Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[Furcolow]

I warded El Goosuki
MoI pushing policy lynch D1 when it should be RVS is suspicious, but he's just mad I got him lynched in ReaperCharlie's mini theme 1000.
I did not hear noise last night.

[Furcolow]

also, i'd like to add, where I didn't hear noise and I warded, this needs to be rectified somehow... makes no sense.

[Furcolow]

that's not a lie. things offset wards, as in other wards. are you dumb?

[Furcolow]

"Your action will fail if someone targets you with Ward. "

[Furcolow]

Percy, since you're hear, and you said "your ward action will not be messed with" basically... can you tell me how someone can NOT be told when they know they DIDNT hear noise and SHOULD HAVE?

you basically told me my action failed though you said "you will not be informed"
that is a little bit... um... i don't know the word... slighted?

@mod: did I hear noise last night? I warded, I should have heard noise

[Furcolow]

oh... i see the stripe now. sorry percy.

[Furcolow]

hitorogoshi, since you're the one arguing we shouldn't noise-claim, what possible benefit do you think the cult would glean from knowing who was warded on N0?

If you warded, you would have heard noise. Lynch all liars.

Vote: Furcolow

I find benefits from who heard noise and who didn't based upon ward claims, because we know who to ward and who will be potentially dying. Information for the uninformed majority is good from my perspective. I want as much information as we can get.

You need to unvote me now that the mod has rectified the situation.
If you do not unvote me, you are voting me without reason now, as it is shown I am not fucking lying.

[Furcolow]

Your action will fail if someone targets you with Ward.

If someone had warded you, you still would have heard noise.

Preview-edit: Oh, but that was a ruleset error. Cheerfully withdrawn!

Unvote

I didn't even get to preview edit this. I guess we hit submit quick enough together I didn't get to.

Sorry for the language, brosef, I didn't mean to not be brolite.

[Furcolow]

Yes.

[Furcolow]

Q: I'm a Cultist. What can I do on Night 0?
A: The first thing you should do is talk to your fellow Cultists in your quicktopic. On the first Night, you should be looking to perform Craft Fetish on multiple targets, as well as choosing Search to get Equipment that will help your side later on (such as a Resuscitation Kit)

funny that you searched for a resuscitation kit when it tells cultists to do that night 0, RC

[Furcolow]

I know that, sottyrulez, I know that. I am just making a joke. I doubt RC is a cultist this early... I mean, how can I know? What I mean here is I don't have any information regarding his alignment, so I'm just fishing/making a joke with that. I know they help. I had one in SA2, and I wish I would have used it when I stalked the last cultist or at least claimed to have used it.

@Moi: I didn't send a ward in on El Goosuki, I sent one in on a player that must have /outted, but Percy, realizing I wanted to ward, did it on the next person alphabetically. I disagree that I am not a strong town player. You are comparing my town play to my scum play. My SCUM play is not strong. my TOWN play is strong because my scum play is so weak and obvious that it makes me very easily confirmable.

Confirmable = strength for an uninformed majority. Sorry to disagree.


As a result of your continued push based upon recent evidence that I am town, I'm going to:

Vote: MoI

,
until he unvotes me, as I feel I am as close to being confirmed after a N0 as is humanly possible unless someone decided to admit they stalked someone and kill them tomorrow. If this is the case, it could be really good for us, or really bad. If they behave as confirmed town, and don't ever stalk then kill again, it could be really good for us. However, if they studder-step, and skip a night, it could really throw us off on who the person stalking and killing was. Therefore, if you all stalked, please do not carry out the kill unless you are going to kill a cultist.

Don't be greedy, guys. If you all stalked, please don't make a second kill. There are like 75% investigators, we have an easy win if you guys

don't

get selfish.

[Furcolow]

it's funny I wanted to stay out of the action, as any alignment, but I guess when I'm town I just have to man-up for the team.

[Furcolow]

I sent in Ward: Drippereth, for the record

[Furcolow]

I am eating, and going to watch family guy with my girlfriend, the wagon on me is fucking dumb if you all are investigators
some of you may not like me (kunk, moi), but the other ones on my wagon (i know there's at least one, I need to read from when I posted before in more detail, as I just skimmed to see if there was a stupid wagon on me yet) are suspicious to me.

unvote: moi

I have been thinking about it, and I feel MoI would push me regardless of alignment, because he is wrathful



um. I didn't go murderer... I was there for like 5 nights. I stalked twice, and killed NOONE. I couldn't even make a single kill, let alone two+.

[Furcolow]

and my second stalk was on the last remaining cult the night before lylo... if kunkstar and animorpher hadn't lynched me, we would have won.

[Furcolow]

I sent in Ward: Drippereth, for the record

Why? He wasn't listed on the player list either in this thread or the in the Queue thread.

Are you telling me when choosing your actions you didn't bother to actually look at the player list? This doesn't bolster your argument that you are strong as Town.

@MOD - Your rules state that if no action is sent in by the N0 deadline the player in question will Cower. Does this apply to invalid actions (ie sending a Ward in on a player not in the game)?

I saw them make a hydra account
I thought they had signed up. DGB and Ellibereth are both good players, and together.... if they're town, I wanted them alive.

Sorry that you hate me, but I am honestly town, and you kind of even admit it.

The fact you all are wagonning me so hard, and most of you are doing so simply because you don't like me, is laughable. I am town, it is obvious I am an investigator, and if you have any fucking questions just ask them instead of voting me. I would request that you make them in posts that have relatively few lines so I don't miss them.


Furthermore, since I didn't hear noise last night, and am an investigator, you all need to keep me alive even moreso. I doubt I will be night killed or even passed a fetish, and I feel I am more confirmed than most.

That makes me wonder about the people who are on my wagon.

[Furcolow]

"Whatchya talkin bout willis?"

I'm saying if someone wanted to say "I stalked ____", and then they perform the kill, they are confirmed town
I also said this could be bad if they decide to act pro-town, wait a night or two, and then stalk again when we don't expect it.
That is why I'm against that theory, though it could really benefit us to have confirmed town at all (why I'm not sure about my wagon)

vote: fate

i only know my role, so i need to preserve my role

[Furcolow]

Oh yeah.
We heard noise.

THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING I WARDED YOU.

@ the asian guy: "Could you expand on this? I'm not really sure what you're getting at here."
Fate = a wagon other than me
I don't know his role, and I know I'm good, hence I'm going to wagon someone to preserve myself and save my own neck. However, BenMage just claimed he stalked fate, so...

[Furcolow]

Read

I

between

stalked

the

Fate

lines

I HEARD NOISE LAST NIGHT AND I DID NOT WARD.

1. WAHT DOES THIS MEAN?
2. SOMEONE CLARIFY THE CULTKILL FOR ME, I THOUGHT THEY COULD RITUAL KILL SOMEONE N0?
3. WHAT IS THE PURPOSES OF FETISHES? JUST TO MAKE TOWN INSANE?

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Furcolow]

unvote

lets let benmage confirm himself imo

[Furcolow]

unvote

lets let benmage confirm himself imo

Why waste a confirmed town kill, on a confirmed cult.

This is where you need to stop being a constant VI and so people will stop advocating your policy lynch. Now revote.

because you could be bussing, whereas if you man up and get the kill yourself you are confirmed.

Furthermore, we can kill two cult that way. I will consider revoting, but can you at least admit I have a point?

[Furcolow]

hitogoroshi, other than qualms with you reiterating, I agree with your post. I should take a breather, and collect myself. Should. I'm not going to. You know why? Because it would not fit my town meta. I am very, very helpful while I am here. I am not going to be here all day, so people will be able to play while I'm away.

As for making a list, I will do that later. It is day 1, it is hard to peg anyone at this point unless they are both mutually defending one another, or are very careless like fate is being. I also believe you don't read the thread completely, as I can quote this:

When you wrote,
"Furc, you're pretty much a confirmed townie if El Goosuki heard noise. Self-preservation wagons as town are dubious in the best of times, but for you especially it's just silly. Just take a breather and try to focus on finding scum. (I see from your preview you unvoted. Good on you.)"

had you read
"

Oh yeah.
We heard noise.

THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING I WARDED YOU."?

it doesn't feel like you did.
I am inclined to agree with Benmage on Seacore/Fate

vote: fate

[Furcolow]

also fate, if you're town, you need to quit flailing

[Furcolow]

I didn't even think about getting books or a kit
I feel like an idiot
I did, however, ward a very powerful 3-headed-hydra, naming two of them (hey, 2 out of 3 isn't bad!)

@Fate/Benmage: Can you all put your dicks away, or do I need to get a ruler?

unvote

this is just dumb. This game is the pinnacle of mafia, folks, can we not ruin it with a pissing contest?

lol
I don't think fate reads rules

I did, it took awhile, and I don't remember all of it.
Are you implying there's no way I can stop Benmage from killing me?
Is there a way someone else can ward me?

Ward won't stop the kill, only stalks and fetish passing and such
I know a way we can stop him

vote benmage

[Furcolow]

however, i am not sure he is a cultist

unvote

lets pressure someone who is inactive as opposed to ripping out one anothers throats just because people rub each other the wrong way

don't make me sit you two in opposite corners, or sit your bare asses on my knees for a spanking

[Furcolow]

you didnt let me get to my point, benmage, don't interrupt me asshole

[Furcolow]

well, we can work this out. he doesn't have to carry out the kill.

[Furcolow]

also, the fact benmage is claiming stalk but trying to wagon fate makes him not confirmed town to me
makes him actually lean scum. why would town want to wagon the person they stalked? that's counter-productive.

[Furcolow]

at this point i'm considering stalking and killing benmage if he doesnt carry out his kill
waste your vig....... on a cult.......
you don't fucking need it, there are 75% investigators, you're not a fucking hero

what insanity did you take?
if you don't kill fate tonight, or try to, i'm going to stalk and kill you or push your lynch d2 if i hear noise from a fetish due to your cult-buddies crafting one on me to ritual me... too bad the ritual resolves at the end of the night for you... so maybe i won't need to push you on d2.

honestly, though, your strategy would be good if you would carry out the kill
perhaps you're right, and someone like VP Baltar who is cult and got a res kit can save fate, but even then that takes away from their potential to be performing the ritual, crafting fetishes, or robbing graves for dust. It is not completely negative to do that. Also, is res even 100%?

@Hitogoroshi

it's the wards counteract other wards
trust me on this
same as SA2. It only roleblocks fetishes, stalks, and perhaps another thing or two... not kills, or rituals.


I don't give a fuck if benmage is town, or if he is not town. I want him to carry out his kill, otherwise, we are letting him off the hook way too easy for claiming stalk on d1.

Claimed stalk on d1 is wasted unless carried out on N1.

[Furcolow]

BenMage you are not confirmed unless you carry out your vig

[Furcolow]

lol

[Furcolow]

no. you are carrying out your fucking stalk. you already hurt your lynch threshold when you should have taken something like solist so you can just have a res kit since books and checking for blood are generally fucking useless.

to me, you are the VI, not me, especially if you are going against the simple A.B.C. of this stalk-kill-profit method where you can be confirmed town.

I don't give a fuck if they have to waste manpower ressing fate. 1 of them ressing = only 6/7 of them having actions which drops them by 15% power honestly so that's not that fucking bad either ben

[Furcolow]

can you all please stop?

[Furcolow]

Mod: I believe Fate either needs to be replaced, or be given a severe warning. His posts are breaking the civility line a lot.

Furcolow, I can vote you right back. You are high on my scumlist.


1...2....3....4....5....6...7...8 times I got ninja'd.

i am fucking confirmed
do you read?
honestly
do you fucking read?

[Furcolow]

go back and read the thread bowser

[Furcolow]

no. you are carrying out your fucking stalk. you already hurt your lynch threshold when you should have taken something like solist so you can just have a res kit since books and checking for blood are generally fucking useless.

to me, you are the VI, not me, especially if you are going against the simple A.B.C. of this stalk-kill-profit method where you can be confirmed town.

I don't give a fuck if they have to waste manpower ressing fate. 1 of them ressing = only 6/7 of them having actions which drops them by 15% power honestly so that's not that fucking bad either ben

respond to this ben

[Furcolow]

i am fucking confirmed
do you read?
honestly
do you fucking read?

Hi, explain how you are confirmed in anyway...the use of "fucking" doesn't prove anything.

I warded drippereth (actually el goosuki... i didn't know they added a 3rd head)
the rules stated i should have heard noise
i asked the mod, why did i not hear noise?
the mod then striped out the hearing noise due to ward rule
el goosuki then confirmed they heard noise from me

i am very close to being confirmed even if i am not

[Furcolow]

no. you are carrying out your fucking stalk. you already hurt your lynch threshold when you should have taken something like solist so you can just have a res kit since books and checking for blood are generally fucking useless.

to me, you are the VI, not me, especially if you are going against the simple A.B.C. of this stalk-kill-profit method where you can be confirmed town.

I don't give a fuck if they have to waste manpower ressing fate. 1 of them ressing = only 6/7 of them having actions which drops them by 15% power honestly so that's not that fucking bad either ben

respond to this ben

[Furcolow]

no. you are carrying out your fucking stalk. you already hurt your lynch threshold when you should have taken something like solist so you can just have a res kit since books and checking for blood are generally fucking useless.

to me, you are the VI, not me, especially if you are going against the simple A.B.C. of this stalk-kill-profit method where you can be confirmed town.

I don't give a fuck if they have to waste manpower ressing fate. 1 of them ressing = only 6/7 of them having actions which drops them by 15% power honestly so that's not that fucking bad either ben

respond to this ben

But they res him, and I gain another insanity...and now everyones like woah is fate town..did ben lie...woah woah wine wine..instead of lynching him, lynching cult, and saving my insanity. Because the following night... what do you think i'm gonna do?

Doesn't a cult only have to resuscitate fate to save him? And easy move. Aint it even suggested by Percy.

BUT THEN THEY LOSE 15% OF THEIR POWER TO CRAFT FETISHES/PARTICIPATE IN THE RITUAL DUMBASS

[Furcolow]

no. you are carrying out your fucking stalk. you already hurt your lynch threshold when you should have taken something like solist so you can just have a res kit since books and checking for blood are generally fucking useless.

to me, you are the VI, not me, especially if you are going against the simple A.B.C. of this stalk-kill-profit method where you can be confirmed town.

I don't give a fuck if they have to waste manpower ressing fate. 1 of them ressing = only 6/7 of them having actions which drops them by 15% power honestly so that's not that fucking bad either ben

respond to this ben

But they res him, and I gain another insanity...and now everyones like woah is fate town..did ben lie...woah woah wine wine..instead of lynching him, lynching cult, and saving my insanity. Because the following night... what do you think i'm gonna do?

Doesn't a cult only have to resuscitate fate to save him? And easy move. Aint it even suggested by Percy.

BUT THEN THEY LOSE 15% OF THEIR POWER TO CRAFT FETISHES/PARTICIPATE IN THE RITUAL DUMBASS

Uhhhh to save a partner...clearly worth it, lol.

if 21 investigators inhibit them 15% everytime... HMM I WONDER.
It's not clearly worth it for them, it is clearly worth it for us from my perspective.
5/7 will be needed for them to even kill past a res, like if I ressed VP Baltar and they ritualled him... it wouldn't work (I don't have a res kit, unfortunately) unless they had 5/7. Where they would have to have 1/7 ressing fate, assuming fate is even cult, then that would leave them to either pick someone to kill who didn't claim they heard noise (otherwise they are likely to be ressed and require 5/7 to go one up on the res via ritual), or they will only have 1 person crafting fetishes, and that one person can only make 2 or gain an insanity which hurts cult that way as well..

therefore, it is even above 15% in terms of inhibiting them, as they have to either run the risk of losing their NK, gaining an insanity if they want a 3rd fetish crafted, or play stupidly.



wow i agree with hitogoroshi so much here
he kind of beat me to it, even if i was typing it when he did so. he missed a few points, but he hit the nail on the fucking head.


kudos hitogoroshi. love you bro.

[Furcolow]

Um, I haven't even read this back and forth yet, but both of you shut the fuck up. Seriously. You hate each other outside of the game and this is useless jabbering unrelated to alignments, as much as you are telling yourself it is.

qft

[Furcolow]

Did Benmage ever say what insanity he gained? (There's way too much posting going on right now.)

suicidal
his lynch-threshold is lowered by one
perhaps he just crafted three fetishes, though.

[Furcolow]

anyone care to find out which it is?
^^

[Furcolow]

15 votes on someone is going to be a tall order

MoI address post #180 (if you want to do something useful)

[Furcolow]

ben, if you don't expect to make it to endgame, it should give you even more reason to kill him

[Furcolow]

ben, if you don't expect to make it to endgame, it should give you even more reason to kill him

I just said I'll do it. But I didn't hear noise, so clearly I'll be alive a little longer.

Well, it's all good man. You need to just calm down and act like Fate doesn't exist. It would help the town even more than confirming you... possibly..

[Furcolow]

15 votes on someone is going to be a tall order

MoI address post #180 (if you want to do something useful)

[Furcolow]

I would like all investigators to read my post #180, especially MoI, and address it/take a stance on whether or not benmage should kill fate.

I'll tally a vote. Should BenMage kill Fate N1?
I vote yes.

yes: (1/28)
no: (0/28)
not voting: (27/28)

[Furcolow]

please vote on benmage going through with the kill
a simple yes or no doesnt take much energy
i want this to be gone over as a town. it is obviously the most pressing issue.

[Furcolow]

Of course my opinion is best only I know myself to be town.

Err I hate phone posting...at work now....I only know my alignment, not others so I don't adhere usually to other influences....and yes I think highly of my abilities.

so you're claiming the majority is not going to be town? when you say that you "don't adhere to other influences", if the entire player list voted, it would be 75% town. It would also show us alignment based upon voting, and this issue is very polarizing so it would help us get information.

encouraging you all to vote on whether or not he should do the kill

[Furcolow]

i can clarify the ward action...
warding = you don't hear noise
getting warded = you hear noise
warding someone who is warding = counteracting wards
warding prevents actions listed in terms of roleblocking, but is not a cure-all roleblock. it does not prevent murders/rituals.

[Furcolow]

for what? why do you want him to ward? he cant prevent anything but fetishes and shit. do wards resolve before kills? im going to go look.

[Furcolow]

oh, nice, ward is numero uno.
yeah, fate, ward or res plz

[Furcolow]

Someone needs to clarify whether ward is moreso a RB or a doc protect, as this head here read it as a doc protect.

resuscitate is a doc protect (somewhat, cult can use dust or 2/3rds of their numbers [rounded up] to ritual and make it require two res to protect). Ward isn't RB except on CERTAIN actions. I addressed this. Learn to read.

i can clarify the ward action...
warding = you don't hear noise
getting warded = you hear noise
warding someone who is warding = counteracting wards
warding prevents actions listed in terms of roleblocking, but is not a cure-all roleblock. it does not prevent murders/rituals.

no kidding, though, this was like two posts above yours.

[Furcolow]

Ward can only rb Stalk, Craft Fetish, and Pass Fetish if I recall correctly. (I think you can ward a dead person too )

yeah, for rob grave, i forgot about that.
also, we need to pick people to rob graves. I elect benmage, as he already has an insanity.

[Furcolow]

Of course my opinion is best only I know myself to be town.

Err I hate phone posting...at work now....I only know my alignment, not others so I don't adhere usually to other influences....and yes I think highly of my abilities.

so you're claiming the majority is not going to be town? when you say that you "don't adhere to other influences", if the entire player list voted, it would be 75% town. It would also show us alignment based upon voting, and this issue is very polarizing so it would help us get information.

encouraging you all to vote on whether or not he should do the kill

... The rules never said how many people are scum

VOTE: Furcolow

From what I have seen of Benmage v Fate, I do not think that Benmage should kill Fate. It is true that they will continue bickering, but I would prefer not to have town killed by something as stupid as the fact that 2 players don't like each other. If anything I think it is scummy that Benmage is trying to use that logic.

Please tell me if I have anything wrong about the relationship between the two, as I just did a quick skim over what has happened.

it was 1/4th last time
percy is the same guy
i assumed it was 1/4th this time

you guys need to learn to think

@aurorusvox

"If he crafted a fetish on Fate, even if Fate died, how would we know it was a murder and not a Ritual that had taken place?"

kills have flavor......................

[Furcolow]

i can clarify the ward action...
warding = you don't hear noise
getting warded = you hear noise
warding someone who is warding = counteracting wards
warding prevents actions listed in terms of roleblocking, but is not a cure-all roleblock. it does not prevent murders/rituals.

Thought my hearing noise was a side-effect of my warding RC. I heard noise.

ok, good.

RC you ok with ressing rewq?

also, i'm not going murderer. i like to fucking win.

[Furcolow]

if 21 investigators inhibit them 15% everytime... HMM I WONDER.
It's not clearly worth it for them, it is clearly worth it for us from my perspective.
5/7 will be needed for them to even kill past a res, like if I ressed VP Baltar and they ritualled him... it wouldn't work (I don't have a res kit, unfortunately) unless they had 5/7. Where they would have to have 1/7 ressing fate, assuming fate is even cult, then that would leave them to either pick someone to kill who didn't claim they heard noise (otherwise they are likely to be ressed and require 5/7 to go one up on the res via ritual), or they will only have 1 person crafting fetishes, and that one person can only make 2 or gain an insanity which hurts cult that way as well..

therefore, it is even above 15% in terms of inhibiting them, as they have to either run the risk of losing their NK, gaining an insanity if they want a 3rd fetish crafted, or play stupidly.

^All of this is well thought out. Could be a little too well thought out - I'm thinking that this "5/7" would spring to a cultist's mind quicker than it would to a townie. Overall though, I think Furcolow has started the game sided with the town. Whether or not he has intentions of becoming a killer later, I'm not sure...

Or, I could be a smart Investigator, who read the fucking rules, and has a brain....... i wonder....

[Furcolow]

sorry for quad post, but i want to rectify a few things:

1) sorry to be so abrasive, but you all feel lost when I'm typically the lost-VI
2) I feel as if I understand the game completely, or moreso than others, however, even if not completely
3) We need to coordinate who we should lynch, our actions tomorrow night, and get more information on who heard noise
Q) What are everyones' thoughts on everyone stalking and killing one person? I feel this could help the town.

[Furcolow]

on 2), address why the fuck i've been the one having to tell people how actions resolve and shit, then, kunk...
i am kind of against the Q i asked myself, but it could end in a quick win, you know that right?
only reason *I* am against it, is not murderers, but because of chaos.

good post rewq, beat me to it.
we could have benmage rob graves after he kills fate though... or just have a few graverobbers unwarded, but then those in the ward circle could rob graves when needed... we need to see flips, or i wouldnt care. actually, we could randomly choose to ward gravesights when we please to prevent them from getting dust and not worry about flip... but then we would be stuck in WIFOM land with basically janitorized roles.

[Furcolow]

@benmage why arent u at work

[Furcolow]

addict!

also, rc, consider protecting wickedestjr

(or anyone who acquired res kit)

[Furcolow]

@Furcolow: Why would you suggest something you are against?

I am on the fence on the question I proposed. It could REALLY win the game for us, or it could turn us into zombies if noone launders. If people promise to launder, then I would be for it.

[Furcolow]

Funny thing, your slot suggested the same thing SA2. It won't be implemented in this game for the same reason it was opposed in the last game. Updating xvart's chart.

coincedence? I THINK NOT.

[Furcolow]

kills have flavor

Then I'm for testing Benmage's kill.

@Aurora fate prob. Did whatever the cult wanted him to do.

Why would he PTW for cult, but not for town?

There's a problem with warding/rezzing in circles, and that's if the cult uses the Greater Ritual, since it would take two rezzes to stop the kill going through.

takes 5/7, totally worth it

@Rc, what should I get out of your post?
RC, consider ressing wickedestjr or rewq

@kunk, what do you mean? are you saying that as "advice for later", or what? I have nothing on my chest right now

[Furcolow]

just because your brolite and calling me a brofessional does not mean that you are bro-town

@rc: i sent my pm to him on what i was doing days ago
he probably didnt even pm me my list of possible actions as he had mine in already

now answer my questions or ill vote you

[Furcolow]

omg. you're* plus that was directed at spyrex obviously

[Furcolow]

The list of possible actions that night were in your Role PM. You are saying that you passed in your action before you received your Role PM?

oh. i didn't even look through it. i saw investigator, and i knew people warded n0 in sa2 so i wanted to help

[Furcolow]

I haven't had a chance to bro-up because I missed enough time for madness to start spewing all over everything.

Yo yo RC what makes you think either of the chuckleheads are scum?

are u trying to get a brolliance with me/rc?
im so up for that

vote: seacore

lets get this pahtay stahted!

[Furcolow]

I ISOed Seacore and he doesn't seem that scummy.

benmage was basically spewing shit, but i had a gut-read that benmage was actually correct believe me or not

it might be because i'm a

terrible

player

[Furcolow]

andrius, when you stalk and kill someone only once
or when you are polarized through interaction with cult who have died and had their graves robbed

[Furcolow]

their spammy fight does not mean they are cult
though, if they are both cult, bravo

[Furcolow]

youre really being helpful

[Furcolow]

272 is really dry and didn't have any information with it
what was your action n0 andrius?

[Furcolow]

there is no trainwreck
i am town
if you feel i am not town, let me address it in a short post as opposed to a fucking wall of text i probably wont read

[Furcolow]

rc, how come you buddy up to me, yet cast suspicions i'm confirmed?
i'll be the first to admit i'm not confirmed to anyone but myself, though
i am still going to win this game for the town regardless of whether or not im confirmed. feel free to ride my coattails

i didnt read the rules to get 7 scum
i did 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 = 28 so there are 7 scum
i knew it was 1/4th
it was 1/4th last time
that's why i've been saying there are 75% investigators

i also got the 5/7 cultists for elevated ritual stat... so i'm obviously decent at picking math out of rules...

i'm eyeballing everyone who is halfway trying to cast suspicion on me (fate, rc)
if someone (like andrius) is completely fucking against me, though, they are probably town
scum are a little nervous to wagon the most confirmed, which isn't confirmed, and whoever said there wasn't a gray-area needs to re-analyze how to play this game, especially in lylo situations where you have to grasp at the grass to not fall off the cliff.

ebwop: sort of agreeing with aurorusvox, but his posts so far have been squirmy, so i'm suspicious of him

[Furcolow]

nice post, plummy
glad the vig-goddess has sprung up her head
as for the "boys, go to your room, bit", i'm going to do just that for the moment.

I am positive ward was correct n0, but what action should I be looking to perform? searching for things? other than obtaining a res kit and becoming a medic, I'm not sure what I should do. Suggestions, plum?

unvote
vote: bowser

[Furcolow]

im happy with my vote on bowser
following plum is my new favorite mafia hobby
thanks for thinking of me as the most pro-town
if we form an alliance plum is in or i am out
i believe she has been the most pro-town so far, not myself
i haven't seen her as scum, yet, to my knowledge though.

plum, do you have a game as scum you would share with me?


"Your reasoning fails in one thing: participating in a ritual is a free action. Unless the cult is somehow dysfunctional, there is nothing to stop them all from participating in the ritual, and doing something else the same night."

I didn't know this. I guess I have to admit that guy who got really angry at that other guy is probably right, but that does not mean that he wouldn't try to flake on his duty if he was scum.


lol. i agree with hito,
why is he scum rc?

oh. i don't like feysal's vibe either. wagon?
yeah i liked that post


furthermore ebwop: hito is right. I was just listing non-warded people who heard noise for you to res

[Furcolow]

hahahaha

[Furcolow]

my one liners are coupled with posts of awesomeness and content

[Furcolow]

If they want to replace out of SA3 they shouldn't be here in the first place. I don't find laughter to be anti-town.
Are you claiming laughter is anti-town?

@percy: OK, what if there are two murders, one resuscitate, and one ritual on the same slot?
murdered, right?

[Furcolow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0df6sQJCKY

[Furcolow]

sorry for that:)

[Furcolow]

deja vu
nice dancing pic
hot rod wouldn't be nearly as good of a movie without that scene
i prefer solist, if i had to pick one.

[Furcolow]

I don't have to try to play my town meta
I don't care that players like you, xvart, MoI, or Andrius are haters. At all.

MOI was afraid of me when we were both online, and Xvart as well. They would rather attack me WAY after the fact, while I'm away.
I'm not sure if you're doing the same thing. I feel like you are just parroting, BS.

[Furcolow]

anyways, honestly, even if I'm not confirmed to you all I am 71.4% confirmed so ...

[Furcolow]

actually, 74.07%, sorry.

[Furcolow]

am i voting seacore?

vote: seacore

[Furcolow]

percy doesnt need to answer. i can answer. warding dripping goofball/ellibereth rounds up obviously
i was over half right
sue me
leave percy alone, lets have a good game. this game is complex, but you all are not children.

baby spice, you are about to bring out the ad hom in me

[Furcolow]

how am i so polarizing
i get pro-town and FoS in back to back posts
i don't see how you all don't love me

[Furcolow]

if you do that, however, i promise to push for your lynch now as opposed to later, mina.

@mod did drippereth ever post in the signup list?

[Furcolow]

I also am against endorsing this behavior out of the player-mod dynamic of the game. I hate to stoop to this level.
I feel dirty to even have to do this, but it is unfair. I did not just "make up" Drippereth. I remember thinking "damn, drippereth will be good if they're town". I read the rules BEFORE there was a d0 thread. I didn't worry about D0 AT ALL. I made sure to send my action in, and started when the lynch started. Anyone focused on D0 too much is likely cult.

[Furcolow]

n0 d0 whatever

[Furcolow]

/reserve spot.
Might be in hydraaa.

AND THEN

/reserve spot.
Might be in hydraaa.

OHHAI

AND THEN

Depends on the market value of a soul I suppose. I would guess right now in this economy, it's less than the world.

>_>
Good point. Let's use James Bond logic and say THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH.

what in the living daylights are you talking about?

AND THEN DGB confirmed the 3rd head AFTER my last post in said signup thread.
Sorry to sound like the Chinese lady on "Dude Where's my Car?"

[Furcolow]

@wickedestjr, I replaced in at like page 80, and followed the path Adel and Haylen had set for me.
I might have gone murderer, at that time, as I hadn't been 3rd party.
I have been 3rd party now, offsight, as a ninja which was a sort of vig/detective hybrid
I killed the last ninja as he killed me (it was a PM game, so we both sort of cheated... him moreso)

Then, sure, perhaps. It's not good to dwell on the past.
Now is what we need to be worried about, and there is no way in hell I'm going to do that NOW.
If the cult start killing my brothers and sisters, however, I may have to use a 1-shot-vig.

[Furcolow]

Let us not slip into fear of the monsters, though, or we may become monsters ourselves as seen in M Night Shamalayan's "The Village"

[Furcolow]

go read the signup thread and see for your fucking self babyspice
you are a fucking idiot

i last posted there at 3:19
DGB changed it from drippereth at fucking 4pm like an hour later
moron

[Furcolow]

i'm not lying.
go read the signup thread and the last time i checked it
i checked it like an hour before it closed
why would i need to look back on the fucking player list? it's fucking DGB and Ellibereth. I'm all over warding that even without katsuki.

[Furcolow]

this vote is more because of me accusing you after percy's post, mina.
Faraday is going to be so fucking pissed at you for associating yourself to seacore, and baby spice is so scum-VI he reminds me of vezokpiraka

[Furcolow]

errr "she", whatever.

[Furcolow]

if you do that, however, i promise to push for your lynch now as opposed to later, mina.

@mod did drippereth ever post in the signup list?

QFT

[Furcolow]

if seacore is scum, so is lost butterfly and babyspice

[Furcolow]

Strongly suspecct Beenmage and Fate to

both be investigators

but

Ben is most definately not town.

Um...

...

...

.....

.........................................

...

yeah

. *brain explodes*

vote: mina

FOS LOST BUTTERFLY
FOS SEACORE
FOS BABYSPICE
FOS that fuck who defended seacore earlier who i cant put my finger on but will have to find

[Furcolow]

and yes i know "mina" is technically not a player slot. if they're posting, i should be able to vote for them.

[Furcolow]

no shit, sherlock.
dont interrupt greatness

[Furcolow]

Mina is lost butterfly you fucking dope.

flail more caught scum

[Furcolow]

they posted in the signup thread before i saw they added katsuki, so yes. thanks for seeing the similarity, even if you are being a facetious fucking scum.

[Furcolow]

I'll be "technical"

unvote;
VOTE: LOST BUTTERFLY

BECAUSE OF MINA

[Furcolow]

this is really reading to me as "lets get the guy who caught multiple scum and is nearly-confirmed town modkilled by provoking him"
@

Percy

, can you get them to stop badgering me? This is really crossing the line.

[Furcolow]

/reserve spot.
Might be in hydraaa.

AND THEN

/reserve spot.
Might be in hydraaa.

OHHAI

AND THEN

Depends on the market value of a soul I suppose. I would guess right now in this economy, it's less than the world.

>_>
Good point. Let's use James Bond logic and say THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH.

what in the living daylights are you talking about?

AND THEN DGB confirmed the 3rd head AFTER my last post in said signup thread.
Sorry to sound like the Chinese lady on "Dude Where's my Car?"

QFT before I got 3 scummy ass votes on me.

[Furcolow]

Apparently, this is one of those towns where everyone's super-paranoid about sharing their town reads so as not to help scum with their nightkill, so I won't go into all of mine, but to those still voting Furc...come

on

. Him being a cultist implies a level of sophistication and calculation that he hasn't demonstrated in the thread. Let's break this down:

-Furc claimed to have warded someone.
-He is then surprised he didn't hear noise, and comes up with outlandish conspiracy theories as to why it didn't work. So clearly, he thought that players were SUPPOSED to hear noise after warding.
-Instantly, Percy/Vi comes forward and says there was a mistake in the rules.
-Furc then says, totally nonchalantly, that he tried to target Drippereth, and comes up with a ridiculous theory that his target was redirected in alphabetical order, because it DIDN'T EVEN OCCUR TO HIM that there was a connection between him warding Drippereth and El Goosuki being warded.
-El Goosuki confirms he heard noise, resulting in it being close to confirmed that Furc warded Elli, which is a suboptimal move for a cultist who could have got away with Searching. (Also, the more expendable cultists--read: someone likely to be policy lynched--are more likely to be sent out to craft fetishes rather than perform "townish" looking actions.)
-He then acts with total confidence that he's confirmed town, tries to lead the town, and spams the thread with harebrained plans.

Even though I disagree with 90% of everything Furcolow's said so far, he's soooooo easy to read. I doubt he'd be this active and confident and free were he actually scum. Again...have you guys read a single post Furcolow has written all game? If he were that much of a Machiavellian schemer, his ideas wouldn't be so outlandish in the first place.

I tend toward paranoid conspiracy theories, and yet Cultist!Furcolow is paranoid even for me. And it's important to establish that Furcolow should not be lynched unless something major happens, because it's happened to me several times that I bring up strong evidence in favour of a VI, and then after my death everyone ignores it and lynches the VI anyway.

Also, I think it's much scummier to subtly discredit someone's "confirmed" status than try to confirm oneself. Magna/xvart/VP Baltar/AurorusVox/kunkstar, I'm looking straight in your direction.

Mod: would targeting an account belonging to a player in the game work even if it wasn't the account in the player list? Also, would you inform someone if he targeted a player not in the game?

Let's play hypotheticals.

If I received an action that was ambiguous or contradictory (as to what action was selected, who was the target, or they tried to double-

Search

or whatever), I would send a clarification PM. If I were to receive no reply, the player would default to

Cower

.

If, however, there is a technical error but

no ambiguity

, I will accept the action as-is. An example would be someone who submitted the

Night Action

Search:

Forensic Kit

There is no item by this name, but the intention (

Forensic

Tools

) is clear.


On an unrelated note, I urge those of you who are playing with hydra accounts to use them to post. It is important for players who wish to use the ISO function to quickly find your content. If you

do

post in your regular account, post a message from your hydra account directly after it with the text "Sorry, please merge previous post with this one" or words to that effect. I'll come through and copy-paste the content into the hydra account post.

Warding a player NOT in the game is certainly not a technical error and something that come across as not being ambiguous.

Thus furcolow's fucking lying isn't he?

Unvote Vote Furcolow

you are a fucking liar
you post on your fucking alternate account to bend the fucking rules. You say youre looking at xvart, vp baltar, and whoever the fuck else you want to look at for voting me when "im confirmed", then you vote me your fucking self. You shouldn't "look at them" you should look at your self because you are hypocritical, breaking LAL, and honestly.... pot...kettle.

[Furcolow]

===============================================================

4) Seacore

I haven't been enamoured of the Seacore wagon (having seen him as bumbling town in AGoT Mafia). That said...

I like the case on furcolow, I must have missed the case on Fate, so I'll revisit.

Um...why do you like the case on him?

You don't follow up on the Furcolow case once after this. It looks like easy wagoning.

Either way, you've behaved incredibly anti-town and, assuming nobody digs themselves in deeper, I'd be happy to see you hang for it.

Please elaborate on this.

Do you realize that the antitown action Benmage ostensibly committed--stalking Fate--could have only happened IF BENMAGE IS TOWN?

Do you think Benmage is scum or just a townie playing badly? What do you think his scum motivation is for playing this way?

Thank you

Mina

Lost Butterfly

Okay, it's true, I didn't follow up on the Furcolow thing, but I also didn't vote for him. Yeah, that doesn't count for too much, but I was out all day in between the early posts and the late ones. At the time, it seemed he'd been caught in a lie. Now that seems unlikely. I was also distracted by the Fate/Benmage lovers tiff.

Also, when I did my reread (true, it was a skim) I noticed somebody waiting for a mod clarification on Fur, and I was kinda waiting for that.

On the other matter, you are confusing Town with Investigator. These two things are not the same.
"Town" = Investigators who stay true to their win condition and do not seek to become murderers.
I declare that, in the case that Benmage is telling the truth about his stalk, then he is an investigator, but he is not town.
In the event that he is "Town", he's a crap one who is willing to commit anti-town acts.

It is the job of "Town" to not just kill cultists, but to also kill murderers. In this latter group I would also include investigators who seem to want to become murderers.

I'd like to emphasise that last point because a lot of people seem to have missed it.

Investigator does not equal "Town" in the usual sense.
"Town" + "Wannabe murderers" = Investigators

seacore is "town" and is associating himself with

mina

lost butterfly in this post

[Furcolow]

Find a chill pill and take it,

Then empty the rest of the bottle into your mouth.

um.... you cannot legally tell me to commit suicide

[Furcolow]

I'm satisfied that Furcolow has been caught

Vote Furcolow

caught doing what? warding someone? when are you going to look at the action itself as opposed to semantics?
you won't answer this, because you are bad at being scum
you need to let the better scum like lost butterfly/mina do the talking
faraday much less so

[Furcolow]

Lost Butterfly you lied
You posted on Mina basically to solely bend the rules in your favor because the mod was nice enough to let you Hydra. He has warned you, and is being too nice about this whole thing. You then say "furcolow is confirmed", in an ELABORATE post, then you vote me yourself a page later. You shouldn't "look at them" you should look at yourself because you are lying and we as a town need to lynch liars. Even posting on your hydra itself is a lie and is rubbing salt on a wound that you all are inflicting upon me in tandem... i'm talking to Lost Butterfly/Baby Spice/Seacore because they are all scum.

You are not town. You are cult. So is your "chum". You're admitting to being chummy with them, good job for admitting youre scummy with them.

[Furcolow]

@PERCY DID YOU CHANGE MY ACTION TO EL GOOSUKI, YES OR NO?

[Furcolow]

im not asking you to say I warded him, just that YOU CHANGED MY ACTION'S PLAYER NAME. semantics.

[Furcolow]

wow, this is really similar to adel/hayker and last game..... totally new cycle. Hopefully I don't have to be replaced
Lost Butterfly, quit trolling, please. It is not becoming of you.

I also like how you used the word "us". You'll just ACT like you were talking about your hydra, but I know what you meant. You meant your scum-cult-team. Who is on it besides Seacore/Baby Spice? Hmm?

[Furcolow]

IF SOMEONE SENT IN FORENSICS TOOLS INSTEAD OF FORENSICS KIT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN?
SEMANTICS.

[Furcolow]

^scum
^^scum

[Furcolow]

"Do you think he is scum or are you just following? Do you vote anyone that hasn't been voted first by someone else? "
is there another vote on who I am currently voting? Do you read?
Mina is so obviously scum. Do you read VP Baltar?

[Furcolow]

go read the signup thread and see for your fucking self babyspice
you are a fucking idiot

i last posted there at 3:19
DGB changed it from drippereth at fucking 4pm like an hour later
moron

(I remember Elibereth in the signup thread claiming a spot as Drippereth but stopped paying attention to it not long after.)

So it might have been DGB not Ellibereth.
Doesn't matter.
but you've just abused about the one person (I believe) who says they saw Drippereth in the signup thread

you are a fucking idiot

qft.

Previed edit

Madam Butterfly also commented on Drip and lo is being attacked by Furcolow.

Flail much?

You are taking that completely out of context. It had a bolded question to the mod what is implicating me. Furthermore, I cleared that up in my #405, need I QIFT?

[Furcolow]

I retract my statement about BabySpice, though. Null-VI is now my read on her.
I am still suspicious of Mina and Faraday's slot, and Seacore.

[Furcolow]

I can.
I warded "Drippereth". "Drippereth" had posted on October 16th in the signup thread, after Ellibereth had RESERVED A SLOT.
"El Goosuki" was born AFTER I didn't check the signup thread. I had no fucking idea. I sent my action in really early on N0, and had read the rules. I didn't NEED TO LOOK BACK.

[Furcolow]

though, d1, admittedly, i looked back. I didn't see Drippereth. I said "WTF?". I figured percy moved my to the next alphabetically, which happened to be El Goosuki. I had NO FUCKING IDEA they were the same people.

[Furcolow]

MY WARD.

[Furcolow]

I was responding both to her concerns and to her confusion between "Investigator" (which is a role) and "Town" (which is a choice of alignment).

Damn, I knew I'd seen someone say that. It sort of explains what I was trying to say about Benmage. Investigator (Role) but not town (Alignment).

you guys are really bad at being "scum"

[Furcolow]

I was responding both to her concerns and to her confusion between "Investigator" (which is a role) and "Town" (which is a choice of alignment).

Damn, I knew I'd seen someone say that. It sort of explains what I was trying to say about Benmage. Investigator (Role) but not town (Alignment).

*WHISPER WHISPER* LOL

[Furcolow]

i retract my retraction if that isn't obvious.......................... lol

[Furcolow]

anyways, back on track.
Sure, we might be sure of 3 scum, but let's look at who defended the seacore push early. I'm going to look back on that.

[Furcolow]

Seacore is town though.

sorry I ever questioned you benmage
4th caught scum

[Furcolow]

Actually, Seacore is very town..

[Furcolow]

busted twice lol

[Furcolow]

thread asplosion of IDIOCY.

this post is very helpful
a diamond in the rough, really

[Furcolow]

272's pretty cool, who's scum?

you.

[Furcolow]

also, fate's #284 misquoted so many of my lines, he even took the time to bold one himself and act like it was his own.

[Furcolow]

You are taking that completely out of context. It had a bolded question to the mod what is implicating me. Furthermore, I cleared that up in my #405, need I QIFT?

Hang on, are you saying that I'm quoting myself out of context?

and how the hell does #405 clear up you abusing the people who saw Drippereth in the signup thread?

sigh...
why would you quote yourself? you quoted me out of context. Obviously.
#405 PROVES that I didn't know their hydra changed names/gained a player

ADD IN that I thought he changed my shit alphabetically.......... I was fucking surprised to see my ward action PM say El Goosuki, lets just say that. They heard noise. They won't end up dead, or have any fetishes passed to them. Unvote me.

[Furcolow]

I didnt fucking lie

[Furcolow]

@MOD, did you give me any sort of "clarification email" when I sent in the target of my action, notifying me, or did you simply send in a PM stating that I had done my action to my intended target?

Private messages are not for public consumption. ~Mod.

[Furcolow]

sorry, i just received a pm from the mod stating i need to take a breather. I am going to be V/LA for the next few hours I suppose.

[Furcolow]

Mod: would targeting an account belonging to a player in the game work even if it wasn't the account in the player list? Also, would you inform someone if he targeted a player not in the game?

Let's play hypotheticals.

If I received an action that was ambiguous or contradictory (as to what action was selected, who was the target, or they tried to double-

Search

or whatever), I would send a clarification PM. If I were to receive no reply, the player would default to

Cower

.

If, however, there is a technical error but

no ambiguity

, I will accept the action as-is. An example would be someone who submitted the

Night Action

Search:

Forensic Kit

There is no item by this name, but the intention (

Forensic

Tools

) is clear.

Since I named 2 heads out of 3, and it was because of a reserved slot, the action WAS NOT AMBIGUOUS OR CONTRADICTORY.

[Furcolow]

MoI: I stopped reading the signup thread AN HOUR before they morphed into El Goosuki. AN HOUR.
I waited FORTY TWO MINUTES to respond to you? Big deal. Your only case on me is time? I have all the time in the world.

[Furcolow]

You are taking that completely out of context. It had a bolded question to the mod what is implicating me. Furthermore, I cleared that up in my #405, need I QIFT?

Hang on, are you saying that I'm quoting myself out of context?

and how the hell does #405 clear up you abusing the people who saw Drippereth in the signup thread?

sigh...
why would you quote yourself? you quoted me out of context. Obviously.
#405 PROVES that I didn't know their hydra changed names/gained a player

ADD IN that I thought he changed my shit alphabetically.......... I was fucking surprised to see my ward action PM say El Goosuki, lets just say that. They heard noise. They won't end up dead, or have any fetishes passed to them. Unvote me.

If I quoted you out of context, then where is the bolded question you refered to as it's not in #409. You know, the thing I quoted. Not #405 either.

and none of that invalidates my original question on the topic. Why didn't you look at post 0 of the game thread before sending in your actions and why am I scum for doing that?

i didn't say "you are scum for doing that" you are scum for misrepresenting what I'm saying and taking me out of context.

[Furcolow]

you are scum for your interactions with seacore

[Furcolow]

why i'm an easy mislynch: scum want me gone, because I have them pegged
silly town players find my playstyle abrasive
good town players find my playstyle arrogant, self-indulgent, and moronic... but
GREAT town players find my playstyle effective, though crude, and generally keep me alive because I am so obvious due to meta

[Furcolow]

an example of each: seacore/lost butterfly scum
baby spice finds my playstyle abrasive/aggressive. Possibly Andrius.
MoI finds my playstyle arrogant, and has a vendetta against me. Possibly Andrius. (xvart might fit in here as well)
Plum/RC for the 4th slot

[Furcolow]

baby spice leaning between lines 2 and 1 like vezokpiraka every game he's scum

[Furcolow]

MoI:
"6. MOD confirms that a botched target (a player not in the game) would result in first a PM from him and if not corrected a Cower action."
NO. Mod confirmed IF IT WAS AMBIGUOUS he would send me a PM. IT WASNT AMBIGUOUS. HE DIDNT SEND ME A PM. I WARDED EL GOOSUKI. I DID NOT, HOWEVER, SEND IN THE NAME "EL GOOSUKI". SORRY I'M NOT A LIAR.

Personally, I think he is an investigator going murderer based on his reaction to the pressure which looks townish. Thoughts?

That sums up my read of Furc, as stated in my "Epic Catchup Post of Fail." Do you think he'd still try to go Murderer despite the pressure (or wagon) he's under at the moment? I.e. do you think he'd rather ride the town-wincon now that he's seen people are already suspicious of him, or stick to his guns and try to murderfy people?

Why the fuck would I try to lose when I can name 4 scum?
Lost Butterfly/Seacore/Baby Spice/Fate
that's over 50% on day one

EBWOP: Actually though, I think Furc DID use Ward which is at odds with the murderer's optimum strategy, in which case, he probably isn't going to go down the murderer's route.

bingo
I play to win, not to turn into scum when 74% of the thread are my allies......

Seacore's town btw. Kunkstar's also scum.

Actually, Seacore is very town. I read his posts more closely.

I have one hidden suspect but the mod needs to show up and clarify the Ward action and other things. I'll be back later tonight.

Even though I have not properly read the thread yet, as Benclown is still here, I will say with some certainty that Furcolow and Hitogoroshi are likely town already.

Seacore's "WHAT ME? CULT WITH FATE?" is off-putting, whereas Hito's "well you can count me as #3" is more relaxed and town.

like i said, seacore is cult with fate/lostbutterfly
so is babyspice

[Furcolow]

vote: seacore

[Furcolow]

i'm not graverobbing. It's not my cup of tea. Get benmage to do it. I already know my action for tonight, and I'm not going to tell you all what it is, but I have a pretty good plan.

[Furcolow]

"First of all, you did say you were "trying to play to your town meta""
XVART: I DON'T HAVE TO TRY. IT COMES NATURALLY.

[Furcolow]

"Furcolow (483) - you remember precisely the time when you stopped reading the sign up thread? I also love the contradiction about having all the time in the world when he accused us of making cases when you weren't around so you couldn't respond."

I looked it up to defend myself. I didn't remember El Goosuki, and I remembered like 97% of the signups, which is why I didn't feel the need to look back when I picked who to ward. I work, have a girlfriend, and have a few bad habits so I, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, don't sit on mafia all day.

[Furcolow]

This fucking game.

I really don't understand the Baby Spice hate. Looking through her posts they come across as newb town to me. I absolutely understand where she's coming from with the furc hate but since that's not going anywhere w/e. The rest of her posts don't look bad though, I think the reaction to someone claiming being confirmed town isn't scummy either, it happens most games, and it's really not indicative of alignment. Not seeing her as scum at all. Bad wagon.

Can't say the Elli/DGB hydra have done anything for me so far. DGB putting Fate on her scum list is bizarre, and they've seemed to be on the periphery of the game for the most part.

Where's Kunkstar?

You've defended Seacore
Fate has defended Seacore - twice
Now you're defending BabySpice?
You need to learn when to cut the fat
BabySpice is obviously pulling your scumteam down
I guess you've moved on from Seacore since he's going to be lynched?
Is he still town?

[Furcolow]

Seacore is town because his crumb+motives are very clear to me. Can't say more without outing his claim, which I would like to avoid as there are much better targets out there today.

@???: Furc warded his scumbuddy becomes more and more unlikely as I realize warding would only prevent stalks (from cult pov), which as an:

WAIT FOR IT.

UNLIKELY TOWN ACTION N0.


@RC: DID YOU JUST FUCKING NINJA ME BY QUOTING AFUCKING LIST AND APPROVING IT?
AND YOU THINK IM HARD TO READ YOU USELESS SACK?

third time he's said "SEACORE IS TOWN" not "seacore is probably town"
third fucking time... well one was kind of ambiguous, but at LEAST the second time. It's more like 2.5-2.7

[Furcolow]

And I've already pointed out two flaws in xvart's plan, so no, it's not a good idea.

But the flaws are flaws in determining if he is Cult; not determining if he is lying investigator going Murderer. The general consensus is that he is fairly cleared of being Cult, so that is almost a moot point. My point in my last post was that the plan was better when it could catch Cult and Murderer (if in the off chance the town's nonCult read of Furcolow is wrong). I still think it's a good plan because he is lying and most likely already has an insanity. Fate does not have an insanity. Commune will show if Fucolow is an Investigator going Murderer.

xvart.

too bad this is WIFOM because there is an insanity which delays a day dumbfuck

[Furcolow]

"Glance at him in SAII and see how many times I had to try to talk him out of killing. I think if I had let him go, he would have tried to go murderer there. In terms of Furc playing suboptimally...well....."

i wanted to do a single fucking vig, VP Baltar, get that through your head

[Furcolow]

"@Hito: Err. I don't think Furcolow is the best choice since Insanities are hella harsher now + Private Infarctions. I clarified this in the sign up: Two strikes of the same = Modkill. Three strikes of any = Modkill. I'd rather someone who's..a bit more careful do it, to prevent unecessary modkills on not-cult. No offense to Furc, but he doesn't really strike me as the most careful player out there."

@VasuDeva: THANK GOD. I'm glad someone pointed this out. I have fear of gaining insanities, which is why I'll be picking things like Solist which won't get me killed!

[Furcolow]

Aw, man! Seriously furc? What about me, your best buddy?
Here, whisper into my ear what you're gonna do tonight...

*leans over towards Furc*

shhh, say it quietly...

<-- This was small text. Small text is not allowed.

*whisper whisper*

<-- This was small text. Small text is not allowed.

[Furcolow]

Yo Furc, 28 pages in the game, you have 7 pages in your ISO.

Can you tone it down a bit? You're really bogging it down.

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If you think Bowser is scum, what do you make of Andy's FoS on Bowser whilst he still has an RV on you?

Bowser scum = Andyscum. However, if they aren't horribly obvious like Bowser, I'd like to question them for a little while before I get into gripes of what I do think of them. I'm questioning Andy as we speak, will clarify in a few.

Also two people claimed to have Warded the same person. Guess what this could mean?

Do tell, madame Plum.
(Although, I think I may have guessed it along the way. It has something to do with Baby Spice right~ *cookie if yes*, *no cookie if no*)

No, I can't.
1) I'm confirmed in my eyes
2) I spam as town

sorry.

[Furcolow]

But if they claim to ward their scum friends, and their scum friends go I HEARD NOISE...

I guess they would be afraid of doubling up with someone, though, so the earlier the ward claim the more likely it is town
not that i'm likely town or anything hahahahahahaha wasnt mine the first claim?
FOR ALL OF YOU WHO CAN'T READ, I'M BEING FACETIOUS.

Lost Butterfly is probably our best lynch, but noone listens to me

[Furcolow]

i was being facetious about "not that i'm likely town". I hate having to rectify things because of the presumed ignorance of the people who will be reading this. (not all of you!)

[Furcolow]

i just really don't see the benefit of saying "player A is town" if you are town
Fate has said "player A is town", so has Lost Butterfly
Lost Butterfly has even said "player B is town"

is it worse to lynch player A/player B, or the person SAYING these things?
Personally, I find player A to be lurky, and not very good
Player B is one of the worst mafia players I have ever seen, and if they're scum, they won't win the game

Fate and Lost Butterfly, however, are both good players/slots

[Furcolow]

Since BM has stalked Fate, we can hold his ass accountable if Fate does not die. If fate gets ressed, we lynch fate, and if he's town we have BM as a caught scum. Hell, we might lynch BM instead of Fate if Fate doesnt die. If Fate doesn't die, and someone openly ressed, then we either lynch fate/the resser. This is our D2 plan imo.

RIGHT NOW, where fate is integral to the D2 plan, we can't lynch that cult yet (assuming he/she is cult)
HOWEVER, we CAN lynch mina. Mina = Lost Butterfly for those of you that don't read everything.
Mina has been openly defending numerous players, and while you may say "many people are doing that to you", the players she has been defending have been NOT confirmed in the slightest. I mean, go read babyspice/seacore/lost butterfly/fate in iso and tell me if there aren't common themes between them all.

unvote
vote: lost butterfly

reasoning: seacore/babyspice are mostly harmless
fate is required to prove benmage
lost butterfly is our best cult lynch at this moment

[Furcolow]

Points conceded.
Does your plan involve Fate using his commune, or just surviving the shot?
@Hito regarding the graverob roleblock, it consists of having a player waste both night actions on robbing seperate graves. This double graverob was a crucial component to shutting down murderers in SA2 (I know, I had to do it a couple times). Graverobbing should be left to players that are considered likely murderer, and having someone with Necrophilia reduces the effectiveness of that roleblock. The only thing crucial this game is to make sure that graves are robbed by two players apiece.

You berated me for talking about graverobbing earlier (or was that rewq? I think it was you!), and now you talk about it? I am not really for this hypocrisy, but that is not why I'm quoting this...


good job having post #666
obvious scum here uz guyz!
hahaha

for those who don't know, i'm primarily kidding here. just because i've caught 4 scum, doesn't mean i can't joke around!

[Furcolow]

the theme i'm talking about is that you could have used people defending me to counteract my case on your defending unconfirmed and terrible players who are scum with you

[Furcolow]

HOWEVER, since I addressed it before you or anyone else could (looking at those people like xvart and MoI), you can't use it as a stupid strawman-like defense of my points, which you've conceded already, that you are defending terrible players who I find to be cult with you.

[Furcolow]

Strongly suspecct Beenmage and Fate to

both be investigators

but

Ben is most definately not town.

Um...

...

...

.....

.........................................

...

yeah

. *brain explodes*

vote: mina

FOS LOST BUTTERFLY
FOS SEACORE
FOS BABYSPICE
FOS that fuck who defended seacore earlier who i cant put my finger on but will have to find

I make this post, then ALL THREE OF YOU VOTE ME.

[Furcolow]

YOU DEFENDED SEACORE/BABYSPICE. DO YOU ARGUE YOU DEFENDED THEM BOTH?

You've defended Seacore
Fate has defended Seacore - twice
Now you're defending BabySpice?

I know all this, and yes I am. He looks like newb town to me.

Point 2. Couple in Fate defending the same person with point 2, but we'll let BM take care of him!

Point 3 is the way you tried to twist the mod's words into a case on me
Point 4 is how all 3 of you berated me (you, seacore, babyspice) to try to get me modkilled

[Furcolow]

and point 4 came AFTER I put FoS on all 3 of you in a post
you all fucking jumped onto me AFTER I was suspicious of you all.

[Furcolow]

"FOS that fuck who defended seacore earlier who i cant put my finger on but will have to find" = Fate

[Furcolow]

I have work from 4 to close
have to take a shower, i'm running a little tight.

hope you all see the light!

[Furcolow]

i'm not graverobbing. It's not my cup of tea. Get benmage to do it. I already know my action for tonight, and I'm not going to tell you all what it is, but I have a pretty good plan.

Hmmm... Furcolow not playing with the town's best interest in mind, nor caring about town opinions. Also scheming his own plan. Furc - you should be our gravrobber, then you get the added bonus of getting to nine insanities faster to double stalk, and your grave robbing will tell you when you find any other murderers (pending you are the only one to rob grave) so you know who to target next.

too bad this is WIFOM because there is an insanity which delays a day dumbfuck

Awesome.

You do bring up an interesting point.

@Mod: Are delayed Denial insanities gained during the night (as in the selectors insanity count goes up during the night) but selected in the morning? When does the persons insanity count go up in the order of action chart?

Also two people claimed to have Warded the same person. Guess what this could mean?

Do tell, madame Plum.
(Although, I think I may have guessed it along the way. It has something to do with Baby Spice right~ *cookie if yes*, *no cookie if no*)

I was thinking Plum was thinking that I claimed to Ward someone already Warded in an attempt to hide a anti-Investigator action.

But more on this when I respond to kunkstar and xvart's utterly ridiculous "Use your Commune on Furc, because he's probably town, but we want to be EXTRA EXTRA EXTRA SURE that he doesn't go a murderer" plan (even though all the evidence suggests he warded on N0).

Woah woah woah, Mina. Let's be careful here before you misrep me too hard here. Yes, there are people who are town, but there are some of the town who are going to go the Murderer route. While Furc may very well be town now, if he flips an insanity, which I would bet my life on, it is proven that he always intended to go the solo Murder route, since he lied about his first action. I also don't believe in reforming people to stay town who were intending to go Murderer (as was evidence by dram in SA II).

MoI

- I'll get to your question in a bit. I've been too tunneled on Furcolow's madness and need to step back. I'm contemplating Trigalov (whichever Tri-hydra isn't Sotty/Zach/OJ) as a strong possibility, but need to look at a few other people, too. I'll give my reasonings and thinking tomorrow.

xvart.

I don't really like this attack on me. Everyone in this game agrees I warded but a few people. El Goosuki heard noise. They're not going to wind up dead.

vote: xvart

it just doesn't add up otherwise
I absolutely hated every bit of this post, including your saying "sorry I'm too good to answer questions" in relation to MoI.

Your "case" on me is that "he might go murderer youz guyz", and you BET YOUR FUCKING LIFE I have an insanity? Honestly, you could be dying pretty soon, that life you bet is gonna be cashed in with your lynch. Sorry it had to be this way, bro. Hope you don't mind us cashing in on that mister cultist.

I'm still very open to any wagon on Seacore/Fate/Lost Butterfly/baby spice, but xvart is looking ripe for lynching

I haven't finished my Seacore v. Babyspice and Spyrex v. AV things yet - and likely won't for a few more hours - but I have something I need to say right away.

Bad: Scummy player selected to rob grave, scum get corpse dust and equipment if we're

right

for the cheap cost of one insanity.
Good: Two townies players rob grave, no one gets anything as long as we're right on one of the two, two insanities.
Great: Townie we're sure of robs grave. Cultists not only get nothing, they have to take an insanity on the chin or else we get equipment, one insanity.

The problem with "Great" is that it's terrible if we're wrong on the townie. Furcolow doesn't want to do it, so I guess the question is, is there anyone besides him we feel safe calling "town" and making our graverobber? If not, it's not a huge deal, we can just have two people bounce the grave.

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I still don't want Benmage to go through with the murder. If he and Fate were both under intense suspicion, it might be worth it. But they're both pretty likely town. Risking the death of one pretty likely town (with losing a Rez kit being our BEST case scenario) just to make another pretty likely town a confirmed town? I don't buy it. It's not worth either losing a townie or blowing a protect just to get the equivalent of a single investigation on a likely town slot.

If BenMage kills Fate, he can be the graverobber. Otherwise, I'm OK with you doing it.

AusVox feels like he's sucking up to Lost Butterfly in 219. Basically agrees with anything and everything they say. Meh.

First of all, what was the point of mentioning this if you have nothing to say about it?
Secondly, couldn't the same thing be said of you? You pretty much did the same thing to Furcolow:

First of all, I pointed out his sucking up...how is that having nothing to say? You think I approve of his sucking up and I wanted to give him kudos for it? Second(ly), no. Just because I think Furcolow can play well at times does not mean I am sucking up to him by agreeing with him, which is what AV did. In fact, I think he's said some pretty dumb things in this game (shocker). I don't even see how you are equating my assessment of Furc's general skill level to AV following Lost Butterfly around.

Why would furc claim to have warded somebody not in the game, unless he thought they were in the game?

You guys need to use your gorram brains.

Hey this guy gets it! I think use of any brains at all would be good. I don't know why so many people are insisting that Furc is scum when essentially everything he's done this game MAKES NO SENSE AS SCUM. Why in the hell would he volunteer information that would only make him look silly when he could easily lie and have no attention on him? Because he's town, that's why.

~~~

I've come up with an awesome new rule for this game. From now on, everyone stops saying "SHUT THE EFF UP, I'M CONFIRMED TOWN." It is quite clear to me that you folks don't understand the set up. Like, at all. Try the rules again. And then read them again after that. If you make it to like Day 5 and beyond with several things triangulating your town status, then you can start calling yourself confirmed town. Until then, you're not. No sign up thread disproves this. /rant

Still reading, still catching up. This is my personal hell. I hope in the next 9 pages, the arguments get much better.

Qatol?

Nevermind I didn't give a better reason for voting Bowser, BUT I HAVE MADE SOLID CASES/POINTS.

If you think a page 3 vote is still worthy than...

Nah,

you're town play is good Baltar

. Your scum play is apparently very lacking though. Were you scum in mafia at the 11th hour? Remind me.

SCUMSLIP

"you are town play is good Baltar"? Fatescum.
Maybe benmage was right and we should just lynch him(fate!)

^a good example of an ACTUAL townie struggling to keep up

Yet another time fate is actually making a scumslip

*goes to do what you just asked*

HEY WAIT A SECOND.

IS THIS SOME EXCUSE TO NOT CATCHUP ON THE THREAD AND HAVING ME SPOONFEED YOU POSTS THAT YOU CAN MAKE DIRECT COMMENTS ON?

NOT FALLIN FOR THAT BUSTER. THERES NO NEED:
1. get in a quibblin fight over whether your Bowser vote > entirety of my scumhunting
2. You said yourself you've been IGNORING MINE AND BENMAGE'S POSTS, so how the fuck could you even KNOW your Bowser vote was better than all the content I've provided?

+
You ignoring Ben+Fate's posts
+
"all the posts this game are shit"
=
Every non-Fate+Ben post being contentless and not worth commenting
=
BULLSHIT
=
VPScum

Squirm into Flail
honestly
fatescum

Every time I sit down this thread crushes my will.

Actually, I had formulated a plan for keeping him alive via resuscitation whilst still testing the validity of the kill even in the event of scumFate. AFAIK Fate would still receive the death PM and then the "revival" PM and so we could test the stalk claim AND keep Fate alive; if he's town, he tells the truth, and if he's scum and says he received no PM, we can test Benmage for blood. Did you skim over that bit?

... is this how this works?

If so, maybe MAAAYBBE I'll need to readjust.

That doesn't change that this:

Well, we probably have more than one Res. Kit and we can prevent the kill even if he tries. vOv

So, why do you want to lynch the person who can confirm that they are not affiliated with the cult?

Still bothers me. Why waste the Res Kits on a bad action?

What is the larger dealio with Stalks? I mean all this talk of stalk = town = profit suuree

isn't

seems like a bad idea and come wagon time if another stalk claim comes through?

"I have a problem. I NEED Benmage to carry out his kill tonight otherwise he drowns us in WIFOM stew. Do not want. On the other hand, am very much leaning Town on Fate. HALP."

There is no WIFOM. There is no stew.

Benmage, period, can not be left to endgame unless its a flat sweep. That's just how it is.

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I can't believe that I am saying this, but I think letting the kill go through would be good for the town,

even if Fate is town.

This early in the game a confirmed non-cultist would be very beneficial to the town, as it is one less person that is possibly scum (yes I realize that was very repetitive). After that, I think we should put BenMage on Grave Robbing duty, which there is a limit to the number that you can do in one night, last game it was 2. If anything BenMage should be warded tonight to prevent the scum from killing our possible confirmed town.

No. NO.

Hmmm... Furcolow not playing with the town's best interest in mind, nor caring about town opinions. Also scheming his own plan. Furc - you should be our gravrobber, then you get the added bonus of getting to nine insanities faster to double stalk, and your grave robbing will tell you when you find any other murderers (pending you are the only one to rob grave) so you know who to target next.

Alright, have I missed something amazing? Because, if not, after a few things are cleared up, ohhh snap. Because I'm pretty sure the idea is Fur is the right bro for brobbing because

he is pretty clearly town and isn't already prepping down failure road.

My plan gets rid of the stupid half of a very LOUD combination of people, saves Fate's life, and we've still got our Res kit. However, the Cult may still try to kill Fate (I'd rather Fate than a number of other people, though. sorry Fate ); that we don't really have any 'confirmed townies' (something I'd be willing to forgo to get Benmage out of the way, and free Fate up to scumhunt without worrying about some idiot killing him that night based on a childish vendetta).

Still though, I think there's a better plan out there.

<3

I'll admit I had some worries reaper (which I'll get to) but they're gone now. GOD.

---

Now, ASIDE FROM ALL THAT.

Will someone please, please,

please

explain to me what in the hell this Seacore business is about? I'm flat missing it.

too bad i have a plan, and i'm not robbing, bro. sorry. i'm gonna try my own method.
also, someone having a res kit, or claiming to have used one, does not fucking clear them.
ask plum about that.

AAAAAAAAAAH!

Sorry for this useless rant, but it's three-thirty in the morning right now, I can't think straight anymore and have to wake up in a few hours, and I've basically wasted my evening writing ginormous cases on people...only to realize halfway in the middle of writing them that I no longer believed that my target was guilty.

This is so demoralizing. I hate my slow and scattered brain. Every time I try to make a point on someone, my mind jumps to a completely unrelated thought about another player.

So my catch up post has devolved from "comment on everything of note in the game and analyze everyone's shift of opinions on Furcolow" to "ask a few relevant questions and comment on the major wagons as well as answer posts directed your way" to "only make cases on kunkstar, xvart, and VP Baltar" to "just get your damn vote on someone already." And now I don't even know who to vote any more!

Aaaaah. Should I even post my case on kunkstar, in which I expressed confidence that he was totally guilty and the difference in play between SAII and here was soooo obvious, but that I now no longer believe in that much because I realize I'd mentally exaggerated the shift in his opinions?

Um...as far as opinions I'm somewhat confident of, Faraday had a town read on SSBF earlier, and now I agree with him. Also, I think Benmage shouldn't go through with his Stalk (because what's the point of killing one player widely read as town just to confirm that another player read as town is really town), and SSBF should probably use his kit on Fate just in case Ben goes rogue, so that the rest of the town can coordinate their own resurrection targets.

Fuck it. I'll post some of what I've got because I'll be pissed if I wrote all that for nothing, but from now on, I'll leave the votes and opinions to Faraday and just stick to asking questions and trying to draw reads.

Believe it or not, I trust noone with a res kit because of a combination of it suggesting cult getting one in the rules, and SA2 fakeclaim of ressing which fucked the town pretty bad.

I'm not saying GOOD players don't res, but sometimes it can backfire! Having a res kit is null, and I've been reading SSBF back and forth personally. I don't have a strong town read on him.

2. You said yourself you've been IGNORING MINE AND BENMAGE'S POSTS, so how the fuck could you even KNOW your Bowser vote was better than all the content I've provided?

Well that's just patently wrong. I said I would ignore your posts until you two started scumhunting. I still look at every post you make, but when you start capslocking about how much you hate Ben I simply begin scrolling. Play better and I wouldn't have to. And I'm not trying to get in a bickering argument with you about who is doing more scumhunting. I'm simply saying that the conversations in this thread have been quite poor overall and I wanted you to point out what I'm apparently missing that is good (since you claim it is there). Perhaps I AM missing something good. I would like it pointed out to me, because I'm not seeing it right now. Third, your statement that I haven't commented on any posts is also patently false. My commenting has been on answering questions directly asked to me and things that I think are particularly noteworthy. The fact that I'm perpetually 10 pages behind here doesn't really make me inclined to post ginormous walls of text about the game state that far back. A lot could have changed and I'm a busy person that isn't going to waste my time. However, if I see something that stands out to me as needing to be talked about, I will say so. Once I'm fully caught up, then I can get more active in posting giant walls...though this game has more than enough for the remainder of its existence.

TL;DR

Feel free to point out your wonderful scumhunting and stop dodging.

this post is fucking hypocritical. I feel like you are bored, VP Baltar. You are telling him "get to scumhunting!" when you are 10 pages behind. I believe you're town, but you need to take your own advice.

I can't believe that I am saying this, but I think letting the kill go through would be good for the town,

even if Fate is town.

This early in the game a confirmed non-cultist would be very beneficial to the town, as it is one less person that is possibly scum (yes I realize that was very repetitive). After that, I think we should put BenMage on Grave Robbing duty, which there is a limit to the number that you can do in one night, last game it was 2. If anything BenMage should be warded tonight to prevent the scum from killing our possible confirmed town.

No. NO.

YES YES. Would you rather have this town detrimental argument going on (even if it is town on town), or have one of them murder the other to confirm himself as a non-cultist? After that we can just have Benmage rob graves to make sure he does not go murderer.

... is this how this works?

According to SAII, that's how it works. The target receives different flavour depending on whether they're targeted by a murder or a ritual, and also is notified if they were resuscitated. Therefore if Fate is town and lives til tomorrow, he can tell us whether he was murdered or ritualised. If he's scum and lies, we can still check Benmage with the "Investigate" action N2 to see if he did in fact try to murder Fate (so long as he doesn't launder); and then we can prevent him from going murderer as others have suggested. The only place where this plan fails is if they're both scum.

I like this plan.

I agree with this so much.
I'm backing rewq on this. He was in SA2 so he knows what he's talking about here, the only problem between this and SA2 is corpse dust. Not sure if that matters as much, just makes res kits even more helpful to scum than they already were. Fucking WIFOM kits if you ask me. I'm not a fan of any of the equipment, honestly.

If that's how it works I'm fumbling through something but isn't there the potential to, sans failure, clear whole swaths of people?

OK, you gave me a reason to retract the statement I just made. Equipment is good to catch liars, murderers, and to save town lives (SOMETIMES). It isn't the gun that kills the person on its own, it needs someone to pull its trigger. The problem with "confirming tons of people" is the possibility of chaos.

I'm so lost. I'll just do as I'm asked.

-DGB

stalk and make a single kill. claim it after you make it.

Look Baltar, I've been scum before. Its EASY as hell to have someone go: "here's something to comment on, what u think?" and you to say "i think XXX" INSTEAD OF producing new and fresh content and catching up on the game.

ISNT THAT RIGHT MR. LAWYER? EASIER TO TWIST AND SPIN INSTEAD OF COME UP WITH NEW AND INTERESTING VIEWPOINTS.

I'm not asking you to give me ideas about what I should be looking at. I'm asking you because I'm demonstrating how devoid of useful points this thread is. I'm on page 24 atm and it took a large portion of the town that long to realize that furc is an investigator. Even that was only after Spyrex had to type out a giant wall explaining it. I mean, ffs, if you don't think this thread is filled with useless babble (which you have actively contributed to the entire time), then I pity you. As far as your capslock portion, I don't even understand what you're talking about. But it's loud!

Other cool things that people have spent a lot of useless words on:
Should ben follow through on his stalk? No.
Is furc a VI or what! Sure, sometimes
What does Percy's post mean regarding Furc? It shouldn't have even been talked about long enough for Percy to have to post.

^I certainly summed those up and it didn't take me 20+ pages to do it.


I don't know when the site got flooded with caps lock attention whores that follow through on nothing. It is annoying to read and it only results in a completely schizo town. Big fat meh on it. Town would be much better served by focusing on people who have acted scummy and pressuring them hard.

I will make suggestions:
xvart has been generally useless from what I've seen, has pursued terrible cases and is hiding behind charts to look pro-town.
AV is a general mess of backpedaling and "whoopsie daisy, don't attack me any more for that because I didn't mean what I said"
Bowser still sucks, though I can confirm that they have dropped their posting rate elsewhere
MoI pushed the Fur case to the point of irrationality until it essentially became obvious it wasn't going to happen.
Lost Butterfly is clusterfuck of confusion.

All of these people require ample questioning, but all I've been reading is Furc = stupid. Pardon my frustration with that. I'm still holding out hope that someone besides Spyrex starts making sense here soon. When I get fully caught up, you can rest assured that I'll hold your hand and point you in the right direction. K?

Agree with a lot of this post, and a lot of suspects. Criticizing Fate, though, then dismissing him as a suspect could be you trying to get townies pushed, so I'm not fully going to trust you yet.

I haven't finished my Seacore v. Babyspice and Spyrex v. AV things yet - and likely won't for a few more hours - but I have something I need to say right away.

Bad: Scummy player selected to rob grave, scum get corpse dust and equipment if we're

right

for the cheap cost of one insanity.
Good: Two townies players rob grave, no one gets anything as long as we're right on one of the two, two insanities.
Great: Townie we're sure of robs grave. Cultists not only get nothing, they have to take an insanity on the chin or else we get equipment, one insanity.

The problem with "Great" is that it's terrible if we're wrong on the townie. Furcolow doesn't want to do it, so I guess the question is, is there anyone besides him we feel safe calling "town" and making our graverobber? If not, it's not a huge deal, we can just have two people bounce the grave.

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I still don't want Benmage to go through with the murder. If he and Fate were both under intense suspicion, it might be worth it. But they're both pretty likely town. Risking the death of one pretty likely town (with losing a Rez kit being our BEST case scenario) just to make another pretty likely town a confirmed town? I don't buy it. It's not worth either losing a townie or blowing a protect just to get the equivalent of a single investigation on a likely town slot.

Makes sense. But this post gives me the willies. Bad willies.

It sounds like hito is fishing, trying to say "lets pick a really TOWN townie... wink wink ME derp"
But he doesn't actually SAY it outright, meaning he's waiting for somebody else to suggest that he do it.

Which is exactly what I thought when I read it:
- Why don't we just have you do it, Hito?
- OH WAIT. WHY DIDNT YOU JUST SUGGEST YOURSELF? HMMMM
- OMFG THIS MOFO MIGHT JUST BE REALLY SMART SCUM. sooo

Very Reluctant FoS (which will probably earn me a few tomatoes in the face): hitorogoshi

And now, of course, I MYSELF volunteer to be the one to rob the graves.

?I kind of agree with you on sensing that, but I feel that it is null.
i'm just not sure enough of anyone saying it like that and it being implicated with their decision on this.
Like if hitogoroshi was town he would be like "well, how can I type this respectfully (probably where he's asian. Are you asian, hito? you don't have to answer, I'm not trying to offend.), given differences of culture and the fact that noone knows my role but myself if I'm an investigator. Sure, it could be "pick me, i'll get corpse dust"

just

as easily, but it's null because of this and WIFOM, right?

ReaperCharlie, I don't understand what you are saying about hitogoroshi. Can you explain it some more?

Also, why should

you

grave rob?

I understand what he was saying, but I agree with your apprehension here.
I am liking Wickedestjr we should add him to the alliance

It FEELS to me, like he's begging to be chosen to grave rob. But doesn't want to submit himself as a candidate for it.

I should grave rob because I am awesome and town, and (as I already said) I'm a shining beacon of hope and sanity.

oh, well, if you put it that way
*sold*'


so yea

vote: xvart
fos: fate

[Furcolow]

So now being a Murderer is easier to get away with?...

*begins to Stalk VP Baltar*

We could have been bros...

We can still be bros. I'll brofessionally murder you tomorrow night, after I stalk you tonight, howzaboutit?

Getting a feeling that Triglav is trying to coast through this game. His latest posts sounds like a bit of mimicking off other people instead of actually providing his own thoughts in the game. When examining what they post, it feels more artifical then those of the other hydra, as if they are trying too hard to agree on everything instead of taking risks and posting their individual thoughts on the game. This is probably gut, but it's not giving me good feelings.

This paragraph in #779 is beautiful. And overall I get the awesometown feel from most if not all of #779.

Furc, hito, plum, say hello to AWESOMEALLIANCE member #5... welcome to the group, SSBF.

I do have a question for you, though: What would you think if you rezzed Fate tonight, but Benmage was dead by morning?

I mean, the whole plan would be kinda busted, and Fate wouldn't even be confirmed town.

Perfect cult way to ruin all our plans, right?

Which is why I keep thinking we should just lynch SEACORE, BABYSPICE, or one of the other OBVCULT.

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xvart's #782 does NOT give me good vibes.

I'm getting that scum feel from him.

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YES I DO GET TO GRAVEROB, FATE. STFU

AND PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU KEEP SPOUTING THIS NONSENSE THAT SEACORE IS TOWN WHEN HE IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM.

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post #789 is largely meh.

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@ AndyNinja: Maybe next time you'll pull "RC's Playbook for da Wimminz" outta your back pocket and USE IT LIKE I TOLD YOU TO.

glad we're on the same page. I'm disliking both xvart and fate as well.

[Furcolow]

You might think Furc = town was "obvious," but I didn't see you logically proving it to convince others to unvote him.

He claimed a fucking ward and a mod error with that ward AND that he didn't hear noise even though he didn't know the rules had changed regarding ward. Does it really take someone spelling it out before people can get that? I don't think there is anything that could be more obvious than Furc's investigator status and I'm suspicious of the people that were trying their damndest to shovel shit on him because they know they can rile him up and potentially get him mislynched.

Re: posts/pages
My point is that it shouldn't have taken actual town 20 pages to figure out Furc is town. You appear to have explained it before SpyreX, which is fine, but that only makes it slightly better imo. I feel that your first post was definitely meant to test the waters of calling him scummy. Why else would you "offer reasons" for him to be all three alignments without taking a solid stance on his alignment? All of the same evidence has been there from the beginning.

going, "LOL, Lost Butterfly is scum because it's schizo and contradicts itself" is shallow analysis when two people will obviously never have the same opinions 100% of the time.

So you think you can just say this, and then suddenly you'll be able to backtrack as much as you want without suspicion?

Cool story bro.

Basically. Excuse making at its finest. "Just because we flop positions to fit the changing of the tides doesn't make us scummy because we're a hydra." ffff

Also,

Unvote, Vote: Lost Butterfly

This is a fight I definitely want to get into and a place people should be paying more attention. I know I'm not going to out word Mina, but I'd like to highlight some important quotes later today or tomorrow so people can see what I'm talking about. In the meantime, wagon ho!

where were you at when i tried to wagon them for two days?
if you want to lynch LB, there are many lynches that indicate their alignment which are less hurtful on the town if LB is an investigator (baby spice, seacore, fate) in my opinion

im still fairly happy with a lynch on LB, i've been pushing that nearly all day.

Furc 795 - I applaud your effort in posting multiple thoughts in one post. I also enjoyed your misrep about me saying I was too good to answer MoI's question. The biggest thing I'll note is that my plan, however flawed it might be in your eyes, would absolutely guarantee you to not have insanities if you don't. You don't even suggest that it is okay with you for my plan, even though it would completely clear you of what I am accusing you of. Even a Cult Member would say, "go ahead and Book me" if he/she did not have an insanity.

You think I’m not playing aggressively when any number of people have attacked me for being too aggressive regarding Furc? Cool story bro.

It doesn't matter what other people think. What matters is I'm seeing some indications that your Furc-agressiveness may have been faked, and now that Furc's near-unanimously believed to be Town, you're looking for something to do. So you follow on Spy to vote on AV. However, the problem is that lacks the usual MoI Town-aggression I've seen before~. It reeks of buddy distancing, I tellz ya.

Wouldn't the appropriate place for you vote be on the person he is distancing from (AV), since your case hinges on AV being scum?

Honestly, would people be interested in giant cases from me tomorrow night (I'd saved what I'd written on kunkstar and xvart last night, and there's stuff I'd like to call attention to from other players), or is everyone just overwhelmed by all the wall posting? If it weren't against every fibre of my nature, I'd almost say we should move on with a lynch as quickly as possible just to get a flip and keep the game from stagnating. (If we decide on that route, then I'd direct my attention to players who are being wagoned instead.

I actually thought what you posted was your case; but I would certainly be interested in any more details you might have for the case on me, provided Faraday isn't going to come in on Tuesday and say the opposite.

@ xvart and MoI - What do you think of Lost Butterfly? Do their conflicting posts bother you?

You know, I'm debating how much I should defend against this, because I think I'd be more interested in hearing how xvart and MagnaofIllusion answer when they reread.

1

I will say that the questions you should be asking should be:

2

-Does Faraday's 180 on Furcolow OR my consistent defence of Furcolow before and after Faraday's vote have a scum or town motivation? And is either scummy enough to negate the other head's behaviour?

3

-Is it a significant scumtell that Faraday voted before discussing it with me in the QT or waiting for me to wake up?

4

-Is it scummy that Faraday didn't think of how it would look for an account to vote for a player it had just defended before (even if new information had come about)?

5

-Is it scummy that I contradicted him in the thread in order to enforce my own beliefs and/or do damage control?

6

-What scum agenda would be furthered by our switching back and forth like that within a day?

7

-Do you think I've secretly been pretending to be Faraday the whole time so as to fool people?

And maybe Faraday should be the one explaining his own thought patterns and motivations.

But just going, "LOL, Lost Butterfly is scum because it's schizo and contradicts itself" is shallow analysis when two people will obviously never have the same opinions 100% of the time.

1

I actually already gave my initial impressions, here.

2

Guided questions are not your friend in this case.

3

If one individual playing under one account were to say "XXX is scum" and "XXX is town" for different reasons it would be called fence sitting; especially during the time that the Fuculow opinions were being thrown out. Just because there are two people on one account is not a free pass and does not excuse having contradictory reads.

4

Is it a significant scumtell? So you agree that it is a scumtell, just not a big one? Also, from everyone else's eyes, this is unprovable (although possibly likely since you two have drastically different timezones); but still, this isn't a solid defense.

5

He should have thought about it, since we had this exact conversation at the end of post game discussion in the game he modded.

6

Yes. The admittance to doing "damage control" is especially scummy. What damage were you controlling and why did it need your immediate attention without consulting with Faraday first.

7

Like I said, fence sitting; which has more scum motivation than town motivation.

As I said in my previous post, I don't think you (Mina) would maliciously game a hydra that way; but with this recent post I'm starting to believe that it was an unexpected byproduct of being a scum hydra in different time zones.

Except that's not really what happened, is it?

That is exactly what happened: your account flip flopped reads on a lightning rod at the time. I don't think you intended it to occur that way but your defense and guided questions for our consumption and direction is inherently scummy. It's like you got busted for something you don't think you should have been busted for.

VOTE: Lost Butterfly

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS? AS SOON AS I UNVOTE MY BANDWAGON PEOPLE STEAL IT?

I'm not sure I understand you, but are you basically saying the grave robber will rob two graves each night and thus have no room for other night actions? (not sure how you're so certain there will be more than one death each night) My understanding of the rules is that you can only rob one grave each night, and the free action from robbing a grave is for any other action

It is not necessary to have two graves to rob every night. Every other night is enough, since Stalk and Murder have to happen on consecutive nights. Also it is in the rules, under Questions and Answers, that Rob Grave can be used multiple times per night.

Re: Feysal's post - are you talking about #504 or #539? I'm not sure I can see the logical inconsistency you're talking about. His position on Furcolow is that the mistake is such an unlikely cult gambit that it virtually confirms his townieness, even if it is logically possible he's scum, right? Where's the red flag?

#539 - look again, makes comment to Seacore saying "Furc is sooooo obv. town, amirite?" immediate next quote responses are agreements with MoI on his points against furc. Reads as defense while straddling lines for later possible shift. Not a fan of it.

Actually, Furpants_Tom has it right. I was defending Furcolow at the time, and that meant responding to the points brought against him by MoI. I read the first point as Furcolow making other posts while avoiding to answer who he warded, and I had to check to see this wasn't the case. I'd misunderstood what MoI was saying, and so I found the point inconclusive. The second point where Furcolow defended himself with timing was just silly, and of course I agreed when MoI called it comedy gold, but I still did not think it meant anything. For the record, I firmly believe Furcolow to be an Investigator, and though there exists a possibility of him having murderous plans, I find it remote.

I do have a question for you, though: What would you think if you rezzed Fate tonight, but Benmage was dead by morning?

Benmage won't be dead by morning. He heard no noise, and thus cannot be killed. If he died, he'd have lied about the noise.

SCUMSLIP

"you are town play is good Baltar"? Fatescum.
Maybe benmage was right and we should just lynch him(fate!)

You haven't made much sense before, but seriously, suspecting someone because of an obvious grammar mistake? Really.

As for xvart, I'll have to do an ISO on him to see if there's any basis for these suspicions I've seen on him.

Feysal, I agree with your last paragraph that the best idea is for Benmage just not to kill (but SSBF to resurrect Fate just in case Ben decides to be an idiot), but what was the point of writing yet

another

giant wall post with no suspects, but lots more "protown" looking theory?

My best strength is in game mechanics, and so I took a moment to analyze the whole Benmage/Fate situation and posted about it. That was all there was to it. As for actual scum hunting, I admit I've been lacking there. I've only had time for one read-through, and while I did get some reads from it, I really need to do an ISO on a few people to sort out my thoughts regarding them. You can expect to hear my thoughts on Seacore, Baby Spice and xvart in a few hours, once I read through their posts again.

no, i suspect him mainly because he is saying THIS PERSON IS TOWN
THAT PERSON IS TOWN
A THIRD PERSON IS TOWN

he needs to be lynched or killed and learn to start using the word probably, or something like likely to be, not inconclusive wording when IF he was an investigator he wouldn't know.

I'd like to line up lynches from whoever has the highest word count in this game, to whoever has the least.

Unfortunately that puts our basically confirmed Investigator Furcolow right at the top of the list

he said word count, not post count.


I am fairly sure Lost Butterfly was seriously just confused that DGB wasn't in El Goosuki
However, I don't feel as comfortable with my vote on xvart anymore. I will consider lynching Fate/Seacore/Baby Spice/LB, though, as they have been my scum reads all game

unvote

EBWOP: this confirms a few things from this Triglav post
1) they are admittedly lurking, and likely scum
2) they are attacking xvart for his stance on me, which is actually because he doesn't like me if anything. sure, he is being obstinate if he believes i am cult, and going murderer crossed my mind once. once. I then dismissed it because I actually like to

win

games.
3) triglav's vote is with who? oh, yeah, lost butterfly. and the "confirmed" townie he is trying to use to cast suspicion on xvart... me. I guess I just misread xvart as being too helpful to be town, but i guess that's just how he is. he must work in an office or something


basically, i'll be a 3rd voter. it should actually be looked at as a good thing. people say jeeps tells are outdated, and the 3rd and 4th voters on wagons bit actually sort of is, especially in a game this big (it was designed for 7 or 9?), but I'll 3rd vote to stop some town player from accruing 'scumpoints'

i guess it's not even quite the 3rd vote, it's like me re-issuing my first vote which was striked out
i know percy will put it at 3, but i only unvoted because noone was following me, and LB backed off of her OMGUS-like stance on me when she saw DGB post.

I feel like they are scum, and I did, and you may say "well, you said you were happier with their responses", which I was. I was happy that they were off my nuts. The reason they weren't attacking me anymore was more likely to be because they are scum who cannot get a mislynch on me moreso than town who are trying to play objectively.

vote: lost butterfly

i'm still pissed off on the flip floppiness on defending me and trying to get my lynched,
i'm still enraged that mina posted off of her account, and didn't get it fixed because it was scummy
i feel bad for faraday

[Furcolow]

noone caught onto that, so i backed off to try to wagon a different cult people would actually believe me on.
im pretty happy where we're at, but xvart needs to learn to not just cast votes on people who vote him
he does that every game

[Furcolow]

i need to learn that myself, though, so pot kettle on me

[Furcolow]

And I've already pointed out two flaws in xvart's plan, so no, it's not a good idea.

But the flaws are flaws in determining if he is Cult; not determining if he is lying investigator going Murderer. The general consensus is that he is fairly cleared of being Cult, so that is almost a moot point. My point in my last post was that the plan was better when it could catch Cult and Murderer (if in the off chance the town's nonCult read of Furcolow is wrong). I still think it's a good plan because he is lying and most likely already has an insanity. Fate does not have an insanity. Commune will show if Fucolow is an Investigator going Murderer.

xvart.

too bad this is WIFOM because there is an insanity which delays a day

[Furcolow]

booking anyone doesnt prove ANYTHING because of that

[Furcolow]

unless he crafted 3 fetishes
therefore it's WIFOM

[Furcolow]

=_=" I forgot about the triple threat of fetishes. AND I guess a fellow cultist could pass him a fetish of himself. Right, well #2 is off the table then.

Luckily, I've discovered a way to make #1 work that is still ethical.

We instruct Ben to launder N4 and investigate him for blood that night too, to see if he picked Mutilation. The results should be Bloody N3 and Not Bloody N4. Is there a way around that?

cult can have res kits
res kits can cause blood
WIFOM on #1 too

[Furcolow]

so now you've regressed into openly coaching?
i thought you were better than that, fate

[Furcolow]

Bowser only has one vote, which is disappointing.

Baby Spice claiming ward that early (before xvart) gives her town points because I don't see her claiming ward if her fetish crafting failed (in such an instance as a Xvarttown flip would indite her).

BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT


LB HAS A WAGON.

LEZ GO

VOTE: Lost Butterfly

ok this is the fate i know and love

You berated me for talking about graverobbing earlier (or was that rewq? I think it was you!), and now you talk about it? I am not really for this hypocrisy, but that is not why I'm quoting this...

My intention was that we should not be deciding graverobbers till tomorrow, as we do not know how many deaths we are dealing with, and what is the optimal graverobbing strategy to go with until then.

I am confused by the concept of having town-players rob. I believe it to be to get "accurate" results of the occurrence of graverobbing, but not entirely convinced about that. In any case, with one town and one suspect it can still shut down at least one possible suspect. Each grave, if it is to be robbed, should be robbed by exactly two players, no exceptions. Even if its one town and one suspect. This is to provide the added bonus information of getting equipment or not, and to prevent Cult from gaining Corpse Dust.

I was going to put forth the idea that today's lynch should not be graverobbed to amass extra bodies for tomorrow night, but I am going to shoot that down personally as I believe the information from the flip is crucial to continuing discussion.

I agree with you
it was one of the few things we did well last game
one thing we need to implement is single shot vigs confirming town later in the game (earlier they might be tempted to go murderer)

I know he's town, that's why I'm not bothering to refute his case and expose the motivations behind it, because the only motive he has is to find scum and he's doing a terrible job with subpar tells.

I'd go through and refute them and try to convince him he's wrong, but I've already done that with Benmage today and I've had quite enough of defending myself. I rather just ignore his case and find actual scum, and I suggest you do the same. The worst case scenario is that his case goes undefended for a great part of the game, and then he misvotes me in LyLo (the possibility of his scumFate theory lasting that long through all the flips is minimal, but as I said worst case...)

@rewq: I said it was scummy that she was playing the "WHY WOULD SCUM" dance in RESPONSE to accusations about not acting as one, the initial dissonance was just Anti-Town. And yes it IS blatant wagonning and I warned everyone well in advance I'd be jumping on the largest non-AV wagon I approved of after the next VC.

you don't need to defend your vote
it is a good vote for the town even if you are bussing

[Furcolow]

OH HELL Seacore you're going to have to better than that or I WILL have to start bussing you

i hope youre joking

[Furcolow]

Defend what vote? I was talking about defending your "Case" on me which consists entirely of me calling Seacore town (iirc) and "slipping" by grammatically calling VP Baltar town when I mean *your* town play, and then went on to imply that I found him scummy.

(VP's recent posts have changed that btw)

jeeps tells #5: Admitting someone is a townie without saying "IF" (+10) (mafia knows for sure who isn't mafia)

[Furcolow]

you've done it about 5 times

[Furcolow]

Let's just skip RVS and get down to business.

(Well, actually...

Daykill: Fate

I've waited for months to do that!)

I'm in favour of a mass Noise/No noise and Ward target claim, popcorn style. Faraday and I were in favour of a mass claim, but then I noticed that players who resuscitate that night can't be resuscitated. So I don't think we should give away who has what equipment.

I think Faraday had his own opinions on who'd be most likely to go murderer, but my personal choice to go first would be VasudeVa, because of this post from the sign-up thread:

This makes me want to help a murderer win. (Especially after seeing that ultra delicious Cult win flavor yum, yum. <3.)

Someone awesome please go murderer? <3vpbaltarsottyrulezojanenspyrexmagnaofillusion I'mlookinatyou

Anyone have another choice?

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EBWOPreview: Ninja'd by RC and Magna. Do people agree that we should do it in order to maximize the chances of someone slipping up?

I myself also Heard Noise and did not Ward. I don’t think at this juncture we are going to get a ton of information out of who heard noises. Anyone who didn’t hear noise might provide something to go on as those players (if telling the truth) can’t be the target of a NK action N1 and thus should not be protected via Resuscitate.

I think it's still informative to claim if you heard noise AND ward targets, because:

1) It allows for better direction of Resuscitation/Warding tonight:

i-if someone didn't ward and heard noise, we know absolutely that he was stalked or had a fetish crafted of him (unless he's lying), and would be a good resuscitation target.

i--if someone claims to have warded you, you know you can't be killed tonight. (Although hang on, I just thought of a caveat.

Mods: will players be informed if Craft Fetish and/or Stalk fails?

) Other players would also know that a protown player who didn't hear noise would be a good ward target on N1.

2) It might be interesting to see how the numbers match up (if a suspiciously high or suspiciously low number of people claim to have heard noise, for example).

check out lost butterfly's first post
notice the "daykill: fate" ?

LB + Fate connections all throughout the game
they even defend the same people......
I WONDER WHY

[Furcolow]

...

/wrists

Re: JEEPtells, OLD TELLS ARE OLD
+
Account for Fate's arrogance
=
I WILL SAY THAT I AM RIGHT WITH 100% CERTAINTY AND I WILL BE RIGHT. THAT'S WHY SHEEPING ME IS GOOD PLAY REGARDLESS OF MY ALIGNMENT.

just because 2 gate zealot is an old brood war strategy, doesn't mean i won't own the fuck out of you with it

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: seacore

even if this guy is town, he will not help us
he obviously is incapable

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: seacore

even if this guy is town, he will not help us
he obviously is incapable

Wow, just wow. What exactly have you brought to the game Furc? Your list of certain scum? Please wait until I'm lynched and revealed as somebody with 0 insanity points before you answer that.

well i've managed to get myself confirmed to the majority of the game, as an uninformed minority, so that's bringing something!

IF you ARE an investigator, which I DOUBT, you need to find new targets
Being confirmed really suits

Seacore, you have only been attacking me since i FoSed you honestly

[Furcolow]

i'd like to see wickedestjr and SSBF move to Seacore/Lost Butterfly

[Furcolow]

if you are an investigator why are you suspicious of me for warding?
are you claiming i didnt ward?
if you are claiming i didnt ward, why would i claim ward BEFORE ANYONE ELSE?
if I didn't ward, why did El Goosuki hear noise?
i also read that wards would cause you to hear noise, but percy changed the rule on me
furthermore, i really thought my ward had gone down alphabetically at one point


how is this not convincing to you, seacore?
if you want to HELP the town, find some scum

[Furcolow]

^answer these seacore

[Furcolow]

"Launder, Craft Fetish and Ward can also cause insanity"

[Furcolow]

key word being WARD

[Furcolow]

that being said, it did not cause me any insanity, so i don't know why that's in the OP. Perhaps if you ward a stalk, or the passing of a fetish.

[Furcolow]

if you are an investigator why are you suspicious of me for warding?
are you claiming i didnt ward?
if you are claiming i didnt ward, why would i claim ward BEFORE ANYONE ELSE?
if I didn't ward, why did El Goosuki hear noise?
i also read that wards would cause you to hear noise, but percy changed the rule on me
furthermore, i really thought my ward had gone down alphabetically at one point


how is this not convincing to you, seacore?
if you want to HELP the town, find some scum

reply to this seacore

[Furcolow]

Furcolow - (MagnaofIllusion, kunkstar7, xvart, Baby Spice, Lost Butterfly, Seacore, Super Smash Bros. Fan)
of these, I can make 2 categories
those who have played with me before, and disliked me in that game they were in with me, and those who I FoSed for being cult and reactionary voted me

Group 1 (the hatas): MoI, kunk, xvart, SSBF
Group 2 (the cultists): Baby Spice, LB (3rd and 4th voters... jeep tells anyone?), and Seacore

if you are an investigator why are you suspicious of me for warding?

I'm not suspicous of you for warding. I think warding was one of the good actions. I don't entirely believe your ward claim, that is my point.

are you claiming i didnt ward?

I have no idea what you did or didn't do, I just feel there's evidence heavily suggesting that you have lied about your night action, whether you have lied about your action, target or both

if you are claiming i didnt ward, why would i claim ward BEFORE ANYONE ELSE?

why wouldn't you claim that? It's a really safe action that explains noise

if I didn't ward, why did El Goosuki hear noise?

Perhaps you stalked them, or perhaps you're cult and a fetish was made of them.

i also read that wards would cause you to hear noise, but percy changed the rule on me
furthermore, i really thought my ward had gone down alphabetically at one point


how is this not convincing to you, seacore?
if you want to HELP the town, find some scum

Well I'm trying to do that, but currently I'm having to defend myself against, what I feel were, responses to two causes of concern, you and Benmage.

OK so you're saying I'm a good lynch when my fucking action can be proved to NOT have them killed?
MY action prevents both stalks AND fetishes being crafted of them
when they don't die tomorrow or the next day,

WHAT THEN SEACORE?

In response to

lost butterfly's 934

:
i dislike how you said kunkstar, xvart, and baby spice, then used the word BOTH like you want to dismiss babyspice as she was 3rd on the list, and both wouldn't have included her. You then further that by defending seacore RIGHT AFTER.

i also dislike how you tried to lump my situation into the stupid fate/benmage pissing contest
my situation actually was relevant to the game
very happy lynching lost butterfly

Well if you FLIP Investigator no one's going to go 'HERP DERP HE MIGHT BE A MURDERER'. Before they go Psycho, Murderers can be reformed or even just be misguided Townies who eant to stay Investigator. And besides, what if someone wanted to go Murderer and took Denial last Night HUH Mister wiseguy? In conclusion, your premise is full of holes.

Sorry, but I'm going after Cult until we actually get people Murdering. Benmage doesn't count because claimed one-time Murdering Investigators make it almost impossible for them to win or do damage as Murderers if the Town doesn't fall over dead drunk.

Though you

can

[ only get an Insanity from Ward if you Ward someone who's dead, so that happens to be inapplicable.

Okay, admitidly I totally forgot about denial, although lets face it, that would not be a good insanity for a potential murderer to pick.

I'm okay with investigators using their one off kill to try and vig, but stalking N0 means you chose your target without game information, and that is anti town.

But the rest of your argument has already been told to me and has convinced me previously, that's why I'm not going after Benmage anymore.

i've mentioned it two or three times
you are admitting you don't read the thread here...
i guess you're too busy in your quicktime.

Plum, I understand if you skimmed over my giant walls of

doom

, but could I get an answer to these:

Oh, and I still haven't ISO'd AurorusVox, but I've been feeling better about AurorusVox and worse about SpyreX as the day has progressed. Plum and Benmage--aka, the people who'd cast doubt on SpyreX--exactly what in particularly bothers? Personally, he looked blindingly town at first, but it seems as though he's forcing his case a bit.

I already suspected Baltar and xvart (although I'd be surprised if both were scum based on how xvart followed Baltar onto me), and have had doubts of RC because of how shamelessly he jockeys for influence by kissing up to people, appealing to their past history, and padding his posts with fluffy jokes. (I've been meaning to ask Magna and Plum--both of whom have experience with him but have come to completely opposite reads--for a while if all the obnoxious buddying and joking is in character with ReaperCharlie's town self.)

why the negative word?
if you were town, wouldn't they be giant walls of win? hell, giant walls of <insert positive word here>
not doom
doom implies you have a subversive fucking intent
you are cult
seacore is cult
baby spice is cult
i'm not so sure of fate anymore, but he is probably fucking cult

LB's comment about Bowser is exactly why I haven't voted that way, even though I've been so tempted to. CSL did such a bad job of looking town in A Clash of Kings that even as a mod I occassionally forgot that he was town. Placing a vote on him just feels too easy. I ISO'd him to see if I'd missed a better reason, but there's nothing much there, just vague badness.

Anyway, yes, you'll get some actual suspects out of me before I got to bed tonight.

Seacore disses LB's vote for Bowser being town and scummy
Mina would be trying to vote for a scummy town player to get a mislynch because she is cult
Seacore would know this, and is faking appearing pro-town and distancing

they are cult together
it is so obvious to me
i wish it would be more obvious to you all

I'm not saying you were, I'm saying that given your position on Benmage this was a bit . . . yeah:

unvote;
vote: seacore

even if this guy is town, he will not help us
he obviously is incapable

Wow, just wow. What exactly have you brought to the game Furc? Your list of certain scum? Please wait until I'm lynched and revealed as somebody with 0 insanity points before you answer that.

Plum, I'm not saying I'm a great player. I'm fairly rubbish at scumhunting through posts, my talent comes from moments of insight when I combine investigations with claims, find holes of logic and catch scum that way. I caught 2 scum in PYP1 through that.

What I objected to was

furc

saying I was useless, when (admitidly from my unique standpoint) I'm aware that he's wrong about me, and probably wrong about LB and Fate.

The other difference was I disliked Benmage being actively anti-town rather than being rubbish-town. I feel there's a difference.

I understand that this is null, but you really need to not defend the people I'm lumping in with you as scum if you REALLY ARE TOWN YOU DON'T NEED TO DEFEND THEM. I doubt you are town, though, so whatever.

"Launder, Craft Fetish and Ward can also cause insanity"

that being said, it did not cause me any insanity, so i don't know why that's in the OP. Perhaps if you ward a stalk, or the passing of a fetish.

If anybody is keeping a tally of how confused Furc seems to be getting about the consequences of his claimed N0 action, please add this to it.

i'm not confused what so fucking ever
i protected them from any stalk or fetish
bam

@TRIGLAV

Seacore, LB, and BabySpice ALL ATTACKED ME AFTER MY FOS ON THEM
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

[Furcolow]

@Mod: I am so sorry to do this, but please replace me out of this game. As much as I would like to stay in this game, I cannot do so any longer. I've gotten way too addicted to this site and it's tearing down my grades in school, something that I feared would happen to me eventually. Plus being in two games at one time was a huge mistake for me as it required me to spend even more time on the computer. I'm that type of person who spends more time reading then posting and because of that, I spend way too much time on this game and I'm paying for it.

I will search out a replacement for myself to ensure that I get replaced properly.

Noted. I'll ask nopointinactingup first; he's the next available on my replacement list. Otherwise I'll PM you for assistance. ~Mod

Some final thoughts before I leave this game:
- One of {ReaperCharlie, Bowser, El Goosuki, Triglav} should be lynched today. They are the most likely scums.
- I do not understand The Lost Butterfly/Seacore wagon. Mina's side of the hydra resemble more like her town play in A Clash of Kings and his play lives up to it. I find the case on Seacore to be pretty weak and as a result, not lynch-worthy for today.
- Benmage should definently be watched over very closely, especially starting Day 4. I agree with AurorusVox's plan on how Benmage's fate should be decided due to Night 1 outcome.

If you people absolutely want me to, if I have not been replaced when I get home from school, I'll response to everything directed at me.

couple this with his being the last vote on me, following BS LB and SC, and I am shifting from neutral to leaning scummy simply on this post

the people he claims are "good lynches for today" seem to be more like "good mislynches to scum" from my perspective. I do not feel there is a single scum on the list of "good lynches" he made.

[Furcolow]

I was responding both to her concerns and to her confusion between "Investigator" (which is a role) and "Town" (which is a choice of alignment).

Damn, I knew I'd seen someone say that. It sort of explains what I was trying to say about Benmage. Investigator (Role) but not town (Alignment).

cult have to focus on murderers obviously to appear "(protown)" hahahaha

[Furcolow]

would like to hear more from manho