Open 276- Friends and Enemies Mafia (OVER)

[Hoopla]

That's not effort to me.

~ Fair enough.

I think it is easier to read a player when they've generated a significant wagon on them, because they're increasingly under pressure, and you have a whole grip of other players weighing in on them too, creating more links. I

really

think this Empking wagon is wrong, and I think it is wrong more than I think anyone else is scum - this is a pretty normal experience for me, and I'm sure you feel it sometimes too.

We've had so few players genuinely wagoned, it's hard to base my other reads on anything other than individual behavioural tells, and I find them to be less accurate for me. This is why I am paranoid about Empking being lynched and flipping town, because if that happens, we've had almost no information to add from today other than this wagon.

[Nachomamma8]

Let's make a deal then, Hoopla.

You give me your vote for the day as long as I don't make you vote yourself or Empking, and I'll give you those wagons you so desire.

No one else should respond to this before Hoopla does.

[AlmasterGM]

V/LA until Sunday.

[Hoopla]

Let's make a deal then, Hoopla.

You give me your vote for the day as long as I don't make you vote yourself or Empking, and I'll give you those wagons you so desire.

No one else should respond to this before Hoopla does.

Do you really want me to explain why proxying my vote to you is dumb? I'll assume yes, because the last time I thought you weren't deadly serious, it turns out you were.

I'm not saying I have no scum reads and no town reads other than Empking. There are several players I probably wouldn't look at pursuing today, and I have some scum reads that are stronger than others. Throwing away the responsibility of your vote completely undermines the whole point of generating other wagons, because that's one less person you don't get a read on from their vote.

I'm also not saying the be all and end of all of mafia is wagons - you should be prepared to lynch if the wagon looks good and the player is suspicious enough, but this one doesn't look good to me. And I think many on this wagon are taking the easy option without giving much thought to the game.

[Fate]

Its funny because Hoopla doesn't even have a semblance of anything resembling a case on flinter

[Hoopla]

Its funny because Hoopla doesn't even have a semblance of anything resembling a case on flinter

It's mostly gut admittedly, but this is how we get things going. We build a wagon on someone deemed collectively suspicious, we take stock and analyse if this wagon is good and if it should go through. If so, good then, if not, we do the same thing on someone else.

Does anyone else feel this way about flinter? Fate, what is your read on flinter?

[Fate]

If she's scum with Empking then you're not scum with Empking.


If it makes you feel any better.

[Hoopla]

Are you going to answer

crazy

hypothetical questions of Empking-town, if I ask it? Or do you still ignore those things?

[Fate]

No thanks.


Empking->Flinter/Hoopla->WILDCARD (seriously I forgot AGM and a lot of other people were even in this game)

[Hoopla]

I thought I was helping you become more open-minded too.

[Fate]

Ok, try me.

[Hoopla]

Say you get your Empking wagon through and he flips town - who is scum? Have any of the votes on Empking today seemed scummy or townish if Empking is town?

[Fate]

The worse vote is andrews, which goes without saying. DDD has also done literally nothing of note thiis game. Next would be AGMs for reasons ill post when he gets back, with nachos as the best

[andrew94]

The worse vote is andrews, which goes without saying. DDD has also done literally nothing of note thiis game. Next would be AGMs for reasons ill post when he gets back, with nachos as the best

i unvoted


hoopla, do you know fate in rl or something

[Hoopla]

The worse vote is andrews, which goes without saying. DDD has also done literally nothing of note thiis game. Next would be AGMs for reasons ill post when he gets back, with nachos as the best

i unvoted


hoopla, do you know fate in rl or something

Yes, we're married. But we sleep in separate bedrooms.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hoopla, why flinter over Nobody Special? You had pretty strong reasons to vote the latter yesterday and yet today you offer a flinter vote without so much of a case. Furthermore, you are insistent that Fate follows your vote for flinter, something you didn't even do for NS despite the case. What explanation do you have for this?

[Empking]

NS: I think you're scum due to gut but since you can't respond to that. Your lack of posting disturbs me. The posts you have made seem to have a large degree of active lurking and there's awfully little scumhunting to be found in them, (OMGUS and hopping onto the biggest wagon.) Post 15 (in your iso) also smells awfully like scummy opportunitism to give yourself an out if your best move turned out to be at Parknourie.

AGM and others: Is the wagon on me (as AGM says) based on Andrius's meta? I haven't played a completed game with Andy but I think that when it ends up leading to a replacement being needed its not due to meta and overall opinions its due to some other factor.

AGM; Isn't Andy always talking about how he was scum in Greek mythology? That doesn't seem like someone who dislikes being scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Empking what do you think about Newbie2010?

[Empking]

Nothing.


Which is itself a scum tell.

[Albert B. Rampage]

O.K. what about Andrew94?

[Empking]

O.K. what about Andrew94?

Town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Provide a better reasoning to why you think he's town than because he unvoted you at L-2 and you don't want him voting you again.

[Empking]

Yes clearly ABR when I called him town in my first read through (am opinion that has had nothing to change it) it was because I knew this who situation wouldf happen. The L-2, the unvote. Everything.

Andrew is scumhunting. Therefore he is town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Newbie2010 isn't scumhunting?

[Empking]

I'm not as convinced.