Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[xvart]

I heard noises Night Zero. I warded Night Zero.

I have a question for everyone: What is your Stars Aligned experience? That is, have you played in both 1 and 2, just one of them, or is this your first?

SA virgin here.

Sh**!!!1 That means I am about to die tonight! FFFFFFF

Someone could have warded you, so you are not necessarily dead tonight.

Although I appreciate the thought and logic in MoI's post 29 I don't think skill level will be a good basis for judging likelihood of going Murderer. Some players who might not fall into the top tier of player skill might still find going SK fun, and therefore do it regardless of how difficult it might be or how likely they are to lose going that route.

@Moi: I didn't send a ward in on El Goosuki, I sent one in on a player that must have /outted, but Percy, realizing I wanted to ward, did it on the next person alphabetically. I disagree that I am not a strong town player. You are comparing my town play to my scum play. My SCUM play is not strong. my TOWN play is strong because my scum play is so weak and obvious that it makes me very easily confirmable.

This is absolute nonsense.

Vote: Furculow

Fensal's defense and justification of Furculow's motives is noted.

Noise/Ward list coming in next post.

xvart.

[xvart]

Noises/Ward List 1.01

Andrius
AurorusVox
Baby Spice
Benmage
Bowser - No Noise (35), Did not Ward (35)
El Goosuki
Fate
Feysal - No Noise (42), Did not Ward (42)
Furcolow - No Noise (12), Warded Drippereth (43), actually warded El Goosuki (12)
Furpants_Tom
hitorogoshi - Heard Noises (50), Ward/ing Status Unknown
kunkstar7 - Heard Noise (8), Did not Ward (33)
Lost Butterfly
MagnaofIllusion - Heard Noise (7), Did not Ward (7)
Plum
ReaperCharlie - Heard Noises (6), Did not Ward (26)
rewq455
Seacore
SpyreX
Super Smash Bros. Fan
totallynotmafia
Triglav
Trilobite - No Noise (38), Did not Ward (38)
VasudeVa
VP Baltar - Heard Noises (44)
Wickedestjr
Wingless - No Noise (41), Did not Ward (41)
xvart - Heard Noises (52), Warded (52)

[xvart]

Sexy.

I knew you had an affinity towards lists, so I thought you would like it. Maybe we can color code it too?

xvart.

[xvart]

OMG. 13 pages?? If there are ten pages of the Fate Benmage pissing match I'm going to claw my eyes out. Reading now...

xvart.

[xvart]

I couldn't think of a more fitting picture to how I feel right now:

vote: fate

i only know my role, so i need to preserve my role

Self preservation is not town. There are many more investigators than cult, so cult would be more interested in self preservation.

Vote: xvart

Obvious 'make list to look town via null information accrual' is obvious.

lol? The list was going to be made one way or another, so null tell at best, but easy vote justification none the less.

More furc confirmation.

No. There are other reasons that El Gooky could have heard noises from multiple people.

Also, Anybody who took cower night 0 (for whatever reason) needs to claim so immediately.

I agree.

hitogoroshi, other than qualms with you reiterating, I agree with your post. I should take a breather, and collect myself. Should. I'm not going to. You know why?

Because it would not fit my town meta.

I am very, very helpful while I am here. I am not going to be here all day, so people will be able to play while I'm away.

Needing to fit a town meta? Hmmmm...

Ward won't stop the kill, only stalks and fetish passing and such
I know a way we can stop him

vote benmage

Wait just one second, am I reading this right? You want to stop Fate (your previous vote holder) from killing Benmage by lynching Benmage?

Or, I could be a smart Investigator, who read the fucking rules, and has a brain....... i wonder....

If you were a smart investigator and read the rules you would have known there were seven cult members and wouldn't have assumed that 1/4 would be the same in both games.

Updating xvart's chart.

SHIT! I was just doing this through the last ten pages... lol. At least we'll cross compare to see if either of us missed anything.

**It's about this time when I couldn't take any more and started skimming for wards/noises. Although during my skim I think I found something good, and I'll be reading the last few pages in greater detail in a bit and checking a few things out.**

I think it would be a good to make out a Town Approved Insanity list. Agree/Disagree?

I agree. I'll take a look at the list and narrow it down in my next post later tonight.

xvart.

[xvart]

Noises/Ward List 1.02

Andrius

AurorusVox

- No Noises (219), Did Not Ward (219)

Baby Spice

- No Noises (308),

Warded

(308)

Benmage

- Noises Unknown,

Stalked Fate

(62),

Insanity: Suicidal (N1)

Bowser

- No Noise (35), Did not Ward (35)

El Goosuki

(warded by Furculow)

-

Heard Noises

(67), Ward/ing Status Unknown

Fate

(stalked by Benmage)

-

Heard Noises

(71), Did Not Ward (71)

Feysal

- No Noise (42), Did not Ward (42)

Furcolow

- No Noise (12),

Warded Drippereth

(43), actually

warded El Goosuki

(12)

Furpants_Tom

-

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

(50), Did not Ward (64)

kunkstar7

-

Heard Noises

(8), Did not Ward (33)

Lost Butterfly

-

Heard Noises

(85), Did not Ward (85)

MagnaofIllusion

-

Heard Noises

(7), Did not Ward (7)

Plum

- No Noises (296), Did Not Ward (296)

ReaperCharlie

(Warded by rewq455)

-

Heard Noises

(6), Did not Ward (26)

rewq455

-

Heard Noises

(222),

Warded ReaperCharlie

(137)

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

(69), Did Not Ward (69)

SpyreX

- No Noises (247), Did Not Ward (247)

Super Smash Bros. Fan

-

totallynotmafia

-

Triglav

- No Noise (63), Ward/ing Unknown

Trilobite

- No Noise (38), Did not Ward (38)

VasudeVa

- No Noise (278), Did not Ward (278)

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

(44), Ward/ing Unknown

Wickedestjr

-

Heard Noises

(233), Did Not Ward (233)

Wingless

- No Noise (41), Did not Ward (41)

xvart

-

Heard Noises

(52),

Warded

(52)

[xvart]

xvart, you never claimed WHO you warded. Who was your target? Also, why didn't you claim it considering even your helpful list post contained other players' ward targets? It's not like you can claim ignorance.

Question to both xvart and Magna: what do you think of Furcolow now that the discrepancy between ward targets is explained? Still

a viable mislynch

scum?

Hi Mina - I only posted the wards for the people who claimed them. Baby Spice also did not claim her ward target. At the time (and even now) I didn't know if claiming the ward target is in the town's best interest. I have no problem claiming my ward target. I do think we should come to a consensus about warding targets, but I'll defer to the setup freaks in the room on this one.

As for furc, I still think he is cult, but the only thing holding me back is what Hito said about the rule discrepancy in the early game so I need to consider that in the grand scheme of things. In the meantime, his posting is so scummy, and his self proclaimed VI-town frustration does not match behavior I have observed. Plus what Percy said about matching names and targets, with a default action of Cower.

The thing I mentioned in my last post was that I was going to look into was a bust. I didn't remember DGB posting in the sign up thread and was thinking that the only way Furculow knew that DGB was in the game as a hydra is if they were chatting in the QT and made the mistake on claiming who he warded.

15 votes on someone is going to be a tall order

Fifteen votes is a tall order? Isn't that, you know, the lynch threshold we have to reach to lynch someone today?

ben, if you don't expect to make it to endgame, it should give you even more reason to kill him

Your not so subtle attempt to get a Fate killed without a lynch is duly noted. My guess is you know Fate is town and you are trying to get a town Benmage to kill him and save your team some troubles.

ben, if you don't expect to make it to endgame, it should give you even more reason to kill him

I just said I'll do it. But I didn't hear noise, so clearly I'll be alive a little longer.

Well, it's all good man. You need to just calm down and act like Fate doesn't exist. It would help the town even more than confirming you... possibly..

Now you are telling Benmage to ignore Fate?

oh. i didn't even look through it. i saw investigator, and i knew people warded n0 in sa2 so i wanted to help

For someone who was bragging about how in tune with the rules he is, options available would be fairly obvious. Did you mean to say you were prompted by your cult buds to say this to cover up whatever fetishes you were crafting?

Ben is probably the scummiest player I've noticed on my first read but I'd rather see him prove his town credentials via him killing Fate than lynching him.

So we are going to start lynching people to prove they are town? That doesn't sound like a very good plan to me. If Fate is dead tomorrow we'll eventually be able to determine if he was a cult or investigator killed him.

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I agree with hito's forbidden list of insanities.
I was thinking about having confirmable insanities for town, but there aren't enough that are also town safe.
I think Twitchy is solid for a town insanity.
Necrophilia is good for someone who is a designated grave robber.
Compulsion is fine since it is a natural action for town anyways.
I also don't see a problem with Compulsion.

Andy - I didn't see your crumb of you noise claim.

xvart.

[xvart]

I warded MoI

because of his play and smarts in aCoK large theme, and his thought/thinking in that game, which would be beneficial in this game due to the complexities.

I don't like xvart - literally every single post tunnels on furc with now reluctantly considering the ward/rule thing in the beginning, and part of the crowd who didn't go check the signup thread before finding Furc's explanation implausible (to see how Drippereth signed up, then DGB outted with the intention of Elli to hydra with someone else, then El Goosuki inned.)

Any reluctance was because Furculow is behaving so scummy, and that information that I had not looked back on was giving me pause. I still believed him to be scum independent of how the incidents that occurred played out, but I had to consider it (but now that Baby Spice has pointed out the interesting time timeline of those events I'm not reluctant about that information at all). Just because someone reminded me of something that happened earlier does not mean I am going to stop pressing on someone who is behaving incredibly scummy. Despite Furculow's attempts to appear to be following his town meta, he is not, at least what I have observed.

I don't have to try to play my town meta
I don't care that players like you, xvart, MoI, or Andrius are haters. At all.

MOI was afraid of me when we were both online, and Xvart as well. They would rather attack me WAY after the fact, while I'm away.

First of all, you did say you were "trying to play to your town meta". Second, I really have no clue what you are trying to accomplish by saying I waited for you to go offline before I attacked you. Do the posts change in that time? Is everyone supposed to be sitting at their computer spamming the post with nonsense like you? And you saying I am afraid of you is simply laughable.

Saying you're waiting on the "set-up wizards" is a huge cop-out, particularly when half the people have already revealed their ward target and there's been extensive discussion as to the merits of Ward claiming (in which most of the set-up wizards voted affirmative). You don't have a single reason of

your own

for why you don't want to reveal your target? You're just delaying your claim and using the "set-up wizards" as a crutch? No thoughts on what the pros and cons are?

This reads like fence-sitting.

I must have missed the parts where the merits of ward claiming was discussed. I didn't immediately claim because I knew that Ward interfered with Craft Fetish and Pass Fetish and the negative I was thinking of about claiming was if we claimed who we Warded then the cult would know not to Pass Fetish to that person in the night, but now I realize that that couldn't happen because they would have failed on the crafting to begin with.

leave percy alone, lets have a good game. this game is complex, but you all are not children.

You ask us to leave him alone but then ask a very similar question in one of your next few posts? I think you are still hiding something and didn't want the mod to confirm or deny something that is going to out your story.

Furcolow's nonsense about Mina posting under her account is obvious making a scummy mountain out of a null molehill.

Fucolow also has a tendancy to vote/FoS anyone who votes/casts suspicion on him.

Caught up to page 19.

xvart.

[xvart]

Furcolow

(483) - you remember precisely the time when you stopped reading the sign up thread? I also love the contradiction about having all the time in the world when he accused us of making cases when you weren't around so you couldn't respond.

Fate

(523) - I don't think should use your Occult Books on Benmage. I think you should use the Books on Furcolow. He is lying. He is probably going Murderer if he is not Cult. Whatever your result on Furculow is good information for us. If he is lying (either about going Murderer or being Cult) then he has an insanity (either from Stalk or Craft Fetish) and you will get a result since you will have no insanities (even if someone passed you a fetish since that resolves after the Commune action). If he has no insanities then you still have your Books and Furculow is cleared of doing something non-town. I think this is the best course of action right now, and it clears up Fucolow to a greater degree than anything else. Can someone double check my thinking and resolution/insanities? Are there any flaws in this?

UNVOTE:

Up to 23 now.

xvart.

[xvart]

(a) Do you really believe he stalked N0? If so why do you think that he claimed to

not

hear any noise, when his previous experience with SA would have pointed to Warders hearing noise?

I do not know what he did last night, but I do not believe he Warded last night. I would never presume to understand why Furcolow does what he does and why he says what he says. A lot of players I can attribute motivations or postulate why they might do something; but Furcolow is so far off the reservation it is fruitless.

(b) You only get an insanity from crafting three Fetishes in one night.

Well shit. Scratch that good plan. So seven cult members can craft a fetish of every single player in the game by roughly the conclusion of N2 (considering there were four wards N0) without gaining an insanity? Hmmmm...

And even if Benmage doesn't shoot/kill you, we still need to Res you tonight because if you use Occult Books on Benmage - but then get killed by, I don't know,

the cult

- we'll then have no idea if it was Ben-as-cult or someone-else-framing-Ben-as-cult. Why don't you want Res kits?! If you've actually got a res kit yourself and were lying about the occult books, now would be the time to admit it.

It's highly doubtful that the Cult would Craft Fetish of either Benmage or Fate, considering discussion in the sign up thread. But I suppose if they can craft multiple fetishes it's possible for later on.

We're only missing

Furpants

claim for the final list.

xvart.

[xvart]

Noises/Ward List 1.03

Andrius

- No Noises (272), Did Not Ward (272)

AurorusVox

- No Noises (219), Did Not Ward (219)

Baby Spice

- No Noises (308),

Warded MagnaofIllusion

(308)

Benmage

- No Noises (55),

Stalked Fate

(62),

Insanity: Suicidal (N1)

Bowser

- No Noise (35), Did not Ward (35)

El Goosuki

(warded by Furculow)

-

Heard Noises

(67), Did Not Ward (604)

Fate

(stalked by Benmage)

-

Heard Noises

(71), Did Not Ward (71)

Feysal

- No Noise (42), Did not Ward (42)

Furcolow

- No Noise (12),

Warded El Goosuki

(12)

Furpants_Tom

- No Noise (680),

Ward/ing Unknown

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

(50), Did not Ward (64)

kunkstar7

-

Heard Noises

(8), Did not Ward (33)

Lost Butterfly

-

Heard Noises

(85), Did not Ward (85)

MagnaofIllusion

(Warded by Baby Spice and xvart)

-

Heard Noises

(7), Did not Ward (7)

Plum

- No Noises (296), Did Not Ward (296)

ReaperCharlie

(Warded by rewq455)

-

Heard Noises

(6), Did not Ward (26)

rewq455

-

Heard Noises

(222),

Warded ReaperCharlie

(137)

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

(69), Did Not Ward (69)

SpyreX

- No Noises (247), Did Not Ward (247)

Super Smash Bros. Fan

- No Noises (346), Did Not Ward (346)

totallynotmafia

- No Noises (318), Did Not Ward (597)

Triglav

- No Noise (63), Did Not Ward (272)

Trilobite

- No Noise (38), Did not Ward (38)

VasudeVa

- No Noise (278), Did not Ward (278)

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

(44), Did Not Ward (567)

Wickedestjr

-

Heard Noises

(233), Did Not Ward (233)

Wingless

- No Noise (41), Did not Ward (41)

xvart

-

Heard Noises

(52),

Warded MagnaofIllusion

(603)

[xvart]

And I've already pointed out two flaws in xvart's plan, so no, it's not a good idea.

But the flaws are flaws in determining if he is Cult; not determining if he is lying investigator going Murderer. The general consensus is that he is fairly cleared of being Cult, so that is almost a moot point. My point in my last post was that the plan was better when it could catch Cult and Murderer (if in the off chance the town's nonCult read of Furcolow is wrong). I still think it's a good plan because he is lying and most likely already has an insanity. Fate does not have an insanity. Commune will show if Fucolow is an Investigator going Murderer.

xvart.

[xvart]

i'm not graverobbing. It's not my cup of tea. Get benmage to do it. I already know my action for tonight, and I'm not going to tell you all what it is, but I have a pretty good plan.

Hmmm... Furcolow not playing with the town's best interest in mind, nor caring about town opinions. Also scheming his own plan. Furc - you should be our gravrobber, then you get the added bonus of getting to nine insanities faster to double stalk, and your grave robbing will tell you when you find any other murderers (pending you are the only one to rob grave) so you know who to target next.

too bad this is WIFOM because there is an insanity which delays a day dumbfuck

Awesome.

You do bring up an interesting point.

@Mod: Are delayed Denial insanities gained during the night (as in the selectors insanity count goes up during the night) but selected in the morning? When does the persons insanity count go up in the order of action chart?

Also two people claimed to have Warded the same person. Guess what this could mean?

Do tell, madame Plum.
(Although, I think I may have guessed it along the way. It has something to do with Baby Spice right~ *cookie if yes*, *no cookie if no*)

I was thinking Plum was thinking that I claimed to Ward someone already Warded in an attempt to hide a anti-Investigator action.

But more on this when I respond to kunkstar and xvart's utterly ridiculous "Use your Commune on Furc, because he's probably town, but we want to be EXTRA EXTRA EXTRA SURE that he doesn't go a murderer" plan (even though all the evidence suggests he warded on N0).

Woah woah woah, Mina. Let's be careful here before you misrep me too hard here. Yes, there are people who are town, but there are some of the town who are going to go the Murderer route. While Furc may very well be town now, if he flips an insanity, which I would bet my life on, it is proven that he always intended to go the solo Murder route, since he lied about his first action. I also don't believe in reforming people to stay town who were intending to go Murderer (as was evidence by dram in SA II).

MoI

- I'll get to your question in a bit. I've been too tunneled on Furcolow's madness and need to step back. I'm contemplating Trigalov (whichever Tri-hydra isn't Sotty/Zach/OJ) as a strong possibility, but need to look at a few other people, too. I'll give my reasonings and thinking tomorrow.

xvart.

[xvart]

Just a quick check in; didn't get to my reading today.

If you didn't ward, what did you do?

Why do you want to know what Furpants did last night? Why not the other dozen or so people who didn't ward and haven't claimed an action? And why didn't you follow up when he didn't answer?

I'm especially concerned about people that volunteer or jockey to grave rob. It seems like grave robbing would be a bonus for a player going the Murderer route as if they are the only person who robs a grave he/she will get information from grave robbing that will help their agenda (discovering who the other Murderers are). It seems that the added insanities, if wise decisions are made, can effectively be negated by killing their competition more quickly.

VP - I don't like it at all; and I find it frustrating. I've only ever played briefly with Faraday so I'm not really sure how conniving he can be, but Mina does not strike me as a person who would game the system with a hydra and contradictory reads. I need to go back and look at Lost Butterfly to see how those contradictory reads actually affect the game and their stances.

I also want to note that I don't like SSBF's vote on Bowser with the context of his previous observation on Trigalov. I am of the opinion that Trigalov is also guilty of minimal posting and providing content in the flurry and smoke screen of posting and fighting. SSBF notes that Trigalov is coasting and CSL has dropped in activity to melt suspicion (essentially the same outcome for both player slots) but his suspicions of Trigalov has more meat behind it in this post. I do recognize that SSBF has posted suspicion of Bowser earlier, but there is something in his recent post that just doesn't sit right with me and the way it was presented.

xvart.

[xvart]

Furc 795 - I applaud your effort in posting multiple thoughts in one post. I also enjoyed your misrep about me saying I was too good to answer MoI's question. The biggest thing I'll note is that my plan, however flawed it might be in your eyes, would absolutely guarantee you to not have insanities if you don't. You don't even suggest that it is okay with you for my plan, even though it would completely clear you of what I am accusing you of. Even a Cult Member would say, "go ahead and Book me" if he/she did not have an insanity.

You think I’m not playing aggressively when any number of people have attacked me for being too aggressive regarding Furc? Cool story bro.

It doesn't matter what other people think. What matters is I'm seeing some indications that your Furc-agressiveness may have been faked, and now that Furc's near-unanimously believed to be Town, you're looking for something to do. So you follow on Spy to vote on AV. However, the problem is that lacks the usual MoI Town-aggression I've seen before~. It reeks of buddy distancing, I tellz ya.

Wouldn't the appropriate place for you vote be on the person he is distancing from (AV), since your case hinges on AV being scum?

Honestly, would people be interested in giant cases from me tomorrow night (I'd saved what I'd written on kunkstar and xvart last night, and there's stuff I'd like to call attention to from other players), or is everyone just overwhelmed by all the wall posting? If it weren't against every fibre of my nature, I'd almost say we should move on with a lynch as quickly as possible just to get a flip and keep the game from stagnating. (If we decide on that route, then I'd direct my attention to players who are being wagoned instead.

I actually thought what you posted was your case; but I would certainly be interested in any more details you might have for the case on me, provided Faraday isn't going to come in on Tuesday and say the opposite.

@ xvart and MoI - What do you think of Lost Butterfly? Do their conflicting posts bother you?

You know, I'm debating how much I should defend against this, because I think I'd be more interested in hearing how xvart and MagnaofIllusion answer when they reread.

1

I will say that the questions you should be asking should be:

2

-Does Faraday's 180 on Furcolow OR my consistent defence of Furcolow before and after Faraday's vote have a scum or town motivation? And is either scummy enough to negate the other head's behaviour?

3

-Is it a significant scumtell that Faraday voted before discussing it with me in the QT or waiting for me to wake up?

4

-Is it scummy that Faraday didn't think of how it would look for an account to vote for a player it had just defended before (even if new information had come about)?

5

-Is it scummy that I contradicted him in the thread in order to enforce my own beliefs and/or do damage control?

6

-What scum agenda would be furthered by our switching back and forth like that within a day?

7

-Do you think I've secretly been pretending to be Faraday the whole time so as to fool people?

And maybe Faraday should be the one explaining his own thought patterns and motivations.

But just going, "LOL, Lost Butterfly is scum because it's schizo and contradicts itself" is shallow analysis when two people will obviously never have the same opinions 100% of the time.

1

I actually already gave my initial impressions, here.

2

Guided questions are not your friend in this case.

3

If one individual playing under one account were to say "XXX is scum" and "XXX is town" for different reasons it would be called fence sitting; especially during the time that the Fuculow opinions were being thrown out. Just because there are two people on one account is not a free pass and does not excuse having contradictory reads.

4

Is it a significant scumtell? So you agree that it is a scumtell, just not a big one? Also, from everyone else's eyes, this is unprovable (although possibly likely since you two have drastically different timezones); but still, this isn't a solid defense.

5

He should have thought about it, since we had this exact conversation at the end of post game discussion in the game he modded.

6

Yes. The admittance to doing "damage control" is especially scummy. What damage were you controlling and why did it need your immediate attention without consulting with Faraday first.

7

Like I said, fence sitting; which has more scum motivation than town motivation.

As I said in my previous post, I don't think you (Mina) would maliciously game a hydra that way; but with this recent post I'm starting to believe that it was an unexpected byproduct of being a scum hydra in different time zones.

Except that's not really what happened, is it?

That is exactly what happened: your account flip flopped reads on a lightning rod at the time. I don't think you intended it to occur that way but your defense and guided questions for our consumption and direction is inherently scummy. It's like you got busted for something you don't think you should have been busted for.

VOTE: Lost Butterfly

[xvart]

re: Triglav

3. First off - clearly had opinion on xvart since voted for him. Maybe you don't agree, but please do not ignore Triglav's opinion by suggesting we have made none. Will note that opinion is still held since his response seemed untownish as it was an immediate turnaround backhand scum accusation assault on Triglav yet no vote on Triglav. Need to double check who he is voting, if anyone, but if xvart feels Triglav's vote is obvious sidelining of vote then xvart should feel comfortable voting for Triglav at this stage. Lack of vote is odd. He hasn't seemed to give opinions on anything else much so, yes.

Your initial vote on me had terrible justifications. Like I said, the list was going to be made, there is no doubt about that, so you voted for something that was not a scumtell. It's not a towntell, either; but the fact that you don't assert with any sort of backup that I was going crazy to be the first person to post the list in an attempt to look town by being helpful or that I needed crazy town points because of evidence A, B, and C does not help your case. As for the "immediate turnaround backhand scum accusations assault"... don't you think that is sensationalizing what I said, just a little bit? Your vote was an easy one, but poorly justified and executed.

Agree with whoever said push on furc was probably scum generated.
Consider two oddest furc commentors to be Seacore (oddly insistent in spite of really solid furctown case) and Feysal (had huge wall post where Triglav could swear he was talking out of both sides of mouth at once, had to re-read to see if we could even understand what stance he was taking)

I find it strange that you did not include me on your "oddest furc commentors" since you have a vote on me and I have been one of the biggest "lynch Furcolow" commentors even after everyone else had moved on.

Mina/Faraday "oops, we cross-posted hydra lol" thing seems very honest and is, at worst, null as town/scum would never want to do that anyway. This head fully appreciates the foibles of dealing with hydra and is unimpressed by the heat for this aspect of their play.

While I'm sure you appreciate the foibles of dealing with hydra, you have yet to come across the same dilemma. Maybe it is because you have only posted three times, but are alluding that you might make contradictory reads in the future? I don't understand the basis for this comment, considering both player slots in totality of content presented.

xvart.

[xvart]

I need to go back and look at Lost Butterfly to see how those contradictory reads actually affect the game and their stances.

Have you done this?

I'm in the middle of it, but Mina's response was enough to warrant my immediate vote.

Saying we're fence-sitting doesn't really seem accurate either, since the position was pretty clear, then changed. Flip flopped, definitely but hardly fence sitting.

You are right, in the direct context of that; but, unless someone explicitly posts "we are both in agreement now on this" it can easily be abused by saying, once again, that "the other head thought that" so the door is still open to flip flopping back, so more of an implied fence sitting.

I don't understand why you see guiding the questions as inherently scummy, yet go on to answer them anyway either.

It is scummy anytime someone guides thought processes about their own level of suspicion, especially when most of those things are unprovable. And I didn't so much answer the questions, but respond to them and why they were scummy or contributed to my suspicion.

Has Zach posted for the tribolite hydra yet?

Relevance?

xvart.

[xvart]

I can see where they are going with it. It's a null-point.

I can see where they are going, too; but I want them to spell out why they are asking; it might not be null.

3) triglav's vote is with who? oh, yeah, lost butterfly. and the "confirmed" townie he is trying to use to cast suspicion on xvart... me. I guess I just misread xvart as being too helpful to be town, but i guess that's just how he is. he must work in an office or something

Actually, I don't think you ever mentioned anything about me being too helpful. The nuts and the bolts of the basis for your vote was that you didn't like my attack on you.

im pretty happy where we're at, but xvart needs to learn to not just cast votes on people who vote him
he does that every game

I'm pretty sure that I was voting you looooong before you voted me. I voted for you in my first post. I do that every game? Have you actually read my games or something? Unless you try and reissue a case on me and it is relevant, I'd like to hear more details on your research post game.

Furcolow - can you respond to this:

The biggest thing I'll note is that my plan, however flawed it might be in your eyes, would absolutely guarantee you to not have insanities if you don't. You don't even suggest that it is okay with you for my plan, even though it would completely clear you of what I am accusing you of. Even a Cult Member would say, "go ahead and Book me" if he/she did not have an insanity.

xvart.

[xvart]

...

Baby Spice

- No Noises (308),

Warded

(308)
...

xvart

-

Heard Noises

(52),

Warded

(52)

I only posted the wards for the people who claimed them. Baby Spice also did not claim her ward target. At the time (and even now) I didn't know if claiming the ward target is in the town's best interest. I have no problem claiming my ward target. I do think we should come to a consensus about warding targets, but I'll defer to the setup freaks in the room on this one.

In fact, Baby Spice had claimed to have warded MoI in #308. Did xvart simply miss it, or did he want to avoid having to claim the same ward target as someone else? It is odd that he noticed Baby Spice claiming to have warded, but not her target in the very same post.

I did miss it. You'll see from my post 329 toward the bottom I quote post 240, strike out my comments below it, and then say:

**It's about this time when I couldn't take any more and started skimming for wards/noises. Although during my skim I think I found something good, and I'll be reading the last few pages in greater detail in a bit and checking a few things out.**

I saw Baby Spice say "I warded" while skimming through.

Andrius

- No Noises (272), Did Not Ward (272)
...

Where did this come from? Only a few posts before this I said that I had not seen Andrius explicitly claim whether he heard noise.

I don't remember who, but someone quoted Andy's post where Andy said he heard Reaper's mother having sex in the bushes or something like that, and assumed that meant he heard noises. I agreed, and updated as such.

Possibly contradicting himself here. He says there were four wards, but one of them was Furcolow, and he does not believe Furcolow warded?

It was a complete hypothetical based on what had actually been claimed. The only way I would know 100% that Furcolow did or did not ward is if we were Cult together.

jeeps tells #5: Admitting someone is a townie without saying "IF" (+10) (mafia knows for sure who isn't mafia)

Weren't you the one just defending your vote on LB by saying that the Jeep tells were out of date?

xvart.

[xvart]

The point I was making with all those open-ended questions is that

Baltar and ReaperCharlie should look for the scum or town motivations behind our inconsistencies

, instead of being lazy and saying that a hydra that contradicts itself is scum because it is known that Inconsistencies Are Scummy, End of Story. I didn't even go the next step and say, "No, Faraday

didn't

have a scum motivation for behaving the way he did."

Do you not think that we would be able to discern town motivations behind it without your "open ended questions"? The scum motivations behind such a contradiction is obvious, as VP pointed out by ML and his play in aCoK, among other things. The town motivation is simple: lazy or accident; neither of which

should

happen.

-Is it a significant scumtell that Faraday voted before discussing it with me in the QT or waiting for me to wake up?

We've been sharing reads in the QT (and Faraday's vote for Furcolow was really the only time I've been in vehement disagreement with him to the point that I felt the need to put my foot down in the thread), but it's hard to check everything before posting when the game is moving so quickly.

It is clear that while Faraday may not have discussed with you the actual vote, your second quote here suggests that you had made it clear in the QT where you stood on Furcolow. In addition, you were awake when he posted the vote, because you posted immediately before (10/21 5:15am) and after (10/21 6:12am) his vote (10/21 6:08am). So not only were you questions leading but

mis

leading.

So like I said, I don't think you or Faraday did it maliciously or were trying to game the system; but instead caught some heat and then your response was super scummy, and apparently fabricated to some degree. Busted for something you don't think was scummy comes to mind.

Mina - you never answered why you asked Zach if he had posted yet in his hydra account? Why did you want to know? He has since posted so...

If anybody is keeping a tally of how confused Furc seems to be getting about the consequences of his claimed N0 action, please add this to it.

Yeah, it's not worth it. I gave up noting all the scumtastic things he has done, contradictions, fake or manipulated scumtells, etc. If this was any other game he would have hung by now.

I'm really not impressed with the Bowser wagon since they haven't posted in five days. The fact that people keep jumping on and off it is interesting, since there has been no new added content to analyze.

---

WHAT IS YOUR READ ON BENMAGE? TOWN/CULT
WHAT IS YOUR READ ON FATE? TOWN/CULT

Town/Town. I hereby understand and relinquish my rights to discuss night actions involving Benmage and Fate.

MINA!!!
I STILL LOVE READING YOUR POSTS.
COULD YOU BE AWESOME AND PUT A GAME SUMMARY WALL FOR ME
THANKS!!!!

ElG / LB scumteam, anyone?

Vote: ElGoosuki

Read the thread yourself or ask to get replaced. You're a dead weight for town, but worse than that, you're purposefully not giving anyone any information to work with. You're intentionally playing your vote down as random, to not take responsibility for reasoning on it. I wouldn't be surprised if you voted for Seacore or ReaperCharlie soon.

This is a terribly justified vote. If they were a scumteam, wouldn't they just post the summary in the thread? Unless you think CultGoosuki joking about being behind would only joke with a scumbuddy.

I've got a couple other tabs open and I see a ton of posts in the preview edit; but I'm mostly caught up now. Will comment on the RC wagon shortly.

xvart.

[xvart]

Actually that was me with the post after. And that was me that mentioned the zach thing too. I guess I should start signing my posts, sorry i thought the difference was kinda obvious.

I think we are in agreement, there. I'm not sure what you are getting at since I said you posted, Faraday voted, then you posted again, despite you "being asleep" when he voted.

I also saw when skimming through the new posts that you answered the question about Zach already, so disregard that question. I'll get back to it in a bit.

xvart.

[xvart]

this vote is more because of me accusing you after percy's post, mina.
Faraday is going to be so fucking pissed at you for associating yourself to seacore, and baby spice is so scum-VI he reminds me of vezokpiraka

That was Faraday. I can't see any reason for Percy not to get back to you. I realise what you're saying about DGB being in the game, that's mostly irrelevant though as far as I can see.

This was you (Faraday)?

xvart.

[xvart]

[Triglav's] initial vote on me had terrible justifications. Like I said, the list was going to be made, there is no doubt about that, so you voted for something that was not a scumtell. It's not a towntell, either;

but the fact that you don't assert with any sort of backup that I was going crazy to be the first person to post the list

in an attempt to look town by being helpful or that I needed crazy town points because of evidence A, B, and C does not help your case.

We...did claim that you did it right away to look townish.
Don't understand.
Want time/date stamp to show how quickly you volunteered to do it?

Okay... I suppose that saying "Noise/Ward list coming in next post" could be construed as "volunteering" in an "attempting to look townie." What alternative is there? Should we have voted on who was going to make the noise list? Ideally, who should have started the list and when? My point is your justification would have fit for anyone who started the list, which is terrible justification for a serious vote, which you are defending as such. Which reminds me, I never added the one missing piece.

---

Relevance?

He's the only one on that hydra I can read one way or another (mostly due to lurking as scum), or at least the easiest and only one of their posts before then hadn't been signed so I wanted to know who made it.

I'm not really sure I buy this; which post of Trilobite are you referring to? They all are signed in the day leading up to your comment. This looked like a deflection in trying to get some hydra support since someone hadn't posted yet. In the context of that post, it seemed relevant to the hydra discussion and not to trying to read out a possible scum lurker. Also, all the arguments just seem a little out of place or off; like Faraday talking in third person? These responses just don't plausibly sit well with me as all being legitimate; but I recognize that it is circumstantial at best now.

UNVOTE:

While looking back I saw I missed this question:

Xvart have you ever played with furc before? If so, what game(s)?

I think I've only been in one game with Furcolow, and it is on going. That is the only game that comes to mind; which is why his read on me and my play is so intriguing because he has never struck me as the player to metamine.

---

Yes, the flavours are different; but he can claim his murder was rezzed away - as, in fact, we're already planning to allow him to do.

Actually this reminds me of something that should be brought up.

There's almost certainly going to be a greater ritual tonight, I don't see a reason why it would just be a standard one.

So: Benmage murdering fate, Player A rezzing fate, Cultists doing ritual
will look the same as
Player A rezzing fate, Cultists doing greater ritual.

Both of them allow a rezzer to step forward and say "I tried to Rez Fate last night and I got blood all over me, but fate is still dead"

Hell, Cultist-Benmage could have had one of his buddies pick up a rez kit for that express purpose, i.e. in my second example, Player A could be cult.

I'm not saying this is what happened or will happen, I'm just saying we can't discount it just because of the kill flavour

The problem with your final speculation is that your assumption is based on Benmage Murdering Fate, so Benmages Cult buddies does not follow. Also, even if the Cult crafted a Fetish of Fate I doubt they would use it tonight just based on the pure madness that is surrounding them and the madness that will probably be tomorrow depending on what Benmage does tonight. And, why would they kill someone who might die tonight anyway? This whole rezzing thing just doesn't seem worth it to try to get some town cred for Cult members, especially when a Murder could easily unravel their plans by murdering one of the people involved in this plot.

It's particularly interesting that he has taken a comment of mine about how frustrating the Fate/Benmage thing was in early days and decided its a scum tell, as I'm pretending to be a concerned townie.
Yet we're not allowed to take this as a scum tell, because it's just a sign of his laziness.

I.e. He's allowed to be lazy, I'm not allowed to be frustrated.

I don't see how the two tells are comparable, other than they both are fairly bad tells.

---

If I was cult, why wouldn't I just let Furcolow get lynched?

Really? This is easy. ScumRC would want Furcolow alive because in the eventual event of his lynch you could claim an impeccable read on him. Also, him being alive would create a player slot that could very well be detrimental long term, or at least create pages of nonsense and little content to filter through for days. The fact that you have always been so adamant about Furcolow not being lynched has always struck me as odd, because even if you think he is so obvious town, you don't strike me as a player that would be up in arms about keeping him around. You have always struck me as a guy willing to trim the fat, or at least not caring enough about not trimming the fat.

Wait, I thought the Cult could kill each night regardless of stalking.

Fetishes give people extra insanities, and the Ritual kills 'em, right?

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Now this is something I could actually see ScumRC doing as misdirection. Trying to pull a not so fast one on everyone. Who were you even talking to when you made this comment Reaper?

VOTE: ReaperCharlie

---

If you are so sure, why are you not defending him with proper arguments? Your word alone does little to influence my opinion of him... though I've not yet really formed my opinion, I will have to read ReaperCharlie's posts to see where this wagon is coming from.

Feysal, meet DGB. DGB, meet Feysal.

xvart.

[xvart]

Noises/Ward List 1.04 (FINAL)

Andrius

- No Noises (272), Did Not Ward (272)

AurorusVox

- No Noises (219), Did Not Ward (219)

Baby Spice

- No Noises (308),

Warded MagnaofIllusion

(308)

Benmage

- No Noises (55),

Stalked Fate

(62),

Insanity: Suicidal (D1)

Bowser

- No Noise (35), Did not Ward (35)

El Goosuki

(warded by Furculow)

-

Heard Noises

(67), Did Not Ward (604)

Fate

(stalked by Benmage)

-

Heard Noises

(71), Did Not Ward (71)

Feysal

- No Noise (42), Did not Ward (42)

Furcolow

- No Noise (12),

Warded El Goosuki

(12)

Furpants_Tom

- No Noise (680), Did Not Ward (727)

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

(50), Did not Ward (64)

kunkstar7

-

Heard Noises

(8), Did not Ward (33)

Lost Butterfly

-

Heard Noises

(85), Did not Ward (85)

MagnaofIllusion

(Warded by Baby Spice and xvart)

-

Heard Noises

(7), Did not Ward (7)

Plum

- No Noises (296), Did Not Ward (296)

ReaperCharlie

(Warded by rewq455)

-

Heard Noises

(6), Did not Ward (26)

rewq455

-

Heard Noises

(222),

Warded ReaperCharlie

(137)

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

(69), Did Not Ward (69)

SpyreX

- No Noises (247), Did Not Ward (247)

Super Smash Bros. Fan

- No Noises (346), Did Not Ward (346)

totallynotmafia

- No Noises (318), Did Not Ward (597)

Triglav

- No Noise (63), Did Not Ward (272)

Trilobite

- No Noise (38), Did not Ward (38)

VasudeVa

- No Noise (278), Did not Ward (278)

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

(44), Did Not Ward (567)

Wickedestjr

-

Heard Noises

(233), Did Not Ward (233)

Wingless

- No Noise (41), Did not Ward (41)

xvart

-

Heard Noises

(52),

Warded MagnaofIllusion

(603)

[xvart]

YO XVART. I JUST CLARIFIED MY NOISE AND YOU IGNORED ME. WTF

Shit, clerical error. I even posted about you hearing noises a couple posts back...

xvart.

[xvart]

Noises/Ward List 1.05 (FINAL FINAL)

Andrius

-

Heard Noises

(272), Did Not Ward (272)

AurorusVox

- No Noises (219), Did Not Ward (219)

Baby Spice

- No Noises (308),

Warded MagnaofIllusion

(308)

Benmage

- No Noises (55),

Stalked Fate

(62),

Insanity: Suicidal (D1)

Bowser

- No Noise (35), Did not Ward (35)

El Goosuki

(warded by Furculow)

-

Heard Noises

(67), Did Not Ward (604)

Fate

(stalked by Benmage)

-

Heard Noises

(71), Did Not Ward (71)

Feysal

- No Noise (42), Did not Ward (42)

Furcolow

- No Noise (12),

Warded El Goosuki

(12)

Furpants_Tom

- No Noise (680), Did Not Ward (727)

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

(50), Did not Ward (64)

kunkstar7

-

Heard Noises

(8), Did not Ward (33)

Lost Butterfly

-

Heard Noises

(85), Did not Ward (85)

MagnaofIllusion

(Warded by Baby Spice and xvart)

-

Heard Noises

(7), Did not Ward (7)

Plum

- No Noises (296), Did Not Ward (296)

ReaperCharlie

(Warded by rewq455)

-

Heard Noises

(6), Did not Ward (26)

rewq455

-

Heard Noises

(222),

Warded ReaperCharlie

(137)

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

(69), Did Not Ward (69)

SpyreX

- No Noises (247), Did Not Ward (247)

Super Smash Bros. Fan

- No Noises (346), Did Not Ward (346)

totallynotmafia

- No Noises (318), Did Not Ward (597)

Triglav

- No Noise (63), Did Not Ward (272)

Trilobite

- No Noise (38), Did not Ward (38)

VasudeVa

- No Noise (278), Did not Ward (278)

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

(44), Did Not Ward (567)

Wickedestjr

-

Heard Noises

(233), Did Not Ward (233)

Wingless

- No Noise (41), Did not Ward (41)

xvart

-

Heard Noises

(52),

Warded MagnaofIllusion

(603)

[xvart]

If you are so sure, why are you not defending him with proper arguments? Your word alone does little to influence my opinion of him... though I've not yet really formed my opinion, I will have to read ReaperCharlie's posts to see where this wagon is coming from.

Feysal, meet DGB. DGB, meet Feysal.

This I don't get. El Goosuki said he was 100% sure of ReaperCharlie being town, and I am not certain at all. I said I'd have to read his posts to form my own opinion. If this was some pot-meet-kettle comment, I don't follow.

It was a joke. DGB rarely posts supporting evidence for reads. I was introducing the two of you.

Do we really want Furcolow on grave robbing duty? Someone once said that he would probably commit an insanity infraction sooner or later, and after seeing how he plays, I'm inclined to agree on that. It would only be a matter of time before Furcolow screwed up.

No, we want

his

grave to be

robbed

.

xvart.

[xvart]

With xvart's list complete, this is everybody's last chance to admit they cowered or laundered during N0

Assuming nil returns on that, the only people who should have insanity points at this stage are Cultists who crafted 3 fetishes, potential murderers and benmage.*

I think we are long past the time when it is okay to reclaim information...

I disagree with you on a lot of this

What do you disagree with and why?

The one that isn't signed, mebbe 3 in the hydra's history iirc. It's not deflection, which is a horrible argument by itself as you can basically scream that everytime someone under attack does anything. I'd also totally forgotten the sottyrulez portion of the hydras earlier posting, and I think it's relatively(?) well know zach dislikes scum and lurks when scum for the most part.

Deflection is probably the wrong word, but I can't think of a proper description. It just felt like Mina was fishing for some excuse by trying to pull in another hydra to the argument, and the entire post was directed at hydra dynamics. And I don't see the relevance to Zach disliking being scum and lurking as scum as it is not Zach in the player slot; it is a hydra of three people. Maybe Zach wasn't even planning on posting at all, just throwing thoughts out in their QT. Maybe a ton of different things since the dynamic of a hydra is completely different than one individual.

Why would I try to save Furcolow if I was cult. Why. There is no reason.

Why would I call out Seacore out of the blue if I was cult. Why? Again, no reason.

Why would I do pretty much ANYTHING I've done this game, if I was cult?

If I was cult, I would know how the kill mechanism worked, so I wouldn't ask.

I answered all these questions here.

We're against the RC wagon and pretty much agree with what you said about his “slip” in that we don't think it is very much of one at all. All in all it feels like an opportunistic wagon when we have much better avenues to pursue. Namely Seacore and LB. Do you think Bowser is a better lynch than RC?

I would typically agree about a contradiction involving stating opinions on how hydras should operate; but the fact that he used both opposing views to cast suspicion on someone is the scummiest part about it.

How come it took you so long to claim who you warded, xvart?

1

You were perfectly willing for such a list to be created and kindly asked for this info from everyone.

Heck, you even put the list together yourself. I would think you'd put your own claims on there as well.

2

And if it was

ME

creating that list, I'd have put my claims on there

sooner

rather than later. I would think you would do the same.

Now, I find it odd that, even though you were so willing to create a list, you were reluctant to reveal your actions for last night. In fact, only TWO players in the entire 28-player game (Furpants_Tom and El Goosuki) claimed any actions AFTER you.

3

That's pretty sketchy in and of itself.

The fact that you MADE the list makes it even MORE sketchy.

And what's even

MORE

sketchy, is that you claimed to have warded a target that you KNOW already heard noise (Magna). I mean, it literally took 12 pages after he claimed it for you to claim yours (or at least, that's what I'm estimating by looking at the post numbers I've

bolded

and put in

red

above, which say you claimed it nearly 300 posts after his claim).

"Conspiracy theorist smoking gun": I also find it QUITE convenient that 'B' (for Baby Spice, the other person who warded Magna) comes right at the BEGINNING of the list, and X comes right at the END of the list (yes, it's in alphabetical order. I see that).

4

But that is probably just you choosing the farthest possible ward target from yourself, and hoping that nobody would notice.

5

That nobody would notice you conveniently claiming the exact same ward target as somebody else, who happens to be at the opposite end of the list. After they claimed it. After EVERYONE ELSE HAD ALREADY CLAIMED. Very convenient indeed.

1

At the time of my initial claim there had been no discussion of claiming ward targets. I didn't claim my target because I didn't know if it was better for the town to claim or not claim. I waited so long to claim (as you put it) because nobody ever asked me and the claiming of actual targets didn't ever come up (unless Benmage and Fate had a discussion during their fight about claiming ward targets that I didn't read).

2

I did put my claims on the list when I made it. I just did not claim who I warded.

3

I claimed in my first post; just not my ward target. I claimed my ward target when several people asked and it became obvious to me that I was the only one that didn't claim.

4

Your alphabetical list is extremely conspiracy theory, as I simply copied the player list from the first post.

5

I'd have to be pretty stupid to think that nobody would notice; but if part of your case on me is that I'm exceptionally stupid then your point stands.

I do like how you essentially gave up in your previous post and then throw together this last ditch effort of a scumhunt post on me regarding a topic that has already been discussed to some degree with a bunch of nonsensical "scum made an alphabetical list where he is at the end and the other person is at the beginning." Had you actually tried to put some motivations behind it or why I would keep my ward target a secret or maybe that Baby Spice and I concocted this "great" plan to make sure we got an obvious discrepancy to hide some cult actions, you might have made your point a little more valid.

The fact remains that there are seven cultists and some number of them are likely lying about their actions/noises last night; and you think the best I could come up with to hide my actions was to withhold my ward target until someone at the beginning of the list claimed a target in hopes I wouldn't get noticed? What did the rest of my supposed Cult buddies do to hide their actions? Why did I not do something less obvious like the rest of my alleged buddies? Unless of course your case does actually hinge on me being a total idiot; in which case you're going to have to provide more evidence to back that up.

xvart.

[xvart]

No, we want his grave to be robbed.

@xvart: Why did you make this edit to the original quote?

Because I believe he is going to go Murderer, and I would rather have someone robbing his grave (meaning he's dead) than him robbing any grave (being alive). Depending on how many dead bodies we have tomorrow (or the next day depending on who the dead people are), being a grave robber could be a very good investment of insanities for someone to become a Murderer. It automatically explains their high insanity count and it gives him/her information about who the other Murderers are. Like I said before, anyone who volunteers to be a grave robber is highly suspicious in my opinion, but it also depends on the body count tomorrow. If there is a high body count tomorrow and none (or few) of them are obvious vig targets then a Murderer grave robbing scheme would not work as well as a smaller body count.

No, you're missing the point. My whole post was written to show one thing.

xvart is lying.

Prove it. And explain my motivations for such a lie. What was I trying to accomplish by lying and not producing my supposed Ward target until later? What advantage do I have that I didn't have doing whatever else my alleged Cult buddies did to cover their tracks?

xvart.

[xvart]

Baby Spice (1261) - I like how you are doing the work for RC that he is too lazy to do. It would be especially funny if you and RC were Cult buds and you protected RC with the point by point rebuttal directed at him while he FoSed you and voted townie.

Okay, so there were some opinions stated about claiming Ward targets. Your soft claim comment is wrong; but it would please me if you could clarify the cult motivation for soft claiming a ward target or what benefit that would have if I was busy crafting fetishes or doing something Cultish.

5

I'd have to be pretty stupid to think that nobody would notice; but if part of your case on me is that I'm exceptionally stupid then your point stands.

Or ballsy. I didn't think much of it until these answers to RC's questions. But my main concern is that ¹ is plain wrong and that first Xvart post looks like it contains a soft claim for a ward target.

Yes, I suppose I could be really ballsy; there's nothing I can do to prove otherwise so I'll leave that up to the town's judgment as to whether I have the cajones or not to do something so obvious when there are likely better alternatives out there.

@xvart: why did you ward MoI?

I Warded MoI because of my recent experience with him in Faraday/Seacore's Clash of Kings mafia. He played smart, was able to forecast far into the future, and had an exceptional grip on the game. I thought his smarts and play would be beneficial due to the complex nature of this game.

@Fate

- you disappoint me...

xvart.

[xvart]

RC - I'm assuming you are using the term "analysis" in "wagon analysis" very loosely since you did nothing other than quote the posts with votes and did no actual analysis of the context of the votes nor quoted any previous quotes that might also include justification for voting. I'll just debunk how terrible my vote is in your eyes by the blatant twisting of words.

xvart

Post #1184

:

If I was cult, why wouldn't I just let Furcolow get lynched?

Really? This is easy. ScumRC would want Furcolow alive because in the eventual event of his lynch you could claim an impeccable read on him. Also, him being alive would create a player slot that could very well be detrimental long term, or at least create pages of nonsense and little content to filter through for days. The fact that you have always been so adamant about Furcolow not being lynched has always struck me as odd, because even if you think he is so obvious town, you don't strike me as a player that would be up in arms about keeping him around. You have always struck me as a guy willing to trim the fat, or at least not caring enough about not trimming the fat.

Wait, I thought the Cult could kill each night regardless of stalking.

Fetishes give people extra insanities, and the Ritual kills 'em, right?

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Now this is something I could actually see ScumRC doing as misdirection. Trying to pull a not so fast one on everyone.

Who were you even talking to when you made this comment Reaper?

VOTE: ReaperCharlie

For some reason, thinks me-scum would NOT want furc-town lynched Day 1 (?), but thinks I am the kind of guy to trim the fat and get furc lynched (if I am town). (Yep. This makes

sense

... *borat voice* NOT!) Also thinks my post #1004 asking about cult kills is WIFOMcult trying to look clueless about how cult matters work.

No no no... Twisting my words I can see how you would come to that conclusion; but I did not say you would want to lynch him; I clearly said that you don't strike me as the type of person who would care if he got lynched (or Murdered or Cult killed) and are not the type of person that would be so adamant in defending someone so VI/anti-town.

You also missed my question to you (highlighted in blue above); who were you talking to when you made that comment and what conversation was it in reference to?

b. you all should be voting with me, as i am town

This is gold.

It automatically explains their high insanity count and it gives him/her information about who the other Murderers are.

Doesn't it stop them stalking/murdering?

No; robbing graves is a free action.

Okay, so there were some opinions stated about claiming Ward targets. Your soft claim comment is wrong; but it would please me if you could clarify the cult motivation for soft claiming a ward target or what benefit that would have if I was busy crafting fetishes or doing something Cultish.

Why should I clarify something I didn't say/intimate.

You seem to think that I am Cult and soft claiming a Ward target is something with Cult motivation. If you can't explain the motivation behind Cult soft claiming a Ward then this point of your case is invalid. The burden of proof is on you in this case; not me.

In fact, xvart's final list contained this line, which ReaperCharlie had edited out of his quote:

MagnaofIllusion

(Warded by Baby Spice and xvart)

-

Heard Noises

(7), Did not Ward (7)

xvart wrote right after MoI's name that he had been warded by two players, Baby Spice and himself. Hoping no one would notice, sure.

Solid observation. I can't believe I didn't think of this; but I guess I was too flabbergasted by how ludicrous the accusation was.

xvart.

[xvart]

Seacore and xvart: who is scum when I flip town?

Soooo... you're not denying that your wagon analysis was full of misreps, holes, and twisting of words? I'll worry about your question tomorrow if in the unlikely event you do actually flip town. Now how about answering the questions directed at you?

xvart.

[xvart]

I can't possibly sum up the ENTIRE wagon on me in one post, though I did give it my best shot. So I'm sure I missed something. I grabbed all the posts where the VOTE:REAPER was there, and I put them together. Yeah this has drawbacks, but it took a pretty dang long time and I feel like I was RELATIVELY objective.

I also put together at the bottom of the post a list of all the points against me. Yours were at the bottom. I laughed at yours.

The inherent problem with your defense that instead of going for a couple solid discrediting of some of the bigger points is you scatter shot everyone's case, and you did it pretty poorly. You look to me to be trying to undermine the entire wagon with one swoop and by casting suspicion (albeit weakly) against everyone currently voting for you.

You laughed at my points against you? Funny, because I laughed at your attempt to get a wagon on the only viable person that was voting you. It almost worked, too.

ReaperCharlie

- In post 1104 you said this:

Wait, I thought the Cult could kill each night regardless of stalking.

Fetishes give people extra insanities, and the Ritual kills 'em, right?

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

What was this in reference to? Was this comment just out of the blue or was it directed at someone or some discussion point currently going on?

Also, do you still believe I was trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes by picking the ward target at the complete opposite end of the alphabetical list, even though I wrote in the Noise/Ward List you quoted:

Noises/Ward List 1.05 (FINAL FINAL)

MagnaofIllusion

(Warded by Baby Spice and xvart)

-

Heard Noises

(7), Did not Ward (7)

Miscellaneous thoughts:

+@XVart: Though your counter-argument refuted Reaper's case in its entirety, there's one thing I'm concerned with: Why didn't you claim warding Magna immediately after Baby Spice did? Naturally, our tendency to recognize familiar details would certainly have raised thoughts in yourself about whether or not to claim Warding Magna when you see Baby Spice did so.

I didn't see Baby Spice claim her Ward target. Here and here are two posts where I explain why I didn't claim when Baby Spice claimed.

Noises/Ward List 1.01...

Sexy.

I will comment later on why I want Furcolow alive.

Noises/Ward List 1.03

Mmmm, spicy and delicious.

Not to defend your claims of buddying; and I'm hesitant to say anything in defense of RC, but the record should show that I don't really see these comments as buddying. RC and I have been in a couple of games where similar lists have been made, so that accounts for the banter back and forth regarding the lists, color coding, sexy, etc.

Shazah Furpants-eth! What dost thou thinketh of my caseth to MoI-eth?

At first glance, I like it, a lot. However, I don't really know if that's because he's scum, or just because he's been behaving like a pompous bully. I suspect the latter. Although I think his behaviour has been bad for the town, I don't believe that it's an automatic scumtell, and he has put his finger on a number of genuinely good points over the day. I wouldn't be happy to lynch him today without further evidence.

What are your thoughts on Fate? Have you explicitly stated them somewhere?

xvart.

[xvart]

I'm actually in agreement with DGB that his frustration looks very townish. I can give quotes to show what I mean if someone wants.

DGB said that RC looks townie due to his frustration? Where? In your Cult QT???

I'll get to the rest of the stuff later. About to go the the Roger Waters The Wall concert.

xvart.

[xvart]

My pre-concert plans fell through some unexpected time.

1) xvart's jump onto RC (who should have been one of his allies against us, his top suspect) looked opportunistic as hell. I think him doubling up a ward is a nulltell, even though ReaperCharlie/El Goosuki/Baby Spice are raving about him being confirmed scum for it, but something seems fishy about his claiming not to have noticed all the discussion on warding. I also thought some of his points against Furc and me throughout the game felt false (admittedly, I think OMGUS has somewhat coloured my opinions of VP Baltar, xvart, and Trilobite this game, although they'd rung bells before they attacked us).

xvart, I'd like an answer. What exactly makes you think that Furcolow is significantly more likely to go murderer than anyone else? Do you deny that there was a lot of discussion on the merits of ward claiming before your first post (in fact, it was a huge bulk of the first page)? Also, do you still suspect Furcolow?

Mainly, I don't believe that Percy would not confirm a target choice; I think he is lying about his N0 action; and he is clearly not operating with the town's best interest in mind, rather going alone with his own agenda with no explanation (i.e. not Grave Robbing and then wanting to Grave Rob). Plus, anyone who posts in basically every single post that they are confirmed town is either an ego maniac that thinks they are sooooo cool that due to a mod error supposedly confirming him or just wants to push it for all the town cred it is worth. Saying "I'm confirmed town, so everyone should do what I say" does not instill town thoughts in my mind (although this point might be argued depending on the player, but in this case it stands). There was something else that I just blanked on... I'll post it when I remember.

I don't deny it now that I look back on the quotes of people saying to claim targets. I can't explain it and have no defense; when asked recently I did not remember any significant discussion about claiming Ward targets, but I can't say that about the time of my first post unless I was not paying attention at all while reading, which wasn't the case (since the thread hadn't exploded).

I'd written something up on him a while back because I hated his stances on Furcolow all game, as well as his sheeping of xvart's idea to waste a commune on Furcolow.

I honestly don't think it is a bad idea; but I'll leave that decision up to the people that actually have Occult Books, since I don't. The only people who are going to have insanities at the time N1 Occult Books resolves are people that:

• Cowered N0 (nobody did);
  Laundered N0 (doubtful anyone did);
  Crafted three fetishes N0;
  Stalked N0;
  Cowered N1 (doubtful anyone would do this); and,
  Laundered without being bloody N1.

If I had Occult Books I would be targetting N1 people I thought to be going the Murderer route since I don't think Cult members would be crafting three Fetishes N0 at the cost of one insanity. The benefit to my suggested plan of Booking Fucolow if someone with an Insanity Count of Zero is that they don't lose their books if they don't find someone more Insane than them and it essentially confirms Furcolow as not wanting to go the Murderer route. Anyone with an Insanity Count of Zero that finds someone more insane than them by Booking tonight has most likely found a Murderer in Training N1; otherwise they found a Cult or a stupid townie. Tonight is basically the only night that we can prove beyond a doubt based on Occult Book results that someone is not operating in the town's best interest.

xvart, um...you realize that we wouldn't be discussing reads in a Cult QT anyway, right? Because we'd already know that ReaperCharlie is town?

But even leaving that aside, look at all these statements:

RC is totally 100% pure town.

ReaperCharlie is town. I insist.

[quote="El Goosuki (albeit the Elli head)]
I never played with him before...
And comments like that wristing thing just now look so town >.>

RC is total town.

This is a scum-driven wagon.

Unless you're trying to argue that we're communicating outside the thread because she didn't use the word "frustration" when calling frustrated comments by RC townish, please read the thread before trying to score an easy point.[/quote]
Because ScumDGB would never say in a Scum QT "LULZ @ REAPER, THE OBV TOWN DUE TO FRUSTRATION." And scum never talk about town people and why they look town to them to either exploit or garner support for some scum initiative?

In addition, your slot has never said the Reaper looked frustrated, so how can you apply that town motivation to him and to DGB's town read? How do you know that DBG isn't just pulling another blue sky read and there is actually some unmentioned and undescribed reasoning behind the town read?

None of DGB's post have given any indication of reasoning behind her RC read; and

the most concerning part is that you applied a motivation behind a read that neither you nor DGB ever said in the thread.

I honestly don't think I have the political clout to get you lynched today, but if there is enough interest the only person I am willing to lynch besides RC is you.

xvart.

[xvart]

Firstly, the Xvart vote is good, as he has some things that are hinky. Such as how he can only read two words in a three word sentence.

That said, I think that one has run it's course.

Unvote

lol? Nice jab there, although I don't see the relevance. Your unvote is highly suspicious, especially since you resign the town to not lynching a Cult member today so you want to lynch someone who might go Murderer. Isn't that a problem for tomorrow, regardless of Benmages alignment today? You are, for all practical purposes, set on lynching someone you believe is town, right? And later, you say you don't think Benmage is "town". Do you mean he isn't "town" because he might become a Murderer or do you think he is Cult? What is the discrepancy here?

Mod: Rules clarification - The Murderer rules state:

Special Abilities: Killer - Murderers may take the Murder action more than once.

If someone chooses to Murder tonight but it fails and does not resolve for whatever reason, does that attempted Murder count towards the two required for Psychopathy?

Vote: Seacore

Between him, ReaperCharlie, and xvart, I want to lynch Seacore the most. After thinking about the case some more and reading his defenses, ReaperCharlie is a very bad lynch. Seacore should die instead.

What about his defenses makes him more town? The flailing? The resignation? The misrepping? The uncontextualized analysis?

xvart.

[xvart]

(Preview Edit: If my cult buddies will rez kit me, why did they not WARD me N0 when you promised to stalk me in the sign-up thread?)

This is the most valid reason I've seen for Fate not being Cult.

xvart.

[xvart]

CD2

Username:

xvart

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes.

Did you Ward? If so, who?

Yes; Drippereth (El Gooski)

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

No.

List all of the insanities you currently have:

N/A

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

N/A

Were you murdered?

No.

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result? (Note that these are both poor N1 choices.)

No.

Twitch?

No.

I got a message back from Vi that said Drippereth is not in the game and that my ward was placed on El Gooksi instead. I was trying to see if there would be a confirmation pm back asking me to clarify or if it defaulted to the El Gooksi like Furcolow did. As far as I can tell his story is accurate, so I withdraw all my Murderer accusations from yesterday.

Dispatch: ReaperCharlie

Although, the rules page says there may be a change in phase when a player is dispatched, contrary to what Vi just said.

Clarification, Mods?

xvart.

[xvart]

EBWOP:

LA through Friday night

; I am at a conference and should be able to post at night, but not guaranteed.

xvart.

[xvart]

Some down time before dinner:

I don't think the modkill of RC indicates alignment, although Fate alluded to thinking he was town based on whatever comment was made. However, due to LB's death and their defense of RC late game when his wagon was rising, it is my opinion that we need to make RC dead now. Fate, for all practical matters, can stay Soulless for now.

I skimmed the last half of this page, so if there is anything imperative there, give me a heads up.
I went to rob RC's grave while warding El Goosuki. I sent in that action. Vi said I cannot rob the soulless, so I decided to search for a res kit instead (I wanted RC's in the first place). El goosuki saying they heard noise when I stated I was going to be warding them in the thread gives me 1 of 2 scenarios imo:

1) cult sent fetishes to nearly the entire town (this would explain their lack of a kill)
2) el goosuki is lying cult who expected to be warded

I heard noise

Did you Ward or did you Search?

xvart.

[xvart]

D2 Noises/Ward List 2.00

Noises/Ward List:

Andrius

-

Heard Noises

(1884),

Warded Benmage

(1884)

AurorusVox

-

Heard Noises

(1714), Did Not Ward (1714)

Baby Spice

-

Heard Noises

(1811), Did Not Ward (1811)

Benmage

(warded by Andrius)

-

Heard Noises

(1727),

Stalked Unknown

(1727)

Nicodemus

Bowser

- No Noises (1725), Did Not Ward (1725)

El Goosuki

(Warded by xvart)

-

Heard Noises

(1760),

Investigated xvart

(1760)

Fate

- Modkilled D1

Feysal

-

Heard Noises

(1775), Did Not Ward (1775)

Furcolow

-

Heard Noises

(1798),

Searched for Rez Kit

(1798)

Furpants_Tom

-

Heard Noises

(1818), Did Not Ward (1818)

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

(1719),

Warded Trilobite

(1719)

kunkstar7

-

Heard Noises

(1729), Did Not Ward (1729)

Lost Butterfly

- Killed N1

MagnaofIllusion

-

Heard Noises

(1757), Did Not Ward (1757)

Plum

-

Heard Noises

(1872), Did Not Ward (1872)

ReaperCharlie

- Modkilled D1

Wraith

rewq455

-

Heard Noises

(1747), Did Not Ward (1747)

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

(1814),

Warded Triglav

(1814)

SpyreX

-

Heard Noises

(1774), Did Not Ward (1774)

nopointinactingup

Super Smash Bros. Fan

- No Noises (1718),

Rezzed Wicked

(1718)

totallynotmafia

-

Heard Noises

(1861), Did Not Ward (1861)

Triglav

(Warded by Seacore)

-

Heard Noises

(1837), Did Not Ward (1837)

Trilobite

(Warded by hitorogoshi)

-

Heard Noises

(1709), Did Not Ward (1709)

VasudeVa

- No Noises (1708), Did Not Ward (1708)

VP Baltar

- No Noises (1710), Did Not Ward (1710)

Wickedestjr

-

Heard Noises

(1745), Did Not Ward (1745)

manho

Wingless

-

xvart

-

Heard Noises

(1735),

Warded El Goosuki

(1735)

Final Day 1 Noise/Ward List

Claimed Insanities 2.00

Andrius

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

Benmage

[2] - Suicidal (N0, stalked Fate), Obsession (N1, Stalked Unknown)

Wicked

[1] - Twitchy (N1, killed and rezzed)

Wraith

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

I feel like I missed a claimed insanity somewhere or a claimed action... Please correct me if I missed something or entered something incorrectly.

xvart.

[xvart]

xvart, when i said "i don't need the res kit" here, why do you think I don't need it anymore?
Also, in my original claim post, I stated "I wanted RC's res kit, but Vi didn't let me rob/ward, so ..."

I assumed you Searched instead of Warding (and I didn't even make the connection about the rez kit), but the way it was written is that you decided to Search when denied the rob grave action. I just wanted it clearly stated.

I've decided I'm not graverobbing
I have no insanities, I'd like to keep it that way
I will probably be ritualed anyways

If someone wants to commune me, or admit they communed me, by all means...

I hope you're using it on me, wraith

If you think you are going to get killed by the Cult, then wouldn't it be good for you to be the grave robber? We get some insanities on someone who isn't going to be around?

@xvart

– You chose to ward El Goo over any number of more Pro-Town players (Hito for one) just to test a theory that we put to be 30 or so pages ago thanks to Furc's mod clearance?

Yes. It's something I would not be able to get over if I had not done it; and now that I have, I can move on. Additionally, my original plan was to change my action once I received some sort of confirmation back. If I didn't receive any confirmation back, then I knew Furculow's story was bogus and could run with that. However, after I got confirmation back I thought about it and felt like what I was doing could be considered gaming the system, and decided that I needed to follow through with it.

@ xvart, Seacore claimed an Twitchy Insanity from getting passed a fetish in #1814.

Thanks. I'll put it in once I get manho's claims.

Wait, seriously? I didn't even notice Wicked was murdered and rezz'd. Shit, that means we have two murderers to deal with and one would-be murderer.

@kinkstar, @xvart: opinions on the Benmage claim issue. Now.

I'm considering asking for a group of possibilities for his stalk target. I think it could actually be helpful because if he names some actual Cult in the group then the Cult will have to waste some Rez Kits if they think that might actually be the target. Then, we'll also have the information tomorrow about who Rezzed who on Benmage's target and we can move on from there. Right now I don't think it is a good idea to ask for a specific target for the same reason you don't ask a vig for a specific kill target in any other game. Even if he is going Murderer he can't really get away with killing someone unless they are scummy so even if he is planning on going Murderer his target should align (hopefully) to the town's objective.

xvart.

[xvart]

I'm considering asking for a group of possibilities for his stalk target.

I think it could actually be helpful because if he names some actual Cult in the group then the Cult will have to waste some Rez Kits if they think that might actually be the target

. Then, we'll also have the information tomorrow about who Rezzed who on Benmage's target and we can move on from there. Right now I don't think it is a good idea to ask for a specific target for the same reason you don't ask a vig for a specific kill target in any other game. Even if he is going Murderer he can't really get away with killing someone unless they are scummy so even if he is planning on going Murderer his target should align (hopefully) to the town's objective.

Nevermind that point; rez kits don't get wasted if they are unsuccessful... I'll think about a possible target group a little more, but I don't think he should claim his target.

xvart.

[xvart]

xvart, the cultists would still have to waste some actions, which is a victory of sorts (albeit a minor one)

I think Benmage should offer 4 names. His target + 3 others.

Shit, you're right. The action is wasted but the rez kit is not. I rescind my recension.

xvart.

[xvart]

If you believe Benmage to be town (regardless of Murderer in Training ambitions or lack thereof) it is in the best interest of the town to allow his kill to go through. A Murderer in Training (especially an outted one) would have the same objective now as a town vig.

Vote: El Goosuki

xvart.

[xvart]

Call me a Stalinist control freak if you will, but don't you want some kind of a say in BenMage's vig? Is everyone really happy to let Captain Whacky vote someone off the island given that he's only just putting together a scum list right now? Does anyone genuinely believe this kill is more likely to hit scum than town?

I also don't want a constant discussion about Benmage throughout the rest of the game. We have some scum to hunt. Although, it would be a pretty sweet move if he was Cult to just keep causing mayhem to distract the town day after day with this crap.

xvart.

[xvart]

I have fallen way behind. I just learned that I have Veteran's Day off, so I'll try and get a post up tomorrow.

xvart.

[xvart]

It explains Fatehate/fatestalk/fatelynch.
Why try and claim a kill when he can claim to have stalked the lynched player, or claimed to have changed his mind.

Far fetched but it does explain a lot.

It also begs the question if we were about lynch the person Benmage was going to stalk would he say anything?

Can we lynch Baby Spice today? That would be exciting.

Actually, I'm not opposed to this action, but I would be much more supportive once RC flips and if he flips Cult.

I looked at the OP and I think that everyday we should be claiming if we are bloody or not. Here's why: The only ways you can get bloody are by being resuscitated from a kill successfully, trying to murder a player, or trying to kill a player in the ritual. The only way that a townie can get bloody is if somebody tried to kill them, and that's something we should be claiming. If we claim this everyday, and an investigator with a forensic kit discovers that somebody is bloody that wasn't supposed to be actually was, then that means they are either a cultist or a murderer. This is very important information. So, we should be claiming if we are bloody, but that is basically just claiming that you had been successfully resuscitated. Learning who was successfully resuscitated from a kill is information that doesn't help scum that much, because it is information that they already know (if cult's target was protected they'd know about it, and I believe cult should know who is getting murdered based on who heard noise).

I agree with claiming if we are bloody or not. Even so, if the Cult/Murderer are forced to be claimed bloody at the risk of being outted by someone investigating him/her, then they have to concoct some fabricated story that will hopefully catch up with them some point down the line.

I looked at the OP and I think that everyday we should be claiming if we are bloody or not. Here's why: The only ways you can get bloody are by being resuscitated from a kill successfully, trying to murder a player, or trying to kill a player in the ritual. The only way that a townie can get bloody is if somebody tried to kill them, and that's something we should be claiming. If we claim this everyday, and an investigator with a forensic kit discovers that somebody is bloody that wasn't supposed to be actually was, then that means they are either a cultist or a murderer. This is very important information. So, we should be claiming if we are bloody, but that is basically just claiming that you had been successfully resuscitated. Learning who was successfully resuscitated from a kill is information that doesn't help scum that much, because it is information that they already know (if cult's target was protected they'd know about it, and I believe cult should know who is getting murdered based on who heard noise).

I agree with claiming if we are bloody or not. Even so, if the Cult/Murderer are forced to be claimed bloody at the risk of being outted by someone investigating him/her, then they have to concoct some fabricated story that will hopefully catch up with them some point down the line.

MoI's attacks on Furc are MoI's attempts to

look

like he's scumhunting. Seriously, his attacks are HORRIBLE and his justifications are just as bad.

What about my attacks on Furcolow? Were my reasonings better than MoIs?

I like Wickeds case on Kunkstar, and would switch to that wagon accordingly.

vote: moi

policy lynch
too tough to read him

What's the policy?

Am I the only one who finds Xvart and El Goos targeting each other slightly hinky. Especially with El G choosing to look for something that couldn't be there.

Nope, that's definitely odd. And for xvart, a rather unlucky coincidence, considering his N0 action was to target someone also targeted by Baby Spice.

Xvart's explanation for his Goo action is interesting, but by the end of D1, I'm pretty sure that Furcolow's story was well accepted. Moreover, given that there had already been a mod clarification that pretty much spelt out what would happen in Furcolow's case, I don't know what additional proof you were looking for. So it's difficult to see exactly how your action benefited the town.

Warding people on N0 and N1 is fine; but the unique circumstances of your actions are starting to cause me puzzlement and dismay.

Xvart: Do you think that anyone else was likely to have been targeting El Goosuki last night?

Well, you may be right that it didn't benefit the town, but it benefited me; like I said, it cleared it up for me so I could move on, and if you've played with me before you would know that I have a terrible way of holding on to things forever and tunneling. Also like I said, my original plan was to change my action, but after I got a response from VI I decided that might be considered unethical and gaming the system, which I didn't want to do.

As for your question, I don't know if anyone else would be targeting El Goosuki last night. From my perspective now, maybe a fellow Cultist warding to protect against a Stalker.

Caught up through 87. More later; but I want to add that I'm going to be super disappointed if El Goosuki loses votes while they continue to lurk and not read and not play.

xvart.

[xvart]

@xvart - you need a RC flip for Baby Spice?
What do you expect to discover?
If RC is scum nothing he said can be trusted.
If RC is town then he suspected Baby Spice and may or may not have been correct.
BS is independently scummy of RC.

I agree that BS is independently scummy of RC, but RC flipping Cult would be the icing on the cake for me, as I have a feeling that she was trying to derail his wagon when it was going North.

People who quote instead of scum hunt piss me me off -

- Seacore, 2010

Benmage in particular, I'd like to see some scum reads please.

Yawn.....just pretend I paraphrased someone else's ideas...but be sure to note some added spiffy-ness.

Hell, who are your scum reads?

Where is all the analysis/catch up you promised how many times how long ago?

xvart.

[xvart]

xvart

, why not switch to the kunkstar bandwagon now?

Your feelings about Baby Spice and kunkstar mirror my feelings about kunkstar and El Goosuki.

xvart.

[xvart]

@Wicked,

As I've said, I can kinda see the case on Kunk, but when I look closely at it, it doesn't seem too different from the way many people are playing. Tunneling and sheeping, to me, are less super tells in a game like this.

Actually now that you said this outloud I guess I would have to agree as it does sort of mirror my own play in large games in the early stages. I'll have to consider this as I review kunkstar.

not reading =/= not investigator

There are way too many double negatives in this statement for me to understand what you are referring to.

Yeah, that's certainly the case on you... Still waiting for that opinion of obv. scum AV from you.

VP - can you jog my memory or direct me to the post where it is explained why AV is obvscum?

xvart.

[xvart]

Ooooohhh... Fate had an insanity. That changes a few things.

Dispatch: Fate

More coming later with responses after my last post.

xvart.

[xvart]

Huh? Now I'm confused.

xvart.

[xvart]

This is correct. I am robbing one grave, because I am also killing tonight. And I'd like to rob Fate. Although I'll rob whomever.

Why do you want to rob Fate? Does it matter? Does it matter now that Fate doesn't have whatever item he said he searched for last night?

Much more suspicious is the fact that both Baby Spice and xvart claimed to have warded MoI. It could happen, but it is also a possible false claim for the cult. Originally I thought xvart was more suspect, but my opinion of him has improved since. Baby Spice was the first to claim, but she could have known MoI had been warded due to the failure of a craft fetish action, so she could still be cult.

This is an interesting thought, and it makes me interested in a Baby Spice lynch more today without the RC flip; however, to be honest, the appeal of a Baby Spice lynch would probably lean more to informational despite her scumminess, but I guess either (or both) would be good. Consider me pro Baby Spice lynch if we want to go that route.

Obviously if Fate flips cult, (Which is at least possible now if not likely.) we have to wonder about the people who were so adamant that his flip wasn't necissary.

Actually, if Fate flips Cult I'm going to have a wary eye on Benmage, especially considering his desire to rob Fate's grave.

I'm confused....why does Fate having an insanity make people more eager to dispatch him? It makes me believe him to have been an investigator who lied, and sought to become a murderer.

I think it is possible that some Cult might have Crafted 3 Fetishes if they thought they were unlikely to get Communed early based on play. I'm not sure if Fate falls into this category or not, but the same might be true of Lost Butterfly. However, having an insanity on D1 means he is either Cult or Stalker, so knowing that information is going to be beneficial long term because we can look at player interactions with Fate to see if there are any Cult bags avoiding a desire to lynch Cult Fate.

I'm really not liking Benmage's thoughts on Fate post Insanity information, but I can't quite piece it all together.

xvart.

[xvart]

Oh, I forgot to mention in my last post, but I approve of the plan laid out recently for grave robbing.

xvart.

[xvart]

How have ANY of my night actions been "unreliable"?

You sent in a night action on a player not playing in the game.

I agree, and I'm not worried about his lying so much as I'm worried about his constant changing plans. He's done it both days. How can we trust that 5 hours before Night he's not going to say "actually, I'm planning on stalking somebody" or something akin.

I agree with Seacore. Furculow should not be relied on to help with grave robbing. His mind has changed who knows how many times on whether or not he is going to grave rob, who he is going to grave rob, whether or not he's going to tell us if he is grave robbing, ad nauseum, despite all efforts to make a plan that is going to benefit the town. Who knows if, in the middle of the night, he's going to be like "oh wait, this is a better plan I'm doing something else," just like he has done thus far.

If he wants to rob graves on top of whatever plans we make, power to him.

Grave Rob Roster
RC = Wicked, 2nd Wagonee
Fate = Benmage, 3rd Wagonee
LB = Furcolow, 3rd Wagonee
Lynchee = Furcolow, 2nd Wagonee

Furcolow, would you agree to this roster?

Please for the love of god say

wicked is bloody
he does not need to be on RC
are you fucking dumb?

I don't really understand the point you are making, but just because someone is bloody does not mean they

have

to launder the next night. Shit, if he is nearly confirmed town and bloody, who cares if he launders or not? Might as well put him to use.

It's not proven, just pretty likely. It's possible the cult no killed, but I doubt it in a game this large on the first night. He's like 99% town.

What if cult never killed...and just sought to out play the town. They could do all town-like night actions, and pass fetishes to cause in sanities and never come up bloody or have to lie about night actions, meanwhile looking quite townie and causing mislynches..... HRmmmmm

Yes. And what if the moon is made of cheese?

Ok. Grave rob plans:

I don't like that Seacore is making the plans. I don't consider him anywhere near town enough to be trusted to do that. I want the people making those plans to be the most town we have.
I personally don't want Furcolow anywhere near the robbing. I don't trust him. Sure he's fairly obv investigator, (Note investigator, not town) but I don't trust him not to decide to fake a result, no doubt for what he'd consider good reasons, especially if one of the town robbers ends up being killed by the cult or a murderer.
Finally, I don't want last minute confusion by people throwing idea's around. When it comes time to hammer, I think one of Wickedest, Hito, or VPB (as our towniest in decending order) should set themselves up to be the hammer vote, and that they publish what the graverob plan will be and then hammer. They can decide amongst themselves who does it.

Waited long enough for MoI to answer questions.

Vote MoI

So.... someone who is not confirmed town cannot participate in the planning stages? Do you see some loophole in the plan that could be easily exploited by the Cult? If anything, Cult would want to participate in the planning and make a legitimate plan to appear to be town. Maybe they would include some loophole but that would be pointed out and then (hopefully) pressured to see if it was intentional, what their motives were surrounding that, etc. But the fact that you dismiss it just by saying Seacore isn't town enough without pointing out any flaws or analyzing motives is highly suspect.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Baby Spice

seacore is scared i will pull the rug out from under him and catch my cultist "wagonee" not robbing

his plan is asinine, and the cult can weigh votes to get the 2nd and 3rd wagonee with someone who is "town" enough to get ONE corpse dust.

the best plan is to have me on 2, and another confirmed town on 2 (benmage/wickedest)
who gives a fuck about the wagonees, and splitting it 4 ways?
you're enabling cult to get 1 dust

who says hito isnt cult?
who says vp baltar isnt cult?
the wagonee can just skimp, and they know the town can do it

if you are town, and in this "grave rob plan", you are potentially getting the wool pulled over your eyes.

The point is that if two people are assigned to a grave it both would have to be Cult to get Corpse Dust. Just talking about the odds we aren't likely to put two Cult members on the same grave robbing plan, and if we add in selecting people there won't be any Dust to grab.

xvart.

[xvart]

He added benmage to the town side of the plan. You know, the guy who has already stalked twice and refuses to do what the town wants him too? (He should be on the murderer side or not at all. Why give a potential murderer extra insanities)

Seacore added the two unreliable elements to the plan, on the side that should be reliable. He keeps posting "official" plans and such. I never said he shouldn't venture his opinion, but he shouldn't be one of the ones actually making the plans. That is for true blue , seriously general consensus townies.
I don't care which of the three do it, just that those three do it.

Where did Seacore add Furculow to the plan? And Benmage is only on Seacore's posted list once, so he is still free to do his Murder. Do you think Benmage is Cult? Even if he is going Murderer he still prevents the Cult from getting Corpse Dust because he is not Cult, and has just as much incentive to grave rob as the town does.

I find it hinky that you would vote me though, given that you also think that Furcolow is unreliable. Makes it sound like you want Seacore involved. Especially hinky after Wickedest calls your N0 action a null tell.

I don't see how any of [me voting you, you finding Fuculow unreliable, your impression that I want Seacore involved in the planning, and Wicked calling my N0 action a null tell] are related, so if you wouldn't mind clarifying the relationship I would appreciate it.

Also, Baby Spice - were you saying here that the following was posted on your Kindle?

Well, it was kind of assumed with the two rezz's and no sucessful cult kill. Be an extra-ordinary gambit if three cultists faked something like that.

---

MoI brings up a valid point about Plum. I would support a wagon on her right now (or actually maybe tomorrow since deadline is looming).

xvart.

[xvart]

*twitches*

CD3

Username:

xvart

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

Yes, I stalked last night. I took Twitchy.

List all of the insanities you currently have:

Twitchy

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No

Were you murdered?

No

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result? (Note that these are both poor N1 choices.)

No.

Twitch?

*twitch*

I am also not bloody.

xvart.

[xvart]

Yo xvart, remember this?

Do not chose Stalk or Murder. While stalking and murderering can confirm a town, it’s best to do it on a later day when the murderer wincon is virtually impossible to achieve for someone starting out. All plans regarding stalking and murdering while remaining an Investigator should be mentioned in thread.

Any reason you chose to go off on your own and do it?

Yes. I remember. My blood lust overcame me. But now I'm in a pickle after all the investigator flips because I don't think it is the town's best interest for me to kill my target.

First of all, why did MoI, investigator, have 2 insanties? Was he going murderer?

Same question about why LB and Fate had insanities. But with Fate I can confirm he got occult books, and yet still had an insanity....O.o

Yo Benmage - you never answered why you specifically wanted to rob Fate's grave.

xvart.

[xvart]

I really hate this frankly. It's the perfect cult claim for gaining an insanity. "I stalked, but now I've come to my senses and won't be killing tonight. Sorry about the mess up guys." Perfect way to hide the ritual.

I understand where you are coming through, but let me be clear: I have been given the green light to murder Furculow tonight. He wasn't Warded. But since we have had no Cult flips I am more hesitant to extinguish his life right now.

I also want to remind everyone the last time someone self voted he was not going for the town win condition.

xvart.

[xvart]

D3 Noises/Ward List 3.00

Andrius

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

AurorusVox

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Baby Spice

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Benmage

- No Noises (?), Did Not Ward

Nicodemus

Bowser

-

El Goosuki

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Fate

- Modkilled D1

Feysal

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Furcolow

-

Heard Noises

,

Warded Iecerit

Furpants_Tom

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N2

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

kunkstar7

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Lost Butterfly

- Murdered N1

MagnaofIllusion

- Lynched D2

Plum

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

ReaperCharlie

- Modkilled D1

Wraith

rewq455

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

SpyreX

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

nopointinactingup

Super Smash Bros. Fan

-

totallynotmafia

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Triglav

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Trilobite

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VasudeVa

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Wickedestjr

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Iecerint

manho Wingless

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

xvart

-

Heard Noises

,

Stalked Fuculow

Final Day 1 Noise/Ward List

Final Day 2 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Claimed Insanities 3.00

Andrius

[2] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Obsession (N2, Commune)

Benmage

[4] - Suicidal (N0, stalked Fate), Obsession (N1, Stalked Unknown), Taboo (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Killed SpyreX)

hitorogoshi

[1] - Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

Kunkstar7

[2] - Soloist (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

SpyreX

[1] - Twitchy (N2, Was Killed)

Triglav

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Commune)

VP Balter

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Soloist (N2, Rob Grave)

Wicked

[2] - Twitchy (N1, killed and rezzed), Suicidal (N2, Rob Grave)

Wraith

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

xvart

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Stalked Furculow)

Double check, please. Benmage - can you clarify that you did not hear noises with Percy? Same for whoever the other person was that had a incomplete answer.

xvart.

[xvart]

@xvart - what made you decide to kill furc as opposed to someone who is less likely to be town?

Well the whole debacle and the early hammer yesterday was why I chose to stalk Furculow. And, although it is hypocritical of me to say, but his refusal to work with the town and being all over the place in terms his involvement of the grave robbing plan.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were the person who stalked Lost Butterfly.

I'm not unvoting you. No way. If town really let you live, they deserve to lose.
You can't let investigators murder other investigators. No way.

Unless you think Andy is lying I couldn't have stalked anyone before last night. I was a firm believer that were not going to let you live to endgame anyway and your behavior all day yesterday reinforced my decision to take care of you now. Maybe if you straighten up I won't murder you or someone will rez you.

preview edit: Thanks, Benmage. I've heard noises everynight so I don't know what the pm looks like if you don't hear noises. Furc - I thought you weren't going to move your vote off me?

Also, Furc - why did you ward Iecerint?

xvart.

[xvart]

Oops. I forgot El Goosuki's insanity for Cowering.

xvart.

[xvart]

xvart, i am mad at you, and do not wish to talk to you

Compare how mad you are at me to everyone who was mad at you yesterday when you hammered when there were big bold letters telling everyone not to hammer.

also, i didn't move my vote. i am still down for lynching your lying cultist ass.

So you think I am Cult now?

hai guys im xvart we have lost 5 of our allies, but i'm going to stalk mod confirmed town

If I'm Cult I can't Stalk; but you will recall in one of my first posts that I am hesitant to kill you since everyone has flipped Investigator. If at least one of them was Cult I would have no problem killing you without remorse tonight.

xvart.

[xvart]

I am tired of players like him thinking they know what is best for a town that is dying and in need of a leader.

1

Players like VP Baltar would let us slowly rot away as opposed to actually trying to coordinate ways to confirm each other

2

1

Are you suggesting that you are that leader?

2

You mean like yesterday when you hammered after someone wrote in big bold letters DO NOT HAMMER while everyone was still coordinating and confirming town plans?

Furcolow - why did you not rez last night?

Also, if you are so convinced of your pro-town awesomeness someone will rez you tonight, right?

Xvart. Let's assume you kill Furcolow tonight. What do you think he's flipping, and how many insanities do you think he will have?

He'll probably flip Investigator and I'm guessing his insanity count is what he says it is.

i've got some things to say about the SpyreX situation but I'm waiting until after the final two people have claimed.

xvart.

[xvart]

That day had dragged on forever. I was mad they were leaving me out of the graverobbing plan.
I sent in a rez on plum, but I changed my mind because I am selfish. Where I heard noise, I wanted to be able to be rezzed by someone. You are actually preventing me from being able to feel safe in using a rez kit (on the off chance someone rezzes me), so I will ward Iecerint again.

So what part of DO NOT HAMMER did you not understand or didn't think applied to you? Can you take a reason why you were left out of the grave robbing plans?

Why did you rez Plum?

WTF PLUM I'm not questioning the validity of Feysal's analysis. FEYSAL's ANALYSIS WOULD BE FINE. IF HE DID NOT REZ WICKED. The fact that he Rez Wicked and still didn't consider Wicked to be confirmed town IS A SCUM SLIP. The fact that you are not getting this either imply that you are stubborn headedly trying to defend your scumbuddy Plum.

So did both you and Feysal claim to have rezzed Wicked, right? Did he claim it after you?

---

Does anyone else get the feeling that El Goosuki and SpyreX are Cult busing Cult?

In the meantime ElG is too scummy for scum. I do not see scum playing that card for extra fetishes or whatever. El G is for stalking though. ElG actually smells like the counter-wagon. Not sure what you're sniffing hito but counterwagons happen on obvscum, not Spyscum.

Unless El Goosuki was setup as the fall person so Cult get get a super bus in since they have been operating on a short leash for a long time. It's more than likely only a matter of time before El Goosuki gets lynched and they could get a super bus in for super town credentials, plus get an insanity for greater ritual or whatever.

If no one claims rez on SX, cult 100% rezzed SX. If cult rezzed SX, SX is 90% cult.

Well this is basically what I was going to say after the claims that if no one claims SpyreX's rez then SpyreX is Cult. Cult wouldn't rez anyone that isn't Cult, so I don't agree with the 90% figure.

xvart.

[xvart]

Has anyone gone back to check Furpants' comments about SpyreX to see if Furpants rezzing SpyreX is plausible?

Note that I am at

L-1

on account of suicidal insanity.

I would still like an explanation for this post, considering the vote count with the lynch threshold right above it. I doubt, considering your involvement this game, that you went back and counted the votes on you.

Plum heard noise, after I cross referenced the list, and is one of my favorite pro-town players.

Please detail why Plum is pro-town.

Like I said yesterday I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if I was your stalk target (realistically, it was about a 75% chance in my head that it was one of Wraith or I). So, I would have had to mention this fact and have someone rez me.

NOW, at that point theres really three options:

1.) Have a buddy claim they rezzed me (Good)
2.) Deny your stalk and make you out to be a liar face (Ok)
3.) ??? Rainbow dance party (Bad)

You are forgetting the part where you could have told a Cult buddy to rez you and then decided not to have them claim when the heat came almost immediately after the stalk claim came forward.

i feel like if he's an investigator he shouldn't carry through with it, and if he's mafia he can't because he will be busy performing cultic rituals.

And if I was Cult I physically wouldn't be able to Murder even if I was too busy performing cultic rituals.

xvart: scum right here. Why stalk 99.99% confirmed town? To mask other means of gaining insanities. If he felt this strongly, why not do it D1? <-- answer this please, xvart :\

I considered it, but figured my course of action was better in the long run because it would alleviate my personal suspicions and I could just ignore him and his antics the rest of the game. However, his early hammer and grave rob planning shenanigans yesterday solidified it in my mind that he was a liability. Who knows, if he hadn't hammered early we might have got a check in post from the three stooges and they might have realized that night was about to come and we would be in a whole different boat today.

Here's a deal:
If El Goosuki flips some insanity count other than what they claim I'll go through with my kill.
If Furculow does not start behaving in a more town like manner I'll use my judgment and go through with the kill or not.

So, if someone out there with a rez kit wants to spare Furcolow then he/she might want to consider it, just in case.

xvart.

[xvart]

While the argument that I am a triple-VI and policy-lynch is compelling, there is actually very little to recommend me as cult or murderer.

That's because there is "actually very little" to recommend you as... anything.

that doesnt mean i know plum is pro-town this game, just that i enjoy it when she is

So you picked Plum because you like her when she is pro-town, but warded her despite not knowing she is pro-town over hito who you said was the most pro-town day one (despite him needing to review the mechanics or whatever day two).

hito

- The point is, at this juncture, you also don't want this thing to hang over the rest of the game as a smoke screen for the scum by continuously leaving this hanging over me if I do not kill. I offered a conditional way to go through with the kill, and if I am told do not kill then I don't want to deal with this the rest of the game. It may direct the rezzers, but I'm not convinced that some Investigator rezzers wouldn't have better targets to protect and wouldn't mind seeing a dead Furculow tomorrow. So leave it up to them.

Let me ask you this: if we had flipped one Cult already would you approve of killing him? Two? Never? You really want someone who early hammers when told not to and thinks short days are better in endgame?

lynching xvart is better than letting him kill me even if he is town is what i mean to say, because his night actions have been terrible

I really don't think you want to make the comparison between me and you and which is better to have as "confirmed."

If El G isn't bloody....then he didn't participate in the ritual, and this cower isnt a fakeclaim but this lynch is a huge policy lynch/mislynch.

This is a very valid point. What other insanity would they be covering up? Crafting three fetishes?

xvart.

[xvart]

I was still processing. I looked at FurTom's iso and SpyreX's.

It appears as if Fur only asks Spy 1 question--what he thinks of xvart.

Spy never answers this, and barely contributes for the remainder or the day. Meanwhile Fur is very active for the remainder of the day.

This is compelling. Enough so that I believe that SpyreX's rezzer didn't claim, which means SpyreX is Cult and someone has a falsified insanity somewhere. I'm actually coming around to Benmage's logic here about lynching SpyreX over El Goosuki. When SpyreX flips Cult we'll know there is a falsified insanity elsewhere, and we can debate whether or not that is me or El Goosuki tomorrow if I don't kill Fucolow. I'm going to unvote while I mull this over.

UNVOTE:

*headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk*

My intention wasn't clear. I agreed with you and was asking what other insanity they would be covering up and finding crafting three fetishes an unlikely option.

He early hammers? Boo fuckin' hoo.

So you disagree that if he hadn't early hammered it is less likely we would be in this situation with El Goosuki right now? You know, as everyone was trying to confirm all the actions and make sure everyone understood the plan and he came in and hammered?

The reason I want you to go through with the kill - the only reason - is because I am strongly convinced you are completely full of shit. You are delegating the responsibility to potential rezzers, which OH SO FORTUNATELY will explain tomorrow when you have another insanity and are bloody with a living Furcolow

And Fucolow will be able to confirm being Murdered? How does that work?

Not only that, but your cultbuddies can wait and see if a townie rezzed Furc, and only have to claim a rez on him if no townies do.

If I am Cult, I can't Murder someone. If I can't Murder someone then he won't get a notification that he was saved from being Murdered when he wakes up in the morning. If he doesn't get that notification, how can my supposed Cult buddies claim a rez on him?

xvart.

[xvart]

If the Cult wanted to do that then so be it. Seems like a waste of time and insanities to me, but isn't the flavor received different for Murder and Cult to the saved victim? I thought I remember that from somewhere. Checking Percy's ISO.

xvart.

[xvart]

Nevermind; I was wrong, so scratch that last post (before my last post).

xvart.

[xvart]

Sure? But that would be just a different more retarded path towards #3 and if I'm gonna do that why the jesus would I fight it.

Because maybe a Cult buddy thought they could justify rezzing you and when the yammer jammer yellow hammer came out with Benmages claim it became too risky to claim it. But I'll take a look back at Furpants ISO to see if what you say adds up about him talking about you.

"He is a liability" IS NOT A REASON TO TAKE THIS SHOT JESUS H.

So in a standard game how do you eliminate liabilities?

So anyway, in light of all the ways this can be messed up. I won't kill Furcolow tonight.

xvart.

[xvart]

Because maybe a Cult buddy thought they could justify rezzing you and when the yammer jammer yellow hammer came out with Benmages claim it became too risky to claim it. But I'll take a look back at Furpants ISO to see if what you say adds up about him talking about you.

But... that's exactly what would have happened? [/quote]
I don't know what happened exactly; but it is a possibility. And since you posted a list of possibilities you left that possibility off the list.

Check D1 if you're curious about ISO. We did talk more than HAY YOU LIKE XVART YES NO.

I'm actually going to be checking D2 to see if there is someone he said was town or someone he would have likely rezzed (if he rezzed at all).

xvart.

[xvart]

xvart fake-stalk used to clarify insanities accrued from crafting multiple fetishes anyone?

Furcolow

- yes or no: do you think I am Cult? I am not going to kill you unless you say yes and promise to use your rez kit to prove my guilt.

I also agree that we

could

test xvart with the elab-o-plan on scummy candidates, BUT, can't scum mess with it by warding their buddies (i.e. if we come to a consensus about who to stalk)?

If they want to waste a slew of actions warding each other it's no sweat off my teeth, especially since they can't ward circle.

Vote: El Goosuki

I think you just double hammered (due to suicidal); but I guess it doesn't matter because the lynch count should reflect whether or not they had the lynch count or L-1 lynch count.

xvart.

[xvart]

I forgot that El Goosuki unvoted themselves and must have missed another one.

xvart.

[xvart]

Not sure. I thought we were at L-1 when I was on the wagon, I got off, El Goosuki got on, then got off. I don't know.

preview edit: I probably will be getting on the wagon again, but I want to review Furpants' ISO first. And I want a clear answer from Furcolow.

xvart.

[xvart]

xvart, Furc has already indicated he thinks you're an investigator.

Except in the sentence I posted he was throwing out a theory (that had already been spoken about ad nausem) that I was hiding an insanity; but then he said that maybe I was just stupid or something like that. I don't see the harm in getting a straight, no bull shit, up or down.

xvart.

[xvart]

yes or no.

xvart.

[xvart]

*twitches*

CD4

Username:

xvart

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

I gained two insanities. One from murdering Furculow and the second from receiving a Fetish of myself. I picked Soloist and Obsession.

List all of the insanities you currently have:

Twitchy, Soloist, and Obsession

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No.

Were you murdered?

No.

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

No.

Are you bloody?

Yes.

Twitch?

*twiches*

xvart, why did you follow through on the murder when you strongly implied you were not going to do it unless Furc agreed to the rezz plan?

Because I was going to kill him no matter what, I just had to make sure nobody was going to rez him to mess with the results and bumble everything up today. I had to Murder Furculow because otherwise today was going to be lynching me or wasting time discussing why or how I was hiding insanities. I'm sure the Cult would love to have a whole day of pressing heat on an Investigator and maybe a mislynch. I had no other choice but to kill Furcolow for the benefit of the town. If Furcolow is town, if I murdered him (successfully) then we lost a town. If I didn't Murder him, I was likely going to be lynched today, so the loss of town. Either way, the net damage was the same, and we might have caught a break and lynched Cult and confirmed me.

The only ways I see Furculow getting an insanity last night (provided he was telling the truth yesterday and had zero yesterday) is warding a dead player (wicked would be the only reasonable assumption here, and Furculow said he would ward Iecrint), passed a fetish, crafted three fetishes, robbed a grave (he wasn't assigned to this), or stalked. Or he received a Fetish of himself.

Does the Fetish recipient receive a Fetish at the same time it is passed in terms of action resolution?

If Furculow turns out to be Cult with his insanity I think Plum is likely Cult, too. Furculow's rez choice of Plum makes no sense with his explanation when he had identified people that were pro-town in this game. There are a couple other things that might be especially enlightening at the end of the day yesterday, but I'll wait for his flip before addressing those, or if we collectively decide that Furculow is Cult.

xvart.

[xvart]

I forgot to mention that whoever the cultbag was that passed me a fetish to make me look like flailing scum today with another hidden insanity: I hope you like your wasted action and your additional insanity.

I fully plan to vote SpyreX once everyone has posted.

xvart.

[xvart]

I'll get the noise/ward/insanity list updated tonight.

Does this voting string matter if someone is voting himself? I'm fine robbing two graves tonight but if it would be better for me to launder I can do one. Let me think about my nomination but I think I have in mind who I am going to volunteer for the job.

Somewhat, sort of, maybe V/LA through Saturday.

I will be around and will have the ability to post, but my commitment level will be get exponentially lower as the week progresses because it is finals week and move out week at the University I work out so I am getting swamped as the days progress. I'm going to try and get a good post in tonight with some of the commentary that has occurred.

VOTE: Benmage
UNVOTE: Benmage
VOTE: hitogoroshi
UNVOTE: hitogoroshi
VOTE: Benmage
UNVOTE: Benmage
VOTE: hitogoroshi
UNVOTE: hitogoroshi

xvart.

[xvart]

D4 Noises/Ward List 4.00

Andrius

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

AurorusVox

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Baby Spice

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Benmage

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Nicodemus

Bowser

-

UNKNOWN

El Goosuki

- Lynched D3

Fate

- Modkilled D1

Feysal

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Furcolow

- Murdered N3

Furpants_Tom

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N2

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

kunkstar7

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Lost Butterfly

- Murdered N1

MagnaofIllusion

- Lynched D2

Plum

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

ReaperCharlie

- Modkilled D1

Wraith

rewq455

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

SpyreX

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

nopointinactingup

Super Smash Bros. Fan

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

totallynotmafia

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Triglav

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Trilobite

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VasudeVa

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Wickedestjr

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N3

Iecerint

manho Wingless

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

xvart

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Final Day 1 Noise/Ward List

Final Day 2 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

D4 Claimed Insanities 4.00

Andrius

[3] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Obsession (N2, Commune), Soloist (N3, Commune)

Baby Spice

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Communed Furcolow)

Benmage

[4] - Suicidal (N0, stalked Fate), Obsession (N1, Stalked Unknown), Taboo (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Killed SpyreX)

El Goosuki

[1] - Suicidal (N2, Cower)

hitorogoshi

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave), Soloist (N3, Received Fetish)

Kunkstar7

[2] - Soloist (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

Seacore

[1] - Soloist (N3, Rob Grave)

SpyreX

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Taboo (N2, Taboo - Books), Soloist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N3, Rob Grave)

Triglav

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Commune)

Trilobite

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Rob Grave)

VP Balter

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Soloist (N2, Rob Grave)

Wicked

[2] - Twitchy (N1, killed and rezzed), Suicidal (N2, Rob Grave)

Wraith

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

xvart

[3] - Twitchy (N2, Stalked Furculow), Soloist (N3, Murdered Furcolow), Obsession (N3, Received Fetish)

D3 Noises/Ward List 3.01

Andrius

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

AurorusVox

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Baby Spice

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Benmage

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Nicodemus

Bowser

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

El Goosuki

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Fate

- Modkilled D1

Feysal

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Furcolow

-

Heard Noises

,

Warded Iecerit

Furpants_Tom

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N2

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

kunkstar7

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Lost Butterfly

- Murdered N1

MagnaofIllusion

- Lynched D2

Plum

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

ReaperCharlie

- Modkilled D1

Wraith

rewq455

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

SpyreX

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

nopointinactingup

Super Smash Bros. Fan

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

totallynotmafia

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Triglav

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Trilobite

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VasudeVa

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Wickedestjr

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Iecerint

manho Wingless

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

xvart

-

Heard Noises

,

Stalked Furcolow

Final Day 1 Noise/Ward List

Final Day 2 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

D3 Claimed Insanities 3.01

Andrius

[2] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Obsession (N2, Commune)

Benmage

[4] - Suicidal (N0, stalked Fate), Obsession (N1, Stalked Unknown), Taboo (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Killed SpyreX)

El Goosuki

[1] - Suicidal (N2, Cower)

hitorogoshi

[1] - Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

Kunkstar7

[2] - Soloist (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

SpyreX

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Taboo (N2, Taboo - Books)

Triglav

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Commune)

VP Balter

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Soloist (N2, Rob Grave)

Wicked

[2] - Twitchy (N1, killed and rezzed), Suicidal (N2, Rob Grave)

Wraith

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

xvart

[1] - Twitchy (N2, Stalked Furculow)

[xvart]

Mmm I thought someone said it only needs one to perform the ritual.....so scum could be piling insanities on one individual.

Which brings up an interesting question: when there is only one Cultbag left does he/she automatically do the Greater ritual every night?

How many cycles has Andy claimed to have communed? I know he did me (yesterday?) but anyone else? I can see the point Seacore is making and if he is Cult he can select from the list of people that he knows isn't Cult that would make a good Commune target and know they won't have insanities greater than him.

Okay, so I can see the benefit of lynching SpyreX even if he is an investigator because it sets a precedent whereby cult will be forced to claim their rezzes, and the chances of the person who is ritualised having rezzed somebody who was murdered occurring often down the track is pretty slim (because of course from now on we are going to have to lynch people who are rezzed with no explanation) so unless we are really unlucky it shouldn't harm us too much. Besides, if SpyreX is an investigator he's clearly more worried about trying to guess the scum correctly than defend himself and try to actually be helpful.

Where do you get the idea that the people who are voting for Spy think he is a possible investigator? Not sure I like the tone of this, you seem to be making excuses for something that hasn't happened. The Spy wagon is happening because he was scummy on top of the unclaimed rezz. This is the second time you seem to be simplfying the votes on him.

~Sotty

I was thinking the same thing. The whole "even if he's an investigator" is really strange.

Well, this should come as a surprise to absolutely no one, but I was absent from the game over the whole night phase (visiting my girlfriend, mafia is not a top priority), and so I cowered and took twitchy.

Is anyone bothering/willing to check this against other posts in other games Nico might be in?

Spyre should have his actions tied up with robbing, not be lynched on the back of Benmage's hate.

There is more too it than that.

Also, Xvart should launder and rob, and be checked for blood. Unlike Benmage there is the remote posibility that Xvart is already a murderer and should be watched accordingly.

You are directing a lot of night actions with little substantiate the direction. How could I possibly be a Murderer already? MoI killed LB. Benmage attempted to kill SpyreX, and those are the only two Murders besides my Murder of Furcolow.

I can do a confirmurder on Nico if the town's okay with it.

So you can conveniently be "warded" tonight and it won't go through?

I've been too busy for the past couple days, and haven't had time to double check everything. But, I think everyone but Iecerint is potentially in danger now. Except maybe you and xvart since you were passed fetishes, but if you've heard unexplained noise twice or more, you should also be considered in danger.

I think I was passed a Fetish so that I would claim to have a Fetish and then the town would go "OH MORE UNEXPLAINED INSANITIES. LYNCH NAO." I don't think they had the intention of killing me last night.

[xvart]

@xvart: The town won't be warding me, so as Benmage said, the cult would only be wasting a player warding me.

I was implying that you were Cult and they wouldn't be wasting a ward on you because you wouldn't be killing anyway so you could have an insanity for a town sanctioned reason.

I wouldn't mind having both Plum and Wraith stalk Nico tonight.

So have I been removed from the Grave Rob plan completely so I don't need to nominate someone to scum rob with me?

? I'm cult because I don't have books?

I believe the thinking is that Cult is more likely to misremember their night actions since most of them are probably made up anyway.

[xvart]

I wouldn't mind having both Plum and Wraith stalk Nico tonight.

I would. Then one could take credit for my kill, even if they didn't make it. I realize that I'm a prime vig target, but this is a stupid plan regardless.

My point was I think both Wraith and Plum are scum and neither can actually kill you. And the other point is that declaring kill targets in thread is worthless because A.) Cult can ward that person; B.) Cult can rez that person regardless of if they are cult or town to put us in the same position that we are in currently. If we are going to assign people then we at least need to double dip so if they want to Ward them cool, they can waste their night actions. If they want to waste night actions warding DBG and SpyreX's grave, that's cool, too. The more they have to ward the less people they have to work with to craft fetishes, and pass fetishes. And they keep racking up insanities.

I don't know where you got this idea. You need to nominate a townie to single-rob and scum to double-rob.

I either want Plum or Wraith or Baby Spice to double rob, and for the town rob probably Seacore. I have to be honest I did my town pick based on insanity count and keeping the townie people who have more insanities from getting more. I considered Trilobite as well, but there is something nagging me that I keep forgetting to ask:

I actually thought that xvart was behind the LB kill until we got MoI's flip. His two instantiates fit the stalk and kill of LB perfectly. However, xvart stalking you after he “cleared” you the night before is just really poor. I like him for a cultist very much right now. Seacore's little paragraph about the game state prior to xvart's stalk is a good point. But xvart already used his night one action to “confirm” furc. The stalk makes zero sense.

Sotty - after playing in a hydra with me as scum I find it difficult to believe that you really thought I would do something so obviously not subtle as trying to hide an insanity by false claiming a stalk. Can you walk me through your thought process here? Do you really think that as a Cult member I would have not thought through claiming a Stalk as Cult and the ramifications of it not going through?

No. I'm going to read first. And by read, I mean do some wagon analysis.

Your insanities are listed in the pm you received from Percy. Just copy/paste. There is no town reason not to.

So that's VV's case on you?

Note #5 and how Plum comes back in and, as SpyreX pointed out, contains more words than most of her posts combined.

Giving the accurate information now obviously makes you look more town

, as matching your true insanities and night actions with what NPiAU did will look good, because you simply looked at your pm and got the information (whereas waiting to read makes you look scummier, as you are trying to match your post up to what NPiAU said in thread, a very untown thing to do).

Do you know that Nacho is not town for some reason?

[xvart]

Xvart,

you must also rob grave tonight along with....(laundering). But pick one scum-nom.

Seacore is a good town-nom.

Yeah, I know I am grave robbing and laundering tonight. I'm still narrowing down my scum pick but I wanted to put it out there what I was thinking if anyone wants to weigh in.

[xvart]

I've chosen plum for xvart, but it can easily be swapped out for one of his other noms.
My biggest concern currently is the Andrius/AV rob, but I'm being out voted on this so that's fine.

That's fine with me, I was going to suggest Plum for final pick as I think tying her down with robbing is better than whatever stalking she desires to do. I would like to switch Seacore and Benmage so it is Plum and Benmage and Plum and me. I also would like both of her targets to be someone we believe has equipment (or at least not someone we know has no equipment.

Who posted that action table spanning multiple days from a couple days ago? I'd like to take a look at it but I can't remember who it was.

We would rather see Plum do the stalk.
Plum is hard to read and solid potential scum.

Which is why it is better to tie her down as a robber instead of a stalker so she can't come back and be like "tough luck, I must have been warded."

[xvart]

The action list was mine

Thanks, I'll take a look at it and see what I can extrapolate from the days that came after on who we know will have equipment and who won't and see if that changes my opinions of the grave rob plan as it currently stands; but does anyone have an opinion of switching so Plum is with both Benmage and I instead of the way it currently is. I think this is a necessity but I want to spend a little time thinking about the target graves for her.

[xvart]

I would prefer Plum with Benmage on the El Goosuki grave rob because I'm most concerned about her being Cult.

Also, have we thought ahead to the possible pile of bodies tomorrow?

[xvart]

D4 Noises/Ward List Final

Andrius

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

AurorusVox

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Baby Spice

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Benmage

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Nicodemus

Bowser

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

El Goosuki

- Lynched D3

Fate

- Modkilled D1

Feysal

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Furcolow

- Murdered N3

Furpants_Tom

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N2

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

kunkstar7

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Lost Butterfly

- Murdered N1

MagnaofIllusion

- Lynched D2

Plum

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

ReaperCharlie

- Modkilled D1

Wraith

rewq455

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

SpyreX

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

nopointinactingup

Super Smash Bros. Fan

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

totallynotmafia

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Triglav

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Trilobite

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VasudeVa

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Wickedestjr

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N3

Iecerint

manho Wingless

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

xvart

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Final Day 1 Noise/Ward List

Final Day 2 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 3 Noise/Ward/Insanity List (at the bottom)

D4 Claimed Insanities Final

Andrius

[3] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Obsession (N2, Commune), Soloist (N3, Commune)

Baby Spice

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Communed Furcolow)

Benmage

[4] - Suicidal (N0, stalked Fate), Obsession (N1, Stalked Unknown), Taboo (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Killed SpyreX)

El Goosuki

[1] - Suicidal (N2, Cower)

hitorogoshi

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave), Soloist (N3, Received Fetish)

Nicodemus

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Cower)

Kunkstar7

[2] - Soloist (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

Seacore

[1] - Soloist (N3, Rob Grave)

SpyreX

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Taboo (N2, Taboo - Books), Soloist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N3, Rob Grave)

Triglav

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Commune)

Trilobite

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Rob Grave)

VP Balter

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Soloist (N2, Rob Grave)

Wicked

[2] - Twitchy (N1, killed and rezzed), Suicidal (N2, Rob Grave)

Wraith

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

xvart

[3] - Twitchy (N2, Stalked Furculow), Soloist (N3, Murdered Furcolow), Obsession (N3, Received Fetish)

[xvart]

Oh. I was looking at Feysal's grave rob plan.

[xvart]

I agree to rob Furcolow's grave tonight.

I've recopied Benmages stalk/kill plan below (with the Andrius addition).

N4 Stalk Plan

Our Killers for tonight:

hitorogoshi
VP Baltar
Seacore
Iecerint
Wraith?

Those who need to die:

kunkstar7
Baby Spice
Feysal
Plum
Triglav
AurorusVox
totallynotmafia
Nicodemus(lurker)
Andrius

[xvart]

Also, a quick question, are all the forbidden insanities still forbidden to me?

[xvart]

Why exactly are we waiting for VV? Because he claimed the hammer? Anyone on the not voting list should hammer.

Preview edit: Benmage beat me to it.

[xvart]

Oh wtf. Just looked at the not voting list... Apparently I never voted.

VOTE: SpyreX

[xvart]

CD5

Username:

xvart

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

Compulsion from Robbing Furcolow's grave.

List all of the insanities you currently have:

Twitchy (N2, Stalked Furculow), Soloist (N3, Murdered Furcolow), Obsession (N3, Received Fetish), Compulsion (Rob Grave).

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No.

Were you murdered?

No.

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

No.

Are you bloody?

No.

Did you Stalk? If so, on who, and was it successful?

No.

Twitch?

*twitches*

Vote: xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: xvart

Unvote

[xvart]

Benmage - why would you take Mutilation over Compulsion?

Hito, why did you wait before anouncing who you stalked? I can see no good reason for it.

He was told not to. You were probably too tunneled on saving your Cult self that you missed it (or cared not to bring it up) in your frantic attempt to save yourself.

He got passed a fetish when I did, and I think he was on the stalk list?

The certainty of him being a passed a fetish and the uncertainty of him being on the stalker list is unsettling to me.

Xvart wasn't confirmed. Hell, still isn't.


Since we don't know who LB actually stalked, or for sure that LB stalked, Xvart could right now be a murderer.
The 'clearance' was a comune by someone that Xvart has called scum.

If it was by scum, then Xvart has to be considered a murderer.

If the comune result was wrong, from being faked then Xvart would know it was by scum, hence him calling the comuner scum.

Seriously, did the cult kill the only brains in this game when they took out Wickedest?

We have one probable murderer sneaking into a winning position and one likely murderer lieing about insanities and people are falling for a stupid Winey cult set up.

Way this is going I should have cowered. No-one would be hassling me then.

Another grasping attempt. Triglav communed me at which point I had no insanities and they didn't either so I couldn't have possibly stalked and killed Lost Butterfly. And what do you mean I called the communer scum? You mean Triglav? But wasn't that prior to their commune of me? The evidence here is that she is trying to delay her lynch by going after Murderers because she doesn't want to bus a partner instead (like SpyreX was probably doing with Plum).

I almost stalked someone else, but I switched to BS at the last minute.

Why did you switch to Baby Spice? I'm not asking for any information about your other target because I don't want the Cult to know who you are likely to target next time.

[xvart]

Benmage - why would you take Mutilation over Compulsion?

So I show up bloody.... Big deal..I'm not killing 3 people this game . Compulsion would force me into doing a night action I might not want to do...although I doubt I could get bloody at this point. Noone should be resuscitating me....So I suppose Compulsion will be a logical future pick.

Why wouldn't we want to rez you? You are a pretty good target for Cult unless they are more worried about being stalked.

Methinks that all the people who claimed failed stalks need to stalk again, you know, to prove they actually have the ability to stalk and are not just pretending to have failed.

Then why doesn't everyone Stalk and keep Stalking until they are successful? I think it is plausible that someone that stalked Baby Spice might be lying, but to blanket statement everyone needs to reStalk without considering anything else is a little reckless.

Why the hell wouldn't I check Xvart for blood. I'm the one who pointed out that he could currently be a murderer and that he should be forced to launder/grave rob!

I'm not surprised someone tooled me. Someone even said it had to be done.

Umm...Benmage, have you even murdered anyone yet?

Not successfully, no...Hence me being the most awesomest town, definitely not going murderer route for I'd need 3 successful kills. I tried to kill SpyreX. Who said he was murdered attempted. Who obviously was resuscitated by a fellow cultee, and is now dead. Soo yeah, anything else?

Not true. You attempted to Murder and were successful, and it counts towards the Murder condition. I even asked about it earlier to which Percy responded here. I guess his clarification could only refer to the second attempted Murder but I think it is logical to assume that the first one counts as well.

So if that is true it is plausible that you could be trying to sneak another kill in the midst of the sanctioned killing.

[xvart]

D5 Noises/Ward List 5.00

Andrius

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

AurorusVox

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Baby Spice

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Benmage

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Nicodemus

Bowser

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

El Goosuki

- Lynched D3

Fate

- Modkilled D1

Feysal

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Furcolow

- Murdered N3

Furpants_Tom

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N2

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

kunkstar7

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Lost Butterfly

- Murdered N1

MagnaofIllusion

- Lynched D2

Plum

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

ReaperCharlie

- Modkilled D1

Wraith

rewq455

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N4

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

SpyreX

- Lynched Day 4

nopointinactingup

Super Smash Bros. Fan

-

UNKNOWN

totallynotmafia

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Triglav

-

UNKNOWN

Trilobite

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

VasudeVa

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Wickedestjr

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N3

Iecerint

manho Wingless

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

xvart

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Final Day 1 Noise/Ward List

Final Day 2 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 3 Noise/Ward/Insanity List (at the bottom)

Final Day 4 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

D5 Claimed Insanities 5.00

Andrius

[5] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Obsession (N2, Commune), Soloist (N3, Commune), Hallucination (N4, Commune), Hallucination (N4, Commune)

AurorosVox

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Rob Grave)

Baby Spice

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Communed Furcolow)

Benmage

[7] - Suicidal (N0, stalked Fate), Obsession (N1, Stalked Unknown), Taboo (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Killed SpyreX), Solist (N4, Rob Grave), Marked (N4, Rob Grave),

Compulsion or Mutilation

(N4, Received Fetish)

El Goosuki

[1] - Suicidal (N2, Cower)

Feysal

[1] - Twitchy (N4, Commune)

hitorogoshi

[3] - Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave), Soloist (N3, Received Fetish), Obsession (N4, Stalked)

Iecerint

[1] - Twitchy (N4, Stalk)

Nicodemus

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Cower)

Kunkstar7

[2] - Soloist (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

Plum

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Solist (N4, Rob Grave)

Seacore

[3] - Soloist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalk), Taboo-investigate (N4, Received Fetish)

SpyreX

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Taboo (N2, Taboo - Books), Soloist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N3, Rob Grave)

Triglav

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Commune)

Trilobite

[2] - Twitchy (N3, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Commune)

VP Balter

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Soloist (N2, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalked), Hallucination (N4, Rob Grave)

VasudeVa

[1] - Twitchy (N4, Received Fetish)

Wicked

[2] - Twitchy (N1, killed and rezzed), Suicidal (N2, Rob Grave)

Wraith

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

xvart

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Stalked Furculow), Soloist (N3, Murdered Furcolow), Obsession (N3, Received Fetish), Compulsion (N4, Rob Grave)

[xvart]

Yes Xvart. One only needs to attempt to murder twice regardless of the outcome to BECOME a murderer. But in order to WIN as a murderer you must SUCCESSFULLY kill 3 times. Therefore seeing as I have 0 SUCCESSFUL kills...there's no way in hell I can WIN as a murderer, and therefore it would be THEDUMBESTTHINGEVERFORMETONOWGOMURDERER.

Ahhhh... I forgot about the three successful kills part. I get you now.

So XVART, you Rob Grave Wraith instead of me aiiiiight?

Sure.

Xvart defended himself by saying Triglav communed him. This is not correct. Nontheless Andrius claimed an Xvart commune, at a point when he should have only had one insanity. Xvart couldn't have murdered Lost Butterfly unless he had at least 2 insanities at that point in the game.

Yes, it was Andy. Sorry for that mixup, but you are right, the point still stands.

If Andy is being placed on scum lists, how in hell can his comune of Xvart be trusted?

If Andy does flip Cult then I suppose it really can't, but you are still negating MoI's unexplained and unclaimed insanities and Lost Butterfly's death.

Actually, Baby Spice, the pertinent question is what do you think happened last night which prevented the stalks on you? Kind of surprised you haven't addressed this at all yet.

This is a good question.

[xvart]

VV is bussing a scum partner that won't go anywhere today so he will get town cred tomorrow by pushing so hard on Plum today since she is getting strung up tomorrow.

[xvart]

Sorry for the absense. I am catching up. Am I missing something or are we still waiting until the New Year to lynch Baby Spice?

[xvart]

VOTE: Baby Spice

[xvart]

BTW I'm glad you're confirmed town for once, xvart.

Haha. It's my cross to bear.

[xvart]

lulz. UNVOTE:

Andy - I was joking, but I appreciate your sentiment.

[xvart]

Alright, damnit I'll go back to double rob graving tonight...We'll simply make TNM a stalker/killer, moreover I will become open fodder on the to be killed list.

The last permutation of the Grave Rob plan. The insanity guide from yesterday can be transferred forward. What else is there?

[xvart]

CD6's:

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[area=CD6][b]Username:[/b]
[b]Did you Hear Noise?[/b]
[b]Did you Ward? If so, who?[/b]
[b]Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?[/b]
[b]List all of the insanities you currently have:[/b]
[b]Did you [u]successfully[/u] resuscitate? If so, who?[/b]
[b]Were you murdered?[/b]
[b]Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?[/b]
[b]Are you bloody?[/b]
[b]Did you Stalk? If so, on who, and was it successful?[/b]
[b]Twitch?[/b]
[b]Vote: [Self] [/b] <--- Replace this with your username!
[b]Unvote, Vote: Benmage[/b]
[b]Unvote, Vote: Xvart[/b]
[b]Unvote, Vote: Benmage[/b]
[b]Unvote, Vote: Xvart[/b]
[b]Unvote[/b][/area]

[xvart]

I actually agree with Feysal about xvart stalking over Benmage. I think that's the superior grave rob plan.

I'm fine with double rob duty, but if Benmage is actively trying to get killed for a confirmation of someone else I think it would be best to load him up on insanities before he actually dies since insanity count doesn't matter to a corpse.

Stalk targets should commune, resuscitate, and ward I think.

But not ward the stalkee targets, obviously.

[xvart]

D5 Noises/Ward List 5.01

Andrius

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

AurorusVox

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Baby Spice

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Benmage

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Nicodemus

Bowser

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

El Goosuki

- Lynched D3

Fate

- Modkilled D1

Feysal

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Furcolow

- Murdered N3

Furpants_Tom

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N2

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

kunkstar7

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Lost Butterfly

- Murdered N1

MagnaofIllusion

- Lynched D2

Plum

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

ReaperCharlie

- Modkilled D1

Wraith

rewq455

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N4

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

SpyreX

- Lynched Day 4

nopointinactingup

Super Smash Bros. Fan

-

UNKNOWN

totallynotmafia

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Triglav

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Trilobite

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

VasudeVa

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Wickedestjr

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N3

Iecerint

manho Wingless

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

xvart

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Final Day 1 Noise/Ward List

Final Day 2 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 3 Noise/Ward/Insanity List (at the bottom)

Final Day 4 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

D5 Claimed Insanities 5.01

Andrius

[5] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Obsession (N2, Commune), Soloist (N3, Commune), Hallucination (N4, Commune), Hallucination (N4, Commune)

AurorosVox

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Rob Grave)

Baby Spice

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Communed Furcolow)

Benmage

[7] - Suicidal (N0, stalked Fate), Obsession (N1, Stalked Unknown), Taboo (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Killed SpyreX), Solist (N4, Rob Grave), Marked (N4, Rob Grave),

Compulsion or Mutilation

(N4, Received Fetish)

El Goosuki

[1] - Suicidal (N2, Cower)

Feysal

[1] - Twitchy (N4, Commune)

hitorogoshi

[3] - Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave), Soloist (N3, Received Fetish), Obsession (N4, Stalked)

Iecerint

[1] - Twitchy (N4, Stalk)

Nicodemus

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Cower)

Kunkstar7

[2] - Soloist (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

Plum

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Solist (N4, Rob Grave)

Seacore

[3] - Soloist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalk), Taboo-investigate (N4, Received Fetish)

SpyreX

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Taboo (N2, Taboo - Books), Soloist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N3, Rob Grave)

Triglav

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Commune)

Trilobite

[2] - Twitchy (N3, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Commune)

VP Balter

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Soloist (N2, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalked), Hallucination (N4, Rob Grave)

VasudeVa

[1] - Twitchy (N4, Received Fetish)

Wicked

[2] - Twitchy (N1, killed and rezzed), Suicidal (N2, Rob Grave)

Wraith

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

xvart

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Stalked Furculow), Soloist (N3, Murdered Furcolow), Obsession (N3, Received Fetish), Compulsion (N4, Rob Grave)

We still haven't heard from nopoint since the day began, and we actually haven't heard from him since his CD4...

[xvart]

That's because he was replaced by Nacho.

Oh yeah, duh. Will update tomorrow.

xvart has me down as 5 insanities; listed Hallucination twice.

Will also fix tomorrow.

[xvart]

Ben - did you ever get confirmation on Compusion or Mutilation?

[xvart]

D5 Noises/Ward List FINAL

Andrius

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

AurorusVox

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Baby Spice

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Benmage

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Nicodemus

Bowser

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

El Goosuki

- Lynched D3

Fate

- Modkilled D1

Feysal

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Furcolow

- Murdered N3

Furpants_Tom

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N2

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

kunkstar7

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Lost Butterfly

- Murdered N1

MagnaofIllusion

- Lynched D2

Plum

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

ReaperCharlie

- Modkilled D1

Wraith

rewq455

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N4

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

SpyreX

- Lynched Day 4

Nachomama

nopointinactingup

Super Smash Bros. Fan

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

totallynotmafia

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Triglav

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Trilobite

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

VasudeVa

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Wickedestjr

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N3

Iecerint

manho Wingless

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

xvart

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Final Day 1 Noise/Ward List

Final Day 2 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 3 Noise/Ward/Insanity List (at the bottom)

Final Day 4 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

D5 Claimed Insanities FINAL

Andrius

[4] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Obsession (N2, Commune), Soloist (N3, Commune), Hallucination (N4, Commune)

AurorosVox

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Rob Grave)

Baby Spice

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Communed Furcolow)

Benmage

[7] - Suicidal (N0, stalked Fate), Obsession (N1, Stalked Unknown), Taboo (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Killed SpyreX), Solist (N4, Rob Grave), Marked (N4, Rob Grave), Mutilation (N4, Received Fetish)

El Goosuki

[1] - Suicidal (N2, Cower)

Feysal

[1] - Twitchy (N4, Commune)

hitorogoshi

[3] - Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave), Soloist (N3, Received Fetish), Obsession (N4, Stalked)

Iecerint

[1] - Twitchy (N4, Stalk)

Nicodemus

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Cower)

Kunkstar7

[2] - Soloist (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

Plum

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Solist (N4, Rob Grave)

Seacore

[3] - Soloist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalk), Taboo-investigate (N4, Received Fetish)

SpyreX

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Taboo (N2, Taboo - Books), Soloist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N3, Rob Grave)

Triglav

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Commune)

Trilobite

[2] - Twitchy (N3, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Commune)

VP Balter

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Soloist (N2, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalked), Hallucination (N4, Rob Grave)

VasudeVa

[1] - Twitchy (N4, Received Fetish)

Wicked

[2] - Twitchy (N1, killed and rezzed), Suicidal (N2, Rob Grave)

Wraith

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

xvart

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Stalked Furculow), Soloist (N3, Murdered Furcolow), Obsession (N3, Received Fetish), Compulsion (N4, Rob Grave)

[xvart]

*twitches*

Okay. Before I say anything I want it to be clear that many are going to be pissed I accept that burden. I'm also laughing on the inside thinking about what Baby Spice is going to say in the dead QT. I recognize the position I will be in because it will hard to accept that I am telling the truth or not, especially in light of the suicidal testing proposal.

Two night ago when I laundered I did not take Compulsion like I said. I took Suicidal. I took Suicidal because I was considering trying to go the Murderer route if there was a second round of town sanctioned stalking by stalking/murdering in conjunction with someone else and wanted to leave that door open depending on how the events of yesterday played out. I asked Percy if two people murdered the same target if they would both get credited for it and he said yes. I asked him if he would, keep my question from appearing on the front page and he agreed (

Percy - you can now post the question on the front page

). So I left the door open for that possibility. I figured Suicidal would not hurt the town as long as I did not announce it because nobody would ever have a reason to vote for me again so there would be no quick lynching of me nobody could legitimately vote me. Obviously now it becomes a problem since we are steps from outting Suicidal insanities.

Last night I stalked Benmage. I was going to try and go murderer on the sly by stalking a target that was likely going to be stalked and unlikely to be warded. If nobody claimed to have stalked Benmage today then I wasn't going to go through with it as if he appeared Murdered the next day without a town sanctioned killer I would obviously be busted. My plan was only going to work under the conditions that somebody else stalked/murdered Benmage.

Benmage was warded last night as my stalk failed (and has already been stated). My only window for going Murderer has now closed. I did launder two nights ago as was confirmed by Baby Spice so I did not commit another murder last night. So if you thinik I am lying and stalked a different target last night you can leave me alive for two more nights to help with town voting during the day.

So I did take Compulsion last night as my stalk insanity and will update all the records accordingly.

CD6

Username:

xvart

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

Yes, stalk Benmage (launder)

List all of the insanities you currently have:

twitchy, solist, obsession, suicidal, compulsion

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

N/A

Were you murdered?

No

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

No

Are you bloody?

No

Did you Stalk? If so, on who, and was it successful?

Yes, Benmage; it failed.

Twitch?

*twitches*

Vote: xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote

[xvart]

@xvart... interesting... I'll be looking into all of your claimed actions as soon as I'm on a PC that can easily flick back and forth between pages (I'm got the shortened page issue on this work computer)

N0 - I warded MoI
N1 - I warded El Goosuki
N2 - I stalked Fuculow
N3 - I murdered Furculow
N4 - I laundered and robbed grave
N5 - I stalked Benmage

[xvart]

@xvart, is there any evidence that you didn't kill N1? Considering you've just stated that a murderer would get the success even if another murderer (MOI) did the act?

Andy investigated me N2.

From memory, there isn't any evidence that MoI was warded, because you were one of two claimants on that. Who was the other?
Is there any evidence that El Goosuki was warded N1? By you?

Baby Spice was the other that claimed to have warded MoI N0. The only evidence that El Goosuki was warded that I can see is that they heard noise, but that could have been from Culty stuff.

Actually, you could have tried to kill whoever the ritual target was N1 too, there were two rez claimers on that too.
I'm not saying I think you're already a murderer, the odds of both you and MoI picking LB are long, but I'm going by the book.

Yes, that is possible. And if so, I would still be down two murders and in the same position I am in now in terms of the threat level of ending the game with a Murderer win.

[xvart]

Excellent, I'm satisfied with that xvart. I just couldn't find it all myself because of these stupid browser issues.

No worries. I never even considered going Murderer after Furcolow until we started discussing town sanctioned murders and then my gears started grinding on if I could pull off one murder somehow in the midst of that. I knew I had to launder right afterwards because someone would investigate me that night so I thought I had missed that window but then when the second round came around and Benmage being town and going to get stalked it was perfect since I didn't think the Cult would ward him. Picking anyone else would have been too risky as Cult might be warding those players and I wouldn't know who was stalking whom and if nobody claimed my target I couldn't go through with it. I said I took compulsion after I was clean as if I got investigated again and was bloody it would already be too late since I would have committed my second murder. At that point it was no turning back.

[xvart]

Also, with BS, Spyrex, and Nico as cult, I think we can finally start re-reading looking for some juicy associative tells.

Just looking at the SpyreX flip and his push before his lynch I would be inclined to think that Plum is definitely Cult. His push on her before his lynch really rang to me like "just lynch who I say and it will be Cult and then I'll be town."

I'm half thinking we start assigning kills. Adding people to the list of stalkers as well. Like VV/Nacho/trilo.

I'm inclined to agree since the Cult is now getting to the point where, pending Nico flipping Cult, they will only have four people so limited amount of freedom to be wasting actions/insanities on warding people/rezzing people for WIFOM.

Does xvart have a rezz kit?

No, I have no equipment.

I am slightly upset xvart didn't go murderer..just as a big middlefinger to the cult.

I tried...

[xvart]

One potential problem: if there are any lingering living players (other than Benmage!!!!!!!!!) who have claimed Suicidal.

I have Suicidal.

VOTE: kunkstar

Only the following 6 people should vote for kunkstar:

Nicodemus
Plum
Seacore
Triglav
Trilobite
VasudeVa
VP Baltar

[xvart]

I claimed it today.

[xvart]

Xvart. Any reason you took it from "only the following 8 people vote for Kunk" --> "only the following 6 people vote for Kunk"?

What happened to poor old 7?

It got lost in my congested head...

Only the following 7 people should vote for kunkstar:

Nicodemus
Plum
Seacore
Triglav
Trilobite
VasudeVa
VP Baltar

@Trilo - If Nico is telling the truth about his rezz, then I don't see a reason to lynch him. Are you implying that the scum are gambiting here, i.e. intentionally used a rez kit on their ritual target so gallow-headed Nico could save himself? I mean, I'll admit that's kind of a genius plan, but how realistic is it?

I can agree with this line of thinking. I thought there was more to it with the forgotten claimed insanity or something. Regardless, I don't think the Suicidal testing and discussion of people's virtues needs to be separate, so let us keep going down that route while we go down this route.

[xvart]

Oh yeah, good point VP. We'll have one dead body today, so I'll grave rob that body. I guess I'll search for a piece of equipment tonight as my other action.
UNVOTE:

Also, from an outsider perspective, it could be plausible that I might have successfully stalked last night and could still successfully murder underneath someone else. So if there is a succesful Murder tonight it could be argued that I went the risky route and stalked someone I wasn't sure was going to be stalked to hide under, so I could be a Murderer tomorrow. Then I would stalk the next night and you would have to lynch me the following day as the last possible moment to make sure I couldn't fulfill the murderer win condition. I don't see that as being to bad an option, especially if we lynch two more Cultists in a row (Plum being one of them).

A question I didn't ask Percy which I should have is:

Mods: If someone gets murdered twice in the same night does the front page flavor indicate such or is it the same no matter how many people murdered the dead person?

[xvart]

Okay then, so I need to be lynched on D8 regardless.

I'll have the noise/ward/insanity list updated tonight. Triglav is the only player slot that has not posted their CD5.

[xvart]

D6 Noises/Ward List 6.00

Andrius

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

AurorusVox

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Baby Spice

- Lynched D5

Benmage

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Nicodemus

Bowser

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

El Goosuki

- Lynched D3

Fate

- Modkilled D1

Feysal

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Furcolow

- Murdered N3

Furpants_Tom

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N2

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

kunkstar7

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Lost Butterfly

- Murdered N1

MagnaofIllusion

- Lynched D2

Plum

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

ReaperCharlie

- Modkilled D1

Wraith

rewq455

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N4

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

SpyreX

- Lynched Day 4

Nachomama

nopointinactingup

Super Smash Bros. Fan

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

totallynotmafia

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Triglav

-

UNKNOWN

Trilobite

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VasudeVa

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Wickedestjr

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N3

Iecerint

manho Wingless

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

xvart

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Final Day 1 Noise/Ward List

Final Day 2 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 3 Noise/Ward/Insanity List (at the bottom)

Final Day 4 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 5 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

D6 Claimed Insanities 6.00

Andrius

[4] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Obsession (N2, Commune), Soloist (N3, Commune), Hallucination (N4, Commune)

AurorosVox

[4] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Rob Grave), Solist (N5, Stalked Benmage), Compulsion (N5, Received Fetish)

Baby Spice

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Communed Furcolow)

Benmage

[9] - Suicidal (N0, stalked Fate), Obsession (N1, Stalked SpyreX), Taboo (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Killed SpyreX), Solist (N4, Rob Grave), Marked (N4, Rob Grave), Mutilation (N4, Received Fetish), Compulsion (N5, Rob Grave), Necrophilia (N5, Rob Grave)

El Goosuki

[1] - Suicidal (N2, Cower)

Feysal

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Commune), Solist (N5, Commune)

hitorogoshi

[5] - Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave), Soloist (N3, Received Fetish), Obsession (N4, Stalked Andrius), Compulsion (N5, Stalked), Taboo (N5, Received Fetish)

Iecerint

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Stalked AurorosVox), Taboo (N5, Stalk)

Nicodemus

[2] - Twitchy (N3, Cower), Solist (N5, Received Fetish)

Kunkstar7

[2] - Soloist (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

Plum

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Solist (N4, Rob Grave)

Seacore

[6] -

Twitchy

(N?, Fetish?)

, Soloist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalk), Taboo-investigate (N4, Received Fetish), Halucination (N5, Stalked AurorosVox), Mutilation (N5, Died)

SpyreX

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Taboo (N2, Taboo - Books), Soloist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N3, Rob Grave)

totallynotmafia

[1] - Twitchy (N5, Stalked Unknown)

Triglav

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Communed)

Trilobite

[2] - Twitchy (N3, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Commune)

VP Balter

[5] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Soloist (N2, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalked Andrius), Hallucination (N4, Rob Grave), Compulsion (N5, Stalked)

VasudeVa

[1] - Twitchy (N4, Received Fetish)

Wicked

[2] - Twitchy (N1, killed and rezzed), Suicidal (N2, Rob Grave)

Wraith

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

xvart

[5] - Twitchy (N2, Stalked Furculow), Soloist (N3, Murdered Furcolow), Obsession (N3, Received Fetish), Suicidal (N4, Rob Grave), Compulsion (N5, Stalked Benmage)

[xvart]

Seacore - apparently I had missed your Twitchy from way back when and just caught it now on the official list even though it was on all of your CD#'s. When did you take Twitchy and was it for a Fetish?

[xvart]

Vas is not the only one with low insanities. Why is he of particular interest?

Yes, also Triglav who I have apparently messed up on the noise/insanity list. Going back to check where the discrepancy is.

xvart.

[xvart]

To be fair, the only other benefit to him not claiming is in the off chance I did Stalk last night and my target has not been declared yet, so him keeping it a secret might prevent me from knowing if it would be safe to murder tonight. That should be pretty unlikely as the obvious targets to try and hide a murder under have already been claimed; but there is that. But I agree, TNM needs to claim his target.

[xvart]

Plum - what do you think of this whole TNM situation?

[xvart]

Some questions:
N2 - Did furpants have any equipment?
N2 - Did Trilobyte have Solist?

I like where Trilo is going with this, but it might be more interesting if we start looking at who had Solist and when, because as I started planning out my Murderer path I foresaw a need to manipulate the grave rob plan. Something I never said after I realized it (because I didn't want to throw away my Murderer plans and make them public) was that someone could get away with no robbing if they knew the other person had Solist because people with Solist don't get equipment from Grave Robbing, so that check and balance is moot with Solist in play on a town Grave Robber. Cult could easily not Grave Rob and not be busted for not Grave Robbing if the town person also robbing has Solist.

Why did spyrex scum and seacore scum not want an easy dust?

I've always thought that corpse dust was a little overrated. I clearly don't know all the mechanics about how it works, but is it a use and lose it no matter what, or you only lose it if necessary (to override a rez the Cult didn't know had happened)?

I'll look into the things above a little more tonight.

xvart.

[xvart]

(xiii)

Solist

- You may only have one piece of

Equipment

at a time. If you

Search

, you lose what you have. You cannot gain

Equipment

from

Rob Grave

.

[xvart]

But I guess a pertinent question would be:

Mods - if you had the Solist insanity and you robbed a grave (and nobody else robbed it) would you be notified if there was equipment even if you were unable to pick it up?

[xvart]

Wow, I didn't even realize that about solist....kind of wish I had when we were planning all those grave robs Bad xvart!

Yeah, I didn't realize it until the night before last or yesterday. It was one of those tough calls regarding "playing to win condition" since I had the town win condition but was considering a different one. Perhaps Solist needs to be closer to a forbidden insanity (or the last non-forbidden insanity) in future installments.

So anyways, it really will add a lot of credibility to a case against someone if we see any manipulation in terms of who is robbing with a known Cultist. If either Baby Spice or SpyreX was with someone that didn't have Solist and swapped onto someone that did have Solist then I think that will be quite telling.

[xvart]

Some questions:
N2 - Did furpants have any equipment?
N2 - Did Trilobyte have Solist?

1. We didn't gain any equipment from robbing Furpants.

2. We don't have solist.

Unless he crumbed it Furpants did not say his N0 and N1 actions, so we don't know if he had equipment. Presumably he did since he didn't ward N0 or N1 so he must have done something unless the equipment he used expired when he used it. Regardless, I think SpyreX would have had to actually rob that grave because Furpants did not have Solist either.

[xvart]

It was believed that Spy was rezzed by Furpants the night he died because no one else claimed that rezz. That would mean his kit would have broken and he wouldn't have anything. But yeah more speculation invoving a confirmed cult so who knows.

I think the thinking was that SpyreX was rezzed by a Cult buddy and not Furpants; at least that is what I was thinking, so Furpants rez kit most likely was not used on SpyreX and would have been there to be found during the rob. Either way, Cult would not have known if he was going to rez the person they were going to kill (or successfully use whatever equipment he had) and couldn't risk Trilo getting any possible equipment during the grave rob.

[xvart]

Yeah, it doesn't really matter in the long run unless we try and nail down exactly what SpyreX did each night, which is fruitless. The point is SpyreX was supposed to get two insanities that night and he did; so if Seacore is also Cult then SpyreX got one from robbing grave and another one from doing Cultish stuff, like participating in the ritual or whatever.

Later tonight I'll go back and check the insanity charts and see who got Solist and when off the grave robbing duties and then cross that with Trilo's narrative of Seacore's proposals and switches to see if I can add anything else.

Preview edit:

Sotty - I said it back then but as soon as Benmage claimed to have killed SpyreX he (SpyreX) caught instant heat from a lot of people. My thinking was that Cult would have rezzed SpyreX with the thought that whoever did it (if successful) could justify it based on their reads and what they had said so far in the game. But when all hell broke loose it probably became to risky to claim that rez.

You are forgetting the part where you could have told a Cult buddy to rez you and then decided not to have them claim when the heat came almost immediately after the stalk claim came forward.

And for the context this all happened before/around this post.

[xvart]

Okay. So nobody had Solist for the N2 grave robbing, so no Cult maneuvering could have been done there. The only two people that had Solist for the N3 grave robbing were Kunkstar and VP Balter, neither of which were in position to be manipulated into grave robbing.

[xvart]

So my school just upgraded to this new wireless internet thing and I shouldn't be having a problem but I seem to be. Every five minutes it asks me to reinstall my security key even though I already have. Anyways, my internet access is going to be spotty (hopefully only through tomorrow when the IT office opens up). Anyways, I'll see how far I can get before I get shut down again after I post in my other games.

[xvart]

CultPlum is where to be found? I also don't like Kunkstar's post about if VP is allowed to be Murdered. It seemed pretty universal that that was not going to happen. Yet he is leaving the door open why?

[xvart]

D6 Noises/Ward List FINAL

Andrius

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

AurorusVox

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Baby Spice

- Lynched D5

Benmage

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Nicodemus

Bowser

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

El Goosuki

- Lynched D3

Fate

- Modkilled D1

Feysal

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Furcolow

- Murdered N3

Furpants_Tom

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N2

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

kunkstar7

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Lost Butterfly

- Murdered N1

MagnaofIllusion

- Lynched D2

Plum

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

ReaperCharlie

- Modkilled D1

Wraith

rewq455

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N4

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

SpyreX

- Lynched Day 4

Nachomama

nopointinactingup

Super Smash Bros. Fan

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

totallynotmafia

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Triglav

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Trilobite

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VasudeVa

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Wickedestjr

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N3

Iecerint

manho Wingless

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

xvart

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Final Day 1 Noise/Ward List

Final Day 2 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 3 Noise/Ward/Insanity List (at the bottom)

Final Day 4 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 5 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

D6 Claimed Insanities FINAL

Andrius

[4] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Obsession (N2, Commune), Solist (N3, Commune), Hallucination (N4, Commune)

AurorosVox

[4] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Rob Grave), Solist (N5, Stalked Benmage), Compulsion (N5, Received Fetish)

Baby Spice

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Communed Furcolow)

Benmage

[9] - Suicidal (N0, stalked Fate), Obsession (N1, Stalked SpyreX), Taboo (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Killed SpyreX), Solist (N4, Rob Grave), Marked (N4, Rob Grave), Mutilation (N4, Received Fetish), Compulsion (N5, Rob Grave), Necrophilia (N5, Rob Grave)

El Goosuki

[1] - Suicidal (N2, Cower)

Feysal

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Commune), Solist (N5, Commune)

hitorogoshi

[5] - Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave), Solist (N3, Received Fetish), Obsession (N4, Stalked Andrius), Compulsion (N5, Stalked), Taboo (N5, Received Fetish)

Iecerint

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Stalked AurorosVox), Taboo (N5, Stalk)

Nicodemus

[2] - Twitchy (N3, Cower), Solist (N5, Received Fetish)

Kunkstar7

[2] - Solist (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

Plum

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Solist (N4, Rob Grave)

Seacore

[6] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Solist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalk), Taboo-investigate (N4, Received Fetish), Halucination (N5, Stalked AurorosVox), Mutilation (N5, Died)

SpyreX

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Taboo (N2, Taboo - Books), Solist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N3, Rob Grave)

totallynotmafia

[1] - Twitchy (N5, Stalked Unknown)

Triglav

[1] - Twitchy (N2, Communed)

Trilobite

[2] - Twitchy (N3, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Commune)

VP Balter

[5] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Solist (N2, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalked Andrius), Hallucination (N4, Rob Grave), Compulsion (N5, Stalked)

VasudeVa

[1] - Twitchy (N4, Received Fetish)

Wicked

[2] - Twitchy (N1, killed and rezzed), Suicidal (N2, Rob Grave)

Wraith

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

xvart

[5] - Twitchy (N2, Stalked Furculow), Solist (N3, Murdered Furcolow), Obsession (N3, Received Fetish), Suicidal (N4, Rob Grave), Compulsion (N5, Stalked Benmage)

[xvart]

Plum
Triglav
TNM
VV
Kunkstar (maybe?)

I don't think Chaos is really viable (at least while I am alive) because I won't become bloody for the rest of the game, unless I am killed and rezzed.

And Suicidal isn't really a threat at this time because there are nine (eight with Suicidal) needed for a lynch. With 5 cult members there would need to be three town voters voting for me and that is not happening (at least until two days from now). We shouldn't be wasting stalking on me right now and trying to hit Cult members. If I need to die, I need to die and it doesn't matter if I am lynched or Stalked, so why waste the resources.

Plum should be lynched today. We've got hella numbers right now (especially since only one person went the Murderer route, which I'm sure is built into the game to accommodate more). We lynch Cult and figure out the rest as it happens.

[xvart]

Delayed flips? Whatever. The Cult is bleeding membership right now. Pretty soon they aren't going to the have the time or the desire to be warding people just for the sake of it.

[xvart]

I don't have a rezz kit any longer, so the plans of me rezzing to guarantee my death aren't going to work.

When/how did you get rid of your rez kit and why?

[xvart]

Just for the record, if someone wants to guarantee me four more nights I would be happy to be included on the Stalker list

Plum

- what do you think of the whole TNM situation?

[xvart]

Seacores post looks pretty solid... I'd probably just have put Nacho, Feysal and Triglav in the list of people to be stalked (while they can still be stalkers as well)...And I would have removed Nacho from the list of someone to be stalked.

I think NoPoint was onto something with a Feysal slip...and I was reading back in iso and some past pages play and saw definite connections between Plum/BS/SpyreX and Feysal.

What was the Feysal slip? I'll go back and look at nopoint's ISO but if you have it handy...

[xvart]

Hito - my only concern about the threshold list is hallucination being so low, but I don't see where else it would fall. Also, considering we haven't really busted any scum by noise claims I guess it doesn't hurt either way, other than town cannot accurately target people for rezzing; but that can also be accounted for. Otherwise, I approve the list. What did the numbers mean, just a variable number?

[xvart]

CD7

Username:

xvart

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

No

List all of the insanities you currently have:

twitchy, solist, obsession, suicidal, compulsion

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

N/A

Were you murdered?

No

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

No

Are you bloody?

No

Did you Stalk? If so, on who, and was it successful?

Yes, Benmage; it failed.

Twitch?

*twitches*

Vote: xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote

More coming later.

[xvart]

Oh, I copied yesterday's and didn't edit that part out.

[xvart]

CD7 CORRECTED

Username:

xvart

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

No

List all of the insanities you currently have:

twitchy, solist, obsession, suicidal, compulsion

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

N/A

Were you murdered?

No

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

No

Are you bloody?

No

Did you Stalk? If so, on who, and was it successful?

No.

Twitch?

*twitches*

Vote: xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote

[xvart]

Not to my knowledge.

[xvart]

I searched for forensic tools last night. Andy is the lynch for today. It seems the stalk/rez planning is being effective (at least in the short term) since we caught one scum, and as long as we keep dwindling their numbers it is going to be increasingly difficult for them to interfere with rezzing WIFOM.

[xvart]

Hey xvart - what is the current insanity count?

I'm actually tabulating them right now and will have it up around lunch time.

[xvart]

D7 Noises/Ward List 1.00

Andrius

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

AurorusVox

- Murdered N6

Baby Spice

- Lynched D5

Benmage

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Nicodemus

Bowser

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

El Goosuki

- Lynched D3

Fate

- Modkilled D1

Feysal

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Furcolow

- Murdered N3

Furpants_Tom

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N2

hitorogoshi

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N6

kunkstar7

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Lost Butterfly

- Murdered N1

MagnaofIllusion

- Lynched D2

Plum

- Lynched D6

ReaperCharlie

- Modkilled D1

Wraith

rewq455

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N4

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

SpyreX

- Lynched Day 4

Nachomama

nopointinactingup

Super Smash Bros. Fan

-

UNKNOWN

totallynotmafia

-

UNKNOWN

Triglav

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Trilobite

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VasudeVa

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

, Warded Seacore

Wickedestjr

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N3

Iecerint

manho Wingless

-

???

, Did Not Ward

xvart

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Final Day 1 Noise/Ward List

Final Day 2 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 3 Noise/Ward/Insanity List (at the bottom)

Final Day 4 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 5 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 6 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

D7 Claimed Insanities 1.00

Andrius

[5] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Obsession (N2, Commune), Solist (N3, Commune), Hallucination (N4, Commune), Marked (N6, Rezzed Hito)

AurorosVox

[4] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Rob Grave), Solist (N5, Stalked Benmage), Compulsion (N5, Received Fetish)

Baby Spice

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Communed Furcolow)

Benmage

[10] - Suicidal (N0, stalked Fate), Obsession (N1, Stalked SpyreX), Taboo (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Killed SpyreX), Solist (N4, Rob Grave), Marked (N4, Rob Grave), Mutilation (N4, Received Fetish), Compulsion (N5, Rob Grave), Necrophilia (N5, Rob Grave),

???

(N6, Stalked Kunkstar)

El Goosuki

[1] - Suicidal (N2, Cower)

Feysal

[3] - Twitchy (N4, Commune), Solist (N5, Commune), Compulsion (N6, Stalked)

hitorogoshi

[5] - Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave), Solist (N3, Received Fetish), Obsession (N4, Stalked Andrius), Compulsion (N5, Stalked), Taboo (N5, Received Fetish)

Iecerint

[3] - Twitchy (N4, Stalked AurorosVox), Taboo (N5, Stalk), Solist (N6, Stalked)

Nicodemus

[2] - Twitchy (N3, Cower), Solist (N5, Received Fetish)

Kunkstar7

[2] - Solist (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

Plum

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Solist (N4, Rob Grave)

Seacore

[7] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Solist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalk), Taboo-investigate (N4, Received Fetish), Halucination (N5, Stalked AurorosVox), Mutilation (N5, Died), Compulsion (N6, Murdered AV)

SpyreX

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Taboo (N2, Taboo - Books), Solist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N3, Rob Grave)

totallynotmafia

[1] - Twitchy (N5, Stalked Unknown)

Triglav

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Communed), Obsession (N6, Stalked)

Trilobite

[2] - Twitchy (N3, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Commune)

VP Balter

[6] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Solist (N2, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalked Andrius), Hallucination (N4, Rob Grave), Compulsion (N5, Stalked), Mutilation (N6, Was Rezzed)

VasudeVa

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Received Fetish), Compulsion (N6, Stalked Kunkstar)

Wicked

[2] - Twitchy (N1, killed and rezzed), Suicidal (N2, Rob Grave)

Wraith

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

xvart

[5] - Twitchy (N2, Stalked Furculow), Solist (N3, Murdered Furcolow), Obsession (N3, Received Fetish), Suicidal (N4, Rob Grave), Compulsion (N5, Stalked Benmage)

Benmage - what insanity did you take last night?
Iecerint - Did you confirm with the mods if you heard noises or not last night?

[xvart]

I think the best bet is to organize people into two blocks of voters. The big group of people that pile on and then the smaller, more active group, that will only vote once everyone else has piled on. This will minimize the random aspect while also not making it so strenuous to voting in order. Everyone else does not vote at all. Andy should be lynched before we do this, yes.

[xvart]

Andy - if this wasn't such a mechanics based game I would be happy to have you stick around a while and see who starts getting antsy, wants to lynch you, etc. But unfortunately, we just can't this game.

I'll grave rob two graves, but I'll need some advice on which insanities to take.

[xvart]

I think two people claimed to have stalked Kunkstar; is there anything fishy with that? Also, if given the choice, now that I think about it, I would like to rob only one grave and do some forensic analysis. But if needed I will rob two.

[xvart]

It seems I am to participate in the Suicidal testing too, works for me.

What is this? Everyone who has not claimed to have Suicidal as an insanity is being tested. This screams "Hi. I'm Cult but don't have Suicidal so cool beans."

As an FYI (I'll announce my official V/LA closer to the end of the week) but I will have extremely limited access from this Friday until the following weekend, and will only be able to check in for brief moments. If we delay night until then I will submit my night actions prior to leaving for robbing the AV and hito graves.

[xvart]

VP - what night were supposedly rezzed?

[xvart]

Sorry, Feysal. Misread your post.

VOTE: Andy <3

Andy - just say it. You know you want to.

[xvart]

And I agree to complete my obligation as grave robber.

[xvart]

CD8

Username:

xvart

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions? No

Yes, two from robbing graves. Necrophilia and Mutilation

List all of the insanities you currently have:

Twitchy, Solist, Obsession, Suicidal, Compulsion, Necrophilia, Mutilation

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No

Were you murdered?

No

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

No

Are you bloody? No

Did you Stalk? If so, on who, and was it successful?

No

Twitch? *Twitch*

Vote: xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: xvart

Unvote

Okay, I got paranoid with Benmage's shenanigans at the end of the day yesterday pushing everyone to get rez kits and switching up the grave rob plan last minute, so I started to think that maybe Benmage is Cult and he was trying to grab some Corpse Dust and having everyone have rez kits wouldn't help any with Corpse Dust all over the place. So I deviated from the Grave Rob plan and robbed the same graves he was robbing, which left Hito unrobbed, which I didn't think was a big deal since we already knew he was an investigator due to his dying by an unspeakable being. I took Mutilation since my days are numbered anyway and I didn't want to lose my forensic tools in case I get an opportunity to check some people later in the game, and as the Cult get smaller and smaller they might not have the opportunity to launder with needing other actions to get done.

Also, V/LA through Saturday, February 12.

I will be able to sign on occasionally for limited amounts of time. It shouldn't be a huge deal with the suicidal testing going on, but I wanted to get it out there.

[xvart]

If I had to guess I would think the Cult warded me because they are confident/know that I am not going the Murderer route so they want the town to delay lynching Cult to lynch me.

[xvart]

*twitches* *twitch*.... that's cool xvart....although you having a Res kit would've been better, get one tonight methinks.

I have 10 insanities, the Max... ill claim when not on a phone. I also only robbed Andrius and ninja'd a Res kit last night!!! G-G ice. NJ.

Kunk nacho and trilo are likely scum.

Benmage is lying. I robbed Andrius, too; so he wouldn't have gotten a rez kit from him; plus he has Solist, which won't allow him to get any equipment from robbing. Unless I'm mistaken about what he means by "ninja'ed".

Heading to the airport.

[xvart]

And wtf Benmage, only robbing one grave. You threw a hail mary at the end of yesterday telling me to only rob one grave and no biggie if I didn't see your message because we would only double rob. If I had only robbed Hito like you made such a big deal of doing we wouldn't know AV's alignment right now.

[xvart]

Hello. Quick reading through my games and getting some info out there. Will be back with full posting on Sunday, but will hopefully get another read through before then (although this game isn't a flood of posting).

Benmage needs to die sometime. His whole claim of thinking I would do my job last night was in direct contradiction to what he said before night fell yesterday, when he said at the very least we would double rob the graves. And the whole thing about knowing flips and was sure about alignments does not sit well with me, considering flipping people is absolutely necessary. The reason I didn't care about flipping Hito (?) was because he was killed by Cult and therefore an investigator.

Kunkstar is a good death tonight although I doubt the kill will be successful regardless, so I think the move would be to kill him now.

[xvart]

Vote: Feysal

Will be a little challenged to be unvoting and voting until Saturday night, but I can try and get some accesss tomorrow.

[xvart]

Unvote, Vote: Trilobite

[xvart]

unvote
Vote: nacho

Delayed flights in Dallas, hope I'm not cancelled... who was complaining on this page or the last about suicidal tearing taking forever or being a time suck? Triglav?

[xvart]

If so, is that a paranoid insanity infraction? Nacho hasn't voted Trilobyte today.

[xvart]

Do you have ten insanities Trilo? I realized I need to update the insanity/noise list for today.

[xvart]

Benmage - we are waiting for your vote on Nacho.

[xvart]

I think we were doing it alphabetically, so Nicodemus is next.

Unvote
Vote: Nicodemus

[xvart]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: totallynotmafia

Trilo - I don't know, but I picked Nico because he was next in line after Nacho alphabetically. Who started the previous Suicidal wagons and why did you not start on Iecerint?

[xvart]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Iecerint

[xvart]

That's five.

[xvart]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Triglav

[xvart]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: VV

[xvart]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: VP Baltar

[xvart]

Wasn't N2 the night El Goosuki Cowered? So didn't Grave Rob if that was the night. So Benmage, as Cult, would have Corpse Dust there.

No Dust was gravved N7 when I robbed Andrius and AV. Benmage robbed one or the other.

[xvart]

So reading the first page again makes me think that when Cultists elect to use Corpse Dust it is consumed regardless of whether or not it was necessary for the ritual kill.

Mods: Is this correct or does not needing to use it not consume it?

So can we postulate on whether or not they would have used it (if they had it) on any of their targets that might have been rezzed?

[xvart]

I chose to rob the graves Benmage was supposed to rob because I was getting paranoid about his desire for everyone to get a rez kit; he ended up not robbing who he said he was going to rob (AV) which is why I was the only person to do so.

We'll have two graves to rob tonight with the lynch. I'll rob both of them.

[xvart]

xvart, who do you want to lynch today?

Actually, I'm almost partial to your lynch. Your 5070 seems have a hint of too much knowledge. For some reason I'm getting the feeling that Kunk and Trig are both Cult and VP is facilitation the discussion of their outcomes tomorrow.

Vas, my point was that I DO think we should lynch out of those two today. My argument with you is in saying it absolutely HAS to be one of them. I just don't like chaining lynches like that.

Why are you even considering lynching one or the other if you think it is possible that they both might be town? If your basis for voting either of them is one must be scum then you should be ready to line up their lynches; otherwise, if you aren't willing to go through with it then your justification for voting one or the other is severely flawed. The scum motivation is that if one of the two is actually Cult then you can try and get the wind blowing on the town member for that lynch and then the next day avoid the lynch on your buddy.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: VP Baltar

[xvart]

This makes zero sense. If they are both scum and I was too, why would i want to put Triglav in a position where he has to murder and then cannot?

Also, lynching me over actual scummy people at this juncture shows the level of derp taking place at this point in the game. Ten bucks says that people like Nacho and kunk decide I'm a great lynch too!

Because of rez kits we don't know if the Cult has or not. It's just WIFOM soup. Also, you didn't answer my question about the coin flip decisions on Feysal/Nico and why you wouldn't want to see that through the following day.

Why is everyone who was all super excited about "coin flip is more certain" suddenly leaping on VP and avoiding the elephant in the room that is kunk?

I thought you were going to kill Kunk tonight?

That said, I'm fine with lynching Kunkstar if that is what it comes to. We've had a Cult member handed to us on a plate the last two days so I think it can happen again; and I wouldn't be surprised if Cult is telling Kunk to lurk so they can get a solid bus on him and I think Cult is probably worried that we are going in a different direction than they anticipated in the daychat.

[xvart]

I'm here. I'll see if I can pull together a vote count, but I think at this point Kunkstar is probably the most agreed upon lynch.

[xvart]

unofficial vote count

VP (3) - ttnm, xvart, VV

Feysal (1) - Nacho
Nacho (1) - VP
Trilo (1) - ben

Kunkstar (3) - trilo, Nico, Iecerint

So it looks like it is tied between Kunkstar and VP...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kunkstar

[xvart]

unofficial vote count

VP (3) - ttnm, VV
Feysal (1) - Nacho
Nacho (1) - VP
Trilo (1) - ben

Kunkstar (4) - trilo, Nico, Iecerint, xvart

[xvart]

unofficial vote count

VP (2) - ttnm, VV
Feysal (1) - Nacho
Nacho (1) - VP
Trilo (1) - ben

Kunkstar (4) - trilo, Nico, Iecerint, xvart

[xvart]

Yes, I'm robbing Hito and Seacore.

[xvart]

CD9

Username: xvart
Did you Hear Noise? No
Did you Ward? If so, who? No.
Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions? 2x Rob Grave: Paranoia and Distraction
List all of the insanities you currently have: Twitchy, Solist, Obsession, Suicidal, Compulsion, Necrophilia, Mutilation, Paranoia, Distraction
Did you successfully resuscitate? If so, who? No.
Were you murdered? No.
Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result? No
Are you bloody? No.
Did you Stalk? No
Twitch? *twitch*
Vote: xvart
Unvote, Vote: Benmage
Unvote, Vote: xvart
Unvote, Vote: Benmage
Unvote, Vote: xvart
Unvote

[xvart]

N7: Launder

Why did you Launder N7?

[xvart]

I didn't have time to go through all my PMs this morning.

Night actions:

N0: Search: Rezz Kit
N1: Search: Occult Books

N2: Graverob: ReaperCharlie,

Commune: Trilobite

N3: Search: Forensics Tools

N4: Graverob: Wickedestjr, Stalk: Nicodemous
N5: Stalk: Andrius
N6: Ward: Seacore
N7: Launder

N8: Search: Rezz Kit

You do an awful lot of searching for equipment with very few (one) uses of equipment.

I took it with the intention of never being bloody, but then I was rezzed so it bit me in the ass.

How did you "never intended to be bloody" and searched for a rez kit N1? The side effect of successfully rezzing someone is to get bloody. If your number one priority was to save lives (indicated by getting a rez kit N0) did you really never intend to succeed in successfully rezzing someone?

[xvart]

I'm catching up tomorrow but I want to ask this now: since we know that Corpse Dust is extinguished even if it is not necessary what is the likelihood that each of these people would warrant a Corpse Dust?

Wicked
Wraith
Hito

[xvart]

Vote: Feysal

I still don't get why people prefer Feysal over Nacho considering contributions, but there is almost certainly scum between them and it's worth finding out which.

How does this compare to what you were saying yesterday?

Vas, my point was that I DO think we should lynch out of those two today. My argument with you is in saying it absolutely HAS to be one of them. I just don't like chaining lynches like that.

I still don't see how your argument yesterday makes any sense; and I don't believe you ever justified it (at satisfactorily enough for me to remember). If there is scum between the two of them and we lynch one that flips town what could possibly be the hesitation with lynching the other one the next morning?

I also don't like his turn around and bailing on the likely 50/50 shot of scum lynch for Nacho.

Something about TNM's 5313 really rubs me the wrong way. I keep getting Seacore and TNM confused, but TNM is not confirmed Investigator, right? It just seems a little too strange that everyone except Benmage and I allegedly got fetishes, and the only thing I can think of now is either now that a Cult member has flipped an excessive number of insanities compared to their number of claimed insanities Cult is trying to catch up to their actual insanity count; or (tin foil time) they were all passed fetishes so someone could drop this plan into place.

Cult could have had more than one fetish of a player. As such, lynching Benmage will probably eliminate a town player without changing the suicidal threshold. Killing just him is not wise. It's the same reason I didn't murder him last night.

Then why did you Stalk him in the first place? In the worst case scenario we would have lynched town yesterday, which at the time of your decision to Stalk Benmage would have put us in a worse situation than we are in now. Then you bail because lynching Cult made it better in game state but a poor decision overall?

Scratch my Corpse Dust idea. I was wondering why Cult would not use it when they had it but I guess holding onto it for endgame would be a good idea if they didn't have a convincing way to get some from the Grave Robbing. Using it to kill confirmed Seacore probably was the best bet at that juncture. And since the only two opportunities to get Corpse Dust was early in the game they must have held onto it.

I find Trilo's case very convincing, and Triglav's response very underwhelming. If they were basing their decision on the coin flip aspect they should have stalked the person they were going to lynch, especially in light of how anxious they are to confirm themselves. If it really came down to one or the other they would have lynched who they thought was Cult and announced as such and then we could have lynched outside the threshold instead of creating a way to once again not Murder.

I agree that I would rather have VP lynched today, but I don't think we can afford to let this duality and 50/50 stuff go on any longer.

[xvart]

N0 - I warded MoI
N1 - I warded El Goosuki
N2 - I stalked Fuculow
N3 - I murdered Furculow
N4 - I laundered and robbed grave
N5 - I stalked Benmage
N6 - Search
N7 - Rob Grave x 2
N8 - Rob Grave x 2

[xvart]

I'm down with this plan.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Triglav

[xvart]

Xvart what did you search for N6?

Why do you want to know?

VP - seriously; respond to this:

Vote: Feysal

I still don't get why people prefer Feysal over Nacho considering contributions, but there is almost certainly scum between them and it's worth finding out which.

How does this compare to what you were saying yesterday?

Vas, my point was that I DO think we should lynch out of those two today. My argument with you is in saying it absolutely HAS to be one of them. I just don't like chaining lynches like that.

I still don't see how your argument yesterday makes any sense; and I don't believe you ever justified it (at satisfactorily enough for me to remember). If there is scum between the two of them and we lynch one that flips town what could possibly be the hesitation with lynching the other one the next morning?

This is especially important since now you are locked onto clearing out both Feysal and Nacho with your guarantee.

Or Trig could prove himself and we lynch VP, but whatevs.
We also have always done what town asked.

So what do you suggest about Trilo then? Did you ever answer if you were willing to not Murder tonight? Also, just doing everything town asks does not make a person town. Cult have to at least pretend to do what they are told or else they get some unwanted heat, so frankly I am getting tired of that argument.

[xvart]

For posterity sake:

D8 Noises/Ward List Final

Andrius

- Lynched D7

AurorusVox

- Murdered N6

Baby Spice

- Lynched D5

Benmage

- ?/?

Nicodemus

Bowser

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

El Goosuki

- Lynched D3

Fate

- Modkilled D1

Feysal

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Furcolow

- Murdered N3

Furpants_Tom

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N2

hitorogoshi

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N6

kunkstar7

- Lynched D8

Lost Butterfly

- Murdered N1

MagnaofIllusion

- Lynched D2

Plum

- Lynched D6

ReaperCharlie

- Modkilled D1

Wraith

rewq455

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N4

Seacore

- Killed by Unspeakable Being

SpyreX

- Lynched Day 4

Nachomama

nopointinactingup

Super Smash Bros. Fan

- Heard Noises, Did Not Ward

totallynotmafia

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Triglav

- Heard Noises, Did Not Ward

Trilobite

- Heard Noises, Did Not Ward

VasudeVa

- Destroyed by Unspeakable Being N8

VP Baltar

- Heard Noises, Did Not Ward

Wickedestjr

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N3

Iecerint

manho Wingless

- Heard Noises, Did Not Ward

xvart

- Heard Noises, Did Not Ward

Final Day 1 Noise/Ward List

Final Day 2 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 3 Noise/Ward/Insanity List (at the bottom)

Final Day 4 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 5 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 6 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 7 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

D8 Claimed Insanities Final

Andrius

[5] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Obsession (N2, Commune), Solist (N3, Commune), Hallucination (N4, Commune), Marked (N6, Rezzed Hito)

AurorosVox

[4] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Rob Grave), Solist (N5, Stalked Benmage), Compulsion (N5, Received Fetish)

Baby Spice

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Communed Furcolow)

Benmage

[10] - Suicidal (N0, stalked Fate), Obsession (N1, Stalked SpyreX), Taboo (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Killed SpyreX), Solist (N4, Rob Grave), Marked (N4, Rob Grave), Mutilation (N4, Received Fetish), Compulsion (N5, Rob Grave), Necrophilia (N5, Rob Grave),

???

(N6, Stalked Kunkstar)

El Goosuki

[1] - Suicidal (N2, Cower)

Feysal

[4] - Twitchy (N4, Commune), Solist (N5, Commune), Compulsion (N6, Stalked), Obsession (N7, Stalked)

hitorogoshi

[5] - Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave), Solist (N3, Received Fetish), Obsession (N4, Stalked Andrius), Compulsion (N5, Stalked), Taboo (N5, Received Fetish)

Iecerint

[4] - Twitchy (N4, Stalked AurorosVox), Taboo (N5, Stalk), Solist (N6, Stalked), Hallucination (N7, Stalked)

Nachomamma

[1] - Compulsion (N7, Stalked)

Nicodemus

[3] - Twitchy (N3, Cower), Solist (N5, Received Fetish), Obsession (N7, Cowered)

Kunkstar7

[2] - Solist (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

Plum

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Solist (N4, Rob Grave)

Seacore

[7] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Solist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalk), Taboo-investigate (N4, Received Fetish), Halucination (N5, Stalked AurorosVox), Mutilation (N5, Died), Compulsion (N6, Murdered AV)

SpyreX

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Taboo (N2, Taboo - Books), Solist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N3, Rob Grave)

totallynotmafia

[2] - Twitchy (N5, Stalked Unknown), Obession (N7, Stalked)

Triglav

[3] - Twitchy (N2, Communed), Obsession (N6, Stalked), Compulsion (N7, Stalked)

Trilobite

[2] - Twitchy (N3, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Commune)

VP Balter

[6] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Solist (N2, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalked Andrius), Hallucination (N4, Rob Grave), Compulsion (N5, Stalked), Mutilation (N6, Was Rezzed)

VasudeVa

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Received Fetish), Compulsion (N6, Stalked Kunkstar)

Wicked

[2] - Twitchy (N1, killed and rezzed), Suicidal (N2, Rob Grave)

Wraith

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

xvart

[7] - Twitchy (N2, Stalked Furculow), Solist (N3, Murdered Furcolow), Obsession (N3, Received Fetish), Suicidal (N4, Rob Grave), Compulsion (N5, Stalked Benmage), Necrophilia (N7, Rob Grave), Mutilation (N7, Rob Grave)

Today's list coming in a couple minutes. Also saw a couple things I'll point out after.

[xvart]

D9 Noises/Ward List Final

Andrius

- Lynched D7

AurorusVox

- Murdered N6

Baby Spice

- Lynched D5

Benmage

- ?/?

Nicodemus

Bowser

- Heard Noises, Did Not Ward

El Goosuki

- Lynched D3

Fate

- Modkilled D1

Feysal

- Heard Noises, Did Not Ward

Furcolow

- Murdered N3

Furpants_Tom

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N2

hitorogoshi

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N6

kunkstar7

- Lynched D8

Lost Butterfly

- Murdered N1

MagnaofIllusion

- Lynched D2

Plum

- Lynched D6

ReaperCharlie

- Modkilled D1

Wraith

rewq455

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N4

Seacore

- Destroyed by Unspeakable Being N8

SpyreX

- Lynched Day 4

Nachomama

nopointinactingup

Super Smash Bros. Fan

- Heard Noises, Did Not Ward

totallynotmafia

- Heard Noises, Did Not Ward

Triglav

- Heard Noises, Did Not Ward

Trilobite

- Heard Noises, Did Not Ward

VasudeVa

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N8

VP Baltar

- Heard Noises, Did Not Ward

Wickedestjr

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N3

Iecerint

manho Wingless

- Heard Noises, Did Not Ward

xvart

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Final Day 1 Noise/Ward List

Final Day 2 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 3 Noise/Ward/Insanity List (at the bottom)

Final Day 4 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 5 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 6 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 7 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 8 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

D9 Claimed Insanities Final

Andrius

[5] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Obsession (N2, Commune), Solist (N3, Commune), Hallucination (N4, Commune), Marked (N6, Rezzed Hito)

AurorosVox

[4] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Rob Grave), Solist (N5, Stalked Benmage), Compulsion (N5, Received Fetish)

Baby Spice

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Communed Furcolow)

Benmage

[10] - Suicidal (N0, stalked Fate), Obsession (N1, Stalked SpyreX), Taboo (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Killed SpyreX), Solist (N4, Rob Grave), Marked (N4, Rob Grave), Mutilation (N4, Received Fetish), Compulsion (N5, Rob Grave), Necrophilia (N5, Rob Grave),

???

(N6, Stalked Kunkstar)

El Goosuki

[1] - Suicidal (N2, Cower)

Feysal

[6] - Twitchy (N4, Commune), Solist (N5, Commune), Compulsion (N6, Stalked), Obsession (N7, Stalked), Hallucination (Received Fetish, N8), Marked (Stalked, N8)

hitorogoshi

[5] - Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave), Solist (N3, Received Fetish), Obsession (N4, Stalked Andrius), Compulsion (N5, Stalked), Taboo (N5, Received Fetish)

Iecerint

[5] - Twitchy (N4, Stalked AurorosVox), Taboo (N5, Stalk), Solist (N6, Stalked), Hallucination (N7, Stalked), Obsession (N8, Received Fetish)

Nachomamma

[2] - Compulsion (N7, Stalked), Taboo (Received Fetish, N8)

Nicodemus

[4] - Twitchy (N3, Cower), Solist (N5, Received Fetish), Obsession (N7, Cowered), Compulsion (N8, Received Fetish)

Kunkstar7

[2] - Solist (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

Plum

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Rob Grave), Solist (N4, Rob Grave)

Seacore

[7] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Solist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalk), Taboo-investigate (N4, Received Fetish), Halucination (N5, Stalked AurorosVox), Mutilation (N5, Died), Compulsion (N6, Murdered AV)

SpyreX

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Taboo (N2, Taboo - Books), Solist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N3, Rob Grave)

totallynotmafia

[3] - Twitchy (N5, Stalked Unknown), Obession (N7, Stalked), Hallucination (Received Fetish, N8)

Triglav

[5] - Twitchy (N2, Communed), Obsession (N6, Stalked), Compulsion (N7, Stalked), Solist (Received Fetish, N8), Taboo (Stalked, N8)

Trilobite

[2] - Twitchy (N3, Rob Grave), Taboo (N4, Commune), Compulsion (Received Fetish, N8), Obsession (Stalked, N8)

VP Balter

[7] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Solist (N2, Rob Grave), Obsession (N4, Stalked Andrius), Hallucination (N4, Rob Grave), Compulsion (N5, Stalked), Mutilation (N6, Was Rezzed), Marked (Received Fetish, N8)

VasudeVa

[2] - Twitchy (N4, Received Fetish), Compulsion (N6, Stalked Kunkstar)

Wicked

[2] - Twitchy (N1, killed and rezzed), Suicidal (N2, Rob Grave)

Wraith

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

xvart

[9] - Twitchy (N2, Stalked Furculow), Solist (N3, Murdered Furcolow), Obsession (N3, Received Fetish), Suicidal (N4, Rob Grave), Compulsion (N5, Stalked Benmage), Necrophilia (N7, Rob Grave), Mutilation (N7, Rob Grave), Paranoia (N8, Rob Grave), Distraction (N8, Rob Grave)

[xvart]

Benmage - what did you do last night? Grave rob and what?

I completely forgot yesterday that I had taken Compulsion earlier. I should have remembered because the blood from my rezzing meant I was unable to stalk last night and had to launder. But I'm all clean now and can stalk again. Reading up now.

When you laundered were you forced to launder or did Percy/Vi tell you that the action you submitted was incorrect?

[xvart]

Something else I thought of: would it be possible to go back and check the noises our confirmed Cult have heard and see if we can determine when/what noises were false?

[xvart]

Also, graverob could be xvart one and ben one I guess. I'd really like VP to double rob though.

VP double robbing on top of me is worthless.

I'm robbing VV.

[xvart]

Benmage - list all your night actions please.