TT; Book 1: Bible Verse Mafia - Game over!

[inHimshallibe]

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confirm

[inHimshallibe]

I'm an ace at these mith-challenges. (1 for 1! )

vote: MoS

- why did it stop losing votes in the first place?

[inHimshallibe]

OK, so we have MoS with a "self-explanatory" vote. I don't understand the vote. Explain it to me (no word limit).

[inHimshallibe]

Aww, controversial players! How sweet.

Anyway, checking in from my holiday festivities. I've skimmed up, and the little spitting match might have worth to me later, on a more coherent read-through. But now it's late, and I like my bed a lot.

[inHimshallibe]

But

we're

lynching MoS. Or, at least until he answers my question.

To MoS: Yes, I know you're away at the moment. I still expect an answer at some point, though.

[inHimshallibe]

Unvote: MoS
Vote: VisMaior

- for the sake of bandwagonry.

FOS: MoS

IGMEOY: EnderX

- I liked a majority of what you said in your most recent post, but I find something scummy in the listing of verses and such.

[inHimshallibe]

I've come to have some light shone upon IS's fodder-clearing play, even if he never intended his "strategy" to work for this reason. To me, in most mafia games at least, it's hard to see the forest through the trees, and it's also why I'm quite apathetic to a D1 lynch. Now, later on, as we have more developments, early-game bandwagons and lynches can be useful resources. I'm mostly just playing by feel at the moment, and then I'll listen to the logic on D2.

That said, I'm really feeling an

unvote

,

Now,

vote: FD

- I suppose if you needed a certain something as to why I feel this way, it'd be post 163.

[inHimshallibe]

Oh, come off it, mith. Either vote or don't and give your reasons, which I can't say I disagree with on the most pary, but please spare us the high and mighty routine.

I'm

mainly

voting for FD with CA's point 2 (good point!) in mind. Add to the fact that this is the flavor of the day, and it makes me even happier to be voting for the Dutchman.

[inHimshallibe]

Reading comprehension for you then! "Routine" would be something followed fairly regularly. My post was saying that I've felt a trickle of H&M, and that the eyeroll was kind of the topping.

I guess, though, if it was sarcasm, you're OK for now.

[inHimshallibe]

I agree with the thinking that even though the Bible is indeed an old Book, that the roles are basically "modern."

[inHimshallibe]

Just so everyone knows, I'm not voting for Dutchman because of an investigation, I just think he's really scummy, and he hasn't done anything since I started pretending I had a guilty investigation on him to convince me otherwise.

Agreed. Understood.

[inHimshallibe]

Here's the deal: I'm still not on reliable access, but I've found a place I can actually log on to the site from. My participation will be sporadic, and late (CST) - please bear with me as I await the valiant ITS people to solve my problems.

That being said, I'll be back on later tonight. I just don't have the time now.

[inHimshallibe]

The runup on RoadBird is moving kind of fast... [/Zippy]

Looking at how the votes settled, I'm going to throw out that there's probably at least one more baddie on the lynch train.

Right now I'm going for the vote, unvote, hammer, in a short span of time -

Vote: Dragon Phoenix

[inHimshallibe]

inHim, I can't fault DP for what he did yesterday. FD was dead anyway, and was suiciding.

(

I do agree that there is likely at least one more scum on that wagon, I just don't see any strong reason to suspect DP over anyone else, including you.

)

Bold is understood - it just caught my eye moreso than the other votes. I'll have to go back a little deeper for some better textual evidence.

Italicized is also understood (although your defense of DP, subtle as it is, is noted ). I in no way wanted to confirm myself without proper evidence. We can save the twisting of words for later, thanks.

[inHimshallibe]

I'm not sure I like the speed of the RB wagon, especially with some of the votes having very little justification, but I haven't seen better from RoadBird.

Sticking with my vote for now.

No comments on the speed from those already on the wagon, please.

[inHimshallibe]

Unvote
Vote: LyingBrian

[inHimshallibe]

Are you always just mad at me or something, LB? It's like my vote is what triggers the Bruce Banner -> Hulk response from you.

Lee did make a good post. I judged the options and decided you were the best ticket at the time.

And, on a more personal note, I really don't like being told I'm not following the game.

[inHimshallibe]

hmpf..... miscount.....since you are two away from lynch....

What means this?

I vow I'll re-read this. One thread's enough for a night, though.

[inHimshallibe]

Seconded.

[inHimshallibe]

Ok, I'm back from an awful school week. I will be catching up, bumping posts along the way.

[inHimshallibe]

the current play is totally not pooky.

This struck me as particularly scummy. Care to provide content at all?

Vote: Kerplunk

For lurking and for reasons stated earlier.

Misdirection abounds!

[inHimshallibe]

Well, plan B then:

Vote PookyTheMagicalBear

I love the dichotomous thinking... one or the other...

[inHimshallibe]

Well, plan B then:

Vote PookyTheMagicalBear

I love the dichotomous thinking... one or the other...

Oh, and this isn't only intended for DP, but to all.

[inHimshallibe]

Personally, I think a

vote: VitaminR

is in order, unless I'm missing something blatant.

[inHimshallibe]

I was and am annoyed by Pooky's comment and lack of content. I don't want to vote him based solely on that. Pressure voting is not productive. Like all the unvotes of Kerplunk now.

I voted Kerplunk for what he did Day 2. I'm not sure what the misdirection here is.

This is reasonable. I'll go back and do some vote analysis...

[inHimshallibe]

I'll preface this with saying I'm only going by Cadmium's counts (with the exception of the lynches.) If anyone would like to revise these - as far as if there were anymore voters in the mid-Day segments I show - feel free to do so. I have only bolded confirmed GGs and colored red the BGs - based upon death as the only confirmation.

DAY 1

The first mini-wagon of the game, with the peak vote count on Coron:

Vote count:

1 inHimshallibe (VitaminR)
1 VitaminR (Kerplunk)
1 Kerplunk (VisMaior)
2 mith (Iammars,

LyingBrian

)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Mastermind of Sin)
1

armlx

(Tyfo)
1 Mastermind of Sin (inHimshallibe)
2

Flying Dutchman

(Commodore Amazing,

PeaceBringer

)
6 Coron (mith,

Flying Dutchman

, Fritzler,

armlx

, PookyTheMagicalBear, RoadBird)

1 no lynch (EnderX)

not voting (2): Coron,

Fuldu

--------------------------------------------------------

The pinnacle of the VisMaior D1 run-up:

Vote count:

1 mith (Mastermind of Sin)
2

Flying Dutchman

(Commodore Amazing, inHimshallibe)
1 Coron (PookyTheMagicalBear)
7 VisMaior (VitaminR, RoadBird, Fritzler,

PeaceBringer

, mith,

Flying Dutchman

,

LyingBrian

)
3 RoadBird (Coron, EnderX, armlx)
2

armlx

(

Fuldu

, Kerplunk)
1

LyingBrian

(VisMaior)

not voting (2): Iammars, Tyfo

VisMaior then verseclaimed, and we lynched FD.
--------------------------------------------------------

Vote count:

10

Flying Dutchman

(Commodore Amazing, inHimshallibe,

PeaceBringer

, Fritzler, PookyTheMagicalBear,

armlx

, Coron, RoadBird,

Flying Dutchman

, Dragon Phoenix)
4 RoadBird (EnderX, Thoth, VitaminR, mith)
1

armlx

(Kerplunk)
2

LyingBrian

(VisMaior,

Fuldu

)

not voting (3): Iammars,

LyingBrian

[inHimshallibe]

I'm getting the rest of the data... hang on...

[inHimshallibe]

DAY 2

The RoadBird stall-out:

Vote count:

4

LyingBrian

(

Fuldu

, Commodore Amazing, RoadBird, Fritzler)
8 RoadBird (Dragon Phoenix, Thoth, PookyTheMagicalBear,

LyingBrian

, EnderX, Coron, Kerplunk, VisMaior)
1 Dragon Phoenix (inHimshallibe)

not voting (3): Iammars, mith, VitaminR

9 to lynch.
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And the LyingBrian lynch:

Vote count:

9

LyingBrian

(

Fuldu

, Commodore Amazing, RoadBird, LoudmouthLee, Fritzler, PookyTheMagicalBear, inHimshallibe, VisMaior, VitaminR)
2 RoadBird (Coron, Kerplunk)
3 VisMaior (mith, Thoth,

LyingBrian

)

not voting (2): Dragon Phoenix, EnderX

[inHimshallibe]

Besides the lynch votes, I think these are key spots:

2 Flying Dutchman (Commodore Amazing, PeaceBringer)

- I'm willing to clear CA of any ties with PB.

7 VisMaior (VitaminR, RoadBird, Fritzler, PeaceBringer, mith, Flying Dutchman, LyingBrian)

- This is a tough one to call, but - at most - there's only one additional scum on this wagon, in my opinion.

4 RoadBird (EnderX, Thoth, VitaminR, mith)

- I really think we've got a scum in here.

8 RoadBird (Dragon Phoenix, Thoth, PookyTheMagicalBear, LyingBrian, EnderX, Coron, Kerplunk, VisMaior)

- I can't see this getting as high as it did without a scum on the wagon.

[inHimshallibe]

Oops. I meant to include a

Vote: Thoth

along with that.

[inHimshallibe]

Interesting that you characterize what CA was doing as flat-out lying. I don't think it was that; perhaps straightforwardness, but I don't think he was being deceptive about all that much.

[inHimshallibe]

As to my "conclusions" - I've spent quite a good while now looking at the voting records throughout games, and what the implications of scum voting together/separately, the cause-effect of bandwagons stalling, and so on, so forth...

All that said, to what I've written: the best place to hide your vote is not always in the biggest bandwagon, but in the second largest wagon of the Day. Thoth and mith have done this the previous two Days. mith has been investigated and found innocent, and so I have voted Thoth.

Also, I would think it very rare for two scum to not contribute to a lynch, and place/leave votes on the

same

someone that won't be lynched, which is why I say that if PB had other partners, CA would not be one of them. This doesn't rule out him being scum for another team.

Lastly, scum fuel bandwagons, so if a quick wagon dies out, I'd expect it to be because the Town has a sensible head on its shoulders and wishes to look elsewhere.

If you need me to clear up anything else, just ask.

[inHimshallibe]

inHim's argument against Thoth bothers me. While it is certainly true that scum sometimes stay off a lynching bandwagon in order to appear more innocent when the lynched player turns up innocent, but to take that line of thinking to "we should lynch one of the players that was on the second biggest wagon both days" ducks the responsibility voting for dead innocents.

But, using the information given, I think this is quite possibly our best play for the day. Let me go back and look at the lynch wagons too, and I'll see about another player.

[inHimshallibe]

Oh, and I didn't intend to let others off the hook for lynching innocents. We should definitely consider the lynch voters, as I mentioned in the previous post.

[inHimshallibe]

Pooky - then why aren't you voting someone? Hesitancy to vote seems fairly scummy to me.

On both lynches: CA, Fritzler, inHim, Pooky, RoadBird - I'll also consider voting one of these guys (except myself).

Vote: Pooky

[inHimshallibe]

Um... Hi.

[inHimshallibe]

Let me catch up.