Mars 2/Mini 243 - We Didn't Start the Fire, Game Over

[This is not me]

oky now i complitly belive lyingbrian beacause i havnt a person as a role either,i have a group of persons too,like you have mafia,but i am not saying what i have....

[BabyJesus]

O.k. a couple of things!

first, NanookTheWolf, i appreciate you asking for a role-claim BEFORE you cast the 5th vote. i have a pro-town role, and now you've set me up to be lynched.

FOS: NanookTheWolf

second, i don't trust the BabyJesus/Nai & bloojay/Tamuz/??? mason groups. too many "confirmed" townies. also, am i the only one who noticed Tamuz was trying to hint that he was a "cop", then when he saw my bandwagon was not gaining any steam, decided to come out as a "mason" to lynch me?

third, an official claim that no one bothered to ask for...(i appreciate the fairness)

Buddy Holly, "Ben-Hur", space monkey,

Mafia

my name is Mafia, i am a group of people that each night sends out 1 person to kill a player. i win with the town when the competition is killed (a.k.a. the real Mafia). in short, i am a Vigilante. (unfortunately, even though i am a group of people, i only have 1 life. i clarified this w/ the mod before the game began)

i did not submit a name N0, or N1 b/c i wanted to get a feel for the game first, and see who stood where.

as far as my eagerness to lynch somebody is concerned, that's my playing style, not an indication of my role. see my other games where i am a confirmed townie

[rajrhcpfreak]

pretty risky to claim mafia

[LyingBrian]

O.k. a couple of things!

first, NanookTheWolf, i appreciate you asking for a role-claim BEFORE you cast the 5th vote. i have a pro-town role, and now you've set me up to be lynched.

FOS: NanookTheWolf

second, i don't trust the BabyJesus/Nai & bloojay/Tamuz/??? mason groups. too many "confirmed" townies. also, am i the only one who noticed Tamuz was trying to hint that he was a "cop", then when he saw my bandwagon was not gaining any steam, decided to come out as a "mason" to lynch me?

third, an official claim that no one bothered to ask for...(i appreciate the fairness)

Buddy Holly, "Ben-Hur", space monkey,

Mafia

my name is Mafia, i am a group of people that each night sends out 1 person to kill a player. i win with the town when the competition is killed (a.k.a. the real Mafia). in short, i am a Vigilante. (unfortunately, even though i am a group of people, i only have 1 life. i clarified this w/ the mod before the game began)

i did not submit a name N0, or N1 b/c i wanted to get a feel for the game first, and see who stood where.

as far as my eagerness to lynch somebody is concerned, that's my playing style, not an indication of my role. see my other games where i am a confirmed townie

well if you have any doubts, you could let me live & i could kill someone tonight to prove my claim...

i have 2 requests,

1) can 1 person unvote me just to give me some breathing room? on Day 1 after Bamboomancer claimed i unvoted for the same reason, just wondering if someone will return the courtesy

2)

mod

, can you retract the deadline please? i think we have enough discussion to keep the game moving...

[BabyJesus]

oky now i complitly belive lyingbrian beacause i havnt a person as a role either,i have a group of persons too,like you have mafia,but i am not saying what i have....

holy crap

[Iammars]

2)

mod

, can you retract the deadline please? i think we have enough discussion to keep the game moving...

Sure...

Deadline Retracted

[BabyJesus]

2)

mod

, can you retract the deadline please? i think we have enough discussion to keep the game moving...

Sure...

Deadline Retracted

vote renew deadline

[Tamuz]

Tamuz, you mis-spelled your own name in your coming out post.

I write my name both as Tamuz and Tamuzi, I'm actually more partial to Tamuzi and so I wrote it like that. Not that I would really be anal about anyone calling me either name or something spawning off of it, as long as I can tell which is which

Pata... you just flew up to #3 on my suspicions list.

oky now i complitly belive lyingbrian beacause i havnt a person as a role either,i have a group of persons too,like you have mafia,but i am not saying what i have....

Not only do I know that your english is better than this (you even capitilized your 'I's on IRC, but that point is also bolshy. So you have a similar titled role and that makes him innocent because you are? Or are you implying that you too are a group of people, a mafia and you believe that he is mafia, because your group is mafia? That may be a stretch, or a twist, but it does display the irrelivancy/falliciousness of such logic.

Neither Iammars, nor any other experienced mod would make a game completely breakable by similarities in names so your point is moot, in fact it is suspect rather than beneficial. (and don't go citing my WOT, I'm not too experienced, and I overthought some assumptions, as well as it is bad form to discuss running games)[/quote]

[bloojay]

well if you have any doubts, you could let me live & i could kill someone tonight to prove my claim...

well, see, at a certain point we have to stop doing this. we've already done it twice, once with me and once with BJ. third time's the charm, though, and you made an incredibly risky claim there.

but then again, TINM is pulling a risky move as well. spelling stuff wrong? a run-on sentence? maybe its some kind of post restriction, but like Tamuz said, you're very cryptic right now.

[This is not me]

The logic in that was that mods don't often name mafia guys in themed mafia to mafia.So it was risky claim from claiming a group of people what isn't that common and beacause i have a group of people to,i tend to belive him.

[Tamuz]

The logic in that was that mods don't often name mafia guys in themed mafia to mafia.So it was risky claim from claiming a group of people what isn't that common and beacause i have a group of people to,i tend to belive him.

Cite me

Any

other game with a character named mafia in general, townie or Scum and I may believe you just for your hard work. Mafia isn't a very oftenly used name, unless a mod is bored and just calls all his scum mafia

Iammars wouldn't make the group so breakable so that all groups are innocent. You are pretty much doing a WIFOM right now, but the way I percieve it you aren't taking it to far. You say that Iammars names a character mafia, to make us think he is mafia. But if Iammars wants us to think he is mafia, then he won't be. Sounds good and pretty. Thanks Iammars for the clue. Innocent, I say, innocent!

Personally, I think such a WIFOM should just be ignored, replace Mafia with Joe Schmoe so you don't confuse yourself. WIFOM'ing will just take you down a road of blind believe or eternal doubt, neither which are good for decisions

and thinking about it LyingBrian (spelled right that time, eh?) took one of the three happy scum claims. You have your mason scum, your doc scum, and your vig scum. Doc scums often out themself, mason scum need a support, which will out two scum, and vig scums can prove by killing--which just happens to be the mafias strong suit. I dun like it LyingBrian.

[This is not me]

Well the point is that non of the games have a mafia as a role name,like you said and extactly that makes me belive he is innocent, does it make any sence? Also what does the WIFOM stand for?

[Tamuz]

WIFOM is Wine In Front of Me. See the princess bride. (A smart man would but the poison in front of him because that would make me think a smart man would never have the poison nearest to him. So I'll move the poison, but that would be what you want me to do, so I'm not going to take the cup in front of you because you would want me to take that one. However, you would put the poison closest to me having me think that)

As you see, endless circles of logic. Which is why I believe you just shouldn't consider the name Mafia as evidence either way

[LyingBrian]

the name Mafia should not be considere solely as proof for my innocence or guilt, i agree with that, Tamuz.

but it should be considered in relation to my claim. it makes sense with a killing role, and if you compared it to your PM, the flavor will be the same. of course i didn't quote it word-for-word, as that is prohibited, but the general style should be the same. and btw, there is a reason no other thread has a scum character named "Mafia"...

no other thread has a "We Didn't Start the Fire!" theme...

well, see, at a certain point we have to stop doing this. we've already done it twice, once with me and once with BJ. third time's the charm, though, and you made an incredibly risky claim there.

your exactly right, but now we can kill 2 birds w/ one stone. tonight i can target either bloojay or BabyJesus. there will be 2 kills & a "mason"/"confirmed" townie will die.

[This is not me]

Ok maybe the name doesent tell anything,but i still think lyingbrian is innocent....

[BabyJesus]

the name Mafia should not be considere solely as proof for my innocence or guilt, i agree with that, Tamuz.

but it should be considered in relation to my claim. it makes sense with a killing role, and if you compared it to your PM, the flavor will be the same. of course i didn't quote it word-for-word, as that is prohibited, but the general style should be the same. and btw, there is a reason no other thread has a scum character named "Mafia"...

no other thread has a "We Didn't Start the Fire!" theme...

well, see, at a certain point we have to stop doing this. we've already done it twice, once with me and once with BJ. third time's the charm, though, and you made an incredibly risky claim there.

your exactly right, but now we can kill 2 birds w/ one stone. tonight i can target either bloojay or BabyJesus. there will be 2 kills & a "mason"/"confirmed" townie will die.

I'll bet you want to kill a confirmed townie.

[LyingBrian]

I'll bet you want to kill a confirmed townie.

no, actually i want to find the scum, and since i don't believe the 2 confirmed groups theory, i want to test it.

[This is not me]

i dont belive it at all too,beacause there would be 5 mansons+3 dead person leaves 4 persons,i am not a cop and it would be logical to have a cop,but if we would have 5 mansons and a cop we would have 2 scummies,way too low so 1 of the mansons are probably lying anyway even if lyingbrian is scum.

[Cubsfan4ever]

Vig is the most common scum claim, especially when followed by "I can prove it by killing somebody tonight".

[BabyJesus]

I'll bet you want to kill a confirmed townie.

no, actually i want to find the scum, and since i don't believe the 2 confirmed groups theory, i want to test it.

I'll bet you do. Trying to justify killing a confirmed townie? nice. Why don;t we let our cop worry about that, and lynch you today.

[stark]

Noted, mafia claim is doubtfull, so i will

unvote

. if mafia is supposed to be town, what do we have left?

vote:LB

[Tamuz]

Ok maybe the name doesent tell anything,but i still think lyingbrian is innocent....

Why? You've accepted my every rebuttle to your support of LyingBrian, yet you still support him. I'd just like to understand why you trust the man. You can't be hinting that you & LB are yet another mason group and thats why you are so resolutely sure of his innocence .

[stark]

well, we shall see, considering that lb is dead now.

[This is not me]

nope it is just that it was a super risky move from him and i dont think a mafia would do that....or maybe he could,does anyone know lyingbrian playstyle and could tell if he would make so risky move.also like i staded before,if we have a cop and 3 scummies then at least 1 of the mansons lie.and i rather belive that lying is the 3 persons manson than the 2 persons manson.but then again claiming manson as mafia is risky too so,oh well that leads me to conclusion: everyone has made risky move. also have you and bloojay already told your role names?i think i havent seen them,but i maybe just havent noticed them,if you havent told the,m already then i would like to hear.also i would like to hear the 3th person role name...

[Iammars]

And that's night folks. You just lynched...






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LyingBrian, Mafia, Serial Killer

Night on.