Convict's Revenge!! Game Over (Convict Wins!)

[Guderian]

/confirm

[Guderian]

asses

Asset I presume?


What do people make of all this potential day-vigging? I haven't played in a game with more than one day vig before. Thoughts by anyone who has.

We already have an 'attempted' daykill, an FOS over said daykill, someone volunteering to be daykilled, and what have you.

[Guderian]

I would expect that no day vigging favors scum, some favors the town, and massive amounts favor the scum. Totally anarchy would be amusing for a while until half this thread gets vigged during the day.

(flay do you have links to said games?)

And also, what to make of items?

[Guderian]

No item speculation, please. Those who need to know will figure it out, using QTs most likely. No reason it should be out in the open before we know any and all possible negative consequences of it.

I think this is wrong. Unlike power roles, which are secret and should not be outed because doing so increases the information available to whatever scum groups are in this game, items are there for everybody to see. There is no secret, and anybody can claim it. However, scum have an advantage because they have who knows how many people talking, discussing roles, and planning item grabs, already. There might be something in a role specifically about items that is being shared between them.

I dont understand how you can say we will figure it out. I have no ideas what items do. I think it would be completely anti-town to just say, 'oh theres an item, hopefully it will sort itself out'!

[Guderian]

how do you know that? I didn't know they could be stolen from people.

this is all the rules say about items:

There are multiple items in this game. To gain an item, someone must give you one or you must pick it up. Items will be placed in the Lobby as well as Quicktopic threads. Only people who can go to the quicktopic threads are allowed to pick up those items. You must be officially moved into the thread by me before you can post in that thread to pick up the item.

[Guderian]

Hello all. Some thoughts on this game.

First one. Where are we going?

5. Ship Destination- The game has a set end game of 7 days. Once 7 days is up, the ship will land at whatever planet it is destined for. The ship destination changes based off the item Ship A.I. The A.I. starts off with town.

So for now, it seems that the ship is heading to somewhere, where if reached, the town will claim victory. I'm not sure exactly what our current destination is. If someone knows, please speak up. Anyways, I am pretty certain that getting to our current location is bad for scum, ergo they will try and change the direction of this ship. If anyone does this without thoroughly explaining why, serious discussion/daykilling should result. I see no reason to randomly change this ships destination.

I am also curious as to the final destinations we have available to us for a town victory. I suggest we compile some sort of list with everyone's final planets win-con. It will help to catch contradictions later. I can go first if we need to.

7. Items- There are multiple items in this game. To gain an item, someone must give you one or you must pick it up. Items will be placed in the Lobby as well as Quicktopic threads. Only people who can go to the quicktopic threads are allowed to pick up those items. You must be officially moved into the thread by me before you can post in that thread to pick up the item.

I think items are actually one of the things in this game that it is best we know LESS about. If you pick up an item, do not claim its abilities before hand. Instead, if you use it, describe what it did, who you targeted, and why. Also, posting less reasons to grab an item are better, with some items probably more influential to certain characters than others.

Not sure what all of the

6. Multiple Rooms- In general, the game will be played here which is the Ship's Lobby. However, some people may leave this room and enter quicktopic threads that are designated as other parts of the ship.

are. If someone has more information about this, would be appreciated.

Anyways, thoughts appreciated. And might as well start off by

Vote:Dafish

[Guderian]

xvart, where I started pertains to my role.

[Guderian]

That was one of the scummiest day kills i've ever seen. There was absolutely no reason for anybody to do that.

[Guderian]

I know of only one room.

Also, Why did you assume day kills would be revealed?

chesskid, youre going to need to explain yourself. What about my comment disturbed you.

[Guderian]

It seems that a no killer reveal is clearly to the mafias advantage.

Thats why I assume we have the notoriety system, so a person can't daykill too much without becoming revealed and losing their killing ability.

[Guderian]

It seems you are right. I thought it revealed the player name as well.

[Guderian]

Also, everybody who thinks IS's killer was a dayvig needs to have their head examined be strung up. VOTE: Midnight's Sorrow.

Then how do you propose IS died? He didn't just take his own gun and blow his brains out?

But I do like your idea of at least claiming our role name. I would even go so far as to suggest each person also claims their victory planet as well, to see if some people share a planet

In his opening post he says he doesn't know where are we headed. But it says that in my win condition. The town win con. So therefore he is sum.

unvote
vote guderian

I dont think you understand. I know which planet is given in my wincon. But I do not know if we are heading there right now, going to be heading there, or actually where in god's name we ARE heading. If anyone has any information about this, they should come forward.

[Guderian]

I guess I misunderstood. Yes, I think the killing of anyone so quickly is clearly scum aligned. I agree with you.

The ship destination changes based off the item Ship A.I. The A.I. starts off with town.

From the rules seems to imply we may be on course to wherever we want to go.

[Guderian]

I have returned.

FOS: Thelonging

Seems like this should be an obvious question to ask when "the pilot" dies.

Also, agreed that DGB's responses looked forced.

FOS: DGB

Some people have yet to post in here after day start. Why? (prod needed?)

curiouskarmadog
mikeburnfire


Also,

Unvote

Vote: AlmasterGM

Constantly asking others to daykill for you. I don't like it at all.

[Guderian]

ckd, lets discuss this a little. I have come from a single room. I only know of one room's existence. Yet, rule six clear establishes MULTIPLE rooms. I want to find out about these other rooms. How many are there? Who is in them? Why are they there?

I am willing to share what I know. I don't know much. How are you establishing I know well and good what's going on, when I am puzzling to figure this out,

And in the same vein, where did you come from? Was anyone else there? Why did you wait this long to come into the lobby?

thelonging, I'm not sure exactly who you are referencing. Is it me?

[Guderian]

Did you an ckd enter from the same place Ivy?

[Guderian]

Pretty sure multiple, seeing as how deathnote has established scum have a quicktopic, and there would be no reason for that should there be only one scum.

I completely agree on the planet issue. Lets polish this issue off before day 4/5 and where complications could potentially arrive.

I think it's high time for listing each person's ideal final planet. Mine is

Vaabi

[Guderian]

Good job Ivy. Do you know anything else from the footage?

I also think that at this point in the game, we have talked too much about mechanics, (however interesting), and less about scumhunting/wagoning. We need to get this going.

Also Guderian was a case of textbook overreaction to a daykill, in addition to outing our destination because his fakeclaim was burning a hole in his pocket.

What on earth are you talking about?

[Guderian]

Were you able to leave the lobby and some how denied, or have you never been able to leave the lobby chess?

Agree with xvart on this post

Do you think that town daykillers should not claim their dead bodies? And how is my comment to Flay not content? Especially since you disapprove of the idea. Or maybe a better question would be is do you think your post has more content than mine?

Town day killers should definitely claim their kills.

What I wonder, though, is if xvart expressed such suspicion of Alamaster, why he plonked a vote on me. Is because of this:

I agree. Also, his post about not knowing the town destination while he quoted the ruleset post that says the ship is currently headed towards the town destination should go hand in hand with each other if you are town aligned and are headed to the town planet.

Which I'm not sure is indicative of anything, and isn't even how it panned out. Would you mind elaborating?

[Guderian]

xvart did you shoot Internet Stranger?

[Guderian]

Another death? At this rate, we wont make it out of day one.

Whoever shot Almaster should come forward. They are pretty much confirmed town at this point, baring 2 scum groups or more. (which seems unlikely)

Now can we lynch Poison Ivy?

Why would we do such a thing?

Its a new player. And with a case! oh its on me.

scummy post number 1: nervous non-scumhunter question to appear active, making attacks without calling names, exaggeration of those attacks

This is some strange posting right here. Not calling names? What do you mean.

Faraday is confirmed town for post 55.

Elaborate?

ok, forgot what I said about chesskid, bulbsaur is town and is right about guderian, claiming destination so fast reeks of fakeclaim/higuiseimatown.

So let me get this straight, wanting to steer the ship towards the TOWN destination (which somehow I knew and claimed first???) without letting it get off track is scummy? You are telling me you do not want the ship towards Vaabi? If so you had better explain why in your next post.

Well, the person I was voting died, so i'll switch over to FOS number 2.

Vote: Thelonging

Xvart:
1. Did you kill internet stranger?
2. Can you access any other rooms?

[Guderian]

chess, then why aren't you voting one of them (flameaxe, tajo, xvart)?

ckd, for confirmed town? Are you against that idea.

There was nothing there, two people were there, one is still there. Your turn.

I came from the cargo hold, once to begin the game, secondly to retrieve an item.

[Guderian]

Please look at the people voting you and comment, or I will put my vote back on you.

Put you vote on me if you think I warrant it, not simply out of flippant rage.

I think xvart is scum (though not only for his actions), flameaxe is on point and tajo is rather netural.

[Guderian]

(Let me get this out of the way. Before this wagon becomes unstoppable, I would like the people voting me to make a short bullet point set of why my actions mean I am scum. happy to answer)

trying to figure out if he is scum or just a really bad mafia player..

mind explaining: What about my play means I am either scum, or a bad mafia player?

Anyways, after rereading, we need a serious wagon on one of these three people.

1.Katuski
2. DGB
3. xvart

1. Looks to play a typical fly-under-the-radar gamestyle. Most of his posts are short one liners 'clearing' people and then unclearing them a few posts later. I see nothing good here. I urge other people to ISO and share thoughts

2. DGB, what are you doing this game?? You're on par with PYP4 [where she was scum], when you sat around twiddled your thumbs and every once in a while come in with amost irrelevant amusing thoughts. What are your thoughts on this game state. Who is scum?

3. I have read his logic, and it seems contrived to me. anyways, I will have a greater picture about his alignment when he returns and answers the two questions. until now, he remains here.

unvote

Vote: Katsuki

And as to flays recent post, open ended rhetorical questions dont really accomplish much (and I have found them to be rather scummy). I dont agree with basing a vote of that..
reference

Sad to see your scumbuddy down so soon?

Flay, would you be disappointed if I or someone else shot another of your scum buddies?

[Guderian]

Quick thoughts before a longer post, Midnight why did you decide to vote TSQ?

[Guderian]

also gud, what is the scanner?

First this is beyond blatant role/item fishing.

Since you know of this item, I assume you know of the cargo hold? Why haven't you visited there?

Anyways, I've used it, so I might as well say what it does. I was too curious by half.

Item

Scanner

Use: Determine if a person has an item, killing weapon or not

# of uses: Once per day, recharge after a lynch

Person Used on: xvart

Result: Yes

[Guderian]

I picked up and used the scanner myself. It is an item.

[Guderian]

I myself wouldn't be opposed to mass name claiming either. If someone can start tabulating the yay's and nay's, we may actually reach a consensus here. (or at least see where people stand)

Guderian: What made you decide to reveal the scanner's entire description, when earlier you talked about hiding items as much as possible??

Considering I had picked it up and used it and it seemed harmless AND someone else requested it, I saw no reason to withhold the information.

Gud: I think it's pointless to visit the cargo hold, since only 2 of us are in there, unless you want me to flat out explain the situation to you in there? That'd be stupid pointless and anti-town though so meh.

Doesn't sound pointless. How do you know only two of us are in there?

Midnight, aside from TSQ who has not been in this game for three days (and pending replacement we can question that person) do you have any reads on the people that have been active? Who is your number two lynch candidate.

Prod on : Seraphim
PopTajo
thestatus
Dafish

[Guderian]

Flay, can you run an iso and tell me what you think of Katsuki. Does no one else think he is scum?

MOD: PROD/REPLACE SERAPHIM

~He was prodded today along with several others.~

Been around three days now. Unless he announced some v/la shenanigans I dont know about.

[Guderian]

I have voted him already you silly evil sorcerer.

Is there a reason you would be adverse to commenting on him?

[Guderian]

No, you just seem to be flying under every bodies radar, which I don't like.

Besides, that question makes no sense. I feel I have made a worthwhile case, based on your body of work so far. What difference does it actually make who makes it?

[Guderian]

At this point, I think instead of just gunning down people, we actually need to achieve a lynch, so we can draw conclusions based on peoples actions and reactions to one another.

Kitoari
TheLonging
Katsuki

are still my top three. Im not sold on DGB yet, despite how much people enjoy her company in this game.

[Guderian]

How many scum are there this game DGB?

(also happy holidays all! *gives DGB a freshly picked juicy Rambutan*)

[Guderian]

Coo.. I have a new theory about the scum team.

Vote: Thelonging

in the meantime.

[Guderian]

Is being mysterious your M.O.?

[Guderian]

My theory is that at least one member from the scum has access to each room.

Kiotari has access to mine, and has been disposed of.
Alamaster and Ivy were in another room, and Alamaster was scum.

So check your rooms guys.

Anyways. I'm not sure exactly why I voted thelonging. Quick iso shows nothing too egregious.

I like DGB list. The @()+{**^& part especially contains persons of interest.

unvote

Vote: mikeburnfire

I don't like his play. Elaboration on request.

[Guderian]

I'm sorry, I meant Faraday. (Why did I mix those up?)

Anyways, for one, content. There is none. This is not acceptable.

Two, his content when he does post is not lighting the world on fire. Half are promises to catch-up here, no bathrooms there, etc.

I dont really know how awesome and sparkly and cool he can be, but it is not showing so far this game.

[Guderian]

I like Flameaxe, and what does ER mean Midnight? I like that you suspect mikeburnfire, so would you mind switching over to him?

[Guderian]

I shot kitoari and gain some notoriety through other ways not yet made clear to me.

[Guderian]

Well, if I gained one notoriety for each kill I didn't commit, and 3 from the one I did commit, my name and role would of been revealed after I shot kitoari.

Anyways, this is my 'path to six'.

One somehow in the middle of this day. Am totally unsure how I gained it. Maybe someone tried to kill me?
I shot kitoari. (+3)
I shot mike (+2)

=6. And que role reveal.

The head of security has bestowed many abilities on me, but gaining notoriety for other people dying isnt among them.

[Guderian]

No. For one, I thought he was scum and didn't hesitate. For two, I'm not sure how easy it would of been to of gotten him lynched. I was pretty convinced he was scummy. In hindsight, not my brightest moment. (SORRY MIKE.)

[Guderian]

Also, flameaxe, I'm almost 100% sure Ivy is town. I'm town. To prove this, I ask for anyone to counterclaim my Kitoari kill. There is pretty clearly one scum faction. The flips are red/green fashion, bad/good, and the "leader is dead". This leaves no ambiguity. He lead the scum group.

Why, if Ivy was scum, would she try and derail a magical wagon filled with chocolaty fun just as it was gaining steam? Ivy is town.

Anyways. I'm not sure where I stand in this game right now. I had a beautiful plan to nab Populartajo after mike flipped scum, but that didnt happen. Will report back soon enough.

[Guderian]

I responded to that question already, Flay asked it.

[Guderian]

Interesting, I never though about it that way.

However, I'm not sure at your final thrust. Are you keeping with his idea to continue tabulating for or against name claims, and then claim, in an effort to try and cross catch scum?

I am for this idea. (I guess I don't really count anymore considering everyone knows who I am at this point.)

[Guderian]

I too am curious how gud got to 6 if he gained the notoriety claimed.

I detailed this already. Are people just not reading my posts?

[Guderian]

I know, but why do you need to know?

[Guderian]

Faraday is right, I think there is one scum per room.

Alamaster was in Faradays room
Kitoari was in mine
Mike was in another with ckd who is town and dead. (also flameaxe)
~here be other rooms~

[Guderian]

assuming he is the only other person in that room.

[Guderian]

those are the only people who have reported being in that room. I assume it is eminently possible for people to have not gone into every room they are capable of going into.

For example, you claimed you could go into a room but were restricted somehow. So there are probably more people under the same circumstance or who chose not to.

But if he was the only other person in that room, I recommend vigging him immediately.

[Guderian]

Vote: Katsuki

Not reading thread. Already explained where other point came from, and xvart independently pseudo confirmed it. Not really caring about detail is not town sided.

Voting posion ivy when I'm almost 100% sure she is town (as should anyone else) is scummy.

Wait what.

There's been 23 pages, and THIS is all you have to comment on?!

What exactly are you commenting on? Not much from the looks of things.

[Guderian]

Normally I don't do one of these, but I need to coalesce my thoughts on the players remaining. Will be pretty stream of consciouses-y. feel free to comment on anything, as there has been far to little discussion today, especially for a large theme game.

2. TheLonging

Iso 24 puts him into town category.
Plus the fact he is pretty suspicious of me, I give him town points.
Would definitely like to see some more thoughts from him though. While his ideas have been good, they in no way help guide the town or influence it significantly.

Overall:

town

3. Chesskid3

What is this I dont even...
Sorry, but this iso is disheartening. I don't see anything to make me think he is acting to help town. The good news is he doesn't seem to be acting to help scum either. Still, that doesn't mean town in the slightest.

Overall:

Null

5. PoisonIvy

I like for several reasons.
Pro-town content, not afraid to voice an unpopular decision, and game related helping as well (the tape)
This should definitely NOT be the lynch today, or the foreseeable future.

Overall:

Town

7. Vezokpiraka

Still not sure why he wants to know what strong willed means.
Classic lurking in this game.

Overall:

Slightly scummish

9. Katsuki

Already detailed.

Overall:

Scum

10. Faraday

For now, room theory clears this man.
Plus, several posts scream town to me.

Overall:

Town

11. Flameaxe

I liked this guy, but am slowly drifting away from that view.
Mostly gut at this point, I'll reread his posts to see if i can nail down my feelings.

Overall:

Null

12. Seraphim

Whoa, he is in this game?

Lets replace him.

Seriously. December 23?

Overall:

Null

13. Midknight's Sorrow

Holy batman after an iso read I dont like this dude.
Iso 17 looks to be posting just to post
and for some reason his voting of Flameaxe looks wrong.
Good news is if one of these two (MS-Flame) flip scum, I think the other looks town.

Overall:

Scum

15. populartajo

Like iso 13/14. As more posts come in, so will anylasis.

Overall:

Townish

18. DrippingGoofball

Erm. I actually like her lists. Not sure if I like her.

Overall:

Null

19. leiskyrie

The six posts in this game give me no inclination that this man has town interests at all close to the heart.
No pro town content. Seriously. Nothing in the six posts since replaced in tries to do anything but noise.
And that was six days ago.

Overall:

Scum

20. xvart

Honestly, he looks clean at the moment. If someone pulls out something of interest, tell me. But i'm not seeing anything.

Overall:

Town

[Guderian]

Well he was above you when I shot him, obviously. You are smart, I know you must know this. Why would i possibly shoot my second best (or third or lower) scum candidate? Are you just making noise?

[Guderian]

World =/= revolve around Katsuki.

I shot one mafia, and a shady looking lurker. Are you saying you think you've acted so scummy so as to propel yourself above that?

Unfortunately for you, I have no more bullets. However, I would not be against anyone vigging from this time forward.

Do you think I am in the mafia? If so, why? If not, what is the point of your last two posts?

[Guderian]

Before I even laugh off any votes on me, what do you make of shooting kitoari? I shot one of my 'scumbuddies' for the hell of it? Are you thinking at all?

I claimed my kills as soon as I made the second one. I don't see how this is a contradiction. Check the time after deathnotes post of me being revealed.

By the way, gotta love the katsuki vote of me. Not. What is the reasoning? Xvart's conclusion was that I am town.

Clearly not reading again.

Seriously.

Are you reading this thread?

[Guderian]

xvart, I see what you're saying. I admit, it is possible that those two situations could arise, and I could be scum. I think when also considering my actions in this game, it is unlikely.

I didn't claim after the kitoari kill because I didn't want the scum knowing who I was, and then aiming to shot me. I can see why you wouldn't claim after a scum kill now, because the scum will DEFINITELY know you are not lying, and are potentially very dangerous. However, once I was outed, my very next post contained details about what I had done.

theLonging, I am not scum. Listen up, the longer you keep your vote on me, the percent chance people think you are scum is going to rise. So by all means, if you are scum, keep your vote exactly where it is.

Ok, vezok. I will tell you, since you think you can 'break the game'. However, I think you should know that should you not be able to prove why you need this, your life will be in deep jeopardy.

Strong willed means I can't be forced to do anything.I am immune to Threaten. I am immune to. Seduction. I am immune to Frighten

[Guderian]

No, others. If you shot scum and someone then voted you, what would you make of that vote?

Why do you think I am scum again? Listen three-four good reasons.

Btw, you completely misinterpreted what I said, to a point I'm not even sure what you are saying in 626. Explain.

This is a massive side track. We need more midnight or katsuki votes. Thank you.

[Guderian]

How in the name of god could I of had a hand in the IS/Flay kills when you gain 2-3 notoriety for killing somebody?

Your reasons make little sense to be honest. I'm trying really hard to see why a pro-town person would be saying them, but I cant see it at all. All I see if vote laziness, fabrication of reasons, and REALLY spotty logic.

By the way, you didnt answer the question. If you had VIG powers, shot somebody who was scum, how would you feel if someone voted you and claimed you shot your scum buddy. Does that even make sense?

Read katsuki now. Please, and give me your thoughts. I want to know what youre thinking about him.

[Guderian]

dont think vezok is still voting me.

[Guderian]

We should be voting Katsuki or midnights sorrow, not messing around with other amusing threads of thought. When is deadline? Is there a deadline?

[Guderian]

Formally requesting a mass prob for all participants in this game.

I full support a lynch of either Katsuki or Midnight.

I COMPLETELY oppose a lynch of Leiskyrie.

[Guderian]

Because I think he is town. Nothing to me indicates pro-scum intent, and the cases on him have been tepid at best, consisting of a lot of meta and speculation.

I think I already laid out why Katsuki or Midnight Sorrow is a much better lynch.

[Guderian]

PROD ANYONE WHO NEEDS IT

~We understand Gud. I am still searching for a replacement for Seraphim and surprised I am not getting anyone to be interested.~

Well, hopefully lei comes in here kat and does something. From what s/he has posted, Im not seeing it, nor from Dafish. Dafish jsut looked insightfully curious to me. I wont be joining this lynch unless they claim scum and self vote. Do you have some meta you could share that shows differently? (you hydra sometimes right)

Ivy, we dont need updates about personal life (much as they may be interesting)

I will be willing to switch to midnight should the need arise. But only these two!

[Guderian]

Guderian- Flameaxe, Leiskyrie (L-5)

@mod is this correct at the time of posting? (how many days until deadline)

DGB, you think both kat and midnight are town?

[Guderian]

V/LA until this Saturday afternoon, and maybe even sunday. Was unexpected, and I didn't plan for it at all. Will get back in as soon as I possibly can. Thank you.

-Gud

[Guderian]

Why did MS gain notoriety when Leiysk wasn't lynched/killed? Doesn't matter. Scum name/ play. Die die die.

Vote Midnight Sorrow

[Guderian]

MS, is that the extent of your abilities?

I'm not sure what to make of it all.

chess, why do you want someone to shoot you??????

[Guderian]

So many abilities... O.O.

What is the upshot from all of them? Unless i'm missing something, nothing that has been revealed has confirmed anyone as town scum.

DGB, you have to understand with how this game is going I have no idea if you are soft claiming something or not.

[Guderian]

I completely forgot Tajo and flameaxe were in this game. I support a name claim.

[Guderian]

Also, can everyone at least vote so I know where people stand. We only have 4 votes in play.

[Guderian]

Guderians New Lynch Pool:

Flameaxe
Ivy
MS
Lei

I would rather lynch MS still. I can assemble a mini case if anyone wants.

chess, voting is good. Not voting is not good.

[Guderian]

The last couple of things people said stuck in my head, the personal life stuff, the little bits here and there. I initially liked you as town because you defended me, but then it turns out it was because of some pass ID business that gave me a notoriety.

Its just a weird feeling.

Your point on tajo is good though. Keep it up!

[Guderian]

Its a lynch pool not a 1,2,3,4 list!

Oh no, I dont mind you gave me notoriety. I think that if all of those three were somehow town, I would vote you.

I will meet you somewhere to talk. It will be apparent.

[Guderian]

Hmm. Lei, answers?

chess, can you steal IDs?

[Guderian]

Scanned Tajo: he has an item.

I GOT MY PISTOL STOLEN!!!!