]

if bloojay proves this information, my vote returns. if we lynch bj and he comes up good, we lynch bloojay. appears we have a SAFE lynch, aye?

You're scum, aren't you...

[BabyJesus]

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almost every mini I've been in has had a serial killer. Quite a few have mason also, although in some of them masons know the "existence" (rolename) of the other mason without knowing WHO he actually is.

can you give me a specific example. i would still like to understand the purpose of a mason who can not speak with his mason buddy!?!

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2541

here's a game with them....

when i first saw this post, my thoughts were "Wow, BabyJesus is cooperating, this is unusual!" then i clicked the link, and i must admit i did give a little chuckle. anyway, if BabyJesus is going to bother giving me an explanation (i have told you guys i'm still rather green, right! this understanding isn't just for this game), i don't think i'll bother unvoting...

seriously? I have never seen that variety of mason before. I put that post out there as a hint to my mason buddy, hoping he'd pick up on it, and seeing if I could pick up on who he might be.

[BabyJesus]

Oh, seeing as how I am a mason, I will probably be viewed as dirty soon....

was I viewed bad as a mason again....

can you please explain this for me, BabyJesus, sounds like there is some background that i'm unfamiliar with..

Two different games recently I was fingered as scum by a cop-type when I was really a pro-town mason.

[BabyJesus]

If he doesn't know his mason partner, it's pretty much a BS claim. There's no point of a mason that doesn't know his partner. If you don't know the partner, you can't communicate at night. And if you can't do that, you're nothing but a townie that has a spiffy title.

I say we lynch him.

given this, I doubt he's my mason partner....

In hindsight, I should not have revealed both rolenames...

[BabyJesus]

Are you sure enough of your information that you are willing to be lynched next if/when I am proved to be truthful....

Uh, yeah. Pretty much. Didn't I already say that? If I didn't, I meant to.

how about Vote: Bloojay, because he doesn't know how to spell.

oh, like that's that much better of a reason. So is that a "bloojay, show your info" then?

still waiting for this "info".....

[BabyJesus]

still waiting for this "info".....

and i'm still waiting for more than one person to ask for it. Actually, 2 people have i think, but i was never good at counting. Still, i would like some people to care before i say anything.

Personally, since you're either
a) full of shit
b) faulty info

I could care less. But if you're not gonna reveal you "info" why don;t you be helpful and commence with unvoting...

[BabyJesus]

Are you sure enough of your information that you are willing to be lynched next if/when I am proved to be truthful....

Uh, yeah. Pretty much. Didn't I already say that? If I didn't, I meant to.

wow....ok, guess its time to lynch me then....

wish I could be around to see him squirm tomorrow.....

[BabyJesus]

I'm fairly sure that BJ is full of crap.

so now we're going down from 100% sure to "fairly sure".....

interesting....

[BabyJesus]

ill go with it

vote: bj

do you know who your partner is?

you are not being helpful....

unvote

meanwhile....

Bloojay, do you know your partner??

[BabyJesus]

vote LyingBrian

[BabyJesus]

I also think its better if my mason buddy stays hidden for now.....

[BabyJesus]

time to turn the pressure cooker back on!

unvote

vote: BabyJesus

i have more propensity to believe bloojay right now than you BabyJesus!

awwww..... I guess you smart folk got me.

[BabyJesus]

Are you sure enough of your information that you are willing to be lynched next if/when I am proved to be truthful....

Uh, yeah. Pretty much. Didn't I already say that? If I didn't, I meant to.

wow....ok, guess its time to lynch me then....

wish I could be around to see him squirm tomorrow.....

let me bump this, so we know not to let bloojay off the hook tomorrow...

[BabyJesus]

ill go with it

vote: bj

do you know who your partner is?

you are not being helpful....

unvote

meanwhile....

Bloojay, do you know your partner??

still waiting for bloojay to tell us if he knows his partner....or even to tell us HIS rolename, for that matter.

Considering we have a bunch of sheep voting me based on his BS with no info, whereas I have given a ton of info, I think we need more.....

I'm pretty sure stark is scum at this point though, not 100% sure on LB.

unvote, vote stark

, but I honestly think running up either one would be beneficial.

[BabyJesus]

I think that Bloojay either needs to die hard (as he said, two mason groups? Besides, a three mason group sounds waaay too close to a scum group, don'tcha think?) for his claim.

Well, that cinches it then. If we kill BJ and i'm right (and I am quite a bit more than fairly sure now that I am) then we know exactly who to go for the next day. I guess its all up to you guys now. But If you guys kill me....that's 2 wrong choices for lynching and no right ones. Oops.

we're not lynching me today, guy.

[BabyJesus]

Bloojay, did your pm say you KNOW your mason buddies are innocent? I was a mini (weather mafia) with a 3 mason group where one of my mason buddies there was not....

[BabyJesus]

That clinches it for me right there. Because I can save someone from being run up right now, I'll claim.

i was holding out, but I want to make it clear that BJ is telling the truth. I'm Rock and Roller Cola Wars. I'm told that I know that a friend of mine Punk Rock (BJ) is town. I don't consider us masons, as we can not talk outside of game. BJ coming out with exact names is what caused me not to vote for him.

I think that Bloojay either needs to die hard (as he said, two mason groups? Besides, a three mason group sounds waaay too close to a scum group, don'tcha think?) for his claim.

why did you say this then.....

If he doesn't know his mason partner, it's pretty much a BS claim. There's no point of a mason that doesn't know his partner. If you don't know the partner, you can't communicate at night. And if you can't do that, you're nothing but a townie that has a spiffy title.

I say we lynch him.

[BabyJesus]

i find it a little odd that nai knows your innocent, but you dont know he is. two mason groups seems also very much. what is your role bloojay?

I don't think Nai knew I was innocent till I outed my role....

[BabyJesus]

I did NOT know BJ was innocent until he gave his role name and my role name in his claim. All I knew before that was that he was claiming mason. My role did NOT tell me that BJ was innocent. It told me that the role Punk Rock was innocent.

so nothing triggered for you when I just happened to be claiming a "mason" who also didn't know his partner....

[BabyJesus]

Seriously though, LB and stark are scum. Can we focus on them please? If no one disputes Nai he is confirmed as my mason buddy....

[BabyJesus]

Bloojay, did your pm say you KNOW your mason buddies are innocent? I was a mini (weather mafia) with a 3 mason group where one of my mason buddies there was not....

bump for bloojay..... my role pm specifically said I knew my mason buddy was innocent. Did yours?

[BabyJesus]

your free to lynch me man. im going to come up clean, but your welcome to lynch me. bloojay, can you further define your " mason" group?

is this a townie claim.....

[BabyJesus]

I'm confused here .. Are BabyJesus, Bloojay, and Nai all claiming to be fellow masons?

no...

Nai and I are not technically masons.... we simply knew the existence of a role name, and knew that that role name was innocent.

Bloojay is claiming to be part of a full fledged mason group with 2 others.

[BabyJesus]

ey man, cut me some slack. this is the first pro-town role ive ever played. you claim to have a three person mason group, this is what im asking you to go into further detail with

Alrighty then.

shouldn't you be unvoting....

[BabyJesus]

shouldn't you be unvoting....

why would i do that? I'm still incredibly sure of my correctness. if i'm not, oh noes, i'll probably die. we're in the same sort of boat.

this confuses me.... I have been confirmed....

[BabyJesus]

shouldn't you be unvoting....

why would i do that? I'm still incredibly sure of my correctness. if i'm not, oh noes, i'll probably die. we're in the same sort of boat.

this confuses me.... I have been confirmed....

yeah, but you could just as easily been confirmed by a scum partner. this has happened to me numerous times and i'm just not willing to take the chance right now.

are you still 100% willing to be lynched tomorrow if I am telling the truth....

[BabyJesus]

unvote

well i guess we shoud wait for BabyJesus to tell us what we need to do...

I'm pretty sure lynching a confirmed "mason" is not the play....

[BabyJesus]

vote: bloojay

this day has to end some time & no one has stepped up to confirm bloojay as a mason, so he has the best chance of lying... if he's telling the truth, we still have 2 masons, and an easy lynch tomorrow...

seriously, this guy is scum.

[BabyJesus]

unvote, vote lying brian

[BabyJesus]

vote: bloojay

this day has to end some time & no one has stepped up to confirm bloojay as a mason, so he has the best chance of lying... if he's telling the truth, we still have 2 masons, and an easy lynch tomorrow...

or, we can lynch babyjesus or Nai, prove one of them innocent if they ARE telling the truth, prove me innocent when you guy try and lynch me and a buddy comes to my rescue, and then know that we had 5 confirmed townies all along.

or, we could lynch you, and follow my other scenario tomorrow. I agree with BJ, what you said right there was mighty scummy.

FOS LyingBrian

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I don't like the idea of lynching 2 pro-town people simply to confirm another 3.... thats just letting scum slide by without notice till day 4, I can;t imagine thats good....

Which is why I like a LB runup....his implication that if bloojay is innocent our next lynch is easy is EXTREMELY suspicious. What the hell does bloojay's innocence or lack of it have to do with anyone else??

[BabyJesus]

if we out the other masons, we may as well out the cop too....at that point you KNOW the scum are gonna have it figured out pretty damn close.

Right now I'd be happy lynching LB.

[BabyJesus]

alright, considering that bloojay has failed, at least in my mind, to produce sufficient evidence to support his claim, i hereby

vote bloojay

I dunno, why would a scum fake mason just to discredit me....I don't think he's scum.

[BabyJesus]

O.k. a couple of things!

first, NanookTheWolf, i appreciate you asking for a role-claim BEFORE you cast the 5th vote. i have a pro-town role, and now you've set me up to be lynched.

FOS: NanookTheWolf

second, i don't trust the BabyJesus/Nai & bloojay/Tamuz/??? mason groups. too many "confirmed" townies. also, am i the only one who noticed Tamuz was trying to hint that he was a "cop", then when he saw my bandwagon was not gaining any steam, decided to come out as a "mason" to lynch me?

third, an official claim that no one bothered to ask for...(i appreciate the fairness)

Buddy Holly, "Ben-Hur", space monkey,

Mafia

my name is Mafia, i am a group of people that each night sends out 1 person to kill a player. i win with the town when the competition is killed (a.k.a. the real Mafia). in short, i am a Vigilante. (unfortunately, even though i am a group of people, i only have 1 life. i clarified this w/ the mod before the game began)

i did not submit a name N0, or N1 b/c i wanted to get a feel for the game first, and see who stood where.

as far as my eagerness to lynch somebody is concerned, that's my playing style, not an indication of my role. see my other games where i am a confirmed townie

[BabyJesus]

oky now i complitly belive lyingbrian beacause i havnt a person as a role either,i have a group of persons too,like you have mafia,but i am not saying what i have....

holy crap

[BabyJesus]

2)

mod

, can you retract the deadline please? i think we have enough discussion to keep the game moving...

Sure...

Deadline Retracted

vote renew deadline

[BabyJesus]

the name Mafia should not be considere solely as proof for my innocence or guilt, i agree with that, Tamuz.

but it should be considered in relation to my claim. it makes sense with a killing role, and if you compared it to your PM, the flavor will be the same. of course i didn't quote it word-for-word, as that is prohibited, but the general style should be the same. and btw, there is a reason no other thread has a scum character named "Mafia"...

no other thread has a "We Didn't Start the Fire!" theme...

well, see, at a certain point we have to stop doing this. we've already done it twice, once with me and once with BJ. third time's the charm, though, and you made an incredibly risky claim there.

your exactly right, but now we can kill 2 birds w/ one stone. tonight i can target either bloojay or BabyJesus. there will be 2 kills & a "mason"/"confirmed" townie will die.

I'll bet you want to kill a confirmed townie.

[BabyJesus]

I'll bet you want to kill a confirmed townie.

no, actually i want to find the scum, and since i don't believe the 2 confirmed groups theory, i want to test it.

I'll bet you do. Trying to justify killing a confirmed townie? nice. Why don;t we let our cop worry about that, and lynch you today.

[BabyJesus]

time to

vote stark

[BabyJesus]

It means, though, that we're down at least one cop. I'd like to hear what Bloojay and his buddies have to say about this. If a third person can vouch for them NOW, they'll really be confirmed without a doubt (at least, to me). Hit another mafia today and BJ and me are also pretty much cleared.

As for me, I would like to

vote: This is not me

for backing LyingBrian. He was pretty serious about saying that Brian was town, and here's what happened. Sounds an awful lot like two inept mafia to me.

here's the thing. LB was a serial killer....aren't they usually loner bad guys? If so, this is not me couldn;t have been a BG with LB. Could be a BG on a different team, but if so I'm surprised he defended him so hard.

[BabyJesus]

time to

vote stark

an explaination would be nice, comrade. note though, that cubsfan was a

paranoid

cop. did you noticed how he kept his vote on me for a while? also

vote: TINM

he, i think, is the best option at the moment

so I need to explain my single vote on you, but you don't need to explain hopping a bandwagon?

nice.

I'm voting you for your action yesterday, nothin to do with cubsfan. Yesterday I felt the two scummiest people were you and LB. One down, one to go in my book.

[BabyJesus]

maybe the cop should come out....

[BabyJesus]

Bloo/Tamuz - who is the 3rd member of your mason group?

[BabyJesus]

unvote, vote raj

[BabyJesus]

hi

[BabyJesus]

Is raj dead yet?

[BabyJesus]

probably gone for thanksgiving. but....i think raj and nanook are the only ones who haven't claimed. i'll check real quick.

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...
...

nope, he hasn't.

unvote, vote Raj.

in retrospect, has made very odd and scummy switches throughout the game.

Bloo/Tamuz - who is the 3rd member of your mason group?

well, i guess it wouldn't hurt....lemme think on that more, though.

like we don't all know its Nanook....

[BabyJesus]

Oh, you were hoping for one of those roles that dies after one vote?

Sorry.

hi

[BabyJesus]

probably gone for thanksgiving. but....i think raj and nanook are the only ones who haven't claimed. i'll check real quick.

...
...
...

nope, he hasn't.

unvote, vote Raj.

in retrospect, has made very odd and scummy switches throughout the game.

Bloo/Tamuz - who is the 3rd member of your mason group?

well, i guess it wouldn't hurt....lemme think on that more, though.

like we don't all know its Nanook....

Then why ask?

he hadn't voted for the only other non-claimant yet.

[BabyJesus]

sheesh, do we not have a freaking cop this game?

[BabyJesus]

I'm Dylan.

i sing my protest songs 2 times in the game to stop all kills that will happen in the night.

i decided to do it night one. i havnt done it agian for my second/last time.

ive been trying to figure out if there would be 2 roleblockers.. well mine isnt a role blocker exactly....

i almost beleive This is Not Me. so im thinking we ahve some uber mafia.

I really don;t believe you, but I will

unvote

. This seems like an easily confirmable claim, use it tonight.

Of course, scum COULD choose not to kill I suppose....

Question for Mod:
Are scum allowed to choose "no kill" at night?

[BabyJesus]

I'm Dylan.

i sing my protest songs 2 times in the game to stop all kills that will happen in the night.

i decided to do it night one. i havnt done it agian for my second/last time.

ive been trying to figure out if there would be 2 roleblockers.. well mine isnt a role blocker exactly....

i almost beleive This is Not Me. so im thinking we ahve some uber mafia.

I really don;t believe you, but I will

unvote

. This seems like an easily confirmable claim, use it tonight.

Of course, scum COULD choose not to kill I suppose....

Question for Mod:
Are scum allowed to choose "no kill" at night?

Do you really expect me to answer this?

yes

[BabyJesus]

vote stark

[BabyJesus]

unvote: Stark
vote: This is not me

either one works for me...

[BabyJesus]

RIP tinm

[BabyJesus]

Well, with that, I think our doc is really lucky.

Being killed N2?

I agree, lets test this "mason" group. I would prefer to test Tamuz though....

vote Tamuz

[BabyJesus]

You could STILL be a doc lying to us to save his skin.

if only our doc hadn;t already died.....

[BabyJesus]

uh, ok. you guys are dumptards if you vote for us. Which is why we probably should've lynched one of you back when my first suspicions arose.

But no matter.

Vote BJ

with any luck, we'll kill mafia today, boys. Just vote BJ. If you kill either me, Tamuz, or Nanook today then town loses. And do you really want that on your concience, raj? do you?

now I know you guys are scum.

[BabyJesus]

Is that the best you can come up with, Bloojay? "Kill them or you'll have our deaths on your conscience"?

Well, its more like a loss at the hands of someone with information that he knows is right.

Where's your third mason member to speak up, saying he's in the mason party?

If you haven't noticed, he's been not posting in all of his games. I guess he's away for something. Perhaps a prod, Iammars?

Lemme ask you 2 (Nai and BJ) a question....what happened to you guy's suspicions of Stark? Did they just disappear after last night? He's posted, and you guys haven't seen him to be NEARLY as scummy as you have on previous days.

because I don't think Stark and raj are the only two scum left....I think there's 3 left. And if they ARE, we still have one miss left. If you three are the scum, we have no misses. Either way, we need to test your little group.

[BabyJesus]

et tu BJ. I don't think you are scum from your play,
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snip
.. I will

vote: BJ

[BabyJesus]

Would rather go tamuz for some reason, but no love for that, so

unvote, vote Bloojay

[BabyJesus]

wow. you guys are seriously idiots.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! trying to bring suspicion back to me to save your ass?
unvote, vote bloojay

wow, give this guy a gold star.

And whoever is the remaining townie (i think Raj), then you get a gold star too. way to go.

if you are townie, then we know Nanook and Tamuz are clean, and can turn to raj and friends. We have to test you 3 out though....better to do that now.

[BabyJesus]

Well, its more like a loss at the hands of someone with information that he knows is right.

Wait... Doesn't this sound like what I've been saying? That I KNOW that BJ is clean, so I'm going after the most possible other scum groups? Hmm. Interesting. But recall this: BJ said he had a "mason" friend first. Then I backed him up. You ONLY started saying you were masons BECAUSE we claimed, and you wanted to attack us. You had no credibility, so you HAD to claim. Unless BJ and I are real ball-sy mafia members (claiming mason first?), you are just scum that made a bad play. Your mafia buddies had two choices: Back you up or let you crash and burn. However, you somehow convinced them to back you up with this. Thus, we get our three man mason group.

Doesn't make any sense in the logical mind. In any case, Raj's move gained us a night. Your group needs to be tested. I'm willing to be lynched tomarrow if I'm wrong. But I don't think I'm wrong.

It doesn't matter whether you think you are wrong or not, the fact is bloo is innocent, and you guys just lynched an innocent. Anyways, are we supposed to talk during twilight?

thats fine, if Bloo is innocent then we know raj and co are scum.

[BabyJesus]

you dumbasses. I TOLD you if Bamboo was clean raj was scum. WTF is wrong with you?

[BabyJesus]

Would rather go tamuz for some reason, but no love for that, so

unvote, vote Bloojay

bump. dumbasses.

[BabyJesus]

Well, with that, I think our doc is really lucky.

Being killed N2?

I agree, lets test this "mason" group. I would prefer to test Tamuz though....

vote Tamuz

hey look.

[BabyJesus]

If you guys remember, back on day 2 when you guys asked if i knew my partners were innocent? Total BS. I was hoping someone would back me eventually, I had no idea. I guess that kind of helped in the detriment

Jesus Christ. Are you kidding me? There was a reason I specifically asked if you knew that.

[BabyJesus]

fun game, though. I probably would not have pushed for a Tamuz lynch even if you guys hadn;t speed-lynched me, so he might have skated for a while. I would have figured on raj though.