Open 276- Friends and Enemies Mafia (OVER)

[Fate]

But there are more people in this thread than you and I.

[Hoopla]

But there are more people in this thread than you and I.

Stop it. You're voting for me too. Don't try and be on my side if you're going to indulge in Nacho's silly fantasy.

[mothrax]

Vote Count the Second:

Flinter (1): Hoopla
Hoopla (5): Flinter, Fate, Nachomamma8, Andrius, parknourie,
Abelcain (1): Elmo
Debonair Danny DiPietro (1): Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting: Nobody Special, Abelcain, Dafish, andrew94, Debonair Danny DiPietro

With 13 alive, it is 7 to lynch

Mod Notes:
Every time I type Albert B. Rampage, it looks like Albert. B Rampage, just sayin...
If You have posted, consider yourself confirmed.
Quicktopics will close at 2:00 pm tomorrow, EST

Hoopla is at L-2

DEADLINE FOR D1 is MONDAY FUBRUARY 7th @ 2:00 PM EST

[Fate]

But there are more people in this thread than you and I.

Stop it. You're voting for me too. Don't try and be on my side if you're going to indulge in Nacho's silly fantasy.

I'm voting you for valid reasons.

This reaction continues to lack.

[Fate]

You being at L-2 guarantees you as non-mason, so don't even try to fakeclaim that by the way.

[Dafish]

I don't like this wagon... not yet.

VOTE: flinter for practicing his bullshit in his first post.

Nacho, how many games have you played with Hoopla? Do you want this lynch to go through, or are you trying to gauge reactions?

Fate, are you going to kiss Nacho's ass all game? Who is on this "list" of people you want to respond to Nacho's post?

Park, are you participating in the policy lynch because you believe in the policy, or because you believe in Nacho?

[Dafish]

Fate, how exactly does this guarantee Hoopla as non-mason? I see more than 2 people not voting Hoopla.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Hoopla

This is a policy lynch, and a serious one at that. When Hoopla plays, she doesn't play the game of mafia; she posts meaningless numbers and stuff about wagons and COASTS the entire time. She does this regardless of alignment, and she does it no matter what alignment she is. She is a very large detriment to whatever faction she finds herself on, and since chances dictate her being on the town side, we have to take care of this lynch before she begins her coasting and it's already far too late. I urge you to rethink the reputation Hoopla's gained on this site based on blind luck and lynch her based on the horrible play you can expect from her.

What evidence do you support this claim with?

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... la&start=0

This game emplifies Hoopla's play perfectly. She is the master of walling the town with meaningless fluffposts. She will do this regardless of alignment, and she will not contribute to the game in any way. She will avoid from doing so with condensending tones and sarcasm. Notice how she responds to my policy proposal in the first place. "Kids say the darndest things", "Nacho and his silly fantasies"... :/. So it begins.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am against this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You being at L-2 guarantees you as non-mason, so don't even try to fakeclaim that by the way.

No it doesn't.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, how many games have you played with Hoopla? Do you want this lynch to go through, or are you trying to gauge reactions?

I've only played a few games with Hoopla, but I've seen what she does to games. And yes, I want this lynch to go through.

[Nachomamma8]

I am against this.

Why, are you interested in the quality of your game being systematically drained down to nothing?

[Nachomamma8]

DEADLINE FOR D1 is MONDAY JANUARY 7th @ 2:00 PM EST

Something's wrong here.
2:00 PM is FAR too inconvenient of a time to end the game bro.

Ooops... should be February, I will fix in OP...

[Andrius]

Deadline is at January 7th, mothrax. You mean February right?

predit: Oh, hi Nacho.

~Yup, fixed in VC and OP

[Hoopla]

Hey Nacho, quick question. You seem pretty hellbent on this policy lynch - I'm kind of surprised you're this serious about it. My question to you is, what was your purpose of entering a game with me? If you dislike how I play, and were going to come in and post this about me, and chase my lynch regardless of alignment, isn't that a little sadistic?

You know what I do when I don't want to play with someone, it's a really crazy thing, I don't join the same game as them. If you're just fishing for reactions, you're not going to get one deeper than this: Your meta on me sucks. I am not difficult to read. I don't rely on numbers or statistics - they are a part of my reads sometimes, but I use this as a base and weigh it for or against general tell-based cases I develop, just like you. A large part of my game resides in reading behavioural tells, and I think I am starting to find a healthy balance between gut/behavioural/logic. Since you neglected to offer the other side of my meta (my town game), I'll help you out and do it for you. Here are my recent town games;

Pick Your Power 4 - Role/Number based theory was present here, I admit, but these mechanics encourage that I feel. I didn't vote for a single townie all game, leading multiple scum lynches.

/Invitational: Pick Your Poison 5 - Another mechanic based game (at least initially). We gave the scum the Janitor and I got myself lynched Day 1 to waste the Janitor's shot on a townie. In my closing post analysing the game, I correctly identified 3/4 scum in a 20p game, based on behavioural tells and some wagon analysis.

Scummies Invitational - was an incredibly overwhelming town win. I'd like to say I was responsible for my fair share of it, though we were helped by some accurate vigging. This game had a different mechanic than usual too, but I definitely wasn't reliant on any statistical analysis - most of my reads were gut and behavioural based, with myself and Ojanen indulging in some wagon analysis too.


~ You make me sound like a VI who is an awfully toxic influence on games. I think you're being unfair, as in my recent games I've been exceedingly accurate. If you would like to read up my other games, they're all catalogued neatly in my wiki - feel free to have a look. Otherwise I can provide some more commentary on my other games if you still think I am awful.

[Fate]

Unvote:
Vote: Andrius

That's all I was fucking asking for.

And obviously if ABR, Hoopla, and Dafish were masons I'd be real fucking upset.

(but they aren't)

[Fate]

Nacho respond to Hoopla as though I had not unvoted.

Go.

[andrew94]

Role PMs Are OUT once I have recieved 8 confirmations the game will officially begin

Which means that scum had an incentive to wait with confirming so they could talk longer together. According to the mod: Nobody Special, Hoopla, Dafish, andrew94 and Albert B. Rampage haven't confirmed, which means that 3 of them are the scum. Now, one is easily found, as giving no reasons and voting a townie are clear evidence that Hoopla is with the mafia. Of the others, one can see that Albert and Dafish are town lurkers. They both didn't make a post yet and haven't voted all day long. I see no clear scum incentive for that, so they must be town. Which means that only andrew and Nobody Special remain as scum.

Since we know that Hoopla is scum, we can see if this theory is right by investigating Hoopla's interactions with Nobody Special and andrew. It is particulary interesting to see that they have never voted for each other, and that if one of them came under suspicion, the others didn't mention a thing about it and simply went on with what they did.

Now, since we know all three scum by now, one has to wonder who to vote. There are two principle's at work here. One says that voting someone simply because the other votes you is a bad thing, as without further reasoning it is possible that the person voting you is town. However, as we know, this is not the case as the argument on Hoopla are indeed damning. On the other hand, one does want to vote the person one thinks is most likely scum, and since we partially deduced that andrew and Nobody Special by knowing that Hoopla was scum, we should be voting Hoopla.

VOTE: Hoopla

Hello everyone! I hope we will have a lot of fun!

?? it doesnt make sense.
firstly i was sleeping.
secondly, the first pm said it was night start, so the scum can talk all night, why would they delay.
it was later that the second pm said it was day start

[andrew94]

First time participating in policy lynch.

Vote: Hoopla

no its not your first time..

vote parknourie

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Hello to DDD, who I haven't played with in a very long time. Hoopla, I will do my best to not turn this into a PYP4 Andy-lurkfest.

Dear lord I hope you’re better now than you were then.

Vote: DDD

because apparently he's only going to post 1 and 2-liners all game long

And despite doing that I was the second best town player (outside Amished) the last time we played Friends and Enemies together; funny that.

I am against this.

This.

[Andrius]

Yeah, I've improved alot since then.
I promise.


(I mean, I thought lurking was a good town strategy back then. )

[andrew94]

^ cough.
i remember THAT game

[Andrius]

You weren't there.
It was a long time ago.
Newbie 930, IIRC.

[andrew94]

no . not THAT ONE

[andrew94]

look, its newbie 1016 = =