Mafia on Holy Orders (Game Over!)

[curiouskarmadog]

curiouskarmadog replaces Sebguer. Welcome him!

ok, here, got PM, will try to start catching up today.

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Going to start to read this game, probably going to have to do it in parts….mostly this is for me (notes for later)…if I ask you are question it is with a “@”, since these reading post will probably be a wall of words, don’t worry about quoting. A cut and paste job with quotation marks will suffice. I type as a read, and will go back to edit if needed….here we go.

Going into the read knowing that wraith and fate are town.

Battery powered deadlines seem interesting, but I guess it gives scum the motivation to not post..

Day 1, random bullshit, Day 2 gets meater.

Post 50, 52

unvote
Vote furcolow

DIE SCUM DIE.

Random vote. What do you want form me?
It's not like stuff happened already.

First scummy move that has jumped on my radar….there was nothing random about this vote. At all. Fur was getting heat atp (at this point) and he was jumping on a bandwagon. If you are bandwagoning, that is fine, but he is trying to paint it like it was random, which is an out and out lie.

58,

Yeah. That's why I wanna lynch him. His town play is really bad, and will cost us this game too,if we don't lynch him.

Policy off the start is fine, but wanting to lynch someone by the end of the day based on this above reasoning is bad….baadd…

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Friend looks like he is trying to scum hunt. (page 3)

Keep waiting for a post from Furc stating “he is going to take his ball and go home”….sort of whining bud. (p3)

71,

I'm going to reiterate: If people start voting vezokpiraka, I guarantee a scum flip

Bold statement, atp I agree with though.

I am actually sort of wondering why I wagon didn’t start on vezo. Note SP defends vezo in post (72)..interesting.

Furc just seems to be…meh, annoying maybe…though he looks town to me (2-4p), though I don’t understand his vote in 88, Furc, you are coming across as a VI…a giant VI.

I don’t agree with Seb’s assessment of Furc (4-5p), yeah I realize that is who I am replacing.

145, 147 made me laugh.

I am amazing in LyLo.

I am very weak at scumhunting, because I do not trust my first instinct.

150, noting that Agar has confirmed atp, but little to no posts…(EDIT posts in 170)

-The smell of smoke surrounds animorpherv1 as of post 41...

-A warm light shines on Iecerint as of post 138!

(EDIT 218)

-The smell of smoke surrounds mothrax as of Post 184...

what does these mean?

156,

Message from Heaven: Hello, I can only talk normally like this one post every two hundred. Otherwise I post like below.

zwet<knowledge of day start
furcolow>wraith
wraith=furcolow cheapness

ergo

zwet=

Vote: Wraith

wtf?

Is one and only post in 200 is to vote someone who is town..noted.

162, 163

I'm going to take a wild guess that there is another player with post restrictions like this- and one of those 2 is scum.

speculation < valuable
speculation < meaningful
speculation < thought out

ergo

Unvote; Vote: Beefster

This exchange is interesting, not sure what to think of this or zwet.

183,

I feel scum.
How can you vote after 4 votes in random?
I voted furcolow. I provided 114 for scum meta.
Wraith and Agar are probably scums.

unvote vote Agar

Ok, I am not sure why vezo survived Day 1.

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Furc (1-8p) I don’t think I care for your play style…you fucking cant whine for 8 pages then tell people to “shut up”…you got to be like 14?...if you are, nevermind, I get it.
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Ok, done with page 10…..will try to come back and finish sooner than later.

Atp, I am pretty sure that vezo is scum, also zwet and SP is dinging my dar.

@zwet, what happens if you don’t follow your PR? (if this is answered later in the game), just post the number.

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oh just noted that zwet is no longer using the PR...interesting in seeing why that is...also Furc is at -3...I would like to catch up before a lynch please

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CKD is still probscum.

caught this, "still" based on?

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CKD is still probscum.

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aahhh, nm, you were providing main suspects not who you thought was scum..

anyway, hoping to ship away at this read today or tomorrow

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Ok, got a little more time to read, typing as I am going, left off at page 10, starting page 11.

255,

Well, I have no idea about why did vezok ping into my scumdar. He has posted nothing yet
But, why did AGar vote him?

strange statement, atp in the game, I found vezok leading in scumminess.

Page 12-13 friend and fate(town) go back in forth. In friend’s defense, I don’t have a clue what fate is talking about and he is coming off like a VI.

vote: furcolow

you are a terrible player

jesus fucking christ….you should be embarrassed by your play this far in the game.

Guess he trys to explain his actions in 305

313

ok, guys, i'm going to go ahead and claim
I am just a townie. This wagon on me will be a mislynch if I am lynched. I wanted to act blue and draw a hit to help our team, but this pressure is unfounded and unwanted.

a claim already? I don’t think he is scum, just a really really horrible player…now he could be a horrible player as scum, but I am doubting it. There is absolutely nothing good about your play if you are town..NOTHING

Page 14, wraith(town) starts to get steam.

346, SP vote
348, Iec vote
349, Friend vote
352, Fate (town)
358, Socrates, vote

With no real reason.

367,

Wraith's play as of late does not sit well with me... as has been pointed out by others.

Unvote, Vote: Wraith

What reason? Moth thinks this is a good wagon have the rush of 5 votes?....bullshit, scum meter just bounced a little here.

I think the Vezo wagon developing at the end of page 17 (but I know it doesn’t go anywhere)

As of 428, vezo and wraith are both at -3, what changed?

436,

After that votecount, I'm a whoooole lot more comfortable being with the people on the Wraith wagon than the vezo wagon.

unvote, vote: Wraith

Just noting, might be the tipping vote.

Zwet, in 442.

453...interesting.

Ok, so I received a PM from the mod that my latent abilities will be replaced by new active abilities come the beginning of day 2. I can only assume this came from an action on the part of someone else. For the record, my latent abilities were the PR and the red-posting. I still don't know what the active abilities will be. I'm still forbidden to claim.

488, Socio, with a fake hammer?....if that is what he was doing, it was a cool move…but anyone with a brain knew he was already on the wagon….

Pac hammers in 530, with horrid reasoning

UH, WHAT?..lol, game is nightless?..time to reread the rules.

“. What is it? Something that doesn't apply to this game. This game is Instant Night.”
“5. Can the Mafia talk to each other during the Day? Yes.”

Ok........so Fate probably scared someone, because he wasn’t looking like a townie to me atp.

EDIT: Fate threatened Vezo, and then Furc..with vigging...

551,

I can speak now! Hurray!

noted....so i guess i am to assume that if you went by your PR for a day, you got some ability

554,

Me=Weird is giving me bad vibes.
He is for a furc lynch even when he say yesterday I have to die. For now furc is scummiest. This may change though.

Vote Furcolow

yeah, M=W is giving you bad vibes, but you will join him on the biggest wagon anyway....WHY IS THIS PLAYER NOT LYNCHED!?!?! Actions speak louder than words.

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Just going to break the reread so this isn’t a huge post. (end page 23)

at this point, I am pretty sure Vezo is scum, moth looks scummy, and now Friend, pac and zwet are rubbing me wrong....yeah, i know it is a fucking giant net, hoping I can narrow down before I finish.....right now, in this read, vezo should be the leading wagon, yet looking at current voting...not happening...cant wait to see why.

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603,

vezok is playing to town meta.

game link please..

(entire game) Furc, it is really hard to read you..town or scum, you are just a bad player…

I replace in 649.

I am feeling Plum’s frustration and beginning to see why Ani replaced out.

OMG, there are so many silly ass bullshit posts.

750,

my PR was removed by circumstances unbeknownst to me. I am forbidden to claim until the mod tells me I can, and I can tell you that I am not the physical manifestation of anything (which narrows it down a lot, obviously)

Sooo, your PR was removed, but you don’t know why….but you cant claim….not asking you to, but what happens if you do? What happens if you claim what you are not?

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@ friend, what is your case on Seb…if you felt he was scummy all this time, why not vote him versus all of your other vote hopping? How was Seb play scummy…his ISO was a couple posts, so it shouldn’t be hard to come up with a couple points. Also, Zwet was asking you for a direct answer, and instead of helping him scum hunt, you avoid and don’t answer the question directly, how is that pro-town?

Uhhhh, Chrono replaces in 805 (1:54pm), and is caught up an hour later….wtf? am I a slow reader?

Ok, caught up…

Going to meta Vezo really fast.

Most likely my vote will fall on Vezo….but it can easily be on Friend…..moth still looks scummy as well, the others (pac and zwet) are dropped to neutral.

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well shit, if you go by a quick meta, it appears that Vezo's play is indeed town..

as scum, he did not vote as much (could only find one game) and appeared to be reserved getting involved with wagons. As town, or even a town power role, he tends to vote hop....adding more content if he is a power role then a vanilla...going to look a little more closely..and reread him in this game. My gut says he is scum, but this meta does say otherwise...

not going to vote quite yet....also want to look over friend and moth again....should be voting today or tomorrow.

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I think Furcolow is a bad vote,

also dont like people pointing to flavor (or an unknown mechanic) to indicate scumminess (friend).

going to put my vote here for now....

vote mothrax

, not liking his play..

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though, my gut still is screaming vezo scum

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wow, I get why furc got so frustrated... lets all play the bandwagon game. Plum, you wanna sic your dogs on me?
too many indians, not enough chiefs.

why do you think that furc is fustrated?...because of a bandwagon?...arent you on his?

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or someone thinks your a right about it...someone not being the mod....or maybe scum, leading you astray....or maybe light and smoke mean something else entirely.

or maybe it IS just flavor.

....but you think it is a good move to base assumptions and votes on it right, with little to no knowledge on the subject when there is so much more to go on. not a protown move. you really want us to believe that you think the mod would give away alignments in this way?...really?

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we can always test it though..

I think Friend is scum

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I think agar is scum

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I think Chronopie is scum

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I think Me=Weird is scum

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I think Furcolow is scum

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I think Iecerint is scum

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I think Locke Lamora is scum

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I think mothrax is scum

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I think pacman281292 is scum

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I think Plum is scum

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I think SocioPath is scum

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I think Socrates is scum

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I think vezokpiraka is scum

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I think zwetschenwasser is scum

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and why not.

I think I (CKD) am scum.

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how do you know the mystery player(s) alignment?

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I don't, but the mod has said they are unlynchable and untargetable. Unlynchable and untargetable scum = instawin.

again you are assuming way too much...unless you have some knowledge no one else has....maybe they (or one) could be scum, that dont count toward totals....maybe they have a different type of win condition, you win if town wins the game..or you win if scum wins the game....think about it...there are evil and good presences that dont direct control on us, but can influence or mislead..or whatever.

I seriously doubt that you have not considered any of this...

especially on day 2, you should be scum hunting, not looking toward the "gods" for help...

@ all, I would be ok with a friend wagon too.

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thanks for spamming fifteen one liners CKD

is that what I was doing? or was i testing something..

this is super funny coming from you.

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it was more of a knock on Friend...but ok, I get your point

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pacman, you understand that he unvoted you right, to join that bandwagon? strange that you are attacking for that, however, i get why you think vezo is scum...

Moth you need to claim now (if you havent already).

he is at -1..so wait for the claim to hammer.

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unvote, vote pacman

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unvote

wait a minute..can you point out where you thought Agar was scum day 1.

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you went from,

And I have been very vocal about having a scumread on AGar since D1. Why not track my biggest suspect.

to

while I didn't come out and directly call him scum, I did want to keep an eye on him, both litrally and figuratively. As for d2, reread my list of scumspects... a majority of my posts not concerning furcolow have been concerning AGar.

so the fact you "track" him and you didnt see him do anything, made you suspect him more?

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these are the posts that you "were vocal about"? about on day 1.

AGar,I am curious, If I were to "me too" vote and follow you would you be any less of an asswhole? I see you do it all the time, you just use more words than I do. Sorry, not in the habit of posting Wall o' Texts, never will unless it is an ISO.

yes AGar, you followed the wagon on wraith when your vezo push didn't work out and your most recent vote on vezo comes right after a vote on vezo from plum.
and it comes with only this under a bunch of "Plum is Good"

If so, I agree quite wholeheartedly with that. Actually, I can agree with that statement in regards to almost all of his posts.

Friend wagon fizzles, and I'm not gonna stick with my vote on a dead wagon when scum's a ripe for lynchin'.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: vezokpiraka

I call that "me too"

Also, to say I am butthurt implies that I give a rats ass. I play mafia for fun, not out of some latent need to assert my badassedness. So we're here for different reasons, I just wanted to know if I needed gloves to stop the constant facepalms from bruising.

Apologies AGar, I misread the votecount. When I said wraith I meant friennnd. Just pointing out your buddying to plum.

also, yout 10th post was...

VOTE: furcolow
his seeking approval strikes me as trying to distance homself from a mislynch.

uhhhh?

your vote was on Fur before you jumped on the wraith wagon...why not track him?

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also, did you leave a crumb as to your targeting of agar?

where..

if not, why or why not?

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got to reread....so moth was scum, yeah I wasnt buying that he track agar based on his Day 1 play... then he was trying to use is Day 2 actions to prove his Day 1 track? whatever....he was hammer last night, so thats good.

going to reread know moth is scum and zwet is town.

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this

I've always just assumed the remaining battery power recharging to just be the battery mechanic starting up again for the next day.

and I dont know if vezo is scum or just a horrible player....

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I am considering a massclaim.

random...

what are your thought on pac today given the moth flip?

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Furc is pretty definitely VI-town IMO. Vezo is not. Vezo is very possibly VI-scum. But...

I agree with this statement.

the vote that followed i am iffy on, but rather a wagon on pac than Furc.

I am also noting several people who a under the radar....doing some ISO reads.

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X-axes are post numbers, Y-axes is total number of votes. Each color represents a different person.

so much work on graphs, so little work on answering questions.

what your graphs dont show, is my questioning I asked at the end of the day and your late arrival to the wagon...I would have revoted him, but I had signed off for the day and wanted him to answer my questions to be sure. Speaking of counter wagons, where was your vote for most of the day while the moth wagon was gaining steam(hint I know the answer to the question)?

do you think graphs are good ways to catch scum? have you ever used graphs before (as scum)? Given your voting history yesterday do you think you look scummy? Can you please redo the graph with your voting pattern.

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just skimming right now..I didnt see the "me" in the chart....anyway, have more I want to say...but cant at the moment....not sure I understand the Pac wagon right now, wasnt he the counter wagon yesterday?....people think we were that good to have caught two scum yesterday?....not buying it, and not buying the wagon....

need to catch up...hoping to do so in the next 48

also plum 1051, makes no sense to me.

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posting in all (3) games...tonight or tomorrow morning for updates (so it wasnt 48 hours, it was 72)

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this is the last game i need to update (gotten 2 out of 3 done today..)..working on it.

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please give me sometime to comment....I am trying, but super busy.

I seriously doubt that we were able to correctly point out two scum yesterday..pac was the competing wagon (if you guys remember).

also Furc, why are you asking?...if he flips town, it gives you a way to say "hey, i asked and you said it was okay"...if you think he is scum, hammer, if not, dont....you need to take ownership of your vote, not pass the buck....scum points for you

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vote plum

I gots a feeling, plum, would you characterize yourself as a good scum hunter? why or why not?

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unvote;
vote: locke lamora

been suspicious off locke since RVS, multiple FoS from me i'm pretty sure

funny when people vote, they usually explain why a person is scummy, why are you defending your vote?

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Hey Furc, what information would you get from a Locke lynch?

LOL, thats your defense?...given this concept, all scum in every game should just play like you and not provide stances or content.

almost everybody is this fucking game looks scummy.

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unvote, vote Locke.

-1, claim.

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My defence of what, CKD? I was just asking Furc what information he'd get from my lynch. That wasn't a defence. I must have missed the part of the wagon where there were any questions for me or attacks made against me, other than Plum saying I haven't contributed much, which is fair.

what is your point about information on your lynch? Why exactly do you think there will be no information provided by your flip?

also...claim

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Claim. And die.
CKD. Do you understand how stupid it is to ask someone who doesn't want to claim and has been called obvtown?

jesus I must be stupid, because I a.) am not exactly sure what the fuck you just said and b.) and am amused by the hypocrisy of the post.

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Claim. And die.
CKD. Do you understand how stupid it is to ask someone who doesn't want to claim and has been called obvtown?

also interesting insight there, how do you know LL doesnt want to claim?

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so instead of answering my question you vote me?

try again, why are you defending your locke vote here instead of explaining why you think he is scummy.

what about me on "this page" do you find scummy?

unvote;
vote: locke lamora

been suspicious off locke since RVS, multiple FoS from me i'm pretty sure

funny when people vote, they usually explain why a person is scummy, why are you defending your vote?

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also, you put him at -2, why did you not expect him to get to -1?

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answer the questions.

so instead of answering my question you vote me?

try again, why are you defending your locke vote here instead of explaining why you think he is scummy.

what about me on "this page" do you find scummy?

unvote;
vote: locke lamora

been suspicious off locke since RVS, multiple FoS from me i'm pretty sure

funny when people vote, they usually explain why a person is scummy, why are you defending your vote?

also, you put him at -2, why did you not expect him to get to -1?

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Hey CKD. What was up in your head when you posted this?:

vote plum

I gots a feeling, plum, would you characterize yourself as a good scum hunter? why or why not?

I have seen you play before as a mod and as a player. I have seen you mod a game. You are a decent player and I feel you have some good instincts. Also I feel like you are analytical...

I am not seeing any of that in this game. thus "my feeling"....I still have that feeling, but your answer didnt seem scummy aannnnd, I am barking up other trees to see what scum bags fall out.

also, for whatever reason....the fact that you are bringing it back up (right now) seems non-scummish...Scum, would probably let my vote/unvote go and be joyful the heat was gone. Unless of course, you are prideful and you feel like you got an awesome scum game and are just curious as to what I was picking up on.....but if that was the case you could just ask me after the game.

(shrug)....short answer, scum hunting.

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well soc pretty much said that he tracked Vezo (now it doesnt clear him completely), but he is not the lynch today.

I am fine with a massclaim at this point.

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I agree that one of the following is a correct statement.

Terrible playing.
Scummy player.

VOTE: Furcolow

I am leaning that he is just a bad player....going to reread...something about Iece is bothering me...going to check back when he was "following" my lead with his vote...not sure what about my play gave him such confidence about my alignment.

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Furc, I am curious, what have you done that you deem is pro-town? Do you think you have done anything that could look scummy?

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bit sick at the moment....will update when i can

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vote Iecerint

....I got a feeling that scum lie here.

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Vez, if you are town, you have to be one of the worst players I have ever seen.

I dont get the Me wagon...and I really dont get those reasons for being on it.

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CKD, why do you think I'm scum?

if you had to guess why...what would you say?

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would anyone like to take the effort and going back and putting all the glow and smoke posts together in one post...I dont have the time, but am curious if there is a pattern.

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Hey glows and smokes, are you guys actually players?

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so I get a warm light for that question.

so do you guys have any insight?

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or are your lights/smoke based on opinion?

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are there dead players amongst your ranks?

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pac, what is OMGUS about my vote on Iece?..explain

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-A small glow surrounds Chronopie as of post 1419...

-The smell of smoke surrounds Chronopie as of post 1419...

lol

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when did you get this?

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i dont know what any of that means.

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I figure the last bit means, that when the battery goes down (or fills up with a death) people (or scum) get role points that they can use for things.

"otherisscum

vezlie-d2ability

idme/wexplain-GGSCHB"

I dont have a clue what any of this means.

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and I dont know why you got it...

and why you got it now, so late in the day.

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oh and Pac, I am getting scum vibes off Iece, because of his buddying up to me...i have done nothing this game to bode gettting that kind of trust....

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id me....ahhh, i see.

and Haylen, someone said you did something day 2....thoughts?

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18) !!!!!!!!
19) !!!!!!!!!!

18, 8 characters, 19, 9 characters


Gammagooey, was on the replacement thread...his name was scratch out...has 10 characters and and could be a "GG"

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18) !!!!!!!!
19) !!!!!!!!!!

18, 8 characters, 19, 9 characters


Gammagooey, was on the replacement thread...his name was scratch out...has 10 characters and and could be a "GG"

edit, I mean 19, has 8...not 9

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yes, well after....but the manuver still left me...meh.

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no the inital comments is what pinged my dar...also mix in the current state of the game (ie not like the current wagon)...also, when did you convince Soc to not vote me?

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Pac, i just want to make sure i am reading this correctly, this entire game, you have not seen Iecerint buddy up with me once?....not one comment that could look like someone budddying up to another...nothing?

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also pac, day 4 is almost done, why arent you voting? you seem to have a problem with me, why not vote me (or anyone) to take a stance on someone...

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wtf?

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can someone explain to me (2-3 bullet points) why M=W is scummy?

I dont get it...I dont understand the wagon.

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so there really is no case then?

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did I mention that I think Iece is scum....do i have to die before people will listen to me?

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are you really asking who people think are town? I hope I just misread that.

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instead of spouting off town reads...why not just give scum reads...why paint a kill target for scum? Top two scum reads from everyone would not only make everyone declare a stance and "narrow down the lynch pool", but will not expose those who the town believes to be the most town....

it is a scum move that only benefits scum.

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lol at haylen and ckd "OMG you want town reads you're scum die". What's wrong with townreads? They would help scum just as much as scumreads. Hopefully I'll get some ISO's done in a couple days.

no that is not true, sometimes people have neutral reads, there is no need to get a consensus on who looks the most town

you know what the best scumread reads are, fucking scumreads.

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It's very difficult for you to flip yourself on a town read, without a pretty good reasoning.

It's very easy to detach from a scumread if things aren't going the right way.

I completely disagree with this statement, maybe it is theory...maybe it is personal perference....coming off a stated town read is just as easy as coming off a stated scum read.

"well i thought bob was town, but due to X, i no longer think so"

"well i thought bob was scum, but due to X, I am now not as sure"

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CONFIRM VOTE Iecerint

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why would you vote her if you thought she was dropping a crumb?....

i just dont know if Furc is scum, or just a horrid player....i am constantly back and forth on it.

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why would you vote her if you thought she was dropping a crumb?....

i just dont know if Furc is scum, or just a horrid player....i am constantly back and forth on it.

You are doing the exact same thing Haylen is. You have replaced into a slot with a lot of suspicion put on it. I will admit that you have helped the read on the slot, but if you continue making irrelevant two liner posts I'm afraid I will have to make a case for your lynch solely based upon the person who was playing the slot before you replaced into it which will be fairly valid.

"a lot of suspicion"? huh....didnt Sub post like 3 posts? my post was irrelevant...I explained my stance on you....what

you

havent done is answer the question in the post.

[curiouskarmadog]

(in a different voice)hey everybody, who is CKD voting?.....

(in yet another voice) it looks like Iece...

(first voice)man, he seems persistant on that vote.

(second voice)yeah....we should join him to at least put pressure on Iece.

(another chick, possibly a sex operator), what about the M=W wagon?

(second voice) what about it?

(chick) shouldnt we put pressure there?

(first guy)...I say no...CKD has good gut instinct

(chick) but he hasnt really even put a case out there...what is his case, "dude, buddied with me for no reason"? that really isnt a case.

(first guy)...true, but I have seen CKD action, and if I know anything about him, he always kicks himself in his ass if he doesnt follow his gut..

(chick)...so you want us to follow you based on a gut vote..

(first guy)...it is CKD....dude is like a scumdar. come on everybody.

(everyone)...yeah!!!! ok lets vote him.


((no breadcrumbs were used or town was hurt in the making of this presentation))

[curiouskarmadog]

woah I didnt say anything, those are obvious other voices.


but those voices DID say that it is gut AND the fact that Iece did buddy with me for no reason...there was no reason to state that I was obviously town, what had I done at that point that was so town to trust me that much...nothing. also his general play is setting of scum vibes.


but what really is a vote anyway?....usually a gut vote...you see person X doing Y and you think it is scummy...

you have a problem with my "gut" vote?

[curiouskarmadog]

So how come you can go all gut on Iece and then when I call furc town because of gut (and meta but whatever) you flip out?

did you read my post?...

I have a reason for my gut call on Iece..

there is no reason for anyone to think the Furc is acting town.

[curiouskarmadog]

why would you vote her if you thought she was dropping a crumb?....

i just dont know if Furc is scum, or just a horrid player....i am constantly back and forth on it.

You are doing the exact same thing Haylen is. You have replaced into a slot with a lot of suspicion put on it. I will admit that you have helped the read on the slot, but if you continue making irrelevant two liner posts I'm afraid I will have to make a case for your lynch solely based upon the person who was playing the slot before you replaced into it which will be fairly valid.

"a lot of suspicion"? huh....didnt Sub post like 3 posts? my post was irrelevant...I explained my stance on you....what

you

havent done is answer the question in the post.

get off my balls, dude
your slot was scummy
i don't have to answer a question from someone i have a scum read on

woah what???...now you got a fucking scum read on me? BULLSHIT...

now answer the question, how is it protown to immediately vote someone who you think is dropping a crumb...it was a bullshit and/or a scummy move, please explain how it is not.

[curiouskarmadog]

also friend, since you got such a town read on Furc, explain to me why you think his last vote was obvious town?

[curiouskarmadog]

Furc, i am curious, also can you show me the "detailed" post that basically confirms you.

[curiouskarmadog]

Haylen, please explain in 2-3 points why M=W "needs to go".

[curiouskarmadog]

ebwopreview: @ckd: I sort of agree with you here. I figured sebguer was scum, but your play has been really helping the slot in general which is why I've

get off my balls, dude
your slot was scummy
i don't have to answer a question from someone i have a scum read on

woah what???...now you got a fucking scum read on me? BULLSHIT...

now answer the question, how is it protown to immediately vote someone who you think is dropping a crumb...it was a bullshit and/or a scummy move, please explain how it is not.

also just to point out.....

[curiouskarmadog]

so there is a chart, explain to me how that chart confirms you as town.

[curiouskarmadog]

im addressing it. don't fucking quote 20 lines to make a one liner and spam that off the page scum

quit avoiding the question.....

I quoted two lines...one where you said I wasnt that scummy, the other where you said you refuse to answer a question on someone you got a scum read on...

I am calling bullshit.

answer the question.

How is it protown to vote someone you think is breadcrumbing...when you voted him, you didnt say, you thought he was faking...you said..

vote: haylen

explain your anagram
the most i can make it to be is like "obscene sir" or "bio screen"
what is the point of doing that?
even people who are town and try to crack that like I am doing are confused by that
it really makes you look like scum to me

you thought it was a crumb...not that he was faking...

[curiouskarmadog]

explain to me how that chart doesnt cast suspicion on you yet semi-clear me and i will answer your question

I dont really understand the chart...so please explain it to me.

[curiouskarmadog]

SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU OBV HAVE NO RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLES FEELINGS SO JUST PISS OFF.

that was out of no where....please answer my question

[curiouskarmadog]

am I pushing you as scum?

let me tell you this right now, so we are clear.

I have a feeling you are town, it has nothing to do with charts, "gut", or metas...it has to do with this game.

I do however, think that you are just a very bad mafia player...if you flip scum in this game, I will take it back and actually give you props....but i think you are town....but are just really bad..sorry if you think this is an insult...I would take it as an insult in your shoes...but it is true.

reading back over this game from your POV, I would be embarassed. i hope you are learning...shit, I have made a ton of mistakes in my day..played poorly, but in this game...you have annoyed the piss out of me and are just bad.

[curiouskarmadog]

also, i don't mean to imply iecerint did that. you did. i am not sure where iecerint was on that.

well what does the chart say?

[curiouskarmadog]

you are using the chart to say you are confirmed

I ask you to explain how the chart does that...but you cant.

I ask you to explain how voting someone for a crumb is protown...but you cant.

you say you dont think i am scummy, then turn around and say I scummy when I call you out for a bad vote.

You say you dont think Iece is scummy, but the maker of the chart did, so you are just picking and chosing information..

I am done asking you questions, ....it really is like I am having a conversation with a fucking mental patient....

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD, there's this thing called "player interaction", that makes it pretty obvious what people think of other people, at least to me. Hopefully I'll actually get stuff done tomorrow.

not even sure what this is in reference too.

you have been making snide comments to me for most of the game....now I am not on your wagon and I keep asking for someone to provide a case about you (which no one has yet)....what exactly is your issue with me? you think i am scum? am I scummy, townish, or neutral for not being on your wagon, why?

[curiouskarmadog]

because i dont think he is scum....no amount of bullying will make me vote him if I dont think he scum....

Agar, I have asked repeatedly for 2-3 points of why he is scum...but no one to include yourself has responding to my request....convince you think he is scum...

[curiouskarmadog]

got damn proofreading.

"..has responded.." and ..."convince me, you think he is scum.."

[curiouskarmadog]

hey smokes and lights, I am thinking about hammering at this points, your thoughts?

[curiouskarmadog]

(for shits and giggles)

hey smokes and lights, should I be the lynch today?

[curiouskarmadog]

oh I have an idea...

why dont we lynch me or Iece?

The M=W wagon isnt getting any additional heat....everyone seems lost....I am telling you iece is scum, is it going to take me dying to get you guys to vote scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

M=W is a bad wagon.....just bad....with bad votes....

like the last one.

unvote, vote Chronopie

....have stated who I would rather lynch (iece) scum is probably freaked out I am so persistant today, to bad town isnt catching the breeze. at any rate, if I cant lynch Iece today...this will do. please if I am not around tomorrow, lynch Iece.

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote, vote Iecerint..

dont tease me now.

[curiouskarmadog]

Agar, is my "doing nothing" scummy? Why or why not.

when Iece flips scum, how will that affect your opinion? What will you be saying tomorrow if M=W flips town?

[curiouskarmadog]

Agar, I am having a deja vu moment with you right now.....

[curiouskarmadog]

M=W being scum would make me feel so good... :/

but he is not, is he?

[curiouskarmadog]

Agar, I am curious given out recent back and forth.

if you had to put a percentage on M=W being scum, what would it be?

[curiouskarmadog]

yeah, just as useless as not voting, at least you know what my fucking stance is.

also, is my vote just gut pac?...read over my posts.

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, well with Iece the only one not voting one of the two leading wagons..>I guess we know, how this day is going to end.

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, M=W was lynched??...mother fucker....cant wait to hear what Agar and pac have to say today.

now I got an issue....I have problems believing haylan's claim at this point ("I got a no result so there must be a RB"), but when the Iece wagon started anew, Iece comes out with the haylen deflection...

I also heavily pushed Iece yesterday and his wagon got a lot of steam...., yet scum felt that should off Friend, who wasnt on the wagon (mental note: go back and reread his note from the others).....ehhhhhh....not feeling Iece as strong as I once did....Iece does have a point that people should be wanting to see the claimed tracker's result before starting his wagon up.

in so many games, I kick myself at the end when I dont go with my inital gut read on a player (iece)....but I dont believe the claim and need to go back to reread how that claim came about.

SP...plum, your thoughts on the tracker claim?

[curiouskarmadog]

also slow the fuck up on the votes (-2 already).......?!?!?!

[curiouskarmadog]

@all,

a couple question, what post did Haylen claim?

@haylen,

why did you decide to target Iece last night? What was something scummy that you think he did?

[curiouskarmadog]

nm, found it.....sorry if this is a repeat question.

can you provide a link to a game that someone called you "haylie"

in reference to
"Lynch me if you like but tonight I can prove that I have a one shot track and thus also confirming that I have the Grave Digger ability."

now that you havent proved anything, thoughts?

Lol, I think the person who sent that message may be someone that knows me well enough to call me 'Haylie'. That's what I read Vezlie as. The only way I could be scum that I can think of is if I was a Godfather or if there was a mafia-framer who could target me and make me look scum. That's from a cops prospective. From a Trackers perspective...I guess it could be that Vezok targetted a town player and that Socrates knew what ability he had been given.

Yes, Vezok did use an ability on Night Two, he did not use the abilities follow up on Night Three. I understand that I am currently at serious risk of being lynched because of the dude who I replaced's actions, so this is my claim.

I am one of the Righteous, this means that I basically started out as an ordinary Vanilla Townie obviously this is also a town role. The action that Vezok received was called Grave Digger (it was from post 887). Having never heard of this ability before, I will assume that it is one of Vi's inventions. Basically, what it does is it allows the owner of it to have the potential to receive a one shot ability. The way to obtain this one shot ability is to predict who is going to die during the night, if the person with this ability is correct and the person who died is a power-role then the person with the ability with gain a one shot ability of that power role. For example, Vezok guessed that Socrates was going to die - his breadcrumbing was very obvious especially after saying Vezok was confirmed town to him. I am also going to assume that Vezok believed Socrates to have some sort of investigative role, either way, even though Socrate's died, his ability still lives on in the form of a one shot tracking ability. As I previously said, Vezok for some reason unknown to mankind (maybe he lost interest by Night Three) did not use his one shot track, so now I have control over it.

Lynch me if you like but tonight I can prove that I have a one shot track and thus also confirming that I have the Grave Digger ability.

Now, if you excuse me, I am going to do some reading to decide who I want to use this track on.

[curiouskarmadog]

(confused)

Iece, have you claimed something yet and I am missing it?

For those 3 who jumped on the Iece wagon out of the gate..

why did you not want to wait for the tracker claim..

and...given the current claims, thoughts?

Furc, can you confirm Iece's claim?

[curiouskarmadog]

also random question for smokes/lights

is there any benefit in correctly IDing you?

[curiouskarmadog]

Iece, i missed it or forgot it,....either way it wasnt a factor in my read on you yesterday...however, the quickness of your wagon today out of the gate and the choice of mafia kill bothers me (or at least gives me pause on your scum read)....so your current thoughts on Haylen after the claim?

[curiouskarmadog]

also (and I can look it up, but would rather you tell me or at least provide a post number)...why did you claim?

[curiouskarmadog]

wait a minute, your scum list is Plum and SP, who you were just voting with?...and me who strongly pushed for a Iece lynch yesterday...

bullshit.

[curiouskarmadog]

actually,

vote Chrono

....

I read your scum moves in ninja mafia like a book.....same goes for this game.

you only jumped on the Moth lynch at the end......you are not providing any content...you are backtracking your votes, but with reasoning that doesnt make any sense and throwing a wide net of "scum choices" when you were just voting with them on a quick ass wagon.

there is nothing town about your play.

[curiouskarmadog]

More likely, the scum !!!!!! controls Nightkills and doesn't have communications with the team proper, so guessing a Nightkill would come into effect. That actually seems EXTREMELY plausible.

O_O

also, this theory seems to come out of the blue.

Smoke/glows in vote count updated as of this post ~Vi

[curiouskarmadog]

I do however, think that you are just a very bad mafia player...if you flip scum in this game, I will take it back and actually give you props....but i think you are town....but are just really bad..sorry if you think this is an insult...I would take it as an insult in your shoes...but it is true.

if Furc is town, I will not be joining anymore games with him....

[curiouskarmadog]

agar, you think that haylen is stabbing in the dark...that was a fucking hell of a guess...

iece, did you crumb anywhere that you were going to do that?

[curiouskarmadog]

I do however, think that you are just a very bad mafia player...if you flip scum in this game, I will take it back and actually give you props....but i think you are town....but are just really bad..sorry if you think this is an insult...I would take it as an insult in your shoes...but it is true.

if Furc is town, I will not be joining anymore games with him....

replace out then chief

I am really quite curious, do you really have no clue why I have said the above?


no lynch is a horrible idea....

[curiouskarmadog]

Iece, i am not sure what you are asking me....

so we get some sort of benefit for figuring out who the lights/smokes are, but they cant illuminate when asking about what letter their names start with. has anyone else received any info from them?

Plum, who is scum and why? Why do you seem so "disinterested" in the game?

[curiouskarmadog]

Well at least you are not "no lynching"....

Furc, have you ever been scum (this or any other game)?

[curiouskarmadog]

I do however, think that you are just a very bad mafia player...if you flip scum in this game, I will take it back and actually give you props....but i think you are town....but are just really bad..sorry if you think this is an insult...I would take it as an insult in your shoes...but it is true.

if Furc is town, I will not be joining anymore games with him....

replace out then chief

I am really quite curious, do you really have no clue why I have said the above?

also, I will take this as a "no"...or you are just avoiding it.

[curiouskarmadog]

actually, mothrax hopped on the animorpher wagon with a terrible post. chronopie is very likely town. unvote him.

interesting, going to check to see if he as scum bussed or if any of his scum buddies bussed anyone in this game....because he is acting like that isnt a possibility in this game.

[curiouskarmadog]

wasnt pac the counter wagon of moth?

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote,

agar, does make a good arguement....want to fact check again...the only hang up for me is the shot in the dark

[curiouskarmadog]

also I dont care so much about the purple thing...i mean can you spell anyone else's name in there?.....rereading.

[curiouskarmadog]

vote Haylen.

I think Agar is right....I dont think the mod would have had a full box, especially while modding a game. but even if he did, why did Haylen assume she got a "no result". When did you send in your pick yesterday?

[curiouskarmadog]

I have never had an inbox fill or pm someone who had it filled.

I did received "no result", so I conclude that either Iecerint has a hiding ability or there is a roleblocker in the game. If that player is scum, then I was obviously targetted because of my tracking ability and not killed because that would be stupid as I could still be lynched. If that player is town then they will receive a rather pissed off response from me after the game. If that player I town, I will not ask them to make themselves known, just...don't do it again. That was a one shot.

She said she "did receive "no result""....this to me says that she got a PM that said no result

EDIT: Just realised what happened with the Vi's PM. Whenever a person's inbox fills, it says in very small writing that they're role PM's are on hold until they sort it out. Sorry, so sorry, I didn't notice this. I did get a result on Iecerint. He targetted Furcolow. Confirm or deny?

how did you finally "realize" that you had gotten a PM?

[curiouskarmadog]

3) Then, when called on it by Iec, she backtracks. Now, Vi didn't get her PM.[1]. Then she received a result shortly after and she asks, not definitively says, it was Furc.
~ Misrep. I never said that Vi didn't get my PM. I said that I didn't get one because my inbox was full, I had to delete PM's before the site would stop holding my PM's back.
4) She ANNOUNCES a day before she is breadcrumbing.
~ Yep. You're point? It's something I learnt on IRC.
5) She fucks up her own breadcrumb.
~ No. You fucked up my breadcrumb.

GO BACK AND READ WHAT I WROTE, CKD.

for three..you said "I received" a no result...not...I didnt recieve anything so I assume it was a no result.

[curiouskarmadog]

also enough of the breadcrumb..I dont really care..I believe she did correctly breadcrumb what her intentions...

AGAR, can you spell any other players in that crumb?...no...so why are you harping on that?

[curiouskarmadog]

did the mod send you an email stating that your choice had been received?

[curiouskarmadog]

email=pm

[curiouskarmadog]

what stuff?

my read on iece?...it was based on a.) the following of my vote, b.) the buddying up (when I wasnt that towny), c.) the vote off of moth (but he shifted the blame to a proxy vote)...and just a general gut read.

however, I am not feeling it today as much...


I also think the proxy vote is bullshit...take responsibility for your own vote.....it is easy to say later, "i was just following X"....

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, did anyone think that pac's iso would end in anything else BUT my vote?

that is the worst tunnel vision I have ever seen(and I have seen a lot of games).....if ask pac, EVERYONE OF MY POSTS ARE SCUMMY..

example of this, you say i am active lurking, yet completely overlook Plum and Chrono....if you compare our posts, you would see that I have provided not only more content and posts, but actual stances....I am not saying that I think the two are scum (maybe scummy), but you completely ignore that....every post you commented on, you found a reason I was scummy...

I dont think you are scum (again you were the counter wagon to moth), but you really need to open your eyes...

here is some insight into your future..

lets says the town/remaining scum reads your post and says..."hey, pac has got a point, lets lynch CKD"..I am lynched...you then find out I am town...your only input today is your fucking tunnel visioned post that took MOST OF THE DAY to do...

if you think i am scum..fine, keep your vote on me (though I have a feeling your tunnel vision foolishness is going to hurt you later)

but I would like your stances on everyone else today too...a sentence or two will be fine, but, I want to hear it.

[curiouskarmadog]

also pac, one more question, what are your thoughts on the lynch yesterday? good lynch? why or why not? (yes, i know obviously a town lynch is bad, but what information was there any info that came of it?) Also what about the counter wagon, and the speed of it today?..thoughts?

I guess that wasnt one question, but I think your stances on these items are important to have today versus tomorrow...dont you agree?

[curiouskarmadog]

Pac, you attack EVERY FUCKING LINE...that is tunnel vision, shit some of those lines I am defending a rewagon on you....and I am not going to go back and defend 90+ posts...if you have a case with 3-4 bullets, that is a place to start (to "defend")...I think you are really misguided....

looking forward to your other posts....you must really think I am scum ( you must have put an hour or more into that)...but you are just really off and really wasted your time.

curious, while typing that, did you think you were going to vote me at the end or were you taking each post for what it was?

[curiouskarmadog]

wtf?..you are still voting me???...after Haylen even?..and with no change in the %.....AND you "suddenly got to leave"?

wtf.

[curiouskarmadog]

I really dont think pac is scum, but that play is just bad.

[curiouskarmadog]

bus

a bus a that point doesnt make any sense...if Iece was town and I was scum, I would have easily jumped on his wagon at the beginning part of the day without issue..

I understand Pac's vote, but this one doesnt make any sense...

I cant say this enough, if you really are town in this game...I WILL NEVER JOIN ANOTHER GAME WITH YOU....you are just horrible.

[curiouskarmadog]

nearly. i believe iecerint is more likely scum, but also more helpful if he is town as we are essentially masons

OMFG, what?

[curiouskarmadog]

I feel like I am getting ready to get into the Furc vortex where I will only end up being pissed because nothing he says makes sense to a normal person but..

Furc, I dont think you know the difference between masons and neighbors..please wiki it. Also, how is making someone a neighbor help the town? "CKD dying and seeing Iece's alignment"..what is the fucking difference?...how will me dying help you see Iece's alignment? When I flip town that will tell you what? Iece is scum?....no...it wont...it will only tell you that I am town. This is nohting more than a set up lynch...."Well, CKD was town, so Iece must be scum"...bullshit or crazy person reasoning.

its ok, you can get in a boat, the world is not flat....its round.

[curiouskarmadog]

also for all of those out there who might be missing it...I am at -2.

[curiouskarmadog]

and another thought (just had in shower)

how did haylen know that Iece targetted Furc? She tried to use that knowledge to confirm herself.

and given than, Furc still want to push that I am a better lynch?

I didn't get a Neighborization in unf.

also, this didnt go unnoticed...the day isnt over yet..so you should have enough time to do this...go ahead and get your info in.

[curiouskarmadog]

i agree about Agar....but still not getting where all the Chrono love is coming from.

[curiouskarmadog]

I also feel comfortable mislynching once since we just got rid of a scum

speechless.

thanks for avoiding my questions, I didnt really want to get wrapped into that fucking bizzaro reasoning..

I would like a link to that game that you "won" at lylo.

[curiouskarmadog]

Ani looks extremely scummy, Chrono looks extremely townie.

@ whoever didn't understand the Chrono love...read him in iso...

that is me...i would like to hear it in your words please.

[curiouskarmadog]

I also feel comfortable mislynching once since we just got rid of a scum

thanks for avoiding my questions, I didnt really want to get wrapped into that fucking bizzaro reasoning..

ignore this, i see you did "answer" the questions.

[curiouskarmadog]

my problem with the Pac = scum theory is that he was the counter wagon to moth...given our track record, I really doubt that we nailed scum that accurately that day.

my problem with Furc = scum thoery is that, yes, he did get off the moth wagon, but if he was trying to save his buddy...he should have jumped on the pac wagon...unless they are scum together (which I doubt)

wait a minute..how many more scum do you think we are looking for now?

[curiouskarmadog]

have a feeling this will help someone vote who is "withholding" a vote.

vote SP

I'm down for a Vezo lynch at anynows.

VEZO > M=E
For Deeeath.

IEC CAN EAT IT FOR NOW THOUGH.

so much hate for Vezo(there are other posts too)...yet you never voted him..the day before you thought he was a better wagon then M=W, but the next day you decide to vote Iece instead?

think you have flown under the radar for too long..quick maybe you can OMGUS vote me and get me to -1

[curiouskarmadog]

did you vote him and I missed it? What perceptions are wrong?

[curiouskarmadog]

My town play is fucking bad.

anyway....


Plum, I will read it again....but I remember going over it before thinking, it looked like a town counter.

[curiouskarmadog]

sp, is correct he did vote him, page 24 (before I came in)....didnt look back far enough. (08/29)

Ooohhh, you must have thought he was so scummy, because…

a couple days later you are voting with him...(09/01)

Mini Vote Count:

pacman (L-3) ~ Plum, Socrates, Friend, vezokpiraka, SocioPath
Furcolow (L-5) ~ mothrax, pacman, Chronopie (animorpherv1)
Me=Weird (L-7) ~ Iecerint
mothrax (L-7) ~ AGar
Plum (L-7) ~ zwetschenwasser

Not Voting: Locke Lamora, curiouskarmadog, Me=Weird, Furcolow

Going by vote counts…you vote with him for an entire week of votes counts, until he unvotes pac, to bus moth.(09/06)

Vote Count XXI

~ A revelation!

mothrax (L-1) ~ AGar, Friend, curiouskarmadog, Iecerint, Me=Weird, Furcolow, vezokpiraka

pacman (L-5) ~ Plum, Socrates,

vezokpiraka,

SocioPath,

Furcolow

Furcolow (L-5) ~ mothrax, pacman, Chronopie
Me=Weird (L-7) ~ Locke Lamora
Plum (L-7) ~ zwetschenwasser

Maybe you want us to believe the next day you thought he was scum?

09/09

Vote Count XXVI

~ SECRET INFOS

vezokpiraka (L-2) ~ Me=Weird, pacman, AGar, Locke Lamora, Friend

pacman (L-4) ~

Friend, Furcolow,

Plum, SocioPath, vezokpiraka

Nope, you voting with that guy again you want everyone to believe you thought was scum…on Pac….who is the other wagon???....oh yeah..that guy you want everyone to believe is scummy.


calling bullshit.

[curiouskarmadog]

Oh plum, you got a point, rereading my “entering the game” posts.

Ok, got a little more time to read, typing as I am going, left off at page 10, starting page 11.

255,

Well, I have no idea about why did vezok ping into my scumdar. He has posted nothing yet
But, why did AGar vote him?

strange statement, atp in the game, I found vezok leading in scumminess.

lol (side note), my first two big posts, I had moth and vez pegged as scum.

And how come no one was bitching about my gut here

though, my gut still is screaming vezo scum

, note this was right after my moth vote.

At any rate

I don’t know…..

My gut is now screaming SP, but at one point Pac did stand out..

Unvote, vote Pac….

Plum, I hope you are not scum, apparently a lot of people think you are town…not sure why, but many do...and pac's tunnel vision attack of me was obvious planned....he didnt go into that ISO objectively...he went in attacking every fucking post...

[curiouskarmadog]

And, again, stop tunneling, and at least try to read the other guys.

now you think tunneling is bad.

[curiouskarmadog]

@CKD: lolwut?...blah blah blah

so it seems like you are trying to plead your case with that post....I thought you thought i was scummy, why are you trying to plead anything with me? My vote isnt OMGUS....I did think you were town and did after your vote on me...but I went back and read (mostly because of the vote I missed by SP) and also reread my entrance into the game again (tons of content in those first two "replacing in and reading the game" posts alone). I also reread the wagons...I found you scummy and have explained why.

Also, I asked you to give me 3-4 bullet points as to why I am scummy (you havent put forward a case)...but you failed to do so...it should have been hard because you just tunneled me in an ISO, if you really thought I was scummy, you should jump at that chance to have dialogue with me in regards to that...but you avoided it.

I do not believe you really think i am scummy....I do however, feel you have an agenda.

[curiouskarmadog]

have a feeling this will help someone vote who is "withholding" a vote.

WHOOPS.

UNVOTE
VOTE: CKD

can I say again, I would much rather this be the wagon.....

[curiouskarmadog]

2. He had some reason. Namely, he looked at what I mentioned he should look at and decided that it reflected poorly on his Townread on you.

for the record, it was just that...actually that was a small part of it.

[curiouskarmadog]

@CKD: lolwut?...blah blah blah

so it seems like you are trying to plead your case with that post....I thought you thought i was scummy, why are you trying to plead anything with me? My vote isnt OMGUS....I did think you were town and did after your vote on me...but I went back and read (mostly because of the vote I missed by SP) and also reread my entrance into the game again (tons of content in those first two "replacing in and reading the game" posts alone). I also reread the wagons...I found you scummy and have explained why.

Also, I asked you to give me 3-4 bullet points as to why I am scummy (you havent put forward a case)...but you failed to do so...

it should have been har

d because you just tunneled me in an ISO, if you really thought I was scummy, you should jump at that chance to have dialogue with me in regards to that...but you avoided it.

I do not believe you really think i am scummy....I do however, feel you have an agenda.

EDIT: ...it shouldnt have been hard....

[curiouskarmadog]

sorry for multi posts...just pissed now....but found interesting on further thought.

Vote Count XXVI

~ SECRET INFOS

vezokpiraka (L-2) ~ Me=Weird, pacman, AGar, Locke Lamora, Friend

pacman (L-4) ~

Friend, Furcolow,

Plum, SocioPath, vezokpiraka

Nope, you voting with that guy again you want everyone to believe you thought was scum…on Pac….who is the other wagon???....oh yeah..that guy you want everyone to believe is scummy.


calling bullshit.

Vote: pacman

My gut is now screaming SP, but at one point Pac did stand out..

Unvote, vote Pac….

WHOOPS.

UNVOTE
VOTE: CKD

I was pissed because the quoted is a different scenario, but then I started thinking about it from SP's POV

you JUMPED off a scum wagon (vezo) to vote with Vezo on Pac...

I jumped off your wagon, to vote with you on pac....

are you calling me a hypocrite with that vote...you must be?

.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
....think you just slipped up bud...
.
for me to be a hypocrite and the scenarios to be exact....I had to have already been on a scum wagon (yours) before switching to Pac...

thank you for making that easy SP.

sorry plum, this seems obvious at this point.

unvote, vote SP

I say both Pac and SP are scum, but SP leads the two...going with gut....

[curiouskarmadog]

again, why do you care if I think a case is "bad as it might sound"?...if you really think i am scum, of course I am going to think all cases are "bad"....I think you think the case is bad, but that is all you can come up with because I am a threat (or a perceived easy target)..


RESTATE THE CASE IF YOU HAVE ONE!!!!!!!!!...i have asked about 4 times now...if you have a case put it out there...all I see if a ISO that you obviously started as thinking I was scum and didnt read (or didnt want to read) as anything other than scum...that is called tunneling....now, i just dont know if you are town doing it or scum doing it....I am leaning scum....

[curiouskarmadog]

yes, you

are

leaning scum

, if you really believe it, then vote with Pac and SP.....if not, do something useful.

[curiouskarmadog]

times ticking down kids...

really would like to hear from Agar and Plum.

[curiouskarmadog]

Guys.

I got a glow.

Hate to break it to you, but I'm taking that as a positive sign.

Haylen got a glow too....

[curiouskarmadog]

Yeah but I've been getting mega radiance.

Also read back the glows from the last 10 votecounts and see if you see a pattern. Or multiple patterns.

I think you are town...I think the "powers that be" think you are town....please can we lynch SP instead?....I will hammer pac if needed....but would rather we go SP

[curiouskarmadog]

Pac, if you have already stated the case (like you want everyone to believe)..why not just give us a the post number?

[curiouskarmadog]

actually screw it....I have been asking for it for a week...all he does is stall...there is no case.

he has already said he thinks I am scum....but he knows there is no case other than the tunnelled ISO

unvote, vote Pac.

[curiouskarmadog]

>.<

but no NK.

THAT is the question, my friends.

yeah, how do you feel about claim time, Plum...because a.) you were fucking popular "last night", and b.) I am pretty sure you are as town as they come (now), c.) the powers that be also think you are town and d.) you were targetted by mulitple people (not giving a number yet), but can code/breadcrumb it if you so desire (before the claim)

so since, there wasnt a kill yesterday one of those people are SCUM SCUM SCUM!!!!

[curiouskarmadog]

and lets hold off on those wagons right yet....

[curiouskarmadog]

yeah yeah....will get the code/breadcrumb post out tomorrow (going to take sometime)...but would like EVERYONE to comment on if we should claim today...and why or why not it is a good or bad idea...(proof is going to be in the pudding me thinks).

I would also entertain the idea of claim light.....(did you target plum last night "yes or no", without claiming with what).....why or why not would you prefer this over a full claim..

not saying I want to do claim light, but again, interested on stances.

[curiouskarmadog]

I bet you scum are freaking the fuck out right now....lol

also, if we do claim or claim light...PLUM picks the order, I will provide my code/crumb first(before any claims)....but will only give you the decoder at the end...have a problem with that?...why or why not?

I imagine some people might.

[curiouskarmadog]

wow..

uhhh,

just have the conversation first...I want to drop the code/crumb BEFORE all claims...I will do this tomorrow.

please JUST wait...AND, go in the order please.

[curiouskarmadog]

words/names have been shortened and lengthened to protect the innocent/guilty.

41,

17

, 12,

10

- 37,

3

,

8

- 111,

321

, 10 - 12,

2

,

5b

,

4

, 60 - 41, 16 - 40,

6

, 7,

1

, 26 - 6,

5

, 1, 42

27,

2

, 16 - 54,

6, 7, 1

,

16

, 37,

56b

63,

2

, 12,

3, 5, 4

- 122, 137 - 11, 14, 15 - 4, 57,

18, 2,

42,

23b, 28b

, 1, 34

35, 25b,

1

, 23, 1,

10

, 9 - 78,

27, 31, 4

- 46, 2,

5, 2

-

384b

, 49, 4,

11b

, 24, 16

let claim light begin.

[curiouskarmadog]

ahh, fuck one correction

words/names have been shortened and lengthened to protect the innocent/guilty.

41,

17

, 12,

10

- 37,

3

,

8

- 111,

321

, 10 - 12,

2

,

5b

,

4

, 60 - 41, 16 - 40,

6

, 7,

1

, 26 - 6,

5

, 1, 42

27, 215b,

2

, 16 - 54,

6, 7, 1

,

16

, 37,

56b

63,

2

, 12,

3, 5, 4

- 122, 137 - 11, 14, 15 - 4, 57,

18, 2,

42,

23b, 28b

, 1, 34

35, 25b,

1

, 23, 1,

10

, 9 - 78,

27, 31, 4

- 46, 2,

5, 2

-

384b

, 49, 4,

11b

, 24, 16

let claim light begin.

[curiouskarmadog]

lol....lets just stop right there..

there is really no need to go any further...

[curiouskarmadog]

SP is scum...and there is no need to expose any more roles than needed!!!

[curiouskarmadog]

take out all the 3 digits numbers and you get the following (i just added them to confuse)


the code is


41,

17

, 12,

10

- 37,

3

,

8

- 10 - 12,

2

,

5b

,

4

, 60 - 41, 16 - 40,

6

, 7,

1

, 26 - 6,

5

, 1, 42.

27,

2

, 16 - 54,

6, 7, 1

,

16

, 37,

56b

.

63,

2

, 12,

3, 5, 4

- 11, 14, 15 - 4, 57,

18, 2,

42,

23b, 28b

, 1, 34.

35, 25b,

1

, 23, 1,

10

, 9 - 78,

27, 31, 4

- 46, 2,

5, 2

- 49, 4,

11b

, 24, 16




numbers represent the first letter on a page..

in the first word, 41 = T (first letter on page 41 is a T), the following number represent the amount of pages forward or backward (bolded) you have to go for the next letter....in the case of the first word...17 pages (bolded) backwards is page 24 of H...

if there is a "b" after the number, it is the last letter at the bottom of the page...

yeah...fucking stupid i know..but was hoping to trick scum into fake claiming..

anyway, the message reads.

"This was a farce to catch scum.
Not watcher
Became doctor yesterday.
Protect plum last night."

thank you for falling into the trap scum...took me a hour to make the code..but it was worth it..

vote SP

[curiouskarmadog]

I came up with the gambit...

Plum is absolutely town..that is why i kept saying yesterday everyone thought plum was town...plum must be town..powers that be think plum is town..blah blah blah.. to draw a plum kill..

you guys should have lynched SP yesterday like I wanted....now i am going to die, but we got one more..

going to review yesterday to see who made the counter wagon and who pushed pac (or anyone else for that matter) over SP....

[curiouskarmadog]

continued..

I thought this gambit, might make scum fake claim, worried that thier deeds were exposed would tried to fake claim to explain their actions.....knowing that I protected plum, I knew someone was going to try to claim something to explain why they were "watched" to plum....

awesome sauce

[curiouskarmadog]

the only other person who should claim should be Iece (to confirm you did indeed enighbor someone).

[curiouskarmadog]

Lets take a look at OCCAMS RAZOR SHALL WE?

Scum kill blocked...
Scum know they are screwed...
GAMBIT GAMBIT GAMBIT.

Funny how CKD gets Doc conveniently the same day I do.

if you think i am lying, why no vote?

[curiouskarmadog]

ooh shit...ok....should have finished reading.