Open 276- Friends and Enemies Mafia (OVER)

[Dafish]

I don't like Andrius for posts like these:

I can't care less about anything you say Andrew. I wouldn't have been surprised if the policy lynch was on you.

Me neither, tbh.
But he's probably town.

Nobody Special is probably scum.

Somebody's "probably" going to have my vote for the entire day...

Could these "probably"s not be explained by the fact that we've only had 6 pages of game play? Does Andrius usually have stronger reads in the early stages as town?

[Fate]

There is also little reason for me to explain myself, since the only reason one would need to do that is if they needed to be viewed as town.

This has a serious flaw. Yes, lynches are our destination. However, you cannot expect an entire town to realize the scumminess of a particular player through osmosis. In order to get support for a lynch, it must have a valid basis and an explanation that others can follow. I, and I assume others as well, have a hard time supporting a case with my vote if that case has not been laid out beyond "Player X is scum".[/quote]

There is no flaw. Other's can provide the reasoning if needed. Also, some other players probably see the same things I do and do not need to be convinced someone is scum. In this way none of us are sheep, but all independent bastions of town reading situations the same.

I believe I'm going to take a page out of Kant's book here and suggest that this should be rethought using the categorical imperative. Pro town play is what, if everyone does it, will result in best environment for scumhunting. What you are describing is a style of play that is inherently anti-town, and if everyone followed it, this game would devolve into an essentially random game of probabilities.

Saying that you don't need to be viewed as town is both wrong and will not help us in the long run. If you continue to vote and call people scummy without explanation, then you become infallible. This style is for scum only, and I cannot see any pro-town motivation behind it.

You can continue to get reactions in whatever style you want. You can yell in caps for the rest of the game for all I care. However, when you vote or express suspicion, you need to provide some sort of support.

As I said, I do not need to be viewed as town for reasons that should be obvious to anyone paying attention.

Use your head and think.

I'm not asking anyone else to follow my style of play. Not that anyone could, anyway. This is not a mountainous game, and as such, pro-town play should not be followed black and white the same by every player, nor will the definition of what pro-town play is be agreed upon.

For instance the play I am describing is not inherently anti-town at all, and I'm sure others would agree/disagree with that.

[Hoopla]

players like Fate, DGB and ABR have a far richer history of failed or questionable gambits, yet you don't deem their play antitown.

lol. Nacho has requested your list and I don't see one.

Nacho doesn't know if he's basing my "anti-town" play on number/statistical reliance or poor gambits yet. Once he decides what he's going to use for his policy argument, I can tell you which is worse.

I think I have a more positive town influence than most if not all those players on that list, though. Maybe a couple of years, less so, because I was lynched often, but not now.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody Special

[Hoopla]

Actually, a more serious vote;

UNVOTE:
VOTE: parknourie

~~

Fate, what do you think about parknourie's ISO so far, and this post in particular;

I'm back...and find myself in a really confusing situation:
I'm still Positive on Andrew's guilt than any other player in this game. Contributing virtually nothing, yet with short-ass posts he is still around. Recently? He seems to be lurking the hell out of this room.
I'm staying put with my vote on Andrew for the moment.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Fate, why are you bothering to explain your attitude; surely if you really didn't care about appearing town you wouldn't bother explaining yourself especially to a single newer player who is unlikely to be able to do anything anyways.

[mothrax]

Vote Count the Sixth:

Andrius (3): Fate, Nachomamma8, Hoopla, Albert B. Rampage
Nobody Special (2): Dafish, Elmo
Hoopla (1): Andrius
parknourie (2): andrew94, Hoopla
Nachomamma8 (1): Flinter
andrew94 (1): parknourie


Not Voting: Nobody Special, Abelcain, Debonair Danny DiPietro

With 13 alive, it is 7 to lynch

Mod Notes:
prodding Abelcain and flinter
The bears are losing!

DEADLINE FOR D1 is MONDAY FUBRUARY 7th @ 2:00 PM EST

[Albert B. Rampage]

Could these "probably"s not be explained by the fact that we've only had 6 pages of game play? Does Andrius usually have stronger reads in the early stages as town?

No. The earlier it is, the less you know. Nobody Special is probably scum, for example, is too much of an affirmative statement for this early.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think I have a more positive town influence than most

if not all

those players on that list, though.

You must be joking.

[Nobody Special]

players like Fate, DGB and ABR have a far richer history of failed or questionable gambits, yet you don't deem their play antitown.

lol. Nacho has requested your list and I don't see one.

Nacho doesn't know if he's basing my "anti-town" play on number/statistical reliance or poor gambits yet. Once he decides what he's going to use for his policy argument, I can tell you which is worse.

I think I have a more positive town influence than most if not all those players on that list, though. Maybe a couple of years, less so, because I was lynched often, but not now.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody Special

This baffles me. (I know, the vote changes in the very next post, but still.)

Vote: Hoopla

[andrew94]

wth is 'postive town influencce?'
if you look at parks iso he just concentrates on me

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Hoopla

[Fate]

What the hell guys.

ABR I said NS WAS scum which is much stronger language.

@whoever: as I said I explained myself because he was polite

[Dafish]

Nobody Special, what about it baffles you?

ABR, are you voting Hoopla for the assertion you quoted in #157?

[Nachomamma8]

V/LA lasting longer than expected, but I will make a post in here tomorrow.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR I said NS WAS scum which is much stronger language.

You've made quite clear why you're using strong language in your response to Dafish.

ABR, are you voting Hoopla for the assertion you quoted in #157?

Only partially.

[parknourie]

This is ridiculous. How come no-one notices Andrew's useless posts and his lurk-age?

[Fate]

Actually, a more serious vote;

UNVOTE:
VOTE: parknourie

~~

Fate, what do you think about parknourie's ISO so far, and this post in particular;

I'm back...and find myself in a really confusing situation:
I'm still Positive on Andrew's guilt than any other player in this game. Contributing virtually nothing, yet with short-ass posts he is still around. Recently? He seems to be lurking the hell out of this room.
I'm staying put with my vote on Andrew for the moment.

I could care less about parknourie when Andrius and NS scum are in my sights, and the Andrius wagon SHOULD've been nearing completion.

I'm not at all worried by some nobody scum who'll get nailed D2 after I'm gone.

[flinter]

I'm very tempted to follow Hoopla's vote on Park. Park's tunneling seems quite unnatural to me. However, I think Nacho's lurking is just a little too convenient for him, and I'll keep my vote there because nothing has changed there. NS's his play would warrant a policy lynch, I guess... But maybe he'll improve later!

And I'm sorry Fate, but I do not see myself supporting an Andrius lynch. I have never understood the start of the wagon.

[Fate]

Flinter if you had sheeped me last game what would've happened.

Andrius is all but claimed scum at this point.

[Hoopla]

I'm very tempted to follow Hoopla's vote on Park. Park's tunneling seems quite unnatural to me. However, I think Nacho's lurking is just a little too convenient for him, and I'll keep my vote there because nothing has changed there. NS's his play would warrant a policy lynch, I guess... But maybe he'll improve later!

Do it little flinter buddy, since Fate is being a jerk.

[Fate]

Are you blind Hoopla or are you really Andrius buddy?

[Fate]

Don't you DARE say happy scumday in other threads while not even putting EFFORT into this one DarthAndrius

[Hoopla]

Are you blind Hoopla or are you really Andrius buddy?

Andrius and parknourie should be competing - I dislike the concept of having one strong leading wagon on Day 1.

[Fate]

This isn't a fucking MD thread, its Friends and Enemies.

Town sweep go.

Hoopla IS Andrius buddy afterall

[Hoopla]

Okay, I'll be Andrius' buddy, if that makes you parknourie's buddy.