Open 256~Fire and Ice Mafia Over!

[curiouskarmadog]

i will tackle the game with an updated post this weekend...Day 4 and only 19 pages is sort of interesting....must have been some quick lynches....who would you say was responsible for those?...anything in particular interesting going on that you feel should be noted?

[curiouskarmadog]

also mod: you now owe me for a future game replacement.

[curiouskarmadog]

quick questions (sorry if these are repeats, starting my read)

MOD: can mafia cross kill?

and, what happens if at the start of the day it is 1v1v1?..who wins?

[curiouskarmadog]

MOD: can mafia cross kill?

and, what happens if at the start of the day it is 1v1v1?..who wins?

[curiouskarmadog]

votecount

mallowgeno(3): Scott Brosius, curiouskarmadog, Zed
Zed(2): JesseSheffield, mallowgeno
Not voting(1): Robocopter87

With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Deadline is November 15.

also mod: you now owe me for a future game replacement.

No I don't. You decided to replace in. Live with your decision. I'd owe you if you replaced into SWN IIIS, though.

MOD: can mafia cross kill?

If you're asking whether they can kill the same person, no. It cancels out. If you're asking whether they can kill each other, then yes. They are not NK immune.

and, what happens if at the start of the day it is 1v1v1?..who wins?

The game wouldn't end, because everything except a town win could happen, basically.

really mod?...you dont want to pay that?.....ewwww karma is going to get your ass.

also...if it gets to 1v1v1...and the remaining town refuses to vote...what happens?

ok reading now.

[curiouskarmadog]

also, there is a place I will be going with these questions

[curiouskarmadog]

also...if it gets to 1v1v1...and the remaining town refuses to vote...what happens?

Presumably, the mafia would lynch the townie and draw, or a no lynch. If a no lynch occurred, the game would still not end as it would depend on the night choices.

Deadline is fixed.

got to my point, mafia.....you better be more concerned with wiping out the other group than hitting townies at this point.

all townies, if you find yourself in a 1v1v1 situation, do not vote...if you vote we lose...if you dont vote we draw..

that should force mafia to hunt each other.

[curiouskarmadog]

Do you have any opinions outside of the setup?

relax, i told you I was reading the game and will put up a post this weekend, so what was the point of this post? You have an issue with me understanding the set-up going into the read? Question for you SB, did you know the above about the game before I asked it?

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Typing as I am reading, this will probably be a wall of words…if it gets out hand, I will break up the post. Going into the read I know Lowell was Ice scum…currently we are at 3v2v1, so it is extremely important that we nail scum today….hopefully fire scum….and hopefully our doc gets lucky with his protection tonight. Typing things I feel need to be noted for later.

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First couple of pages are slow and typical

Kat/shotty was modkilled (later?) but was town…don(town) attacked him early (44) and tan quickly followed with a vote(45), robo also joins the wagon(49)…wow guys really rocking out a wagon on day 2 based on nothing…wagons are not scummy, but I know that your target was town so….just nothing this…jesse also states we is thinking about voting kat (52)…with terrible reasoning (SUPER SCUMMY). Robo calls him out for this (53) but doesn’t do anything about it. (noted)..Lowellscum also states he will vote him (58) Jesse and robo argue for a bit…Kat requests a replacement (66)…shotty enters the game…everyone hates.

CSL (now SB) talks about getting a replacement because of shotty then votes him (84)…for the record CSL I have seen you fake claim cop and lose the fucking game for town, so you have absolutely no fucking reason to complain about anyone. Tan (now zed) votes shotty (90) and the town wagon keeps rolling based on bullshit.
(92)

L-2 on Page Four.

Well.

what is the point of this post?...if you had a problem with this, why not unvote...this sounds like fake concern.

Jmurph(town) puts shotty at -1 (104), shotty claims vt (108), don fake hammers (116)
(134) shotty sucks ass and gets modkilled (looks like he hasn’t changed)…at the time of his death his wagon was this.
drmyshottyizsik(5): don_johnson(town), tanstalas(zed), Robocopter87, CSL(SB), jmurph3 (town), this isn’t an accurate vote count, mod leaves Lowell (scum) off the list.

Day 2 starts, rude (who hasn’t done anything) is offed…he is a vt…only one kill???

Don(town) is lynched on this day. After his (143) post I would have felt he was scum too(at first). “I really thought shotty was scum” was a bad post….robo says something similar in (157)..he also says he wants to vote don, but doesn’t want a quick wagon…then votes him in (163)…so much for that. CSL is also on this lynch (150) based on??? Jesse finally joins the wagon (194) out of the 3 votes on don, this is the only one that looks legit. This puts Don at -3. Like mallow robo vote at this point (206), Lowel (scum) puts dj at -2 (214)…robo attack don “what did you accomplish Day 1”…lol, hypocrite.

A counter wagon on jmurph (town) emerges, surprised to the Lowellscum unvote the don wagon (255)..

Vote count as of 261 is
don_johnson(3): CSL, Robocopter87, JesseSheffield
jmurph3(3): CommieX, don_johnson, mothrax
Robocopter87(2): mallowgeno, jmurph3

Don unvotes, votes robo (265)

Don and Jesse go on for a page or more, don vote jesse in (316)

Jesse vote Don (331), don flakes out votes self (332)…another person I will avoid games with., then Jmurph votes him (334), followed by mallow (335)

Lynch count 348
don_johnson(dumbass town): CSL (SB), Robocopter87, JesseSheffield, don_johnson (town), jmurph3(town), mallowgeno

so at this point both SB and Robo have been on both town lynches.

Two deaths, moth and jmurph

SB enters game (342) with a long post voting Lowell at the end of it. Followed by a vote from Jesse (342)
SB and Lowellscum like the idea of the doc claiming...
Robo is prodded, vote Lowell (364), Lowell gives him scum team thoughts and votes SB (373)
(379) Robo blatantly admits to advertising for a Lowell lynch (sounds like you must really know)..why weren’t you advertising so loudly for the town lynches you were on earlier? Mallow votes Lowell (380)
382, Lowell lynched.

Night comes and goes….and no one dies? Doc saves again…..and the other team…uhhh??

Well, lets check who did post between 10/29 and 11/01…
Robo and mallow posted a bunch, Zed and jesse posted,
SB posted 10/28 and not again until 11/01 at 7pm..the game opened at 5:40
Well if I was a betting man, I would say SB is one of your remaining mafia…dude was not on to get in a kill…its called scum hunting bitches…and I just got one.

/broken record doctor should claim.

yeah, i bet you would like that...if you got your wish yesterday...the doc wouldnt be around today.
ok, caught up…

ok kids…two of your 3 remaining scum is Scott and Robo…

I am worried that scott is probably Ice mafia with Lowell (yeah he bussed)….everyone else posted, one kill didn’t get submitted….Ice only has one more member..and scott didn’t post during that time…if we lynch him and the doc misses tonight it puts us at 2v2 tomorrow….we really need him to cross kill.

Vote Robo

Fake concern, lynched two townies, generally scummy actions in the game….
This is an easy vote.

tomorrow town, please lynch Scott....for I am sure he is super pissed I caught him I expect to die tonight.

[curiouskarmadog]

Well this is amusing. Your case on me is that I wasn't around during night (whatever that means) and there was no kill? Did you read the beginning of the day where most of us agreed it's 100x more likely that fire and ice shot the same person, thereby canceling out their kills, rather than the very rare possibility of a group forgetting to kill AND the doctor protecting the exact other person who was targeted? It's really bizarre that this is your case especially after you went to such care to discuss the setup and power of the mafia.

As for the setup, we had already discussed cross-kills went through but same kills did not. So yes I knew that. The 1v1v1 situation I did not.

Why would you rather nail fire scum today? To me it's a wash. Lynching Ice means there is only 1 NK, but there are no chances at cross-kills. Lynching fire means the mafia can kill each other, but they could also kill 2 town members.

Well this is amusing. Your case on me is that I wasn't around during night (whatever that means) and there was no kill? Did you read the beginning of the day where most of us agreed it's 100x more likely that fire and ice shot the same person, thereby canceling out their kills,

oh right I forgot about that...killing the same person counters each other.....but my scenario is just as plausible as the other one, is it not?

in reference to the 1v1v1 questions, then if you did not know that, as town, THAT was good knowledge to have...so what was the purpose of busting my balls about asking setup related questions when it as good for the town to know?

[curiouskarmadog]

[quote"curiouskarmadog"]only one kill???

Did you forget about the doctor?

I personally, don't find either of your cases to be very convincing, and I don't plan on looking at scott of robo myself after it.[/quote]

out of my whole post THAT is the only thing worth mentioning?.....can you go over your case for mallow for me again?...why is he scummer than robo?

[curiouskarmadog]

Hm. I'm not really sure what to think of CKD in this game. I can't say he's said anything that has really struck me as truly inspiring or convincing or anything of the sorts. I'm pretty convinced Robo is scum but I, like I've said earlier, I don't think he's an Ice so I'm sticking with my vote.

why do you think robo is scum?

why do you think (tell me again) zed is scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

only one kill???

Did you forget about the doctor?

I personally, don't find either of your cases to be very convincing, and I don't plan on looking at scott of robo myself after it.

out of my whole post THAT is the only thing worth mentioning?.....can you go over your case for mallow for me again?...why is he scummer than robo?

Yes, that is all I found. All you did was summerize the thread for us, you hardly voiced any opinions. That doesn't really help.

Why should I go over my case against mallow again? I did it three times on the last page. One of them even has links. Go read them yourself.

And I don't find Robo that scummy right now.

"why should I go over my case"? arent you trying to convince us that you think X is scummy? bonus scum points for that statement. you should be chomping at the bit to convince people that someone "who you supposedly think is scummy" is indeed scummy, but I ask you to do it again and you give me shit? maybe I had a reason for asking for it....shouldnt you be scum hunting?..instead of saying.."here is the link to my case of why i think mallow is scummy, I would really like you stance on this today"..you say "go read them yourself"

I dont believe you really think mallow is scum....

for that,

unvote, vote zed.

[curiouskarmadog]

also that puts him at -1

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote.

[curiouskarmadog]

waiting for everyone to check in after the claim...could be scum wanting to draw out the doc.

[curiouskarmadog]

it also should be noted that robo could have hammered.

[curiouskarmadog]

well we got 3 days...and some people have to check in....

Jesse, when you wrote your last post, how far had you read into the game?

[curiouskarmadog]

vote Robo

Going back to my original vote.

can you please go over the reason for said vote again.

[curiouskarmadog]

i am curious about the case too...i mean, i have my reasons and did state I thought robo was scum, but...would like to hear your thoughts first before replacing the vote.

[curiouskarmadog]

would also like jesse to post.

[curiouskarmadog]

mallow, you posted several times today....deadline is almost here...not sure why you are not answering my question.

[curiouskarmadog]

well..not so sure now..

had you, SB, and later zed as scum...was apparently wrong about zed....

would return my vote to you, but something about mallow's vote bothers me...so was waiting to see some content..

Jesse and mallow both are letting this day run out...this bothers me as well.

[curiouskarmadog]

what part of robo´s play deem him town?

[curiouskarmadog]

robo, why do you think SB thinks your town..do you think your actions are towny?

[curiouskarmadog]

who cares if he didnt share his list? The only reason you knew he had a "list" was because he brought it to your attention. I for one HATE town lists..it puts targets on people back...

[curiouskarmadog]

wtf?..our deadline is tomorrow!!!!

vote jessesheffield.

[curiouskarmadog]

Alright so I feel like there are players in this game who aren't really putting in effort,.

wow really? and you think zed is scum?...guess you missed the uncountered doc claim then?..easy to do with all that effort you are putting into the game....oh wait.

[curiouskarmadog]

deadline is today sometime (time?)

I think robo is scummy, but for none of the reasons mallow stated, actually mallow's case is quite shitty, which makes me question my decision...

jesse coming out and saying that SB is 100% town, makes me wonder how he has got said information....nothing in SB's play screams town...or 100% anything...

[curiouskarmadog]

xpost, that being said zed, why not lynch jesse?...you think his play is town?

[curiouskarmadog]

ok, you are apparently the only one whose opinion I dont have to question..

unvote, vote mallow.

[curiouskarmadog]

Is Jesse being replaced?

just in case mod missed it

I think Jesse is the way to go....SB, I am still interested in why you think that Jesse thinks you are a 100% town.

also, going to be laeving today, back on monday.

[curiouskarmadog]

got a hot second..checking in...

fine with a jesse lynch...still not getting why SB is 100% town in his view....if he really believed that, he should be voting Robo or myself....yet...no votes...no posts...no anything...dont have time to see if he is posting any where else on site....no need for me to vote now (when it will be unintended)..

[curiouskarmadog]

@jesse, give me a couple examples?....follow up: out of everything that happened, why are you asking that question?...was my entrance into the game, scummy?...why or why not?...if no, then what is the point of asking?

[curiouskarmadog]

@also at jesse, do not avoid the questions being asked of you again....I am sorry if you got RL issues...be replaced then, but you cant avoid questions with a post that has no scum hunting value to it and little content.

[curiouskarmadog]

no, I am not playing dumb and quit stalling, i want to know the EXACT posts you are talking about.

[curiouskarmadog]

You know very well that I’m referring to your first, third, fourth, and fifth posts of the game.

1. CKD why did you start the game asking a whole bunch of unnecessary questions that could've been answered by simply reading either a. the rules to the game or b. the thread?

1,

i will tackle the game with an updated post this weekend...Day 4 and only 19 pages is sort of interesting....must have been some quick lynches....who would you say was responsible for those?...anything in particular interesting going on that you feel should be noted?

Why do my questions bother you? I wasnt entering the game and wanted people to know I was reading...in the meantime I was wondering what people thought. I found that fact we were in Day 4 on PAGE 19 very interesting…it is called scum hunting, something you are not doing in this game.

3,

quick questions (sorry if these are repeats, starting my read)

MOD: can mafia cross kill?

and, what happens if at the start of the day it is 1v1v1?..who wins?

I obviously didn’t see the X kill thing and wanted to understand it, but my 1v1v1 question wasn’t in the rules and WAS A VERY GOOD QUESTION…what is more important is why you weren’t concerned about that question.

4, see above about 1v1v1…the other bit was a conversation with the mod.

5,

also, there is a place I will be going with these questions

There was a place….I was curious, why the remaining players weren’t interested in this…ALSO, I was hoping that mafia would realize that their current actions were going to lead them no where…and that they would focus on hitting each other at night, versus us. but apparently they are not quite that smart. The fact that you don’t get what I was trying to do there is quite telling…

So now my questions are yet STILL UNANSWERED…you are not trying to scum hunt…you point your finger at me for not reading the game (WHEN I HAD JUST REPLACED INTO IT) like you have never seen anyone replace into a game before…what was the point of your question?..what is the ah ha moment? You keep stalling answering my questions, but demand I answer yours….

also I find it interesting that you remained in (requested to stay in) this game during your absence....I bet a quick meta will find other results...

Vote Jesse

you are scum

[curiouskarmadog]

As for you CKD, those are all irrelevant points. The questions you asked at the beginning of the game were not relevant because any logical Mafia player would've already deduced all of it. And as for making the scum "realize" anything, that's just plain crap.

They'd have no reason to listen to you

, it doesn't make any sense. So what I want to know is why, right from the beginning, you're attempting to lead conversation in an unproductive manner. Like you're currently doing right now. Because sitting around pouting "you're not scumhunting!" is going back to right where you started when I came back in, playing dumb. It's attempting to deride a player's credibility by illogically claiming they're not doing anything. The only players who gain an advantage from that type of play, is scum. No town players play that way.

So to answer your question Robocopter, you and CKD are scum.

how do you know they wouldnt listen to me.

also, where in the rules was my question about 1v1v1 at?...did you already know that? if so how?

also since you refuse to answer my other questions, can you please explain what is so towny or non scummy about avoiding DIRECT QUESTIONS?....not sure why I am asking, I am sure you will avoid this one too, because I got your scummy ass backed against a wall.

[curiouskarmadog]

Do you think we could confirm people by checking who Zed protected? Or is that a bad idea? I mean, its a possibility that we could catch scum by this idea, seeing the amout of Saves/crosskills. Whichever. I mean, it probably wouldn't be 100% confirmed but It still is valuable info.

Zed, you have nothing to say about this? Or are you still typing it up? Because this very much applies to you.

also this is a bad idea...I cant think of one towny reason why town should know this....however, scum might like to know this information so to pin point their opposing faction.

Robo, I am curious, how could this information be used to confirm anyone?

[curiouskarmadog]

(looking to SB or Zed to hammer or explain why the Jesse lynch is a bad one)

[curiouskarmadog]

I am sure that has nothing to do with the fact that jesse thinks your 100% town, but refuses to justify the statement, even when asked directly....commenting on the rest when I have the time (thurs fri)

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about a page behind, but I am curious, jesse, why isnt your vote on me already...that would put me at -1.

[curiouskarmadog]

Well Jesse took the words right out of my mouth, Robo. At this point I would think I'm near confirmed to everyone.

Going to look at players hopefully tonight. I expect to pay special attention to Robo since he has recently had some anti-town thought (wanting to know who I protected, etc, I'll go in detail wit my thoughts later)

zed you are confirmed in my book and I am not sure why this is even still in discussion...and Robo wanting to know about who you protected is not so much anti-town and just pro-scum (there is a difference)...it really did sound like scum trying to figure out who the other scum was..that being said, maybe he geniunely felt there could be a way to find scum from it...need to reread it and catch up.


Zed,

here is my issue at this point...I am not scum..there are 2 scum between Robo, Jesse, and SB...jesse is claiming that SB is 100% town....that simply can not be OR Jesse is scum and knows SB is town (somehow) and is trying to buy a bud...it appears to be working..cause SB's vote is on me....lets say Robo is scum....we lynch him....mafia most likley will pop off you (zed)...that leaves me with SB and jesse (who would also "like" my lynch).....town is going to lose.

that is how it is going to play out going down the robo lynch...zed, I hope you see that or at least see the possibility...I am down right begging you to hammer jesse.....

if you wont, please....consider taking me out today instead....it will be 1v1v2(town)...our only hope will be that mafia either both try offing you..or they hit each other...that is a better chance of us winning than lynching robo today and leaving me alone with jesse and SB tomorrow...

[curiouskarmadog]

yeah scum bag..i got you....

you can call it an appeal if you like...I also bet you are the type of person to say "overreaction is scummy" too..

sure it is an appeal, but it doesnt change the facts, if i go into tomorrow with you and SB...I am dead and town loses.

the only shot of us winning, is lynching you OR me today....

but now that I am at -1...if Robo is scum, that hammer will be fast...I hope Zed logs soon.

[curiouskarmadog]

I also dont believe for a SECOND that you believe this statement....

Vote: CKD

Town players just don't play like this. They don't beg and plead from other player, they don't go for the quickest/easiest lynch they can, and they don't throw out little appeals left and right hoping someone catches up on them. .

[curiouskarmadog]

have you said it as scum too?

[curiouskarmadog]

or maybe you can provide a link where as town you said something like that?

wait...why the fuck do you care what I think?...i thought you want everyone to beleive you think I am scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

That's not my job CKD. It's not my job to make others "believe" what I want them to believe. My job is to find scum, lynch scum, and if people don't listen then that's not my problem. And how about you go find it yourself if you're that interested.

AND you are unwilling to prove yourself...how is that towny?....please zed..please fucking note this.

[curiouskarmadog]

Really CKD? Go meta me. I've said it multiple times.

didnt think I would call you on this bluff......

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@ jesse, you say, you say it all the time...when I ask you to show me, you dont...yeah, i am calling your bluff..if you say it all the time show me.

@zed, (sigh)...I am sorry you dont trust me..I am telling it like it is...believe me or not...trust me less or not..it still is the truth...you can easily test the honesty my words by lynching me...what part of what I said is anti town?....if we lynch robo and he is scum....scum will off you. you are on unprotected uncountered doc, that is just how this game works....that will leave me tomorrow with Jesse and SB, who both are voting me..and who will probably vote me tomorrow...

look at it from my point of view...I am town..lynching robo and all things being probable and constant....I am dead tomorrow..

so you really need to lynch me or Jesse..

I know you dont know if I am scum or town...but look at it from my point of view as both then...but as town, i hope you see that I am correct in my assumptions.

[curiouskarmadog]

also zed, i am not sure why you are completely over looking this.

Really CKD? Go meta me. I've said it multiple times.

And how about you go find it yourself if you're that interested.

[curiouskarmadog]

Jesse, i dare you to show me you are not lying with this statement.

I also dont believe for a SECOND that you believe this statement....

Vote: CKD

Town players just don't play like this. They don't beg and plead from other player, they don't go for the quickest/easiest lynch they can, and they don't throw out little appeals left and right hoping someone catches up on them. .

how about this Jesse...if you can prove you are not lying with this statement..I will hammer myself.

[curiouskarmadog]

that is what I thought..you cant....what about me asking you to prove you are not lying makes you sick.

bullshit..plan and simple...you can insult me all you want...but I caught you in a lie.

[curiouskarmadog]

if you really want everyone to believe you think i am scum..you should be chomping at the bit to a.) prove you are not a fucking liar...and b.) getting me to hammer myself....

please sweet god, someone else see that he is scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

Really CKD? Go meta me. I've said it multiple times.

I didnt make THIS claim..this is what I want you to show me....maybe I have already meta-ed and saw it was a lie....or maybe I just missed it..either way...you said this..I didnt..

[curiouskarmadog]

it is not poor mafia play...I have caught you in a lie...the reason you wont provide the link is because you cant....

you lied.

zed, you can think my assumptions are scummy, but I have not lied to you about anything.

[curiouskarmadog]

ok, backing myself up, I looked at a couple games and I never saw you say it once......sooooo....maybe I over looked it, show me where I am wrong...and you can call it "retarded" all you want...but the fact is..you lied..and I caught you...KEEP SQURIMING SCUM BAG.

[curiouskarmadog]

going to reread.....robo, i do think some of those points against SB are a stretch, going to see what I find.....also interested to see what SB thinks of your "case".

[curiouskarmadog]

going to be posting my thoughts this weekend....one of the two of you is scum..both I have suspected at one time or the other..

going into the read, I am leaning Robo as scum.....his wanting the doc to claim his actions seemed scummy, coming out of the gate with the SB "case" didnt rub me right, and finally after I didnt eat up the SB case and SB comes out and once again demostrates suspicion of me, robo covers his bases with a "I dont know what to think" post. Also, i have seen CSL get replaced before...but I have never seen him leave a mafia role...got to reread to see how that went down and if he was posting in other games durign that period.

that being said...SB coming asking for the doc to claim so early, I felt was scummy...and if I recall, i think lowell agreed with SB at the time...sb, do you still stand behind wanting the doc to claim so early?..good or bad idea..why?

I need to read the sequence of events again to make sure my memory is serving me correctly.

[curiouskarmadog]

did you ever consider, instead of the doc just claiming....waiting till someone was at -1, then having them claim?..at that time, if it was a fake claim then the other doc should come out...there was a chance that someone might get to -1 and not claim doc...thus protecting the doc for another night.

I found the action scummy, what I am trying to figure out is, if you really believed it.

[curiouskarmadog]

Robo can you link a game where you were scum?

CKD: I doubt scum would fakeclaim doctor especially in a 2 scum group game. It basically dooms the fakeclaimer while putting the other scum group in a superior position. One scum group means that they are the only ones benefiting from an outed doctor. Two scum groups this isn't the case. Granted some people play this game stupidly, but I saw the chance of a scum fakeclaiming doctor to be pretty low.

i see your point now, I guess I didnt look at it that way. and with both groups killing, an outed doc might draw both kills (thus cancelling out)...which might have happened anyway. I dont know if I still agree with it, but from your POV(if town), I guess I can see how you might have been trying to thin out the pool of suspects. I felt like our Doc was a chance to help win this thing...when I saw you wanted him to claim...I thought "wtf, how is that a good idea"....

ok hoping to hit this game this weekend when I dont have two seconds.

[curiouskarmadog]

I just don’t see SB as scum now…my main issues with SB when entering the game the lack of posting during the night when there was no night kill and the asking for a doc claim. I missed the part where the cross kills of the same person would cancel out the kill. And I can see where he thought he was shrinking the possible pool of suspects with the asking of the doc claim. Also, I have seen CSL get replaced out before, but I really really really doubt he would of left a scum role…looking at his game log around 10/16 (after the marathon) he had other games he chose to stay in.

In the read…Robo is coming off scummy…here is why…some of these points are weak, but added up on a whole it looks scummy…in reading Robo, he goes out of the way to look like the nice town.
1.)

robo and jesse are both town. robo for pushing a game otherwise ripe for scum-stalling-for-win; jesse just on gut.

katsui is a fine lynch. I'll add my vote if needed.

this post on the 3rd page by Lowell, sets up why he will not vote Robo. At this point in the game (58) Robo hasn’t “pushed” anything…He does call jesse out for something he has been pressuring jesse at this point, but that’s it. So why is Robo town for pushing Jesse (who Lowell has a gut town “read” on) and Jesse is town just a gut read. Lowell read on Robo is based on nothing and is essentially a gut read too, but he doesn’t label it so.

This point is weak because later in game (173)Lowell

DJ and robo both look bad with the "no, really guys, I thought he was scum!" posts. They both look like they're overcompensating for being on the wagon. I could vote either. jesse looks town.

I was going to take this point back, but Lowell is again just offering lip service. This is the next day (after the above post)…he doesn’t follow this up with again…I could go into a bunch of reasons why I think this is scummy, but it is really just speculation….but in post (214)(see point 4) he ends up voting DJ with Robo.

Oh wait, no we are back to town again…again for no reason (255)

251 is the right response to 250. Town lists are awesome. Speaking of, jesse and robo are both town, and don looks less and less like the right lynch.

unvote

Why does Lowell keep talking about Robo? No one is asking him to.

2.) I mentioned this is my read of the game when I replaced in..

L-2 on Page Four.

Well.

@ CSL's Pedit #2
I KNO RITE?

this is looks like fake concern...is you really really cared..why did you unvote?...when I asked this of you when I entered to game (471) you ignore this question entirely. why?

3.) I mention this in my read too.
157

Ugh. I really wanna vote DJ but I don't want another Quick wagon then modkill again. I think we need more info and conversation than we had Day One.

I'm going to refrain from placing a vote for now. I need to get a nice Primary suspect.

Then just 6 posts later, boom a vote. What happened to not wanting a quick wagon? That again was fake concern…It also should be noted that Don voted jesse, who Robo was pushing day 1 as scum…Robo’s opinion of jesse ONLY changes when a wagon heats up on Don

4.) (214)

DJ has MUCH the worse of the little dj/jesse spat. Citing his own meta as a defense is a clincher for me.

vote dj

Lowell doesn’t provide much content on this day…in (173) he mentions he find Robo and Dj scummy….but he doesn’t vote Robo…he votes DJ(town) with Robo.

5.)(242) Robo to DJ(town)

No.

Answer the frikkin question,

WHAT DID

YOU

accomplish Day One?

What was the point of this attack?..what did you accomplish day 1?

6.) he was on two townie lynches.

7.)

Do you think we could confirm people by checking who Zed protected? Or is that a bad idea? I mean, its a possibility that we could catch scum by this idea, seeing the amout of Saves/crosskills. Whichever. I mean, it probably wouldn't be 100% confirmed but It still is valuable info.

I really have felt a strong gut read for Scoot. Thats really all I have for him being town. I don't see much scum in him. If push came to shove though, he probably fallls into the PoE.

The first part…this information WOULD ONLY HELP SCUM….there is nothing town to get out of this.

8.) He comes out today swinging at SB with a really really weak case..

When I don’t jump on it with a ton of enthusiasm and SB demonstrates suspicion in me he sways to leave himself open with this post.

Well, I don't know what to think.

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I am probably going to vote Robo today….I am going to let this sit though..

[curiouskarmadog]

under .2) it is supposed to the "why didnt you unvote"

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i see the vote....going to read to see what I missed.

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havent read robo's post yet....will try to get to this asap...

also, skimmed SB's post...why no reply Robo?

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Yeah, tell him Scott voted me, he'll come running.

why do you say that?...do you think i am scum?

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I forgot about the jmurph kill...

hate being the deciding vote here, but..

vote Robo

....

really thought going into today I was going to be the lynch. Especially if Robo was lynched yesterday....basically HAD to beg for zed to vote Jesse...I hope I was a good replacement for the town in the end.

Robo...were you scum?

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you should have listened to me mafia and been more worried about each other than trying to kill townies.

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also, if CSl replaces out in a game..he only leaves townie roles...

[curiouskarmadog]

Um we had been targeting the other scum team during our NK's but Robo was getting protected.

robo was getting protected?....well, who was robo killing?

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Not that I'd really have to defend my play to you of all people lol.

no need to defend..

i got your meta, when you refuse to answer questions when you get backed into a wall you are scum..

when you go for the insults...you are scum..

got it.

[curiouskarmadog]

DARNIT. I WAS SO CLOSE. IM SO SORRY LOWELL.

I thought Bussing Lowell would make me win the game. I survived so long without him.

Modding was good, I didn't think N5 needed to go the full night unless it really took a long time for something to be sent in. There was no way scum wasn't NKing the confirmed townie at that point.

That was me. i was checking to see if you were still active on the site. If you weren't. i was going to no kill and then pin it on you. Winning the game for me. But I saw you weren't. So I killed Zed obviously. But I thought with so much against you I could win.

But really, The Jmurph kill made your decision CKD? I mean cmon, thats what you lynched me off of? There wasn't a claimed cop at the time, we were looking for the doc and the other scum team. It had nothing to do with him suspecting me.

I did Good IMO. Good Job town, though I hate you all. lol

that wasnt the only thing...there were so many points against you (see first case) not to mention when I first entered the game, you were the leader on my scum dar.

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It wasn't "well done".

They voted me off of gut. I had much more against scott than he had against me. I just looked worse. Though I don't really even know how I looked worse. Seeing how I pushed all those scum lynches. even if I wasn't Ice Scum the Two Fire Mafia wagons were totally town. The thing about the two scumteams was that it made me scumhunt. And I nailed them.

this is coming off slightly "bad loser"-ish....I pegged you as scum when I entered the game and had a case on you coming into today...so that is hardly gut.

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i did meta you..that is how I knew you were scum

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For the record you didn't back me into a corner CKD. If you'd actually meta'd me you would've known I was correct so either a) you're lying or b)...actually that's pretty much it lol.

well now the game is over..care to share that link?