Cold War Mafia - GAME OVER!!

DavidParker · Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:22 am

Hi. Played on an online-gaming forum site. Got redirected here for more games.

I think I'm better as town. Although my record suggests my town play in newbie games is some of the worst on site. My town play in non-newbie games has a decent record. Scum record is pretty bad right now, although I think my scum play isn't too bad usually :/

I think the setup has been somewhat laid out to us. I assume other people's pms did so too:
Players have a nationality - I'm guessing people are either Soviet or American (maybe some third parties who are neither), the nationality is not reflective of being "scum" or town though, since players are just trying to eliminate threats to peace. Each nationality will have some players who are threats to peace (and aligned with players within their nationality, and possibly third parties, ie: cuban scum allied with soviet scum). That's my interpretation of game setup as it is. So, there can be soviets and americans co-existing with a town win as long as threats to peace from both nationalities (and possibly other nationalities) are dead.

Vote: nacho

Because I keep seeing you pop up in my games.

DavidParker · Post Post #7 (isolation #1) » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:43 am

Excuse me?

DavidParker · Post Post #8 (isolation #2) » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:44 am

Are you drunk or just dumb?

DavidParker · Post Post #9 (isolation #3) » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:44 am

I might wait for your response before posting the obvious.

DavidParker · Post Post #12 (isolation #4) » Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:10 am

...

I'm about ready to vote PoisonIvy...

Unvote, Vote: PoisonIvy

Semi-serious vote. I'll post what everyone has ignored, and what I called RC stupid for not noticing.

CallMeLiam wrote:[1] Each player represents one real-life figure from the 20th Century. Not all of them are dead, but not all of them are living.
[2] Each player has an alignment, a nationality, and a role.
[3] The town win condition is: "You win when all threats to peace have been killed"
[4] A possible mafia win condition is: "You win when only Soviet players remain alive or nothing can prevent this"

Hint: Alignment and nationality are two separate things. You can be town-aligned as American or Soviet the mod is suggesting. My pm from mod stating my role also made it rather clear, as it was a town pm, that there is probably town-aligned players of different nationalities (ie: people of other nationalities who only want peace, which makes sense thematically) the only people who might not be clear that this isn't an "America vs Soviet Russia" game is scum themselves.. RC mis-reading this was one thing, but at least he didn't suggest the game was US v Russia.

I would say that PoisonIvy's latest post resembles that of a scum slip.

Additionally, the first statement regarding furcolow does not read in a very town-like tone to me, with the way he affirms "I am being serious".

DavidParker · Post Post #14 (isolation #5) » Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:29 am

Can we get poisonivy lynched already?

DavidParker · Post Post #22 (isolation #6) » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:36 am

Mine is no fabrication. PoisonIvy's response was atrocious.

I agree on RQS being useless, but it's not really a scum tell. Definitely doesn't win townie points though.

DavidParker · Post Post #49 (isolation #7) » Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:23 pm

@EGL: Those 3 posts "seem defensive" because they are defensive.

It didn't explicitly state, but it sure implied it. (hence why I use "probably")

DavidParker · Post Post #51 (isolation #8) » Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:25 pm

It's a theme game, here more than elsewhere, people will want to talk about setup and flavor. Especially when setup/flavor has already been strongly hinted at by the mod.

DavidParker · Post Post #61 (isolation #9) » Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:03 pm

EGL wrote:Oh I just saw DavidParker's answer to my post about him and PoisonIvy!

Why were you being defensive so early, after just one vote?

Because the vote was for nonsensical reasons; if the player who had voted me had just read the rules/info page the vote wouldn't have happened.

DavidParker · Post Post #69 (isolation #10) » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:21 pm

EGL wrote:I would have thought it was more to do with him not reading the rest of your post but anyway... Does a nonsensical vote during RVS/RQS really merit being defensive unless you're trying to hide something?

I'm quite rude and sarcastic when people attack me using terrible logic/reasoning. It's part of my play style.

DavidParker · Post Post #82 (isolation #11) » Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:12 pm

i agree with llama that setup discussion is more likely to help scum than town.

However, my point about theme games having more setup/flavor discussion is merely the curiosity factor. Players are playing games for fun, and as a result there will be some discussion born from setup/flavor, even if it isn't necessarily going to benefit town :/

DavidParker · Post Post #93 (isolation #12) » Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:39 am

I've seen nothing that shows Furc is "policy lynch worthy", at least he's putting the effort into making coherent posts with arguments, even if they aren't always sound. I much prefer that to the shottys and andrews.

@Julien: I don't quite see what you are arguing.. I attacked someone for saying that "town=us, soviet=scum" more or less, and i responded by saying there is most likely town allied players of both nationalities, i can't confirm this, but the mod game info suggests there is, as does my PM to a certain extent imply certain things without explicity stating them (hence I use probably). If I didn't believe what you are saying I'm "bullshitting in grand style", then why would I attack someone using this as my argument?? This is the central idea built behind my vote on poisonivy, and you are claiming I wasn't convincing enough because I used "probably".. If i didn't believe it why on earth would I have voted/pushed poison ivy's wagon?

DavidParker · Post Post #137 (isolation #13) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:53 am

Furc seems to be living upto his anti-town reputation fairly well.

DavidParker · Post Post #141 (isolation #14) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:21 am

Yeah, I'm seeing Furc-town at this point, but his play definitely isn't being very helpful. Poisonivy scum is largely content based as I think he did make a bit of a slip with his early posts, I don't see it as a genuine misunderstanding, but that seems to be the only other option.

It seems quite a few have Furc nailed as town.

DavidParker · Post Post #144 (isolation #15) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:03 am

@gonnano: Don't expect pro-town behavior from Furc....

I mean I have a slight town read on him at this point or a push for a policy lynch may be occurring.

DavidParker · Post Post #154 (isolation #16) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:27 pm

Well, I find him scummy but he's buddying me pretty hard so I'm okay not voting him for now.

DavidParker · Post Post #157 (isolation #17) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:45 pm

RedCoyote wrote:
David 154 wrote:Well, I find him scummy but he's buddying me pretty hard so I'm okay not voting him for now.
David, this is horribly scummy. Do you really mean this?

You find him scummy but you don't want to vote him because he's buddying to you?

It was sarcasm sorry.

DavidParker · Post Post #162 (isolation #18) » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:57 am

At this point I think you're both probably town.

DavidParker · Post Post #185 (isolation #19) » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:35 am

furc is more anti town, but pi is much scummier. it doesnt surprise me that furc is voting for PI regardless of alignment.

DavidParker · Post Post #234 (isolation #20) » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:07 am

LlamaFluff wrote:I can tell this is going to be a frustrating game.

Good wagons: jmj, rat, gonno with a remainder of Thad
Bad wagons: people who are being wagoned.

New scummiest quote in the game award goes to this gem:
pappums rat wrote:the last time i saw someone do this they turned out to be scum. im not sayin', im just sayin'...
I dont really love a Thad wagon, but its a perfectly acceptable spot to throw up a wagon, especially compared to PI and GW ones which I think are both on town. Jmj, rat or gonno I would be estatic if wagons showed up on right now.

I don't see how the PI or Furc wagons are "bad". More VC analysis for later is always good, and these people are being voted for being legitimately scummy; especially PI I feel.

The one thing I like is bringing up Rat's post.

With only one on your list I agree with...

unvote, Vote: pappums rat

DavidParker · Post Post #248 (isolation #21) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:45 am

This is a "large" game... There are of course going to be countless people slipping off the radar....

It gained rapid velocity because in all honesty you are probably still scum PI.

DavidParker · Post Post #295 (isolation #22) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:05 pm

what just happened between furc and ThAd?

DavidParker · Post Post #336 (isolation #23) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:20 am

LynchMePls wrote:
Furcolow wrote:llamafluff, i agree with the sentiment, but what are your reasons for suspecting those players, gonnano specifically?
"I agree with you, but I have no idea why you suspect them, so why is that?"

Scum.

I'd just say Furcolow.

Doesn't seem to indicate much on alignment tbh :/

DavidParker · Post Post #339 (isolation #24) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:57 am

Scott Brosius wrote:Name claim is awful and only helps scum as others have mentioned.

LMP is participating more unprovoked. I find that the pop-in when mentioned after a few days of no activity is a good scum-tell as it shows that someone is monitoring the thread but not participating. That is much more interesting/scummy than just lurking. But usually scum go back into hiding, especially since nobody agreed with me it would have been a great opportunity to do that. Back to rat.

Unvote
Vote: pappums rat

I'm gonna be honest here, and say that's somewhat similar to my play at the moment. I am keeping tabs and up to date on things, but unless something goes completely by unnoticed or commented on, I will keep posting my opinions but haven't become actively engaged in scum hunting as of yet anyways. I think day 1 wagons and the day 1 lynch will typically be on someone rather randomly who gets bandwagoned for a slight slip-up or post-style/play-style issue anyways.

DavidParker · Post Post #348 (isolation #25) » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:56 am

XScorpion wrote:
Things that are bolded are people I want to hear from. I'd like a new post from Sathrois, Ivy, Fuzzy, and BotS. I'd like Sathrois, Ghost, jmj, bvoigt, Fuzzy, XScorp, LynchMePls, and BotS to justify their votes (or lack thereof) at this point.
Are you fucking kidding me?
I'm absolutely shocked that Poisonivy is even alive at this point. What are you guys doing?

Last time I checked, lynching the people who make terrible OMGUS votes without cases and refuse to answer questions was how you're supposed to play this game. Unless it's changed since I was last here?

This is a valid point. If PI had been quick lynched I wouldn't have been upset about it. A good lynch because of the way he played, and then more info from night actions.

He's survived now, so we may as well use our time to pursue other endeavors, but I'm always keen to re-push PI's wagon.

DavidParker · Post Post #350 (isolation #26) » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:18 am

How's this for defense:

Unvote, Vote: PoisonIvy

inb4bussingmybuddy

DavidParker · Post Post #373 (isolation #27) » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:09 am

jmj3000 wrote:No vote because I am re-reading, then
reading everyone in iso.
Give me some time.

LOLWOT.

Unvote, Vote: JMJ3000

DavidParker · Post Post #376 (isolation #28) » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:26 am

1) What purpose is there to telling us you plan on reading everyone in ISO? It just you stating "oh i'm gonna do some SRS BUSINESS scum hunting... soon"
2) What is there actually to gain from an early mass-player iso on day 1 when we haven't seen a flip or even seen a claim?!??!!?!?!?

Basically. There is no reason to be doing mass iso's at this point in the game. IT doesn't help you. It doesn't help town. We need conciseness at this point and people being opinionated, not huge wall posts commenting on every post of every player.

The fact you felt the need to state you plan on doing these mass iso's seems scummy as if you are trying to earn town points, but will lurk as long as possible, and at the same time your worried about how you are perceived by town since you felt the need to state you will be doing these iso's when you can just do them without the comment.

I dunno, but to me this post just reeks of scum.

DavidParker · Post Post #400 (isolation #29) » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:34 pm

I was reading the game following my post on JMJ and was raging pretty hard when 3-4 people agreed with me and no one threw down a vote. The ensuing wagon calmed me greatly.

I see JMJ or PI being both good lynches at this point. I see both as very likely to be scum, more so than anyone else (cases on ThAd and stuff just are meh at this point).

DavidParker · Post Post #408 (isolation #30) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:14 am

Sounds good and worth mentioning at this point to some extent. I think nationality in this game isn't really relevant for town players, it only seems to matter for scum factions who may have to kill people of other nationalities. (In other words, I'd suggest AGAINST claiming your nationality, since it may help scum, but doesn't matter for town)

DavidParker · Post Post #411 (isolation #31) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:23 am

A case like that doesn't hold much merit on day 1.

Sheeping/bandwagoning a GOOD CASE is not a scum tell in the slightest. It's also pretty hard to scum hunt from your first few posts on day 1, and not something you even want everyone doing or mass confusion ensues. Changing his read suddenly on Furc seems something that town is more likely to do imo. Iso5 is just you twisting his post to seem scummy.

The connection to gonnano is a decent point, but it's still a stretch and not something to base a day 1 lynch on. The case on ThAd is meh. It's just not strong enough for me. I'd rather lynch those players who have made major slips or been actually really scummy such as PI/Furc and now JMJ.

DavidParker · Post Post #412 (isolation #32) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:24 am

JMJJ IS BEST IT SEEMs. more ater when im more sober.

DavidParker · Post Post #415 (isolation #33) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:32 am

DEPENDS ON AMOUNT OF EFFORT FOCUS I PUT INTO A POST WHILE IM DRUNK

DavidParker · Post Post #439 (isolation #34) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:23 pm

Personally I feel ThAd is town and those pushing his wagon are trying to save scum-jmj at this point. Just my gut.

DavidParker · Post Post #446 (isolation #35) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:28 am

Furc is hilarious.

Anyways, I won't be happy with a non-JMJ/PI lynch today at this point.

DavidParker · Post Post #449 (isolation #36) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:10 am

The first point I made was not a compliment by the way.

DavidParker · Post Post #458 (isolation #37) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:28 pm

InflatablePie wrote:Thad reads as town, I don't like the people on jmj's wagon... while bvoigt's vote change after furc FoSed him does read oddly, LynchMe does have some good points against gonnano (mostly in post 429). I can leave G-dub alone for right now, but I've still got my eye on him.

Unvote, Vote: gonnano

You don't like people who are on a good wagon?

DavidParker · Post Post #459 (isolation #38) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:30 pm

In case you guys hadn't noticed jmj has continued to stall and hasn't posted in 2-3 days.

He just keeps asking for time, when he could be providing analysis. He's posted plenty to at least comment on the recent happenings without multiple re-reads/isos. I haven't done a single re-read of the thread as a whole, and I think I've iso'd maybe 1 or 2 players very briefly (not to analyze them as a whole just to find something they posted really).

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE JMJ WAGON!?!??!?

DavidParker · Post Post #464 (isolation #39) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:25 pm

Lol. Confirm vote on jmj.

DavidParker · Post Post #469 (isolation #40) » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:23 am

ThAd lynch sucks and is a waste of time.

DavidParker · Post Post #471 (isolation #41) » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:42 am

Because he's intentionally lurking.

Because he is stalling.

Because the content he did promise was useless content that would only serve to make him seem "pro-town" (A re-read and iso of EVERY player 15 pages when we are still day 1 of a large-game??? That's fucking useless).

His only line of thought when he has been posting has been, "okay I'll just stall as long as possible, maybe post content later, but I don't want to do any now, but I'll make my promsied content seem really good and juicy (mass iso) so that I don't become under suspicion for intentionally lurking".

This lynch is awesome.

DavidParker · Post Post #473 (isolation #42) » Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:04 am

... I don't policy lynch.

This is a scum lynch; not a policy lynch.

All those points I listed are scummy on their own, and when compounded together what do we have??? SCUM!

DavidParker · Post Post #485 (isolation #43) » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:27 pm

LynchMePls wrote:
DavidParker wrote:Because he's intentionally lurking.

Because he is stalling.

Because the content he did promise was useless content that would only serve to make him seem "pro-town" (A re-read and iso of EVERY player 15 pages when we are still day 1 of a large-game??? That's fucking useless).

His only line of thought when he has been posting has been, "okay I'll just stall as long as possible, maybe post content later, but I don't want to do any now, but I'll make my promsied content seem really good and juicy (mass iso) so that I don't become under suspicion for intentionally lurking".

This lynch is awesome.
Your post is illogical to me. Why wouldn't you rather the slot get replaced with someone useful and lynch someone who is actually behaving scummy?

BECAUSE JMJ IS "ACTUALLY BEHAVING SCUMMY"

DavidParker · Post Post #489 (isolation #44) » Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:23 pm

The fact he is posting an inability to post is a contradiction. He has stalled in every single one of his posts. Claimed some outside reason, but fact is he has had time to read the thread (ie: he responded to my accusation, but making some excuse for lurking) so it's obvious he read the thread> he could at the VERY LEAST post who he finds scummy even without a case. He hasn't even done that. He has stalled stalled stalled, when he's proven he at least has some time to make a post, but just chooses to not post any opinion or content when he could. Similarly, the content he did promise in these posts (posts designed to stall) was content that wasnt going to be very useful for town at all.

DavidParker · Post Post #514 (isolation #45) » Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:04 am

Furcolow wrote:lowell is effectively trying to quell the momentum of myself voting someone who is probably being replaced as scum because they didn't fit their town meta as scum. It's tough to fake it.

I am viewing Lowell, then, as being Amrum's partner-in-crime, trying to wagon jmj a town-VI.

Town-VI??? That's a huge misrep. Nothing has indicated towards jmj being a VI yet.

DavidParker · Post Post #518 (isolation #46) » Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:24 am

I'm going to go out on a limb and say I'm pretty sure GhostWriter is scum. More sure than almost anyone.

DavidParker · Post Post #546 (isolation #47) » Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:26 am

@Furc: I'm DEFENDING JMJ??? ARE YOU FOR REAL??? He is the optimal lynch for today in my eyes (at this point at least). I'm not defending him in any way. I just said I had a very strong scum-read on Ghostwriter following a few posts of his. It's not something I plan on making a case regarding yet, nor do I plan on voting him at this point in day 1, because he's not the lynch for today, but I felt it good to be known I find him HELLA SCUMMY.

DavidParker · Post Post #551 (isolation #48) » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:03 am

Few more JMJ votes would be nice. Nine to be precise.

DavidParker · Post Post #555 (isolation #49) » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:48 am

So, after a bottle of bel air graves, i've decided top place infaltablepie into the "VI-retard" category. No objectionshe here.

DavidParker · Post Post #559 (isolation #50) » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:25 am

IRONICALLY ENOUGH YOU DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT THE PART THAT ACTUALLY INDICATES I'M DRUNK.

DavidParker · Post Post #569 (isolation #51) » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:16 pm

jmj3000 wrote:Ok, I have gotten too far behind in this game. I have been trying to catch up, but each time I get 1 step forward, I fall two steps back.

Mod: Please replace me, as me being so far behind is going to hurt the fun of everyone else in the game.

Can we just lynch this slot before a replacement comes in and everyone forgets how scummy JMJ was?? A replacement at this point will be a fresh start more or less and I'm not happy with that.

DavidParker · Post Post #594 (isolation #52) » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:40 am

Furc is really annoying and useless. He likes to just ask questions such as "explain this statement" and quote somoene. His questions don't seem to have much purpose ever, but his way of providing "input", if you can call it that.

furc wrote:If you HAD to pick between the wagons being scum-motivated, David, whose wagon would you say had more scum on it? Amrun's, or ThAdmiral's?

Don't know; don't care. This game isn't black and white. It's not as simple as one wagon being more scum-motivated than another. For all we know there is a scum-motivated wagon on scum. Or a town-motivated wagon on town.

furc wrote:@davidparker, i was referencing you PUSHING the lynch
if he flips town, are you willing to die for this lynch?

What a dumb question.. What do you think? Once again, this game is not black and white. It's not as simple as if we lynch JMJ and he flips town then we lynch me. Sure, i'll look scummier but that's something I'm willing to deal with.

Oh God Nachomamma is probably scum. Because he called me probably scum. The nacho I know would have just called me scum, not "probably scum". That doesn't sit right with me. Sitting up a scum-read on me to use later.

My current shortlist for scum:
JMJ (and now whoever replaced him)
GhostWriter
Nachomamma

And, Furc, before you ask, "please explain your reads" is not a valid response to this post.

DavidParker · Post Post #596 (isolation #53) » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:15 am

Oh dear. More mothrax votes please.

DavidParker · Post Post #609 (isolation #54) » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:18 pm

JMJ Had been stalling for time for a week... Finally when he had stalled so much he decided to flake. More later, have to leave for work now.

DavidParker · Post Post #634 (isolation #55) » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:56 am

I'm most willing to lynch either JMJ or Furc today. However, the latter would be largely policy-lynch based, which in a large-game isn't a terrible day 1 lynch.

DavidParker · Post Post #681 (isolation #56) » Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:00 pm

Loveheart = Town.

Unvote, Vote: artem

DavidParker · Post Post #705 (isolation #57) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:06 am

Wtf. There's an artem and an amrun.

unvote, vote: amrun

DavidParker · Post Post #706 (isolation #58) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:07 am

So sticking with the theme, I actually saw Donka's A Letter to Checkhov at the theatre last night.

DavidParker · Post Post #708 (isolation #59) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:19 am

I want to vote for you based on the fact I was meant to be voting you earlier. That's where I wanted my vote to be so I'm putting it where it was intended to be. Right now, I'm thinking over your claim and will post a response to it in due time. I don't see how the role you described couldn't be a scum role, so that makes me wary of you. Especially since you nameclaimed "General", ie: someone affiliated with the war efforts. I can quite likely see your character being scum even if the rest of your claim is true.

DavidParker · Post Post #719 (isolation #60) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:35 am

I just deleted a big post on setup speculation because yeah I don't really want to reveal much more at this point although what I think I'm saying is obvious, maybe it's not for scum.

Anyways, I think Amrun is likely scum at this point. There's no logical reasoning to jump to a US = town and soviet = scum conclusion at this point. There's no information suggesting as such. It is likely a slip. Adding to that is Amrun's claim that suggets he is a person advocating war (ie: "General") and his role has an ability more likely to be seen on a scum-player. While the claim doesn't seem likely from scum, he did try to play off his role as town, the fact he stated that at the end of his claim makes me believe he is maybe scum trying to pass off his role as a town-aligned one. I think it's time for a lynch, ThAd lynch isn't happening.

Amrun, you're recent posts aren't helping. I'm not denying or suggesting I don't believe you are General McArthur (a "blacklister"), but there's no game-related info pointing towards US = Town. So claiming a US-aligned role does not indicate towards you being town at all. The only thing indicating towards being town would be claiming a role or name-claiming a figure who would be advocating "peace" (as that is town win con, to "eliminate threats to peace"). I don't see how a general is attempting to eliminate threats to peace. An American general is trying to eliminate Soviets more or less (yes that's dumbed down). You are trying to suggest US = Town, which I doubt is the case. Your name claim is scummy, your role you claimed is scummy, and you are trying to suggest it is town because you are American.

Your latest post,

Amrun wrote:Oh, I meant to add that even though silencing is a strange town ability, it makes perfect sense with the theme. He was a blacklister, after all. Silencing is what he did to people in real life.

This isn't even a defense. This is you stating why your ability matches your name claim. It doesn't state why your name claim or role is a town aligned one. It still makes more sense for it to be scum-aligned.

DavidParker · Post Post #724 (isolation #61) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:01 am

[/quote="Amrun"]I am General McArthur.[/quote]

Please do help me out.. Your role pm would obviously have only stated general if your name character was a general. You then made a name claim using general, and you are saying you never said general??? I mean if you had typo'd McArthur instead of McCarthy that's one thing. But you used "General". Now you are saying you aren't a general and never said you were. This entire scenario is entirely implausible. PI's speculation aside, your claim is scummy. Especially this backpeddling and lying.

What is the EXACT name that you got in your role pm? Is it Joseph McCarthy? How did you end up typing General McArthur? I'm not asking you to defend persay, just help me understand.

DavidParker · Post Post #725 (isolation #62) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:01 am

Ie: Why did you decide to name claim using "General" when it's obvious your role pm didn't include this word?

DavidParker · Post Post #727 (isolation #63) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:13 am

Unvote

At this point I am inclined to believe Amrun's claim.

The flavor fits. MacArthur wasn't even involved in the Cold War it seems (quick wikipedia search, cause my American history is pretty bad).

I still find your slot suspect and it could easily be a safe-claim, but at this I'm willing to believe it is a town role.

@Amrun: Is the player/public told that they are unable to vote on the day it comes into effect? If not, will it show up in vote counts? Essentially, can your ability be proven tomorrow?

A quick wiki of McCarthy doesn't exactly make him appear pro-peace though :/

DavidParker · Post Post #729 (isolation #64) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:26 am

Oh, I'm already considering a revote of Amrun. I don't even think it's worth "proving" his role since it can easily be a scum role. (I mean scum may as well claim their actual role as a town role if they can especially if it's provable).

Your third "issue", isn't really an issue. It's pretty clear that his claim-messup was genuine to me at least. MacArthur wasn't even involved in the cold war from my research?

I'm still happy with a moth lynch as well (AKA YOU), because you haven't realy helped your slot at all. Your first real input is just jumping on the band wagon of the easiest target in the game. Regardless of amrun's flip (if it were to happen today), i'd still find you hella scummy. Either as soviet-scum who is trying to kill americans as apart of your win con or even as US scum bussing your buddy or just mislynching a townie.

At this point I'd like people on ThAd wagon to give up and choose between these two wagons. ThAd just doesn't make a good day 1 lynch in my eyes.

DavidParker · Post Post #735 (isolation #65) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:46 am

I'm okay with this now:

Vote: Amrun

P.s. I know how to use wikipedia

DavidParker · Post Post #740 (isolation #66) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:46 am

and smarge is mis-repping scum.

Amrun wrote:DP: What? Your post makes no sense. It makes almost as little sense as you voting for artem (or did you mean me) for being "too town."

Oh, and more mis-repping scum.

Stop WIFOMing me Amrun.

DavidParker · Post Post #744 (isolation #67) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:51 am

MAYBE READ BEFORE MAKING ACCUSATIONS. IM ACTUALLY GOING TO SLEEP NOW. BECOMING DELIRIOUS.

DavidParker · Post Post #746 (isolation #68) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:56 am

YOUR WIFOM MAKES MY HEAD HURT. I HOPE MY CAPS DOES THE SAME TO YOU.

DavidParker · Post Post #750 (isolation #69) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:09 am

smargaret wrote:DP, how on earth is making a factual statement about the setup and stating an opinion about a player misrepping?

YOUR STATEMENT IMPLIED THAT AMRUN HAD STATED SUCH A STATEMENT. BASICALLY YOU MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT GAME SETUP. THEN YOU MAKE A SETUP SAYING A PLAYER IS LYING SCUM (IE: IMPLYING ITS BECAUSE OF THE SETUP SPECULATION). IF THAT WANST YOUR INTENT, WELL THE WAY YOU POSTED WAS VERY POOR AND SEEMS TO BE TRYING TO PUT AMRUN IN BAD LIGHT. HE HAS NOT STATED HE BELIEVES THE GAME TO BE US VS SOVIET. HE HAS JUST STATED WHY HIS ROLE PM DOESN'T INDICATE AGAINST THE POSSIBILITY.

PREVIEW EDIT: I think smarge is claiming the two statements are entirely unrelated. Even so, it's bad posting. Yeah anyone would assume they are related.

DavidParker · Post Post #752 (isolation #70) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:15 am

Well yeah, the core reasoning to my vote on Amrun is because of PI's slip.

DavidParker · Post Post #819 (isolation #71) » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:54 pm

Guys, it's not too late for a last minute gonnano wagon. This guy has scum written all over him. And yeah, I'm starting to think we are wrong about the Amrun wagon.

Unvote

Furcs role/nameclaim look town at this point. Moth is still a good lynch imo, but gonnano seems to be even better now with some weak justifications of his vote. Then as soon as amrun wagons fizzles pops his vote back to Moth who is also is voting with bad reasons. He also seems overly worried about how other people see him (http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p2794902)

So llama and co. Gonnano wagon is A GOOOOOO

Vote: Gonnano

DavidParker · Post Post #836 (isolation #72) » Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:30 am

LynchMePls wrote:
LlamaFluff wrote:I will reitterate that regardless of flip gonnao needs a bullet. Not an investigation, not someone to keep an eye on him a bullet.
++

HOW BOUT WE LYNCH HIM TODAY? GOOD PLAN? YES!

DavidParker · Post Post #838 (isolation #73) » Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:47 am

Someone claimed a non-us townie already. They claimed to be non-soviet AND non-USA I believe.

DavidParker · Post Post #845 (isolation #74) » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:40 am

Threats to peace imply there are capitalist and communist town. (And likely capitalist and communist scum, who are probably not on the same scum faction).

The amount of WIFOM going on with Amrun's claim is irritating.

DavidParker · Post Post #847 (isolation #75) » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:41 am

@smarge: You realize amrun was governor'd. (apparently, hasn't been proven yet). So he can't be the lynch for today it seems.

For now, let's just test the governor theory.

Unvote, Vote: Amrun

DavidParker · Post Post #848 (isolation #76) » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:41 am

Preview edit: MMKAY.

DavidParker · Post Post #914 (isolation #77) » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:06 pm

unvote, vote: gonnano

same reasons as my earlier mini-case.

DavidParker · Post Post #918 (isolation #78) » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:23 pm

gonnano wrote:Wow. At least Llama attempted to make a real case.

go back and read my earlier post?

DavidParker · Post Post #945 (isolation #79) » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:12 am

As much as I have somewhat-adamantly defended ThAd and never believed him strongly to be a good lynch today information-wise, he is definitely playing in a cautious way that is really looking to be scummish at this point and it upsets me, because I have defended him and pushed for a non-ThAd lynch for so long... I'd still prefer gonnano at this point but ThAd has managed to creep up.

DavidParker · Post Post #964 (isolation #80) » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:54 pm

smargaret wrote:I completely agree with BotS's last post.

Likewise, except one part.

I'm not convinced by ThAd's name claim, looking at my own name claim it just does seem like a bit of a cop-out and not something I quite expected from a US townie. (I'm only referencing my name claim, not soft claiming in any ways or suggesting anything about my role). I'd rather not reveal what I find "off" about his name claim and the role attached to it at this point as I may be revealing more to scum than I should. Just that I don't like his claim.

DavidParker · Post Post #965 (isolation #81) » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:06 pm

Oh NVM. Just re-read part of his claim and while I hope it was "legal paraphrasing" I believe he is almost definitely town at this point...

DavidParker · Post Post #967 (isolation #82) » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:56 pm

Anyways, guys: ThAd is confirmed town at this point (at least given my role pm), and he is the last person in this game I am willing to lynch at this point.

All on his wagon should seriously get off it now.

Amrun I am unconvinced is town, but I am definitely leaning town at this point. Moth is still a viable lynch and gonnano sits well with me as well.

DavidParker · Post Post #968 (isolation #83) » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:56 pm

Also, as pointed out earlier, i have a huge-gut-scum read on GhostWriter.

DavidParker · Post Post #971 (isolation #84) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:46 am

Unvote ThAd now please. He is confirmed town.

DavidParker · Post Post #973 (isolation #85) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:21 am

I have role-related information that ThAd is town at this point. Will not reveal further.

DavidParker · Post Post #976 (isolation #86) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:41 am

What is that even meant to mean llama? "pieces don't fit together". I mean there's a few things that have happened:

Fuzzyman claims non-US and non-soviet on his ONLY post. (plz prod btw)
Furc claims without a wagon on him, Soviet Bulletproof, Heydar Aliyev.
Amrun (PI) got wagoned and claimed town-silencer, US, McCarthy. Doesn't quite fit, and yeah there's a bit to think about there, but you either believe it or don't.
ThAd got wagoned harder after, and claimed VT, US, Kissinger. Very pro-peace character. Possible fake claim still though.
DavidParker (me) claims to have role information that ThAd is town.

At this point most of what has happened (not gonna talk about my own action since you guys can judge that) has seemed very likely to come from town players. The least believable seems to be amrun's claim, but I still remain somewhat of the opinion he is town. Fuzzyman is a complete null since disappearing.

DavidParker · Post Post #1040 (isolation #87) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:44 am

I look at these two wagons, and see more pro-town players on the Bunny wagon and more scummy players on the gonnano wagon.

Thus:

Unvote, vote: Bunnylover

DavidParker · Post Post #1043 (isolation #88) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:47 am

If I had mentioned everytime you pinged my scumdar... Needless to say you are in my top 3-4 atm. And this isn't an OMGUS. Just something I hadn't decided to point out as of yet, because there's scummier people to lynch.

DavidParker · Post Post #1046 (isolation #89) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:25 am

ThAd is town. Why are you voting confirmed town?

Unvote, Vote: LMP

DavidParker · Post Post #1081 (isolation #90) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:37 pm

Unvote, Vote: Bunnylover

DavidParker · Post Post #1105 (isolation #91) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:56 am

How can a lynch be going "too smoothly", with 2 days until deadline, it's pro-town to bandwagon quickly and get the game moving. The wagon picking up so quickly is largey due to Bunny being a good lynch at this point due to the possible "slip" and because her lack of flavor and claim is scummy. The logic that *wagon picking up super quickly and running too smoothly = scum motivated wagon on town* doesn't seem to hold here..

DavidParker · Post Post #1111 (isolation #92) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:39 am

I actually thought XScorp brought up a legitimately scummy post by you in his last post. I don't think it's fair to just "ignore him".

DavidParker · Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:13 pm

Amrun wrote:Che Guevara not wanting war? What is this?

Honestly, between my role and what bunny is saying, if she actually flips town, then this game is bastard. Period. :/

My name claim begs to differ.

DavidParker · Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:23 pm

Amrun wrote:Shit or get off the pot, David. I see no nameclaim for you.

I don't really intend to name claim as of yet, I'm merely pointing out that my name claim is neither someone who was pro-war or someone who was pro-peace. Just a random character. It's pretty clear I am town from my name-claim but that can come later if people still want to vote me tomorrow. And I do reiterate that ThAd is town.

DavidParker · Post Post #1175 (isolation #95) » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:35 am

I think Furc may have just slipped...

DavidParker · Post Post #1184 (isolation #96) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:40 am

LynchMePls wrote:
Vote: David Parker

This guy is scum.

Au contraire, mon ami.

DavidParker · Post Post #1186 (isolation #97) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:11 am

What bounty on EGL's head are you referring to?

DavidParker · Post Post #1187 (isolation #98) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:16 am

Furcolow wrote:EGL IS SO INCREDIBLY SCUMMY
WHEN I GET NIGHTKILLED, PLEASE KILL HIM - WITH A ROPE

Vote: Furcolow

This slip is REALLY bad.

DavidParker · Post Post #1196 (isolation #99) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:25 pm

Amrun wrote:So bunny was Che Guevara and town, but you still want to lynch me for being McCarthy? Makes total sense. Not.

And I don't know if I was roleblocked, gonnano. I figured I probably would be, to be perfectly honest. Your vote is probably still good.

Are you serious? Using your logic we should be lynching Henry Kissinger. Obviously we won't be lynching based on name claim, but you are saying "oh che was town even though he was pro war, so that means mccarthy is town too since hes pro war". Bad logic is bad. There's stil plenty of reason to want to lynch you. You got bandwagoned for a reason, and that wasn't because of your claim.

DavidParker · Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:20 pm

Well I'd be more sure that Furc was scum after his slip if I wasn't a Russian town-aligned player myself.

Name claim: Mikhail Bulgakov, yeah kinda random.

DavidParker · Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:09 am

Stephoscope wrote:
DavidParker wrote:Well I'd be more sure that Furc was scum after his slip if I wasn't a Russian town-aligned player myself.

Name claim: Mikhail Bulgakov, yeah kinda random.
I just read his entry on Wikipedia, and I can't help but wonder why in the world he would be in this game...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bulgakov

My thoughts exactly. I have no idea why he's in the game.

@Scott: What does a name claim have to do with what information I have?

DavidParker · Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:29 am

Who said I'm playing dumb. Simply put, full-claiming at this point will help scum more than town.

DavidParker · Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:00 am

Ghostwriter was town? I am surprised.

DavidParker · Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:33 pm

I'm gonna lean town on Amrun. I mean a town roleblocker wouldn't really roleblock a "silencer". I just don't think it's likely. Now if he's scum he shouldn't have been roleblocked at all. The only thing that makes some sense is a different scum group to Amrun's roleblocking him.

Basically I see one of two things happening:
Town Amrun got roleblocked by scum to set him up.
ScumA Amrun got roleblocked by ScumB to set him up.

First seems slightly more probable.

DavidParker · Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:50 pm

Why are you waiting for an explanation? I've clearly stated I have no intention of giving one.

DavidParker · Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:48 pm

InflatablePie wins the thread.

Also, we can give it another day at least to test amrun's power.

DavidParker · Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:57 am

DP's reads change on a regular basis. get over it.

DavidParker · Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:00 pm

Furc, you suck. You had this lynch coming. Stop your all caps/rage as if it's town's fault/mistake (if you are town), it's your own bloody fault for this mess.

DavidParker · Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:39 am

Sathoris wrote:While I agree DP is scummy. I thought the general concensus was that there'd be 2 scum teams? DP could be in a different team and not know Furc is scum aswell. It does look like he's saying what LMP translated but that doesn't make Furc town.

And could you please answer my question DP.

Sathoris wrote:
DavidParker wrote:Why are you waiting for an explanation? I've clearly stated I have no intention of giving one.
Then why did you go through the trouble of semi vouching for ThAd's role if you're not going to explain it and your nameclaim has nothing to do with ThAd's?

There's no town-benefit to a full-claim at this point.

Also I knew fully well what I was posting. Voting me because of that post is comical at best.

DavidParker · Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:37 am

LynchMePls wrote:I like the growth of the DP wagon and his completely failure to refute the points against him.

My failure to refute points against me is my insistence that me full-claiming isn't beneficial to town at this point.

DavidParker · Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:10 pm

That's what I do. Anything in particular you want an exact explanation for? My claim is not something I'm willing to explain yet.

DavidParker · Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:28 am

lol...... this game gets funnier and funnier.

Unvote

I'm back to thinking furc is town.

DavidParker · Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:59 am

*PROD RECEIVED*
*INSERT CONTENT HERE* (AKA LACK OF CONTENT)
*

UNVOTE, VOTE: AMRUN

DavidParker · Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:59 pm

I'm honestly not too sure at this point of anyone. With what looks like 2 scum groups and a possible SK (or vig), and only 1 scum flip so far and like 8 flips that leaves almost like half of you as scum. BTW, I have no reason to believe ThAd is town, that was all baloney earlier. There was something in his post when he claimed that looked like a town tell, but I have no role-related info to him being town. However, I still feel he is probable town. Re-reading a go go!

DavidParker · Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:41 am

Cause I didn't want you to be lynched.

DavidParker · Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:03 am

I'm lol'ing at LMP. As much as I don't want to apply "too scum to be scum" to him, his play just makes no sense. It's definitely "too scum to be town" though. What's your point I lied? Why would I lie about having role-related info to someone being town? Do you really think there's more scum motivation to that than town motivation? I was just acting on my gut. My gut isn't convinced about you, when really my head is telling me you are def-scum though.

DavidParker · Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:16 am

No, I wouldn't really even qualify that as scummy. If that's all your case on me is (the scummy part of my play has been my lurking/lack of scum hunting) but all you seem to notice is th eobv-lies etc..

Vote: Scott

DavidParker · Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:23 am

Scott def scum, LMP probable-scum.

DavidParker · Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:43 am

Now, now, furc. No need to be mean. We are on the same team after all...

DavidParker · Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:36 am

You seemed rather easily convinced to not lynch me LMP? how's that?

DavidParker · Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:13 pm

As fun as this game has been i'm going to have to replace out sorry. Real life taking priority atm. Apologies to all.