Open 279 - Rusty Guillotine Mafia - Game Over!
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I haven't put much thought to it. Given the types of town power roles I see no reason to treat the game much differently—i.e., adopt peculiar strategies—than you would treat a mainstream open or normal game.VP Baltar wrote:@crypto - what is your opinion about this setup and what do you think is the optimal strategy?
Two things catch my eye:- The randomly generated lynch mechanic. I've been in a few games with rushed lynches and even, IIRC, no-lynches due to lapses in either activity or decisiveness. It's maddeningly bad enough in games with standard lynch mechanics. If it happens here then I will be furious.
- The prohibition of players on the guillotine to vote. I'm wondering if the mod would allow basic forms of communication via customization of the vote text; e.g., an underlined vote represents a town read, a capitalized vote represents a scum read, an italicized vote urges a return of attention to the voted player's last post.
Because I can single-handedly blow a game by way of harebrained setup speculation.Concission wrote:Why ask only crypto?
@LuckayLuck, why don't you think Antitown is just joking around for the sake of joking around?
@VP Balterand@Concission, how does disagreement over Mafia theory justify a vote?- crypto
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Er, I meant prohibition to post other than a vote. My bad.hitogoroshi wrote:Shadow Dancer wrote:Hmm... Now that some one metioned it I just realized it seems to be missing in the rules - whoever is on the guillotine loses his/her vote?No, they do not. I don't know where crypto drew that, but you definitely do vote as normal the day you're on guillotine. Note that this "bumps LYLO up a day", in effect. If there are 9 living players total and three of them are scum with a non-scum on guillotine, and they place a townie on guillotine that day, I would then call the game for the scum.
Sorry, I thought we were playing Twenty Questions.I don't understand your last post...- crypto
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I think you may be seriously underestimating the competence of the Mafia and the amount of time and effort it really takes to diagnose a small and relatively simple open setup.VPB wrote:4) Scum are less likely to be concerned with the setup at this point, as they will be scum scumming and trying to get NKs day one so they can get to their precious night QT.- crypto
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God fucking damn it. I was under the impression from the wiki that the player on the guillotine could vote but not post but looking back at Hitorogoshi's activity rule it looks like he can post, too.
@Mod, the on-guillotine player can both post and vote, confirm or deny.
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The Batman, of course, is a metaphor for players who don't fall under the aforementioned category.
We'll start with Alamanatee.
Unvote. Vote: AlmasterGM.
Posts in isolation:- 0. Check-in and random vote.
1. Asks VPB if he thinks Concession is scummy.
2. Terse response to quibbles from Shadow Dancer.
3. Devoted solely to my misunderstanding of the setup.
4. Devoted solely to my misunderstanding of the setup.
5. Opposes VPB's vote on Concession; calls Concession town on account of doing something "noobscum" wouldn't; states a gut scum read on Simenon; approves Ythill's setup speculation.a
6. Says that Antitown is scummy, and explains why, after asked his opinion of Antitown by VPB.b
7. Reaffirms his Concession-"noobdumb" stance and his opposition to VPB's attacks on Concession;c concludes that Concession is an easy lynch;d hops on the VPB wagon accordingly; approves of Ythill; gently approves of Luckay; hints at a theory that Jarti is lurker scum.e
b AGM apparently finds Antitown scummy for concrete reasons, but doesn't say as muchuntil asked. That's not how townies think with respect to what they do and don't post.
c The Concession-"noobdumb"-town feels like a flimsy cop-out: lack of effort spiced with a variation on hindsight bias. If AGM is scum then Concession is probably town.
d I roll my eyes violently, and contemplate cutting.
e AGM's exact words: "Jarti seems to fit the profile of the 'lurkerscum' pretty well." Watch this. "Seems . . . fit . . . profile of . . . pretty well." Don't know about you guys, but to me it smells an awful lot like AGM fears of taking a stance and/or has a vested interest in keeping his options open.- crypto
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Does anyone else find Re' Coyo's tone/attitude kinda whack?
@RedCoyote, I'm glad you liked it; I consider it one of my finest works.
There is way too much diplomacy going on in this game for my liking.
Antitown, Concession, zoraster, Jarti, and Shadow Dancer need to strap in their rubber retard helmets and step out from the shadows.- crypto
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No, I didn't think you were calling for a claim. I meant that he would claim regardless of what you wanted, because it's standard procedure for a player to claim when put at L-1. Regardless of whether or not you wanted a claim, you, as one of the players putting him at L-1, would have been the reason for his imminent claimzoraster wrote:[crypto (who seems to honestly have thought I was calling for a claim, which was understandable)despite your lack of interest in lynching him. Why force a player to out his role when you don't even think he's scum? This is anti-town. Scummy? Not sure yet.- crypto
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Durr, somewhere along the line I conflated not pushing an alternate wagon with actually being on the L-1 wagon.
Okay, I think my point still stands, though it's a lot weaker. Not pushing an alternate wagon and expressing satisfaction with the L-1 wagon despite not wanting to lynch the L-1 wagon target and not wanting the L-1 wagon target to claim is anti-town, and since it does nothing to stop the lynch, it potentially sets up for you to play the "I was right" card on D2, etc., etc. - crypto
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