Mini 1111: Wait Your Turn, Tex! (GAME OVER)

[Fate]

Ah, so we do meet again.

By chance-No.

By Fate.

Vote: CogitoErgoScum

[Fate]

I'll take your word for it-

WAIT A SECOND

Unvote:
Vote: UltimaAvalon

[Fate]

Thanks.

I'm trying not to die N1 this game.

[Fate]

Katsuki's "ZOMG VIG FATE" reads forced as hell. Like "well shit I GOTTA fakekill Fate or else he'll get an off-meta read on me."


OH THE IRONY.

Unvote:
Vote: Katsuki

[Fate]

Fritzler you will be referred to as tanstalas until you become relevant/change your avatar.

Thanks for playing.

[Fate]

A vacuous post on page 2?

NOT IN A FLAY GAME YOU DON"T.

FOS: FRITZLER

[Fate]

"Lol"

[Fate]

Pokerface is scum.

Katsukis wagon is bigger though

[Fate]

Yes please AGar.

[Fate]

I had the choice of self-hammering simply to preserve my meta, and now I have the choice to do so by putting myself at L-1

Instead I'm going to

Vote: PokerFace

Longest post in the game that doesn't use quote pyramids,

blatantly tries to end the RVS

, and manages to not really say anything.

Ahh but in voting me for a reason, you are also blatantly trying to end the RVS

Your wagon is gone so start your meta

Unvote, Vote: UA

This is why Poker is scum by the way.
"Aah I'll vote you for why YOURE voting ME."

Perfect logic? HA.

[Fate]

PokerFace - 2 (UltimaAvalon)

Since he apparently already has two votes on him, that would make his as big as Katsuki's was.

And I'm pretty sure we can get Hoopla on here too >_>

Unvote:
Vote: PokerFace

Oh Katsuki lynch RIP 11/11. You will be missed.

[Fate]

(FTR I only wanted Katsuki dead because as town he'll vig me like a moron, and as scum he'll vig me and say "LULZMETA" so either way I'm dead tonight. /tear)

[Fate]

This just gets better and better.

[Fate]

Poker doesn't make sense.

Coures my grammar is only a few steps above him, bear with me.

He's voting (was) UA for "trying to end the RVS" which is the reason UA VOTED HIM.

And then he vote-hop jumped like a frog when we pressured him whilst ignoring that pressure.

Gutdar+Hoopla points=Xalve is scum as well with him.

[Fate]

OH LOOK WHO CAME IN ALL SCARED RIGHT AWAY.


LOL THATS A NEW RECORD FOR SPEED.

LOLOLOLOL

[Fate]

(Notice how he ignores Poker's vote on him and goes STRAIGHT to the man with the correct reads: Fate)


Mhmmm.

[Fate]

I did.

And while I'd LOVE to have this back and forth I'm heading back to work and I'm sure Flay would appreciate it if we kept this D1 under 10 pages.

See ya tonight, scum /wink

[Fate]

Now that's one helluva a votecount.

With the bodies tomorrow we should be able to sweep this.

[Fate]

Hoopla which one of his buddies is bussing?

Voting Xalxe?

[Fate]

If Pokerface is scum, I think it's quite likely Xalxe is town, though.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pokerface

Xalxe can be vigged tonight.

That's as far I got

[Fate]

Anyway I disagree. I think bussing is a legitimate tactic.

There's one lynch per day, but up to 4 town shots per night, aka four "lynches" at night.

BUSBUSBUSBUS and you get a sexy town read and then all the town misfire and you get four mislynches for the price of one dood.

That's how I'd be playing it anyway.

[Fate]

I'll admit I haven't been posting as naturally as I normally would, and to be completely honest its because I'm trying to make a good impression on Flay.

Hilarity has ensued though and I have half the game callimg me dumb???

Katsuki I wanted a policy lynch on you so that I could live to use my shot, is that so wrong?
(correction: Is that so scummy?)

[Fate]

It just shows how little you know of FATE-META (if there were such a thing), because I always do crazy anti-town things in order to survive. Because having me alive is the most pro-town thing in my view /grin

[Fate]

Now your taking things out of context, Katsuki. I said you'd vig me as town, OR scum. There's no guarantee that you're town this game, which means having you dead instead of me tonight is more pro-town from my point of view (as I am confirmed to myself).

I can't read you for shit. In fact, I haven't even SEEN a game with you AS town so its safer just to lynch you. And if that lynch means I get to survive to N2 AND has a chance at hitting scum, then that's all I care about. (Plus your OMGUS vote just feeled so FORCED whereas it was geniune in that Dream game we played, this just reads as you trying to "copy" that pre-existing meta of OMGUSing me and "finding me scummy")

(I was jut about to claim here but Hoopla has apparently said I should stop that so I've removed it. Oops maybe I am dumb >_>)

[Fate]

It just shows how little you know of FATE-META (if there were such a thing), because I always do crazy anti-town things in order to survive. Because having me alive is the most pro-town thing in my view /grin

The funny thing is that I'm usually able to differentiate between the two (town or scum).

You may be able to differentiate between when my posting feels FORCED and when it is real, that does not ALWAYS correlate to town/scum (it usually does).

As I said this game I was posting oddly because I was trying to avoid a 10-page spam fest between me and someone (notably UA, Xalve, and here we are you and me katsuki) to try and show Flay that the impression he has of me is wrong.

That has apparently backfired and my play is coming off ass n00bscum.... which saddens me.

At least Hoopla knows and can appreaciate the genius of my scumplay.

[Fate]

Oh you were town in Magician's? I'm pretty sure you replaced in AFTER I was gone, oh and, by the way, your play was ATROCIOUS that time and probably single-handedly cost us the game.

Cuz you got lynched AND didn't reveal important information. And what other games? Where I was a lyncher? Don't even remember focusing on your play there at all because, oh yeah, I was a LYNCHER. As for the OTHER game you are referring to, you yourself admit that I WAS SCUM. Being TOWN with someone, and actively trying to figure out their alignment is COMPLETELY different from being scum when someone is town, because you don't look at their play the same way. And there are no other games you can think of, you've always been scum.

Its OMGUS because I voted you and then you went "oh wow you really ARE scum" and this was BEFORE I revealed my reasons for voting you.

And I don't know what the fuck to make of your last point. My STUPIDITY feels forced? I'm not even TRYING to be stupid, nor do I even SEE where I have done stupid things (sans almost claiming because I didn't see the harm it in at that time) because-as you can see-UA and whoever else has called me dumb has failed to point me toward any specific examples or posts I have made.

[Fate]

Ah what the hell?

I coulda SWORN you were voting me from the RVS still and hadn't checked in yet.

You're actually calling me scum?

[Fate]

Fate do you realize:

A. I had my avatar first.
B. I am way more relevant than either of you.
C. You have a vacuous posts.

D. Fritz has been here longer
E. His av is different enough that it's easy enough to tell the difference between the two
F. He's not a huge douche like Tans

I had to look up the word vacuous.

G. Fritz carried us in Halo. Tans did not.
H. I got nothing.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fate

For obvious ignorance of the fact that my avatar is also similar. WHACHAAAAA

mhmmmm. My memory does serve.

[Fate]

Third Vote Count of Day One

PokerFace - 4 (UltimaAvalon, Fate, Cogito Ergo Sum, Fritzler)
Fate - 4 (Katsuki, AGar, Xalxe, Sudo_Nym)
Xalxe - 3 (scotmany12, Hoopla, PokerFace)
Katsuki - 1 (chamber)

Not Voting: nobody!

With twelve alive, seven votes will be needed to lynch.

If Katsuki and me is town on town (which am I beginning to feel it is, as Katsuki reads more of that person who is over-confident about their meta skills due to the recentness of the game I was scum with her in), then yeah I'd say AGar is scum with PokerFace.

He rolls up, already has his vote on the biggest counter-wagon to PF, and then justifies it with "Katsuki makes sense, Fate is bullshitting" which is weak, WITHOUT commenting on the rest of the game.

PokerFace/AGar/

I'm not so sure about this pokerface wagon. Really think xaixe is the play.

scotmany/??? (Beginning to doubt my xalve read)

P-EDIT: Yeah, the problem is you're scum coasting on my wagon.

[Fate]

1st thing: AGar, we are playing halo tonight, you in?

Ah what the hell?

I coulda SWORN you were voting me from the RVS still and hadn't checked in yet.

You're actually calling me scum?

I am. I mean, I know I'm town, and 4 out of the 11 of you are scum. You're probably one of them.

This post makes NO FUCKING SENSE AND IM STARTING TO GO INTO RAGE MODE, FLAY BE DAMNED.

[Post showing AGar's sudden Fate-scum read after his RVS vote's convience]
[Quote said post and say "hey I know im town youre probably scum cause of PERCENTAGES LYULOOLOL]

IS THIS GAME GONNA BE A SCUMCHAT BUDDYFEST OR ARE YOU CLOWNS ACTUALLY GOING TO TRY AND WIN?

BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A BIGGER TOWN READ ON AGAR THAN ME RIGHT NOW, YOURE ACTUALLY WORSE THAN TANSTALAS AND IT WOULD BE AN INSULT TO HIM TO CALL YOU BY THAT NAME.

[Fate]

Wanting to live past N1 isn't stupid, and if it is I do it all the damn time and

I

don't think its stupid unless I'm a miller or a beloved princess or something.

Also I haven't been soft-claiming-as Hoopla put it-WIFOM and misdirection. If you think I would transparently soft claim all day,

as scum

then you REALLY don't know my scummeta. I would NEVER limit my possibilities of fakeclaim by softclaiming something. So saying "softclaiming all day=scum" is ACTUALLY stupid to say, because I doubt you could find any believable scum motivation for doing something like that.

This tunneling is absurd.

All I ask is that when I flip town tonight (no you're not getting me lynched today, boohoo), you PROMISE me you won't make any future attempts in any other games to say "Fate-scummeta tehee"

[Fate]

Also I just realized Fritzler's vote is on POKERFACE whilst calling me "probscum."

Which means I'm scum "real-claiming" what I'd do as scum this game (busbusbusbus) and he's voting with me?

Now THATS a stupid stance to take.

And YES I'm calling your play shit. Your reads in this game (if you are town, hopefully for your sake yo aren't) are all based around Fate-scum-gut-tunnel and that's stupid. Your play in Magician's LOST US the game because you failed to act even a SEMBLANCE of town enough to avoid getting lynched and didn't claim vital info. THATS WHY I can't read you. I can't read terrible players that DELIBERATELY OR NOT make themselves hard to read.

[Fate]

I don't need to take that game at ALL, its ust another example.

In this game, and THIS GAME ALONE, you are tunneling like an idiot and have no apparent reads on the rest of the game.

Y

ou don't even MENTION how you feel about Hoopla's defending me, and her theories on what scum woud do

Ninja, but what does that say about HOOPLA? She says I'm town because I'm transparently town like I ALWAYS AM, and this game a couple of scumchat buddies+SCUM+your dumb metatunnel have condescend into this horseshit wagon on me.
You don't even COMMENT on your fellow wagonbuddies who are scummy as sweet fuck all.

SO YES, THIS GAME, INDEPENDENT OF ALL OTHER GAMES, YOUR PLAY IS TERRIBLE.

MY FLIP WILL JUSTIFY THAT. AND I HOPE WHOEVER SAID THEY WERE VIGGING YOU TONIGHT FOLLOWS THROUGH SO YOU DONT GET ANOTHER CHANCE TO BLOW THIS GAME.

[Fate]

Looks like my gambit is working already Hoops.

Heheheheheh

[Fate]

CES isn't buddying up to me (not that he would back to back as scum), but these are good signs >_>

[Fate]

That has NOTHING to do with WHY you think (or 'imply' of course) that AGar is town(ier) than me.

Or WHY THE HELL you quoted a post I made toward him.

[Fate]

Looks like my gambit is working already Hoops.

Heheheheheh

I think you're retroactively considering your play a gambit to cover your tracks, but whatever. I don't really care.

(why would you say this >_>)

[Fate]

You're probably right.

I didn't put much thought into the mathematics behind the set-up, that and the earlier post restriction I gave myself makes this already one of the games that I regret my play in.

[Fate]

But that's just the thing, why would I as scum, FORCE myself into a fakeclaim of even night vig? A claim that would NOT ALLOW ME TO SHOOT TONIGHT EVEN THOUGH A GOOD NUMBER OF PEOPLE WANT ME DEAD?

Since you're going around bragging about how you read me as gutscum in Kitoari's game... DID YOU NOT SEE THAT GAME WHEREI FUCKING REFUSED TO CLAIM DURING MASSCLAIM AS SCUM JUST SO I WOULD HAVE MORE OPTIONS?

Like I said Katsuki, will you PROMISE not to say one more WORD of "Fate meta" in any more of our games once I flip?

[Fate]

Oh and look who is online not trying to further justify his BS vote: its UltimaAvalonz

[Fate]

UA already said most of it, but the main problem that I have with Fate is that he's doing anything to convince us that he's not scum, so much as screaming at us for thinking it. His only defense so far has been meta, which is WIFOM at best- claiming that he must be town because his meta says it doesn't amount to anything, because meta can be faked. So why don't you calm down, and

start playing as actual town?

SEE. NOW THIS IS THE SORT OF SHIT THAT MAKES ME FURIOUS.

I HAVE BEEN PLAYING AS TOWN. THATS ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF MY HYPERACTIVITY, I HAVE TIME TO ADEQUATELY EXPLAIN ALL OF MY REASONINGS AND MOTIVATIONS BEHIND ME POSTS, AS TOWN SHOULD DO (AND AS POKERFACE HAS NOTABLE NOT) WHEN UNDERFIRE

AND

SCUMHUNT.

YOU SITTING THERE PRETENDING LIKE IM ALL DEFENSE AND NOT DOING A BIT OF "ACTUAL TOWN" SCUMHUNTING IS SCUMMY. PLUS YOURE JUST SHEEPIN UA'S POSTS.


NOW, AS HOOPLA SAID, SCUM WILL LIKELY WANT TO SHOOT ME TONIGHT.
NOW, LETS TAKE THAT ONE STEP FURTHER:
WHAT ARE THOSE SCUMBAGS SHOOTING ME DOING

NOW

THEY ARE JUSTIFYING THEIR FATE HATE TO PREPARE FOR THEIR CLAIM TOMORROW, OR THEY ARE SCUMMING ME UP IN TOWNS EYES SO THAT I GET MISVIGGED.

IM UPGRADING AGAR'S SLOT TO TOWN, ILL POST RESPONSE TO HIM IN A SEC.
KATSUKI IS STILL MINDNUMBINGLY FATE-PARANOIDINGLY TOWN.

THAT LEAVES SUDO_NYM AND XALVE.
WITH THE FORMER BEING SCUM ALL AROUND AND THE LATTER BEING SCUM PENDING POKER FACE'S FLIP (ALA HOOPLAS LOGIC)

[Fate]

Hoopla, your logic makes sense, but then the "Oh hay, you found my gambit!" shit is really mucking shit up for me. If it wasn't for that, compounding the insincerity I find in the overzealous attack on Kats, I'd be in stride with that.

Look AGar, now that I see where you're coming from, you're reading my play all wrong.

"Oh hay you fund my gambit!!"" was an attempt to preserve my PRIDE, not a backpedal to explain my play.

If you read Hoopla's logic CLOSER you'll notice: SHE ALREADY WAS EXPLAINING THE PRO-TOWN MOTIVATIONS BEHIND MY PLAY AND THE EXPLANATION AS TO WHY I WAS TOWN.

So, as scum, would I be more likely to come in and say: "yeah Hoopla, you're right, I was just being stupid." ORRRRRRRRR "NO HOOPLA! I was just gambiting hahah you got fooled!"

The latter was an attempt at salvaging my admittedly anti-town play (tbqh I treated this game more as a Marathon with all the vigs involved, without giving the set-up any real thought.)

[Fate]

The game starts immediately with Day One. You may speak to any living members of your group on Day One ONLY, and any Nights, in this Quick Topic:

And look at that, scum can DAYTALK today, which further increases my theory of scum trying to set-up my misvig/explain their shot tomorrow.

Now I've got UA's slot down as town, if only for the SHEER effort UA put in dismantling my posts and the pure Fate-hate I can see behind their posts.

BUT, as may be a more appropriate topic for MD, YEAH YOURE RIGHT UA. No one's defense is ever gonna be rock solid and there will ALWAYS be holes.

That's why scum don't usually bother putting up a defense because:
1. By definition they cannot come across as genuine in explaining their actions
2. MORE posts=MOAR holes to shoot at in never ending spiral.

Whereas TOWN, although flawed and incompletely (see: WIFOM about scum-meta and the like in my posts) FEEL THE NEED to defend themselves because WE KNOW we are being falsely accused and we HAVE pro-town explanations for all of our actions. SURE you don't have to "buy" all the explanations or defense, but you need to look at the GRAND picture, the scumminess of the people voting me, the SCUMHUNTING which I HAVE been doing (its funny as hell no one has called any of my reads, cases, points, or votes (sans Katsuki's) scummy or having flawed reasoning)

[Fate]

So yeah, Idon't want to get into a 10 page quote wall WAR with UA defending my points since UA's attack can be summed up thusly:

"YOUR DEFENSE DOES NOT MAKE YOU TOWN. YOUR SELF-META DOES NOT MAKE YOU TOWN"

to which my response is contained in #155 as well as here more concisely:
"I KNOW. I AM STILL HUNTING SCUM ELSEWHERE, AND I ALSO HAVE THE NEED TO DEFEND MYSELF SINCE I KNOW MY MOTIVATIONS, AND I KNOW THAT SCUM ARE LIKELY ATTACKING ME RIGHT NOW."

[Fate]

You're dumbing it down too much, I'm not saying the people are attacking me are scum because they are "ignoring my meta!!" I was using my meta to defend against certain accusations, such as Katsuki's who was using meta AGAINST me.


Like I said, I'm looking for scum on my wagon because 1: its a wagon, and 2: scum have plenty of motivation to set up for "vigging" me tonight, as well as twisting my play and helping the wagon on me grow.

ESPECIALLY if Poker flips scum, whom, by the way, you've neglected to comment on.

[Fate]

Unvote:
Vote: Xalxe

Poker is better left to vigs with our collective inability as english speakers to understand what he is saying.

And yes, I am an Even Night vig. Such is obvious to scum so it may as well be to town.

A full breakdown of my thought process this game:
1. Oh cool, the set-up has everyone as a vig. I'll just play as transparently as I can so I don't die tonight and I can shoot tomorrow
2. A Katsuki wagon! Let's see if I can hop on that so one less player to shoot me is alive, I can never read her, and as scum she would shoot me and just claim some BS meta reason.
3. Ah well, PokerFace is acting scummy, as are other [INsert scumhunting]
4. Might as well claim to get this wagon off me-NINJA-oh shit.... Hoopla I didn't even REALIZE that my role was important like that and soft-claiming was bad for town.
5. IT was a gambit! A Fate classix to draw the night kill! JUST LIKEI ALWAYS DO I SWEAR
6. Fuck me Hoopla stop reading me so well, yeah I'm just backtracking to try and salvage my play, but don't point it out.
7. Hmmm if what Hoopla says is true, then scum have to NK me tonight or we have a good chance at winnng tomorrow, so what would they be doing today [Insert scumhunting]

Now Hoopla, but this is more for MD, I disagree that meta is useless if it is known and can be manipulated, its more complicated that that.

TOWN

meta is useless, aka if someone says "Im doing what I was as town!" (aka when I said I was trying not to die N1 and thats what I always do, that was BAD defense), but I'd like to think SCUM self-meta is an actual defense. As we saw in /in-11 mith geniunely defended his towniness that pointing out his distate of Vigs, and how he'd never give town TWO vigs as scum. I just said 'META META BLAHLAH' and ignored it, but scum-meta is USUALLY consistent within a player.

Its like a criminal, criminals have MOs, where they will do certain things to achieve their crime. Aka: A bank robber would NEVER take off his mask, so if someone took off their mask and then said "I would never take off my mask as an actual robber! Why the hell would I do that!?" I'd be inclined to believe them (perhaps an oversimplified example, but you should get the point).

CES being afraid to be included in a list of potential scum is BAD, btw.

[Fate]

So in conclusion: I apologize for my suboptimal play this game, I should've done some math with the night actions rather than saying "ah itll all sort itself out" to try and predict the importance of my role. I'm usually much better at optimizing day play to match my role (aka drawing the kill as bulletproof and vanilla, etc.), but this game I didn't give it any thought, and I'm sorry.

So to the townmembers who suspect me: Give me tonight. The next night feel free to kill me if suspicion still lingers, but at the very least then I can guarantee you another shot that HAS to be claimed (and therefore has to be plausible and appear town motivated at the least) will be fired and I will be doing my best to hit scum.

Thanks,
~Fate

[Fate]

heheheehehehehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

JUST SHOWS YOU CAN'T PREDICT FATE

[Fate]

(but seriously Hoopla that was one of the most genuine posts I've ever made on this site, what the hell are you looking at? Because its so un-Fatelike its phony? I'm an actual human behind my persona, in case you hadn't noticed)

[Fate]

Hoopla I just outlined the ACTUAL intention behind ALL of my play this time.

The only time I play to the 'YOU CANT READ ME GAMBIT MASTAH" is when I'm town in a closed-setup and I DONT want scum to be able to read me and my role.

[Fate]

P.S. I'm not sure what to make of how Fate-orientated Hoopla has been.

(She has hidden feelings of love and adoration for me which has tried to stuff down with her mechanically thinking and way of lie, as her emotions interfere with that. But it still seeps out.)

(She especially loves all my gambits, seeing as she aspires to the same with her only notable one being PGO as vengeful townie which was such an obvious self-vote that who ever lost to that was a terrible player and that's probably why I don't remember their name)

[Fate]

But he can't lurk his way out of bullets!

/grin

[Fate]

So Xalxe does a PBPA and twists everyone of my posts into having scum intent, and his only OTHER apparent scumread is "Hoopla is scum with you because obvious".

All I can say is "lolscum"

[Fate]

Except this is completely worthless in any game; the scum already know that you're town, and while they may not know your specific role, it would seem to be far more important for the town to be able to tell if you're town or not. To me, this seems tantamount to admitting that you deliberately play anti-town, which makes me wonder why you bother at all. Such a gambit would seem to be especially worthless here, where the only question is whether you're vigging N1 or N2. So maybe you could consider playing like a townie now?

Yeah Sudo is definitely scum, I'd be down for a last minute wagon on her.

Besides the point that AGar mentioned, the FIRST part of her post is ad hom ungame related content, a FAVORITE by scum that need to fill their posts.

WITHOUT getting into an MD debate, I do put the town seeing me as town as first priority. Since many people-and seriously,this is the biggest and most serious wagon on me literally almost a year. The last time I came this close to being lynched as town outside MyLo was in PYPII (a wagon Hooplascum crafted herself) back in Feburary last year. ITs been that long- see me as obvtown easily, I use that to my advantage and focus the rest of my play on hiding my role from scum.

This game I have failed to hide my role from scum, and-almost fittingly-I also have a large wagon on me as town. This is the complete antithesis of my play in literally every other game I'm in/have been in, and I can't really pinpoint the origin of this weird change except for my weird mindset heading into the game ("ok, I'll try to post less often and not just meaninglessly because its Flay's game") that may have caused this snowball effect.

ANYWAY thats just me explaining my play and how it isn't "anti-town"

usually

. This game I admit telegraphing my role so openly and pushing a Katsuki lynch on faulty reasoning just for the sake of it was pretty anti-town. I'm curious as to how Sudo doesn't think my play HAS improved since then, and that she has no thoughts on my current suspect list/reads. This, as I mentioned before, is due to her simply ignoring said evidence of 'townie' play due to her being scum and needing to justify her vote on me.

chamber came "back" but hasn;t posted content. Between him and scotmany there's gotta be scum.

[Fate]

No.

[Fate]

[insert MD discussion thread here about D1 No lynches]

Hoopla will probably be here shortly with more convincing theories, reasons, and statistics, but I'll throw out some made up ones for ya while you wait:

A D1 Lynch makes people's reads and "world view" of the game about 50% more accurate. People you saw as slightly scummy with connections to the person you wanted to lynch becomes MUCH clearer when you see the flipped person's alignment.

D2 lynches have 75% more success rate at hitting scum than D1 lynches, and that's BECAUSE of the set of flips that helps everyone improve their reads.

At best tonight with a no lynch we would be hitting scum at random, using policy lynch-minded reads rather than concrete connections.

We also eliminate our chance to lynch scum-and thus take a potential shot on town- out of the equation tonight.

Etc.

Etc.

[Fate]

Ginger ale and love.






<3

[Fate]

I'm very serious about that last minute switch to Sudonym.

[Fate]

Hoopla I'm getting faint town whiffs off Xalve...

Sudo's "yeah I haven't been reading Xalve at all" reads more as scum v. town interaction than scumbuddies.

Sudo lynch please?

[Fate]

Scratch that, you make good points about him not having town flailing tells.

Just more of a snarky ass attitude as he dies.

[Fate]

A+ content as always. have you even COMMENTED on half the things going on in this game?

[Fate]

Hai Pie who I assume is chamber 2.0

[Fate]

I assume we can still post until Flay posts the flip.

[Fate]

Wait....

You're saying you think Xalve was more likely to flip scum than me and you'r ehappy with this???
WHAT THEFUCKING FUCK

NO.

YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT IW AS SCUM WITH HOOPLA DERP DERP

NOW YOURE PULLING A 180?

I SWEAR TO GOD THE FIRST ODDNIGHT VIG ALPHABETICALLY ON THE LIST SHOOT POKERFACE.

YOU CAN APPROXIMATE WHEREYOU ARE

[Fate]

Also:

(She especially loves all my gambits, seeing as she aspires to the same with her only notable one being PGO as vengeful townie which was such an obvious self-vote that who ever lost to that was a terrible player and that's probably why I don't remember their name)

...Hello, Fate. Nice to see you, too.

Hi, what does this have to do with anything?

Also your last minute vote was pretty meh

[Fate]

I don't remember gambiting with you in a game so I'm not sure how this applies.

YOURE the one that hasn't been here all game, its up to YOU to use YOUR brain so that we can get a read on you.

Don't blame me if you end up dead tonight. (you literally can't since I'm even >_>)

"I don't care [how my votes look cause im soooooooooo TOWNNNNNNNNNNNN]"

FORCED AS HELL

[Fate]

if you read my last few posts you'd see where i began to change my opinion. at any rate we'll just see what happens

I did see it.

The point is that it was so painful and difficult to read that I almost cried when my brain actually made sense of it 10minutes later.

You should still be vigged tonight regardless (unless Xalve flips scum, I suppose), thanks for playing.

[Fate]

LOL YOU WERE THE ONE THAT FELL FOR HOOPLA'S GAMBITZ?

KEKEKEKEKEKEK.

More "k" and Less "well now that we have time here are my ACTUAL reads and my ACTUAL content since I could've held my vote off to post said content but I didn't because I am very likely scum"


LOLOLOLOL

[Fate]

Well, that is the end of the day. Good luck everyone shooting tonight (unless you are scum)

^Here's a good shot to take.

A real good one.

[Fate]

AT LEAST KATSUKI DID THAT MUCH.

YES I PLAN ON GLOATING ON YOU FOR A GOOD FIVE ONGOING GAMES WHEN I FLIP TOWN IN THIS ONE.

[Fate]

Agrees with Fate.

WARNING SIGN #1

[Fate]

"well now that we have time here are my ACTUAL reads and my ACTUAL content ..."

Oh fuck it, I don't need the case. His Fate ISO was just terrible.

VOTE: Xalxe

Kats or Scot for partners. Maybe Sudo. Not quite sure yet.

If you want more content: I wouldn't oppose a bullet to the brain of Poker. Oh, and Hoopla's obvious buddying up to you does seem odd, but I don't think she's scum. Nor do I think you're scum.

PEdit: Fritz's end of his post feels forced, yes.

K, that's better.

Fate-approved Death list:
Xalve-Town:
Fritzler
UA
Sudo_Nym
Scotmany
Hoopla

Xalve-Scum:
Sudo_Nym
Fritzler
Scotmany
CES

[Fate]

What angle?

That PF is scum flippin and floppin>

Yeah I remember that.

Take CES off the scumlist, replace him with...
ffff I don't know.

[Fate]

Katsuki

[Fate]

You ready to play StarCraft or are you just going to whine?


NEW POST BY SOMEONE IN A GAME TRYING TO PLAY IT.

OOOOH WHAT A FUCKING SURPRISE.

HOW DARE I PLAY MAFIA.

[Fate]

BECAUSE THESE CAPS DON'T FORM WORDS THAT MAKE SENTENCES THAT MAKE PARAGRAPHS THAT MAKE MY THOUGHTS BE PUT ON THE PAGE?

AMIRITE OR AMIRITE?

POSTING ONCE EVERY THREE DAYS AND THEN ON TO HAMMER OUT OF NOWHERE WITH NO OTHER READS ATTATCHED ISN'T PLAYING

MAFIA

TOWN.

COGITOERGO

YOU ARE SCUM.

[Fate]

So you still think I'm scum eh?

Nothing to back that up I presume, probably gonna have a lot of retroactively justification when you try to paint your "shot" on me as pro-town"

Unless you kill Hoopla+CES+AGAR that's gonna read as pretty scummy

So post your BS now before lock

Or don't

kekekekkekekeke

[Fate]

Because scum can shoot anynight.

Did...

Did Fritzler say I was good posting?

No no there must be some sort of time Paradox going on here.

MITHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Fate]

owned.

[Fate]

(5mins and you didn't see my post first?

LYNCH ALL VIG ALL

KILL ALL LIARS)

[Fate]

The inconsistensy is all in her "FRAME FATE FOR THE KILL N1 SO SCUM DONT HAVE TO" but yeah you got the general gist. Specially since she wants OTHER people to shoot me.

I was referring to UA's "view" (the one she has stated in thread, not her ACTUAL view which is her scum and knowing I'm town) as it was reffered to by herself for convenience.

The subsequent grasping at straws is HILOLARIOUS THOUGH

[Fate]

She is trying to say that since I said "you still think I'm scum eh?" that's me saying she is TOWN and "thinks" about my alignment, as opposed to me saying "You're still SAYING I'm scum eh?" which would be the case if I knew she was 100% scum and didn't "think" and instead "knew"

And then she is saying that me proposing that I'm calling her 100% scum because scum can shoot every night is consistent with my earlier statement.

Which is lol.

[Fate]

inconsistent*

[Fate]

Whatever.

I mix up the people who's play this game has been "I HATE FATE, THEREFOREH E IS SCUM, THEREFORE KILL HIM" aka Sudo_nym+UA

[Fate]

Bullshit.

You know DAMN well that's what your entire suspicions have been based on this game.

You, Fritzler, and Xalve to a lesser extent.


You asked me to be more town, then you tell me to SHUT THE FUCK UP when you see me posting like a madman the last day I will probably be alive.

Are you trying to figure out my alignment? No.

You're just saying things that will get you "cool points" with the other Fate haters.

Talk about a real inconsistency.

Though re-reading your ISO then Sudo's (who is also male WHOOPS >_>) I find it much more likely that Sudo is scum and not you.

And we have scotmany as well to deal with.

[Fate]

If you are scum you would not be posting your ACTUAL motivations in thread, so YEAH I'm posting my read of your motivations IN THREAD.

HUH. FANCY THAT.

[Fate]

you should iso me, everything before the hammer vote, then come back and tell me my play today was based on me hating you

i should.

But now that my memory is clearing up I remember you were the one that did that huge ISO post on me with a lot of effort.

I apologize for misrepresenting your play. You telling me to shut the fuck up made me think you had been consistently hating on my play.

This makes your play pretty inconsistent though.

Fritzler for the most part has been the sole perpetrator.

[Fate]

HAHAHAHAHA

That POLICY LYNCH LOOKS PRETTY GOOD NOW DOESN'T IT???

MASSCLAIM TIME

[Fate]

I'm sheeping Hooplas logic now that she's dead.

I wannt Avalon to claim first.

[Fate]

I wanted Katsuki dead. That early wagon was policy and that "Rvs" post was a more serious tell than SOMEONE made it out to be.

Imma reread but whoever chainsawwed my post against katsuki gets shot.

I have a feelinng you defended my early attack against kats as well poker.

Go ahead and claim now

[Fate]

good lord I'm in soo many games this one slumped so far down my bookmarks I didn't check it.

[Fate]

Wow did a fuckton of even nights just claim?

[Fate]

k math time.

5 player alive, two scum.

4 of each role.

Sudo_Nym, Odd-Night Vigilante, was killed Night One.
Katsuki, Mafia Gunman, was killed Night One.
Hoopla, Odd-Night Vigilante, was killed Night One.
Fritzler, Even-Night Vigilante, was killed Night One.
chamber InflatablePie, Odd-Night Vigilante, was killed Night One.
AGar, Even-Night Vigilante, was killed Night One

UA is confirmed town, my apologies UA.
2 Even nights remaining are town.

EVERYONE claimed Even night.

Half the even nights are scum.


hmmmmmmmmm

[Fate]

We need to have unlikely scum partners shoot eachother.


AKA I don't trust Scot and CES to crosskill, because I think it is possible that they are BOTH scum.

Scot is biggest scumread of mine.

Pokerface is starting to be biggest town read of mine, even though he's fucking hard to read as always.

I want to shoot CES for meta-revenge reasons, HEHEHEHHE

Scots and Poker crossfire.

CES and I crossfire.

But we have a lynch today. This plan proposes no lynching obviously, because if we mislynch an even I'm pretty sure we lose (since we'll go into night 2-1 vig-1 vt).

But let me do the math, since I'm sure someone here is a lying scumbag that shot last night.

[Fate]

6 people dead (yes I'm aware Poker did it but he doesn't fucking speak english and its better I do this myself)

4 Town vigs that all shot, obviously.

1-Confirmed town shot on Katuski
1-Confirmed town shot on Chamber
2-Likely scum shots on Hoopla AGar
2 shots left. Fritzler and Sudo_nym.

They are both likely town shots.

Which means TWO scum shot last night, so only ONE scum has a kill remaining.

So if we mislynch an even vig and go into 2-1-1. it is possible for even night vig (now with full knowledge of who the scum are) to shoot at said scumbag.

1-1-1. No vig shots left. Now scum CANNOT leave UA alive tonight, so the LAST scum shot has to go to UA.

Which brings us to a 1-1 endgame.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFF so scratch that.

We no lynch

2-2-UA. Crossfire plan. Tomorrow a townie will be alive (because one of the scumvigs likely doesn't have a shot) OR a townie will be alive because the scum HAVE to kil UA.

So its either 1E solo win or UA solo win.

Crossshooting seems the best. NOW, this is all based on the theory that scum only have ONE shot left, in which case MY PLAN CAN"T LOSE:

2-2-UA

Scum have only one shot. Even if PokerFace and Scotmany are scumbuddies, they CANT win with only one shot.....oh fuck but they CAN let me and CES kill eachother and then lynch UA tomorrow.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

This day needs to last awhile.

Scotmany is almost confirmed scum no matter how the pairings go FMPOV. I almost want to lynch him and end up with a triangle plan tonight

Fate->CES->Pokerface->Fate that leaves us all dead. Scot has to flip scum for this to work obviously.

[Fate]

Either way its pretty surely CES+Scotmany.

Scotmany+PokerFace seems like a longshot combo that is fine.

We'll see how other people react to my plan and that should crack this game open.

[Fate]

FUCK YOUR MATH AND FUCK YOUR PLAN SCUM.


IS SCOTMANY TOWN? IS THAT IT?

[Fate]

AND WHY ARE UA'S READS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR OWN?

CLAIMING SCUM CES? AFTER YOU PLAYED SO WELL LAST GAME WE WERE IN?


OH YOU'VE FALLEN.

OH MAN.

[Fate]

Katsuki

BTW I CAUGHT YOU KATSUKI SO LOL NO BRAG FOR YOU.

SADLY I TOOK CESSCUM OFF THE SHOOTING LIST, BUT ITS OK I'LL GET HIM DEADEAD TODAY

[Fate]

SAID THE SECOND SCUMBAG.

LOL.

LOLOLOLOL

THIS IS TOO EASY

"your plan doesnt work because we can't determine scumbags"

"lets wait for UA tot ell us who will win this game or not"

NOT AN OUNCE OF SCUMHUNTING.

POKERFACE IN ALL HIS MADNESS IS OBVTOWN COMPARETIVELY.

UA WHAT SAY YE? LYNCH SCUMBAGS OR SHOOT THEM AT NIGHT?

[Fate]

HEHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

But I CALLED people scum.

I clearly have SUSPECTS.

TOWN READS.

CONNECTIONS

You're sitting there with your scum role PM sucking on your thumb.

You've lost this game.

Where is this risk?

Who is this mysterious scumpair that I'm pairing?

You're scummy as all hell.

I'm surprised no one shot scot last night.

[Fate]

Not calling anyone scum.

Sitting there and hoping UA will come in and say FATE IS SCUMZ LYNCH HIM. Or something like that, I don't know what your "plan" is to win but you don't have a slim chance.

"For all we know" yeah for all TOWN COULD know there is that chance. But what do you THINK? What are your STANCES?

I'm not gonna play the semantics game after this post: You're right it isn't scumhunting. Because I KNOW you two are scum. Its called BEING TOWN.

I'm not acting like confirmed town.

PokerFace, and UA are the only ones that need to read my interactions with the dead scum to READ me as town, and I think such is obvious. You are not doing anything that is indicitative of town, which is why POKERFACE is the other real Even Night vig and you are scum.

It really is just that simple.

[Fate]

Imagine that. The plan proposeed by scumCES has a worse win percentage

[Fate]

Please.
1) The difference isn't that big.
2) That assumes no one won't check my work.
3) I have too much mathematical pride to do such a thing.

MATHEMATICAL PRIDE NOTHING.

SCUM CAN MAKE NUMBERS SAY ANYTHING.

THE MAIN POINT I WAS MAKING IS LOLYOURE100%SCUM.

GUARANTEED.

AVALON MY PLAN REQUIRES MY DEATH, BUT I ALSO GET TO FULFILL MY SECRET WIN CON OF NAILING CES-SCUM

(in all seriousness I didn't nail anyone this game, Hoopla nailed Xalve, and probably shot Katsuki too (who I thought was a buddy I admit) scotmany was and is obvscum, and I had no read on CES until it came down to simple PoE)

KEKEKEKKEKE

[Fate]

ME? PROVIDE CONTENT?

LOL THE IRONY.

LOLFUCKING L.

THERE IS NO MORE CONTENT MY SLOT CAN PROVIDE. YOU AND SCOTMANY ARE SCUM AND I'VE STATED WHY. POKERFACE IS TOWN I'VE STATED WHY.

YOU'RE THE ONE WHOS ALL "scot is scum but iddunooo his partnerzzz waaaaaaaaaaa"

LOL

[Fate]

POKERFACE?

YOURE GONNA TRY TO PUSH A HAILMARY LYNCH ON POKERTOWN?

I GUESS THATS YOUR ONLY ROUTE TO VICTORY, HUH.

KHAHAHHEHEHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Fate]

WE CAN DO THIS ALL NIGHT CESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

ALLLLLL NIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

ALLL RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[Fate]

K if me and Poker are scum the pairings work.

CES and I crossfire

Scot and Poker crossfire.

We all FUCKINGLOL at your reads being the complete opposite of the truth,

and then GG TOWN WIN

[Fate]

Vote: No lynch

Weeeeeeeeeeee

[Fate]

SCRAMBLE SCRAMBLE CES YOU'RE ABOUT TO LOSE

[Fate]

Because my plan is guaranteed to win this for town based on obvscum+obvscum.


Now you're just trying to prey on UA's "PokerFace" suspicions, and try to get teamed up with him. I wouldn't be ALL THAT surprised if you two were scum.

[Fate]

Fate's behaviour isn't exactly consistent with that of someone who's about to lose either.

Let's break this post down a bit:

You're saying that I'm not scum because I'm not acting like I'm about to lose.

Which is, ya know, OBVIOUS unless you want to claim scum with me. As long as you know you are town then this win is in the bag, from your point of view.

That said, unless you're scum WITH PokerFace (which I can't see at all, scotmany HAS to be scum based on his shitposts today) I don't see the motivation for your actions as scum.... you're more likely town that is dead set on Pokerscum and afraid Scot is his partner.

Hmmm

[Fate]

You'll have to convince me why PokerFace is scum, using an actual CASE with points and such.

Go.

[Fate]

I know what I'm doing CES.

The obvscum is scot, and Poker's played better than you this game.

[Fate]

I'M WAITING.
YARR

[Fate]

I wasn't aware he was a different person than you.

My thoughts are point on.

Scot is scum.

I thought you were the buddy.

Now you're proposing a plan as if you were town and Poker is the buddy.

I'm willing to listen.

[Fate]

5/10

I want a more wholistic approach than just his ISO.

You also didn't mention a key point, which I think is the biggest scumtell Poker has committed. (Hint: He did it today)

[Fate]

UNVOTE:

Good enough for me.

I shoot Scot

[Fate]

Someone dissect that bullshit of a wall

[Fate]

Yeah ok. Poker and Xalxe were both scum imagine that.

DAMNT HOOPS.


Let's get on with this.

[Fate]

There's no way scot is town.

It just can't be

[Fate]

Pokerface using grammar and spellcheck isa scumtell imo

[Fate]

WHAT THE FUCK? NO.

WHAT IF SCUM HAVE TWO BULLETS?

[Fate]

Wait CES are you calling me scum? I don't understand.

Were all shooting tonight

[Fate]

K was just makin sure. No lynch, Poker and scot crosskill?

Cool.

[Fate]

Is that true? If scum claim odd, we lynch an odd - if we're right, we win by triangle, if we're wrong, we appoint the towniest player to shoot the remaining odd and other two crosskill. So scum have to be the towniest odd and even claim to pull out a win.

So no, not satisfying. I don't think we did all that much more than catch scum Day 1 (and Xalxe wasn't playing all that well); we stumbled into the CES-Fate non-pairing and Fate had me fooled at the end.

BTW this is definitelt a scum claim post.

"Wwhaaaaa this town win wasn't SATISFYING! YOU FUCKERS JUST GOT LUCKY"

[Fate]

Same to you. You have zero percent chance, literally

[Fate]

If it was me and scott, why'd I propose a plan pairing US, CES?

/roll

[Fate]

...

No, I said I wanted to shoot you.

BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE.

Lolscum

[Fate]

Whatevs. There's no reason why UA would go with your plan anyway.

Except that she thought Poker and me were SCUM together so she WOULD go with my plan.

Once again.

LolCES

[Fate]

Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

How did it have very little with me suggesting it?

Are you saying I proprosed a plan that would make me lose, hoping UA wouldnt follow it?

WUT

[Fate]

ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

UA REPLACE OUT OR HURRY THE HELL UP

VOTE: NO LYNCH

SCREW IT IM GOIN WITH POKERS PLAN

[Fate]

YOU'RE WELCOME

[Fate]

UA I get to mock you for quite some time now.

Finally I can read PF

[Fate]

Awesome flavor.

Thanks for modding and letting me take part Flay

[Fate]

I take credit for winning this, if only to make sure Fate doesnt get any of it

K whatever nailing the EXACT OPPOSITE of the truth sure was tech.

AND YO CES.

I WAS CALLIN PF TOWN BEFORE HE HAD THAT FULLPROOF PLAN

[Fate]

Yeah ok. Poker and Xalxe were both scum imagine that.

DAMNT HOOPS.

Because your push made no sense as scots buddy, so I changed it as long as scot was paired with me, it didn't really matter.

Then you claimed scum after that and it waas gg

[Fate]

But it didn't.... my proposed plan is the one that was CARRIED OUT and WON.

As for the real "hero" of town I'm not saying I was anywhere close to that, as I wanted PF lynched D1 over Xalve and you.

I'm just sayin' don't misrepresent the reasons you lost, butthurt scumgirl

[Fate]

K THEN STOP TRYIN TO MAKE ME RAGE BY NOT GIVIN ME CREDIT

RAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Fate]

PFS PLAN DIDNT GO INTO EFFECT

PF HELPED WIN IT BY BEING TOWNISH AT D2 START


MY READS+MY PLAN=MY VICTORY


YES HOOPLA CONVINCED YOU DUMMIES THAT I WAS TOWN.

BUT XALXES FLIP HELPED CLEAR ME TOO

AND IMPLICATE YOUR SCUMBAGNESS

IT WAS A TEAM EFFORT DAMNT

[Fate]

If Xalxe had quickhammered UA

I

would've been vigged?

How the hell does that work out