Open 256~Fire and Ice Mafia Over!

[Robocopter87]

VOTE: Robocopter87

Die Noob.
Obvscum is obv when he reads the thread and thinks he posted and didn't.

Obviously intentionally lurking.

Scum.

[Robocopter87]

You are not funny.

Geeze CSL who jacked up your fun meter?

GET ON THE ROBO WAGON. NOW.

[Robocopter87]

:bored at this game:

Cmon people say stuff!

[Robocopter87]

really? We are still on page 2?

Cmon people, even my "Start my own wagon to create discussion" didn't work.

BE ACTIVE.

[Robocopter87]

You people do know that we only have ten days till deadline right?

If we are going to have to wait for prods to get people to talk this game might as well be handed to scum.

Mallow,
I don't even understand what you mean.

[Robocopter87]

and you're still sitting there creating bandwagons on yourself.

You're one to talk about lack of scumhunting.

So?

Now tell me, where did I say that?

[Robocopter87]

You never said it Robo, you just implied it. And what I meant was that you're complaining about lack of discussion when you could start discussion on your own.

What do you think I was doing?

I frikkin started my own wagon don't tell me I ain't trying to start discussion.

Oh and the first part of you're quote here is non important to me. I wasn't asking you. I was asking kat. Let her/him answer.

[Robocopter87]

What do you think I was doing?

I frikkin started my own wagon don't tell me I ain't trying to start discussion.

Oh and the first part of you're quote here is non important to me. I wasn't asking you. I was asking kat. Let her/him answer.

Someone is getting feisty

vote Robo

I hope this is a joke. If it is its not very funny, if its not, then you seriously need to actually read what you just said. Really, take a second and think about why you just voted me. Do it.

You serious Katsuki?
UNVOTE: Robo
VOTE: Katsuki

Total twisting of my words to make me look bad. I most definitely was not implying that. I was literally addressing the lack of activity.

My guess on scumbuddy, Mallow.
You said,

And what I meant was that you're complaining about lack of discussion when you could start discussion on your own.

I then said,

What do you think I was doing?

I frikkin started my own wagon don't tell me I ain't trying to start discussion.

You replied by the top quote where you voted me. You didn't even read what you were replying to did you? And since when does Aggressive=Scum?

[Robocopter87]

For the record, zwets is at least 16, I think it's 17.

I'm also considering voting Katsuki...because I don't like him. It's terrible reasoning but whatever at this point.

You're right, thats horrible reasoning.

You vote people if they are scum. RVS is over. We are being serious now.

[Robocopter87]

Actually that's incorrect. I vote to lynch. I don't do the whole RVS or any of that. I rarely policy lynch but occasionally I will.

So that's GRATE if you only vote for people if they're scum, but don't tell me how to vote. It's not going to work.

I said, "Vote people who are scum" and you replied, " Thats incorrect"

You do realize that you just said Voting scum isn't correct right?

[Robocopter87]

So I should not vote scum? Is that what you are getting at here?

[Robocopter87]

I said to vote scum and you said wrong!

THATS WHERE IM GETTING IT FROM.

[Robocopter87]

You shouldn't "Vote to Lynch" unless its deadline.

You vote for people who you think are scum, not just to vote.

[Robocopter87]

So you don't vote scum, and you don't vote to lynch. What do you vote for?

[Robocopter87]

My prior post should not include the word don't but either way that doesn't change my policy that I only vote to lynch.

Thats a stupid policy, so if you know someone is confirmed town, and you're town, you vote them just for the sake of lynching someone?

Katsuki is being stupid. Scummy leave right there. My vote stays.
DMSIS replaced in, BIG SUPRISE. Learn a lesson. Don't join too many games.
CSL don't be stupid.

[Robocopter87]

Katsuki,

Her actions and her leaving.

[Robocopter87]

L-2 on Page Four.

Well.

@ CSL's Pedit #2
I KNO RITE?

[Robocopter87]

CSL....

No they are not, explain how..

Seriously?

Lets lynch this scumbag.

[Robocopter87]

Someone Hamma. I don't believe his claim, his omgus vote is just adding to it.

[Robocopter87]

Ah. I see your point.

You misinterpreted my words, as I did yours.

What I meant is that you should vote for who you

think

is scum. You don't know who

is

scum unless you have information from your role etc(won't go deep into that).

What I thought you meant was that you voted for anyone just for the heck of it. Which you didn't you clearly meant ( now its clear) that you voted people but didn't know if they were scum so it isn't "Voting for scum".

Do you understand? For I think I understand what you said.

[Robocopter87]

Alright well I'm glad we're on the same page now but I don't really believe that you thought shotty was scum, it seemed much more like a policy lynch to me, correct?

No.
I thought Shotty was scum.
Also he was modkilled but still. I literally thought he was scum.

Ugh. I really wanna vote DJ but I don't want another Quick wagon then modkill again. I think we need more info and conversation than we had Day One.

I'm going to refrain from placing a vote for now. I need to get a nice Primary suspect.

[Robocopter87]

robo: why do you want to vote me? and why do you think there would be another modkill?

What I was asying was that I don't want another quicklynch. But it the first one wasn't a quicklynch so i didnt kno what to say.

I want to vote you because of your vote. Just look at it.

[Robocopter87]

I want to vote you because of your vote. Just look at it.

i don't need to look. i voted the least active player imo. considering the bandwagon analysis is compromised due to a modkill, i don't see how its a bad place to start.

Total BS on this one.

What about jmurph? Lowell? CommieX?

Just look at page 3. Me and Jesse were brawlin it out. If you are going to accuse him of low activity, might as well accuse me too.

And what bout yourself? You haven't done that much either!

VOTE: Don_Johnson

[Robocopter87]

\

sorry, didn't mean to accuse him of low activity. i am accusing him of activity with no benefit. fluff posting. not voting. etc. imo he was the most useless player on day 1 and one of only two players not voting at the end of the day(though the day was shortened). i felt it was a good place to start

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You serious? You are serious aren't you? Oh god lol hahaha

[sarcasm]Yea you did soooooooooooooooo much in comparison to him. Totally.[/sarcasm]

Anywho,

@Lowell
So you think I look bad because I voted for someone who I thought was scum?

[Robocopter87]

Jesse is right, just because you vote doesn't mean you helped. You provided nothing Day One.

It was such a big deal because it was frikkin scummy thats why.

[Robocopter87]

You have no backing for your vote. When you finally give backing, its a load of crap and hypocrisy.

[Robocopter87]

Oh didn't see Mallow there either. Well so many people inactive D_J, yet you voted Jesse for no content?

[Robocopter87]

The difference is that was all you did while I didn't just vote Katsuki, I discussed other matters also.

Why is not voting scummy?

[Robocopter87]

I'll tell you what happened, you acted like a frikkin scumbag. Thats what.

[Robocopter87]

Oh oh oh, I thought D_J was the person that I was defending against!

No, well to redo my defense,
"D_J started acting like a frikking scumbag thats what!"

[Robocopter87]

dj is acting like dj. nothing scummy about voting in a game like this...

No. I don't use Meta in an actual game to decide if someone is scum or town.

Try again.

[Robocopter87]

Haha, yeah right! You are perfectly towny like! Of course!

[/sarcasm]

[Robocopter87]

No no no.

Just because you vote doesn't mean you are town.
Participating is good, though that doesn't mean you are town.

Jesse vote was bad. You had no backing to it, and when you did provide backing, it was false. Jesse did participate and provide content. And just because he didn't vote doesn't mean he is scum.

jmurph vote is null.

[Robocopter87]

DJ's severely testing my patience.

QFT

D_J, are you seriously twisting my words to fit what you want? No. Don't quote me and change my words and then say I wrote it. If you got something to say put it out of the frikkin quote.

No. You are wrong. Jesse was pro-town Day One. You weren't. You can't change this. For these are facts.

[Robocopter87]

I felt my argument with Jesse proved he was pro town.

[Robocopter87]

How was he not contributing content?
How was he anti town?
Possibly scummy? WTF?
Why was he worthy of a vote start of day two?

[Robocopter87]

What did you accomplish Day One big boy?

[Robocopter87]

No no no no no

You are avoiding the question.

What did you accomplish Day one?

[Robocopter87]

No.

Answer the frikkin question,

WHAT DID

YOU

accomplish Day One?

[Robocopter87]

There.
Was that so hard to do? Answering a simple question?

In response to Mallowgeno's question
I feel I created a good list of towns and scums

Which I do not feel like sharing.

[Robocopter87]

Wow, have none of you ever learned to not tell other people your "Town and Scum" lists?

Giving a town and scum list gives the scum the knowledge of knowing exactly who to kill.

@ Zed
Mallowgeno asked. I didn't bring it up.

[Robocopter87]

I'm fairly certain, but if I were in a LyLo situation. Well, right before a LyLo situation. Like the night before, the scum could just kill off the good people and keep the scummy people I had listed, then they could easily win.

No, I don't feel like telling you everything.

But I will tell you who I think is scum.

D_J.

[Robocopter87]

I suppose Robo's "scum" would be me and DJ just because we feel he's scum; OMGUS what irony...

You are making some big assumptions.

No. I don't think you are scum. Or at least I haven't put a lot of thought into you. Don't put words in my mouth and then call it scummy, thats just wrong.

D_J on the other hand, is scummy.

[Robocopter87]

Which Question?

[Robocopter87]

Robo: your case on me is based on my Jesse vote. This occurred on day2. U claim now to have amassed a list of town and scum from day 1. Please share with is some of those reads. Even one will suffice.

Thats not even a question. No. I ain't sharin reads.

and then there's this:

Do you have any other suspicions you would be willing to share robo?
If not can you give me a point by point of why DJ is scum?

This is not your question DJ, sorry I didn't see this one. I'll answer it, but right now I gotta go. I will present my case on D_J. That is a promise.

on top of that, you have basically dodged this:

Robo what did you accomplish day 1?

Go back and read, I answered this.

[Robocopter87]

Sup?

Will read tonight.

[Robocopter87]

And that. That.

That is a brilliant display of AtE.

Didn't know you cracked so easily under pressure DJ. Well it makes my job so so so much easier when you pull crap like that.

[Robocopter87]

well, crap.

and hi scott.

Did you know that this is an actual scumtell? That I myself have literally seen in action? I'm pretty sure Tar created a page of his scumtells and its on there. Its real. And you just used it. Saying something like, "oh man, that sucks" or "well, crap" is often used by scum. IGMEOY

It's a set-up!!

Seriously, my voting history? That's the case? How hard is it for scum to kill someone who has a vote on them, then say "hey look that guy wanted him dead... HHMMMMMM"

There's one scumteam on board. Let's see if the others jump in to finish this off. With FOUR scum folks should show a little more caution here with those votes. Particularly Jesse, who looks lazy as hell.

Worst response ever.

The "Its a set-up!" totally rubs me the wrong way.

Voting history is a totally valid and legit scumtell. Stop degrading his argument by saying it doesn't work when it does.

Theres TWO scumteams on the board. You completely divert attention from yourself to Jesse by saying Jesse is lazy.

So you complain about a valid case not being valid then you go and throw suspicion on someone without even a hint of any case from you? [sarcasm]Yeah that will totally work.[/sarcasm]

Nobody has commented on my idea of the doctor claiming. Thoughts?

Eh, I dunno yet. Lets wait till we make any decision like this.

I have an overall town read on Scott, pretty solid logically. But by gut I'm kinda wary of him. But since I have nothing I can actually hold against him I guess my gut will just have to shut up.

Scott using voting history as a reason for voting is weak. Also something SCUM could completely manipulate more than town, making me think he's got more power in that regard than he pretends to.

Jesse's vote looks like anger at being compared to me. I'm flattered.

Once again. Degrading his argument. VOTING HISTORY ISN'T WEAK. STOP SAYING IT IS. And you are also adding WIFOM to help discredit it and make it seem unstable. When it is.

Yeah the doc claiming isn't necessarily a horrible idea.

Thinking on the large scale, the scum would WIFOM themselves to death trying to kill the doc if they knew who he was (at least I think they would; if you want to go straight to the source, ask scott). In some ways I doubt either would care enough to kill her/him, since the scum are trying to kill each other. Oh, and also docs are useless. There I said it.

I don't feel like getting in a fight about it if people really care THAT much about the precious precious useless doc, but that's my thought. Also it seems like there's a number of people trying not to be noticed today.

That

is noticed.

Once again Lowell shows us his brilliant insight.

"Doctors are useless"

You do know Doctors are probably THE most important role in the game of Mafia right? Doctors are probably the best thing you can have. No, contrary to popular belief, Cops aren't as good as they are made out to be.

Why bring it up and know that you are going to get heat from this and then say you don't want to fight about it? Pick a side and Fight for it.

_________
Overall:
Lowell=Scum
Scott= Leaning Town
Mallow = Null
Vren = ehhhhh, I dunno yet. I'll give this read some time to grow.

VOTE: Lowell

[Robocopter87]

May I ask why you call me scum?

I understand your vote on Scott but you gave absolutely no reasoning for suspicion on me.

[Robocopter87]

Did you know that this is an actual scumtell? That I myself have literally seen in action? I'm pretty sure Tar created a page of his scumtells and its on there. Its real. And you just used it. Saying something like, "oh man, that sucks" or "well, crap" is often used by scum. IGMEOY

Yeah? Did you know pointing out terrible scum tell is a scum tell? Bet you didn't. Oh wait, oops, I just did it, too! /sarcasm

Did you also notice that I had the most recent post with content? There was nothing else for me to say than 'crap, we just lynched an innocent'

Actually, No its not. you did something scummy. You can't just say its scummy to scumhunt. Thats just plain wrong. You acted like scum, I called you out on it. You responded with OMGUS. I am in no way the scummy one here. And there is nothing you can do to deny this.

Um, Zed, no you aren't the person with the most recent content. There was a whole argument with Scott and Mallow that I thought was pretty important. And your so called "Most content full post recently" is just this,

I don't think the doctor should claim. A 1/3 chance is better than a 0/3 chance, and it just sounds like you are trying to fish out the doctor.

The doctor doesn't have any extra information anyway, nothing they say should have more impact on the townies than what anyone else says. A townie shouldn't even be positive about a doctor's claim, beacuse there is still the chance that one of the scum teams would take a gamble.

Thanks for stating the obvious, Captain Obvious.
Yeah. "Most content filled post recently". A big fat lie.

[Robocopter87]

Hey Robo, do you just read like every other word in my post? Did you notice my clear sarcasm tag? Or my use of past tense with the word 'had' in my more serious response?

Since you are just really adding to how pissed off I am right now, I will make things even clearer, because I'm not explaining this again.

When I said "oh crap", I HAD the LAST post with content. There was NOTHING new for me to discuss, because I was the LAST person to discuss anything. I had even already talked about how I felt about dj, so the only thing new was his status. And that was the a "well, crap" kind of thing to happen. How can me saying that be scummy IF THAT AND THE BAN OF TWO ROLELESS INNOECENTS WAS THE ONLY THING NEW?

And now, you're picking at things that don't make sense. It looks like you are just trying to appear to be scumhunting, and I don't like it.

Maybe you should relax. if you had been more calm and more serious about are conversation instead of yelling your head off. Maybe I would have understood you.

Anyways, ROLELESS INNOCENTS? Is that the only thing you think you can comment on? Yes, two people died. There are plenty of things to discuss now that more people are dead

didn't you have any reads on the dead players? You can start to review the dead people to find connections or opinions that made the scum kill them. Instead of shouting and being stupid and stating the completely obvious in fluff form. DO SOMETHING. Or don't talk at all. For if you aren't doing anything and you are talking then you are being totally useless and distracting.

There.
Was that so hard to do? Answering a simple question?

In response to Mallowgeno's question
I feel I created a good list of towns and scums

Which I do not feel like sharing.

Remember this Robo? The hypothetical list you "have". You never shared it. Why would you even say you had a list of town and scum if you weren't going to share it? So let's face it. You did nothing day one as well.


Mainly your efforts were to get DJ lynched. Too bad he turned out to be town. Now you're scramblin to find a new target. Oh look Lol has a wagon going on him! I think I'll join it and hope my buddy hammers if he isn't on it already!

Hey Mallow, check this out,

Overall:
Lowell=Scum
Scott= Leaning Town
Mallow = Null
Vren = ehhhhh, I dunno yet. I'll give this read some time to grow.

I know its not exactly the most in depth scum list of all time but there was my reads. All my other reads died.

I am not scrambling to find a new target, Lowell is scummy. I proved that with MY OWN CASE. I showed you all the scumminess coming from him. Can't find my case? Read the thread. I am not piggybacking on anyones case. If I am please do show me where I did. I am not advertising to the world saying, "VOTE LOWELL". I simply posteed my case and voted him. I'm not useless and constantly post reads with no explanation.

Why do you think Lowell is town? (Scott asked this. And I really wanna know.) Please, do tell your evidence.

[Robocopter87]

That. Is. The. Worst. Reasoning. Ever.

You are totally denying all the evidence against him only because you think we are scum.

Get off your high horse and face facts, this guy is scum. His flip will prove it! C'mon Mallow.

I will bet you.

(PS:Now I am advertising his lynch.)

[Robocopter87]

I stand by my decision, whether right or wrong.

Just waiting on Me=Weird to confirm that I was right.

[Robocopter87]

Which means the Mafias cross killed or neither got a kill in.

I'm just going to go with the first one because the second seems unlikely.

Unlikely because most everyone has been active enough and if one mafia didntt get a kill and the other mafia didnt send in a kill. Its just too unlikely. But still a possibility.

(Captain Obvious)Well thats Captain Obvious's local news report, now to Henry Hallsworth with the weather, hows the weather henry?
(Henry Hallsworth)Not too bad
(Captain Obvious) Right On

[Robocopter87]

I'll take you up on that bet then Robo...

unvote, Vote Lolwell

How much money were we betting again?

Yeah. Thats right. I was right. Eat it.

[Robocopter87]

Sup?

You guys still bickering?

You know none of you are getting anywhere right?

Ill make posts or something of that sort soon.

[Robocopter87]

You said you were going to start looking at the quiet players, which is basically averting attention to them away from yourself.

[Robocopter87]

Ill make posts or something of that sort soon.

Still waiting.

I find this ironic even though the mod said this in his last vote count,

... and Vren is in a race against potential replacements to stay in the game.

[Robocopter87]

You can find it ironic and/or hypocritical, but today I have already voiced some of my views about who is likely scum, and Robo has not.
I also had a pile of work dropped on my desk on Friday, so I'm a little behind all around.

You said I was fire scum and Mallow was Ice scum.

Now tell me, how on earth could you possibly decipher which scum team we were on? That doesn't even make any sense. The only possible way is to say I fought hard for a Lowell lynch and he flipped scum. Even that is just loaded with WIFOM.

You say we should vote for Ice scum and you said Mallow was Ice scum. Yet... you didn't vote! So heres the thing, voicing your unprovable WIFOM theories and then being a hypocrite and not voting who you think is scum isn't exactly the most constructive thing.

[Robocopter87]

VOTE: Vren

No.

Mod: Can you tell us if the request was game related frustration or Real life needs?

[Robocopter87]

Unvote

OK then. I thought she was being scummy and ditching.

[Robocopter87]

Well we got Four Days till deadline, so something has to happen.

[Robocopter87]

Well that gives us some more time.

Welcome Curious Karma Dog!

[Robocopter87]

Zed, If I may make a suggestion, don't tell me what he said, show me what he said.

[Robocopter87]

Deadline is looming near, I'm thinking about voting Mallow.

I don't have a case on him so it feels not right to vote him. I actually had my eye on Vren and her replacement. If it comes down to it I'll throw the hammer on.

[Robocopter87]

O wait.

Deadline is the 20th not the 15th.

I was checking the Votecount.

Mod can you make sure you change that in the votecount next time?

[Robocopter87]

I'm pretty convinced Robo is scum

O yeah? Whys that?

[Robocopter87]

No no no, I wanna frikkin get a response from Mister I'mgonnalurkinthebackandthencomebackandcallrandompeoplescumJessesheffield.

[Robocopter87]

I'll be back soon, sorry for the delay.

*Jeopardy Music*

[Robocopter87]

What is all this "Robo is scum but I havent even rpesented a single reason for him being scum" nonsense?

Seriously people. Provide a frikkin case.

[Robocopter87]

*Presented

Preview is my Friend. Preview is my Friend. Preview is my Friend.

[Robocopter87]

Checking in. Nobody is talking.

Ugh.

[Robocopter87]

Oh, curiouskarmadog, well i guess that you are on we can start some form of discussion.

For the sake of this discussion, who do you think is scum? I know you've already stated but for the sake of discussion.

[Robocopter87]

I'm up for a Mallow lynch. Though I would really appreciate some answers.

[Robocopter87]

Robo was being a hypocrite when he was saying that so and so did absolutely nothing day 1 because he did nothing else either.

He refused to share his list

That's about all I have.

Gut feeling

*headesk*

im not even going to respond to this.

How am I supposed to respond to you CKD? I am town? I can't really say that im scum beucase thats just stupid regardless of alignment. So how exactly am I supposed to repsond?

[Robocopter87]

Alright so I feel like there are players in this game who aren't really putting in effort, but are quite content with pretending like they are by whining and complaining that others aren't posting, or that they're all frustrated with other players, or by making inane, crazy-ass votes without any valid reasoning. This isn't D1. But I feel like there's a couple players acting like it is. Those players being Robo, CKD, mallow, and Zed. I believe that all four are fakers, and I'm fairly confident all scum are amongst that group. By the end of tonight I'll have a ranking of who I believe is most likely to be scum in that group, what alignment I believe they are, and why.

And in case anyone was wondering I believe, 100%, that Scott's town.

I'm not going to even describe the things wrong with this post. I mean cmon dude, really?

Can't wait to hear your reasoning on how four people are scum in a 3 scum left game. Lets hear it. You are going to be indesicive on whos scum and basically call us all scum while saying one of us isnt scum.

Scott is 100% town? Really? So howd you come to that conclusion?

[Robocopter87]

No. I am definitely all for this Jesse lynch.

Jesse didn't particaipate at all Day Two and then he gets back and doesn't answer my question and says other people aren't contributing. He then picks four people out of SIX people and calls most of them scum with absolutely no evidence.

VOTE: Jesse

[Robocopter87]

"No." Meaning I don't want to lynch Mallow, Zed. Sorry if I was unclear about that.

[Robocopter87]

Cuz Jesse is scummier. I really don't have anything against Mallow right now, hes a person I'm kinda putting aside for the moment. I'm focusing on Jesse right now.

[Robocopter87]

Zed, you have more on Mallow than I have on Jesse.

Deadline is coming in quickly.

VOTE: Mallow

[Robocopter87]

Which is the hammer.

[Robocopter87]

Is Jesse being replaced?

[Robocopter87]

I can vote right? I mean, there is two scum left, but they are fighting each other right? So they won't even sync their votes to quicklynch.

So should I vote Jesse? Is there anything wrong with my logic here?

[Robocopter87]

VOTE: Jessesheffield

I'm sick and tired of this waiting crap. If he doesn't answer, he faces the consequences.

I asked him 10 days ago why he thought I was scum and I have not got a single response.

[Robocopter87]

So, Robo, want to explain why you chose not to put Mallow at L-1 the night before the deadline, or do I have to hold that against you? Because I'm not accepting that you just found Jesse scummier at the moment. Especially after this post

Deadline is looming near, I'm thinking about voting Mallow.

I don't have a case on him so it feels not right to vote him. I actually had my eye on Vren and her replacement. If it comes down to it I'll throw the hammer on.

and this, even closer to the deadline

I'm up for a Mallow lynch. Though I would really appreciate some answers.

I know you said you didn't have a case on Mallow, but you also said you were willing to vote there twice. so what changed, exactly?

Dude, put names on your quotes please, I was really confused when reading this post. I didn't know where these magic quotes were coming from, not being mean or anything. Just asking nicely.

I obviously wasn't going to get my Jesse lynch. And deaddline was near, no one was doing anything and NO lynches are just UNACCEPTABLE to me. And Mallow was the only one who's lynch would make it before deadline. Like I said, I didn't have anything against him, I didn't have a case on him. But he was the only one to lynch. So i went with it. Thats my story.

[Robocopter87]

Wow. He didn't even post in here just a quick word describing the situation.

I hope he says something useful. Its been exactly two weeks since I asked him how I was scum. He randomly jumped in and called me scum and disappeared without a case (see what I did there? I said "without a case" instead of "without a trace". lol i crack myself up.)

But seriously.

[Robocopter87]

How was I supposed to know you had personal issues? You didn't take the two seconds it takes to post in the threads or at least put a v/la in your sig.

Also, you have done absolutely nothing since the beginning of Day two.

I hope you actually do something that helps us for once. Like providing a case against the people that you point your "little finger at".

[Robocopter87]

4. And Robo who exactly are you referring to when you use the word "us"? I dare you to try stating "the town" because last time I checked there are two scum left in this game and assuming that you "believe" I'm scum, and you're supposedly town, there can only be two other players you're referring to. Clearly one of those is Zed, so I'd like to know who the other is, CKD or Scott.

You =Scum Number 1.
My choice for number two actuallly is Zed. But i'm not really all for that so I haven't really came out with that. Thats only if, 'If you could lynch two people right now, who would it be" kinda thing".

Why the heck did you assume I thought Zed was town. I very much think CKD and Scott Brosius are town and Zed is scum. Zed has just given me a bad vibe. not enough to push his lynch. I don't usually go off gut. But if I think You are scum and CKD and scott are town and since I know I'm town. PoE = Zed is other scum.

So. Stop assuming things. And may I ask, where are the magical scum reads you speak of. i would be delighted to hear it. It seems that if you think I'm town, you were just trying to find out who I was against in order to keep them alive to persuade me to do your bidding in a lyLo situation. So, who do you think is scum? And for once, please just answer the questions without avoiding them first.

[Robocopter87]

Holy crap.

Sorry jesse.

I TOTALLY forgot Zed claimed Doc.

Do you think we could confirm people by checking who Zed protected? Or is that a bad idea? I mean, its a possibility that we could catch scum by this idea, seeing the amout of Saves/crosskills. Whichever. I mean, it probably wouldn't be 100% confirmed but It still is valuable info.

I really have felt a strong gut read for Scoot. Thats really all I have for him being town. I don't see much scum in him. If push came to shove though, he probably fallls into the PoE.

CKD, however, has been an active particaipant in this game. His play has been all towny like.

[Robocopter87]

Oh and just because I screwed up doesn't mean I think you are town. You still need to die.

[Robocopter87]

Do you think we could confirm people by checking who Zed protected? Or is that a bad idea? I mean, its a possibility that we could catch scum by this idea, seeing the amout of Saves/crosskills. Whichever. I mean, it probably wouldn't be 100% confirmed but It still is valuable info.

Zed, you have nothing to say about this? Or are you still typing it up? Because this very much applies to you.

[Robocopter87]

Robo, I am curious, how could this information be used to confirm anyone?

Lets say that there was no crosskills,
The poeple that the doc protected were obviously the kill target of the scum...

O frick. that wouldnt work. Because the scum could just be killing other scum.

Well. I guess it was a bad idea.

Anyway, I think that Zed is telling the truth. And since I know i am town that leaves two people from CKD, Scott, and Jesse from my POV.

I would like a Jesse lynch personally.

[Robocopter87]

nonononononono

If you want to hear my reasoning then you go back and read the thread.

I don't know who is number two yet. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. But first I'm lynching number 1. (Well, trying to lynch number 1, no one is really helping out besides CKD.)

[Robocopter87]

If you want to hear my reasoning then you go back and read the thread.

I don't know who is number two yet. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. But first I'm lynching number 1. (Well, trying to lynch number 1, no one is really helping out besides CKD.)

Oh I'm sorry. Let me rephrase to make this clearer for you. COMPETENT reasoning. And yeah, this is the one reason I'd be more willing to lynch you over CKD, because you're so afraid to burn someone else's bridge that it might actually work out in your favor. The reason why you CAN'T even name a number 2 is because you know, no matter what, it's going to be incorrect.

So your reasoning is the fact that you don't like my reasoning?

Thats just plain hypocritical.

Oh and Robo, I was quoting you when I questioned you. I thought that was clear since I was addressing you.

Sorry I'm just so used to having it with my name on it that I didn't even realize you were quoting me. Its a bad habit I know, sorry.

Also, I must say this right here,

I think we should take our time with this day, and not rush a hammer. Let everyone look at all the players, no matter how sure you are that so-and-so is scum. We have a week, so let's use it.

Has cemented my town read on you. Just sayin'. I'm not buddying. I'm just sayin'

[Robocopter87]

In my defense, I wasn't thinking antitownly about the protections. I just had the idea we could actually catch scum with it. But was wrong. We all make mistakes.

Also, an unchallenged doc claim is basically confirmed. But I also like having some townylike play mixed in to cement it. Just to be sure.

[Robocopter87]

Umm, yes it is your job, you have to present a case otherwise your "scumhunting" won't do anything at all.

You cant just call someone scum. That just doesn't work out. Its totally worthless. Nobody will listen to you. You can't lynch people all on your own Jesse.

So your argument is invalid.

[Robocopter87]

Wow Jesse,

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, you make me sick.

Was the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why didn't you answer? You apparently think he is Super obv scumm, just explain it to him, and he'll hammer himself. But no. You cxan't even explain why you think they aren't town.

You make me sick.

[Robocopter87]

Why are you not giving the answer to his question?

I don't understand why you postpone showing him up regardless of alignment.

Prove you weren't lying. CKD won't hammer himself. He isn't stupid.

[Robocopter87]

JESSE WHY ARENT YOU PROVING IT?

WHY DO YOU KEEP CHANGING THE SUBJECT?

I DONT UDNERSTAND. IF YOU REALLY THINK CKD IS SCUM THEN YOU WOULD JUST PROVE IT AND GET IT OVER WITH.

[Robocopter87]

Dude, really? Why are you avoiding it?

[Robocopter87]

Zed just frikkin hammer someone already.

[Robocopter87]

Clearly you didn't actually look then.

Hey, I'm not ebing mean or anything. But I'd like to ask a favor.

I don't have the time right now to check all your games I have to go soon.

Could you please just quote one game please? If you could that would be awesome, thanks.

[Robocopter87]

I'm back from my RL issue.

Hey how about you be a little more helpful and quote it.

I don't understand why you keep being so vague with these things. You said you said them. You sounded like you knew an exacty place you've said it. Just go to it quickly and quote it you know?

[Robocopter87]

Well. The remaining scum is definitely predictable.

Alright, its just us three. Meaning LyLo. No votes.

I'm just going to come out with it. I think Scott is the remaining scum. I built a case. Which will be my next post. So just gimme a minute here and I'll post it. I must admit that I'm pretty determined. I have lost games for town in LyLo's multiple times and I will not lose this game. We have owned both scum factions. Time to end them for good.

[Robocopter87]

I decided to go back and reread Lowell. This seems to be the most interesting post he made regarding someone being his possible scumbuddy.

In case I end up dead here soon:

I'm starting to believe mallow and scott are a scumteam together. Two pages ago I would have thought it not possible, but their latest zeroing in on each other has the feel of scum trying to take charge and distance. Scott (sort of) taking jesse's side, and mallow (sort of) taking mine, but mostly just trashing each other. It looks overly dramatic to me. Considering mallow's VOTE on scott and his seeming conflict with him, not much has been done in the way of actually PERSUADING others that lynching scott is the way to go. Makes me think they're happy just bickering.

The other scumteam is robo and jesse. Again, I think they don't both want to be on the lead wagon without calling attention to themselves and drawing a NK. Robo's 3rd vote comes more or less out of the blue (all of a sudden he thinks I'm scum, shocker!), and I think jesse is trying to draw someone else to make the hammer. He's tunnelled on me a lot, otherwise staying relatively low. However, I could easily see the last scum being vren instead of one of the others; a slot that's been basically a blank slate.

vote scott

I'd like to see if mallow actually wants scott dead, or he's just saying he does.

I think that the remaining scum is Scott Brosius. He has no mention of CKD and I don't think that he even is considering anything besides "His partner" and "Staying Alive". He is flailing here.

Now, I know that it has my name here but I know I'm town. But I will bring attention to the fact that he did bring up my name. Which would make me as guilty as Scott.

But, after that Night he says this,

It's a lot more probable that they aimed for the same person.

Well Lowell was obvscum. Given that nothing has changed from D3 besides Lowell's flip, mallow is next on my scum list.

It almost seems as if he knew that Lowell would flip scum.

But, once again I was stupid, and I voided this piece of evidence by acting the same way right here,

How much money were we betting again?

Yeah. Thats right. I was right. Eat it.

So yeah.

TL:DR;
This "Scott being scum" is just Me believing CKD is town meaning PoE and Gut. But I am guilty of most of the points shown ehere. I reread. And its a hard decision for me between CKD and Scott. But I think that Scott has just been really on the sidelines and not on the field this game.

[Robocopter87]

I know, I know, its not really a good case. But still. I think that lynching scott is the way to go.

But I want to hear opinions from both of you before actually voting.

We have plenty of time to discuss what to do. And rushing isn't on my to-do list.

Sorry for the Triple post, I'm just pumped and very into this game.

[Robocopter87]

Sounds good.

I know, it is a stretch. But its what I got.

Yea, some Scott input would be nice for once.

[Robocopter87]

Well, I don't know what to think.

[Robocopter87]

Listen CKD. I felt you were town. And I felt Scott was town. But I know i'm wrong on one of my views. Its hard for me to just find which of my townie views I should just rip up and call scum. So, with that being said, I got it over with and chose Scott. I'm just not sure if I have made the right decision is all.

Also, The doc thing was a mess up on my part. I wasn't thinking it out fully. Until later did I realize how stupid it would be. So I'm sorry.

Scott seems pretty vigilant on standing by his previous statement. I can see what hes saying.

[Robocopter87]

Robo can you link a game where you were scum?

CKD: I doubt scum would fakeclaim doctor especially in a 2 scum group game. It basically dooms the fakeclaimer while putting the other scum group in a superior position. One scum group means that they are the only ones benefiting from an outed doctor. Two scum groups this isn't the case. Granted some people play this game stupidly, but I saw the chance of a scum fakeclaiming doctor to be pretty low.

Wow, didn't even see this, the bump put me on the next page.

Here is all my games, Robo Wiki Page

I warn you this is not up to date. Though I do believe that I haven't had any scum games since. If I think of any I'll make sure to give them to you.

[Robocopter87]

Robo can you link a game where you were scum?

CKD: I doubt scum would fakeclaim doctor especially in a 2 scum group game. It basically dooms the fakeclaimer while putting the other scum group in a superior position. One scum group means that they are the only ones benefiting from an outed doctor. Two scum groups this isn't the case. Granted some people play this game stupidly, but I saw the chance of a scum fakeclaiming doctor to be pretty low.

i see your point now, I guess I didnt look at it that way. and with both groups killing, an outed doc might draw both kills (thus cancelling out)...which might have happened anyway. I dont know if I still agree with it, but from your POV(if town), I guess I can see how you might have been trying to thin out the pool of suspects. I felt like our Doc was a chance to help win this thing...when I saw you wanted him to claim...I thought "wtf, how is that a good idea"....

ok hoping to hit this game this weekend when I dont have two seconds.

Yeah, I was unsure about the whole doc thing, but I kinda perked up for it when I thought about the possibility of confirming players. Just to end up realizing that was not possible and making a fool of myself.

[Robocopter87]

I just don’t see SB as scum now…my main issues with SB when entering the game the lack of posting during the night when there was no night kill and the asking for a doc claim. I missed the part where the cross kills of the same person would cancel out the kill. And I can see where he thought he was shrinking the possible pool of suspects with the asking of the doc claim. Also, I have seen CSL get replaced out before, but I really really really doubt he would of left a scum role…looking at his game log around 10/16 (after the marathon) he had other games he chose to stay in.

In the read…Robo is coming off scummy…here is why…some of these points are weak, but added up on a whole it looks scummy…in reading Robo, he goes out of the way to look like the nice town.
1.)

robo and jesse are both town. robo for pushing a game otherwise ripe for scum-stalling-for-win; jesse just on gut.

katsui is a fine lynch. I'll add my vote if needed.

this post on the 3rd page by Lowell, sets up why he will not vote Robo. At this point in the game (58) Robo hasn’t “pushed” anything…He does call jesse out for something he has been pressuring jesse at this point, but that’s it. So why is Robo town for pushing Jesse (who Lowell has a gut town “read” on) and Jesse is town just a gut read. Lowell read on Robo is based on nothing and is essentially a gut read too, but he doesn’t label it so.

This point is weak because later in game (173)Lowell

DJ and robo both look bad with the "no, really guys, I thought he was scum!" posts. They both look like they're overcompensating for being on the wagon. I could vote either. jesse looks town.

I was going to take this point back, but Lowell is again just offering lip service. This is the next day (after the above post)…he doesn’t follow this up with again…I could go into a bunch of reasons why I think this is scummy, but it is really just speculation….but in post (214)(see point 4) he ends up voting DJ with Robo.

Oh wait, no we are back to town again…again for no reason (255)

251 is the right response to 250. Town lists are awesome. Speaking of, jesse and robo are both town, and don looks less and less like the right lynch.

unvote

Why does Lowell keep talking about Robo? No one is asking him to.

2.) I mentioned this is my read of the game when I replaced in..

L-2 on Page Four.

Well.

@ CSL's Pedit #2
I KNO RITE?

this is looks like fake concern...is you really really cared..why did you unvote?...when I asked this of you when I entered to game (471) you ignore this question entirely. why?

3.) I mention this in my read too.
157

Ugh. I really wanna vote DJ but I don't want another Quick wagon then modkill again. I think we need more info and conversation than we had Day One.

I'm going to refrain from placing a vote for now. I need to get a nice Primary suspect.

Then just 6 posts later, boom a vote. What happened to not wanting a quick wagon? That again was fake concern…It also should be noted that Don voted jesse, who Robo was pushing day 1 as scum…Robo’s opinion of jesse ONLY changes when a wagon heats up on Don

4.) (214)

DJ has MUCH the worse of the little dj/jesse spat. Citing his own meta as a defense is a clincher for me.

vote dj

Lowell doesn’t provide much content on this day…in (173) he mentions he find Robo and Dj scummy….but he doesn’t vote Robo…he votes DJ(town) with Robo.

5.)(242) Robo to DJ(town)

No.

Answer the frikkin question,

WHAT DID

YOU

accomplish Day One?

What was the point of this attack?..what did you accomplish day 1?

6.) he was on two townie lynches.

7.)

Do you think we could confirm people by checking who Zed protected? Or is that a bad idea? I mean, its a possibility that we could catch scum by this idea, seeing the amout of Saves/crosskills. Whichever. I mean, it probably wouldn't be 100% confirmed but It still is valuable info.

I really have felt a strong gut read for Scoot. Thats really all I have for him being town. I don't see much scum in him. If push came to shove though, he probably fallls into the PoE.

The first part…this information WOULD ONLY HELP SCUM….there is nothing town to get out of this.

8.) He comes out today swinging at SB with a really really weak case..

When I don’t jump on it with a ton of enthusiasm and SB demonstrates suspicion in me he sways to leave himself open with this post.

Well, I don't know what to think.

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I am probably going to vote Robo today….I am going to let this sit though..

Alright. Response time.

1)Alright, listen, I don't know what he was thinking. he thought I was town. let it be heard that I did push his wagon and got him to be hammered. Just let it be known. I can't really defend myself to this one because this is you making a connection not accusing me.

2)Uh, yes it was fake concern lol. L-2 on Page 2. In other words "Fail". I wasn't going to get lynched, and if it really mattered to me that I didn't get lynched I would just unvote. Umm, I don't remember you asking that. I admit it, I' not a heavy reader. I know I know, thats stupid seeing as this is all about reading but yeah. Most likely scenario, I missed it. if you don't believe, then I don't know what to tell you. And No, im not going to be on my own wagon and kill myself. Self votes are wrong, I was joking around, starting discussion. I did not aim to to kill myself. Which is why i unvoted.

3)I have no defense for this, I should've been more patient. But I doubt and i know that you wouldn't believe a stupid excuse like that.

4)Well, this isn't really a point against me I don't think. He never even mentioned my name. I think your data is to inconsistent. But nonetheless, my response to this is that he must have found Don more scummy I guess.

5)I was defending Jesse, who at that point I had a town read for. His threat was empty. He was being hypocritical, i went a little chainsaw with it but it was still my view on the subject.

6) Whoa Whoa Whoa. No. You fail to realize that I also was on Lowells wagon. I hammered Mallowgeno. And I was the first one on jesse wagon.

7)We;ve been over this, like three times, I made a mistake, you must see where I was going with that. It was just flawed. I didn't realize the stupididty of it until it was all the way down the hill.

8)We've been over this also, I felt you were more town than scott. Theres only two of you left to choose from. Put yourself in my shoes.

[Robocopter87]

True, But I was also on Lowell's Wagon.

[Robocopter87]

Which gives CKD the hammer.

[Robocopter87]

Yeah, tell him Scott voted me, he'll come running.

[Robocopter87]

VOTE: Scott

Holy Crap. He didn't kill me.

havent read robo's post yet....will try to get to this asap...

also, skimmed SB's post...why no reply Robo?

I didn't think a reply would be necessary if I was going to die but it looks like you are confirmed town in my book CKD. Meaning my vote above.

I guess I will reply now, though I think it will jsut be thread clogging, because to be totally honest and real about the situation. What we say shouldn't make a difference to your choice between who is scum CKD. Decide yourself who you feel is scum. Though we will fight like declawed cats we won't gain any ground unless one of us slips up.

Will reply to Scott.

[Robocopter87]

The Jmurph kill is just WIFOM. I don't really think that it is a valid point. Zed had not yet claimed, its completely understandable for them to be looking for a Doctor. Yes I did go back to check to see if Zed had claimed before that. He claimed after jmurphs death.

The Vren thing, errrrr... yes I saw what Vren said. No I wasnt really working on this game very much. I take the damage given here.

I can;t defend against your gut. Though I do agree that LyLos usually should be judged on gut, not fact. I understand your vote. Like I said, this is pointless. Declawed ca fight. But whatever.

[Robocopter87]

DARNIT. I WAS SO CLOSE. IM SO SORRY LOWELL.

I thought Bussing Lowell would make me win the game. I survived so long without him.

Modding was good, I didn't think N5 needed to go the full night unless it really took a long time for something to be sent in. There was no way scum wasn't NKing the confirmed townie at that point.

That was me. i was checking to see if you were still active on the site. If you weren't. i was going to no kill and then pin it on you. Winning the game for me. But I saw you weren't. So I killed Zed obviously. But I thought with so much against you I could win.

But really, The Jmurph kill made your decision CKD? I mean cmon, thats what you lynched me off of? There wasn't a claimed cop at the time, we were looking for the doc and the other scum team. It had nothing to do with him suspecting me.

I did Good IMO. Good Job town, though I hate you all. lol

[Robocopter87]

It wasn't "well done".

They voted me off of gut. I had much more against scott than he had against me. I just looked worse. Though I don't really even know how I looked worse. Seeing how I pushed all those scum lynches. even if I wasn't Ice Scum the Two Fire Mafia wagons were totally town. The thing about the two scumteams was that it made me scumhunt. And I nailed them.

[Robocopter87]

Yes. Gut does. Especially in LyLos'. The people that vote off gut rather than off cases in LyLo usually win. But before that you should use cases.

[Robocopter87]

I have no beef with you Scott. i didn't mean it as in you played badly. You won the game, you obviously did a better job than I did.

I'm just saying that my lynch didn't really have any backing. It was just done. And it kinda didn't give me any chance at winning. Which makes robo sad.