Open 279 - Rusty Guillotine Mafia - Game Over!

[Jarti]

but you are following closely enough to pop in when some minimal heat comes your way I see

[Ythill]

Luck is still getting scummier by the post.

[Ythill]

Just because I haven't summarized in awhile...

Scum

Luck (by a lot)
VPB
Shadow, Sim
AGM
Anti
Conc, Red
Jarti, Zor
Percy
Fate
crypto

Town

[Fate]

Simenon is scummier than Shadow. AGM is worse than both.

And that says nothing of your horrible Luck/VPB reads.

Whoever had zoraster as a #1 town read (above me even!?) was smokin something last page.

[crypto]

mor votz on agm

[Fate]

D1 Lurkerscum lynches aren't very motivating.

[crypto]

Lurking isn't one of the main reasons. Having said that, lurker scum lynches, bland as they are, are the best thing that can happen for a town.

[Fate]

Not on D1.

Everyone is going to either:
1. Vote him for being a lurkerbag
2. Not vote him for being a lurkerbag

There's no dynamics. No information. No real "mafia" playing.

Its just a glorified policy lynch, and I'm fine with it on D2 or D3

[Ythill]

Like I said, I'll probably be up for an AGM wagon in a bit. Maybe even tonight. It would help me move more quickly if SD would stop ignoring me.

@Anti:

What are your reads of Luck, Percy, and Shadow Dancer?

@Shadow:

Please explain the "bad vibes" you got from Jarti by quoting and commenting.

@Sim:

Best guess at a three-man scumteam please, or at least your top three suspects.

[crypto]

Lurker lynches in general, sure, but as its biased proponent I'd like to say that there's more than that to the case on AGM.

[VP Baltar]

Scum
Luck (by a lot)

Shadow Dancer: zoraster, Ythill

lol, sure thing.

[crypto]

o pwnt

[LuckayLuck]

Luck is still getting scummier by the post.

If you're town, you're ridiculous for associating a different playstyle for massive scumminess. I think I might even be lost as to what you're associating with scumminess at this point. And I must also warn you that if you're town you're nearly at the point in time that I have to just accept you'll always be gunning after me and I can't really argue you away from it. That's a sad loss, but at least there would be other townies around to vote for the right people.

If you're mafia - well, I hope you are because your reads make no sense. You've got pretty townish people on your scumameter.

[Simenon]

Don't have time for larger post.
LL's wagon isn't going anywhere.

Unvote Vote Almaster

As I said before, he's flown under the radar. crypto's points are strong

D1 Lurkerscum lynches aren't very motivating.

What? Scum lynches always produce information.

@Sim: Best guess at a three-man scumteam please, or at least your top three suspects.

guessing scumteams seems unreasonable on day one
Top three:
LL
Almaster
Concession
you've moved up there, mostly for your compromise bullshit and your weird behavior over the RC wagon.

[Fate]

*sigh*

Unvote:
Vote: AGM

Simenon your scumlist is lacking as well. Too many players in this game is what is happening I think, we need some bodies.

[hitogoroshi]

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Vote Count #11

VP Baltar:

Concission, AlmasterGM, Percy, Antitown (L-4)

AlmasterGM:

crypto, Jarti, Simenon, Fate (L-4)

Antitown:

LuckayLuck, Shadow Dancer,

Fate

Shadow Dancer:

zoraster, Ythill

Simenon:

RedCoyote

Ythill:

VP Baltar

LuckayLuck:

Simenon

Not voting:

No one.

On guillotine:

No one.

Deadline is on Feburary 27th, 2011, at 11:00 PM central time.

With no new votes until deadline, VP Baltar will be placed on guillotine.

Vi Style Activity Checker (and a hearty hello to anyone quoting me):
AlmasterGM (0) l Antitown (1) l Concission (0) l crypto (0) l Fate (0) l Jarti (0) l LuckayLuck (0) l Percy (1) l RedCoyote (0) l Shadow Dancer (0) l Simenon (0) l VP Baltar (0) l Ythill (0) l zoraster (1)

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[crypto]

Simenon perplexes me but we're railroading this lynch up in this bish.

[Fate]

I got him mislynched last time we played together. He's got a peculiar playstyle that is usually misunderstood.

As opposed to Lucky's style which is pretty transparent and town, if you're paying attention/not scum.

[Fate]

***I was scum in that last game, I didn't mislynch Simenon >_>

[RedCoyote]

Everyone gets a turn except for Sim? Is that how it works? Do you guys just not like me or what? I want to know what this sucka did to get all of your to give him a pass, that's what I want to know.

[RedCoyote]

I also think you guys might make me cry if you call me fake again.

It's just very agreeable. I guess that's how I'd put it. Almost passive, but with a little more heat to it. Anyways, hey, look, I honestly don't want to see you get the chop. I wish I could turn my charm on and off at will, but sometimes it works for me and sometimes it doesn't. I'll admit it'd probably have a greater effect if I were here a bit more and if Fate, VPB, and Ythill weren't all trying to one-up one another, but that's just the way it is.

Anyways, now you're making me look at you like a victim, damnit. Stop it.

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The Batman, of course, is a metaphor for players who don't fall under the aforementioned category.

We'll start with Alamanatee.

Unvote. Vote: AlmasterGM.

I love your metaphor.

I can support this. This is a decent compromise; this is a decent case.

Unvote

;

vote: AlmasterGM

You're welcome, Ythill.

I do want to say that I still think Sim is a more agreeable lynch candidate here. Better than Luck and better than AGM. AT is probably someone I'd be willing to vote now. My reluctance in voting AT as opposed to AGM is only due to the fact that I know AGM knows he's ducking this thread. AT might actually be more unfamiliar with the game and, therefore, possibly more deserving of a pass.

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Did you miss the part where I explained what I meant by that statement or do you think I was lying? I was using bombast to say "Luck is getting even scummier." Even if you don't believe me, note the part where I have been known to be impatient as town.

That's fine; I understand. The actual aggressiveness isn't as much the issue as it is that I didn't like how you hadn't really given LL anything to defend himself against. You did soon after, which I noted as well.

You should pay more attention to the parts you didn't emphasize. Context is key here because "I don't think doing A is wise but if you insist then let's at least find a more helpful way of doing A," is not a contradiction.

Yeah, I skimmed this; I get what you're saying here now. It's not even so much that I disagree with your conclusion there at the end (I saw the LL/AT buddy comment earlier as well, it's at the beginning of my big post), but I didn't like the phrasing of the comment all that much.

"Big man" has my hackles up a little but that's beside the point.

You know you like it.

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also of note: RC's responses to AGM in his little catch-up post don't seem genuine, could be scum interacting with buddy for the sake of

For the sake of what? For it's own sake?

I thought it was adequate. I think he's more than capable of committing more.

but you are following closely enough to pop in when some minimal heat comes your way I see

I agree. This is what I thought. I'm willing to give AGM the benefit of the doubt (insomuch as he may have actually just wanted to genuinely pop in to acknowledge the game and make a promise), but I can't honestly say I'm not slightly more interested in this wagon now.

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Whoever had zoraster as a #1 town read (above me even!?) was smokin something last page.

That was me, player. What are you going to do about it?

He's the only one with enough smarts to call out both Sim and SD. Oh, and he did it on his first post. What's your excuse?

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As I said before, he's flown under the radar. crypto's points are strong

As I implied before, please don't look at me. Please, I'll vote whoever you guys tell me to. Please just don't wagon me, please.

Top three:
LL
Almaster
Concession
you've moved up there, mostly for your compromise bullshit and your weird behavior over the RC wagon.

Let me try to process this. Ythill is scummy for making a post about getting the town's strategy in order. You refuse to respond to it after being asked to, instead choosing to blanketly label it as scummy on two separate occasions. Then Ythill asks you for your top scum picks and AGM and Concession beat out Ythill? I can understand LL, because you've touched on him over the course of the game, but why the other two?

I do see your last sentence, so I'm guessing Ythill is actually at, like, four with you, but you seem really reluctant to actually take him on straight up. You just throw little sprinkles of suspicion out there as though you don't want to be the center of attention.

[Ythill]

@VPB:

Why is it necessary for me to vote my top suspect at this juncture? I'll vote my townreads on D1 if it leads to information.

@Luck:

It's not your playstyle. I'll probably get into exactly what it is a little later, but not to let you "argue me away from it."

he actual aggressiveness isn't as much the issue as it is that I didn't like how you hadn't really given LL anything to defend himself against.

I'm not really interested in defenses at this juncture. One of the reasons I'm so effective at finding the scumz after replacing in is that I get to weigh behavioral tells without arguing about them. I'd rather not lose to a convincing liar.

Anyway... money where my mouth is...

UNVOTE: SD
VOTE: AlmasterGM L-2

[VP Baltar]

@VPB: Why is it necessary for me to vote my top suspect at this juncture? I'll vote my townreads on D1 if it leads to information.

Yeah, I mean, you can use your vote however you please. However, my issue is that you have a scum read (by a lot) which there has been at least some kind of support for and yet you're not hardly pushing for that lynch at all. It makes absolutely no sense to vote your third scum suspect down (or whatever SD was on your list) for 'information' today when you could be putting the heat on and lynching someone you are utterly convinced is scum. Maybe we just play differently, but once I have a strong scum read, I'm not letting go until that person is dead. I figured you would appreciate this since you do not even like discussing your cases for fear of people manipulating you and getting away.

[VP Baltar]

Also, I'm not forgetting everyone that has asked me stuff over the past few days. I've been pretty busy with work and what little mafia time I've had has been dedicated to other games that are farther along. I plan to reply to everything in full this weekend when I have some more free time and I apologize for not being able to get to everything immediately as it has been posted.

[Ythill]

t makes absolutely no sense to vote your third scum suspect down (or whatever SD was on your list) for 'information' today when you could be putting the heat on and lynching someone you are utterly convinced is scum. Maybe we just play differently, but once I have a strong scum read, I'm not letting go until that person is dead.

I am fully capable of being wrong and, even if I'm right, there's more than one scumbag. Weren't you the guy lambasting me for being in a hurry to lynch him not long ago?

Maybe we just play differently, but once I have a strong scum read, I'm not letting go until that person is dead.

Aren't you supposed to be pretending you think I'm scum?