Title Fairy: Out With The Orca, In With The Moogle

[Oman]

Thanks for kind words all.

I've got to review a few things, but know that I'll be producing a thread that gathers your view on Title Fairy policy and takes the consensus higher up. That said: I'm not intending to devolve it into anything less than an thoughtful, planned look into titles.

For that reason, spend 10 minutes or so today thinking what you want out of titles, then when the thread comes, that will have more specific questions.

Love your new Title Fairy,
Oman.

EDIT: How remiss of me! Thok, you did a great job, and thanks for passing the torch. I know people will miss your specific brand of power abuse.

[Oman]

So, are you making another thread?

Negative, I'll rename this one, and edit the first post as required.

[Oman]

Though I too mourn the loss of BAS' Orca meme, I heartily support the anteater where appropriate.

[Oman]

Nominate Porkens for

Begging For It

You're very lucky I'm still reviewing how to treat people that make superfluous, unfunny, and pointless suggestions.

[Oman]

I have no issue with Sudo getting a title referencing the event. I'm not sure it's all that exciting, as I never really noticed that tag, and when it went away, I didn't notice until notified. Feel free to convince me otherwise with a stunning title, but so far I think the response to the suggest one shows my thoughts "oh yeah, but kind of...yeah" Just nothing special.

As for DGB's. I'd really, really prefer it wasn't a "mash-up" of 17 different jokes. I think one or two (like the early ones) works, but 7-8 references in 13 letters? Not where I want it to go.

[Oman]

I would like my title to be returned to

Mafia Scum

if possible.

For what reason? I didn't think you even playing on Korts anymore.

Sudo_Newbie is way too similar to the username. And that is definitely something I'm trying to get rid of on the whole. Pseudo_Newbie is better, but still the same issue. Getting in early on Usedbie. I'm not a fan, I think it doesn't flow, has that jarring "d" in the middle. It doesn't sound nice -

shanbatat 7:15 am
slips off the tongue like a hairball out of a cat
shanbatat 7:15 am
with much choking and gagging

Used-To-Be is a lot better, but see what you can do. I like the idea of it, but finding a happy medium where it makes a clear reference but doesn't sound like a Russian sword-swallower is trying a tongue-twister is the goal.

[Oman]

From my perspective I feel thus about current nominations:

Ythan -
Welcome to the haystack is a good feel, I like it better than any of the others. The spam ones kind of miss the point that while he's posting huge amounts, it's not pointless. I lol'd at Ynslaught but am glad that has been pushed aside.

camn -
Yeah, look, I'm eh on it, but I can see why you feel it title worthy. Maybe if it could be something other than just "I am listening to something" because he listens to things! Get it?

Sudo -
I actually really, really like "Best Newbie" I think I prefer it with "Best Newbie Forever" or something that defines it as a constant. "Best Newbie since 2008" isn't a bad way of expressing it.



Just where I'd like to see things go. Also props to ether for being a minion on the username puns thing.

[Oman]

Oman, have you approved the deletion of my title? If so, I'd love you ever so much more if you added it to the approved titles in the OP, I wouldn't want to miss out on the next batch that jeep/mith does.

Roger, approving now (I wanted my first approval to be something better )

Soundtracker

would be cool. And it sort of touches on her keeping track of players' activity, too.

Nice. Seconded.

Love it, really love it. Give it a bit more chance for someone to speak up for/against then I'll check what camn thinks. But so far has my approval.

[Oman]

Abused my power to split the policy discussion to a thread about that.


Also abused my power to PM Camn about titles.

[Oman]

Putting

Soundtracker

on the first post now, excellent title, excellent individuality to go with it.

[Oman]

RE: Fonz's Title. I like the idea, but for the title.

Can anyone think of a clever way to put it. I like I <3 Policy Lynching enough, but would like to spin the words a bit I think.

[Oman]

I'm a fan, we'll see what Ythan does, PMing him now.

Changing camn's to lowercase.

[Oman]

I thought about it cow, and I don't know whether I can classify it anti-town. I've never played with him, but apparently his millions of posts actually include good content?

[Oman]

No title for wacka. Even if it's loaded with contempt he'll still be happy about it and I can not abide that.

This. And minimum restrictions are not being broken now for this guy.

[Oman]

It

is

AFD.

I didn't know the air force had a special day. Wonder what you are supposed to give them, a card like secretary's day or candy like Easter or somewhere in between?

It was just the Royal Australian Air Force's 80th birthday.

Anyway: RE the Potato Pancake that wont shut the hell up. He's not getting a title, nothing. He even reacted favourably to "banned", so what does that tell you.

Anyway, Regards Reck's title, I like it enough, seems to have staying power. It's not my favourite, but I'll approve after I do this: "Anything else to say on this?"

Any more for any more on Ythan's? From my perspective, it's not inherently anti-town, so I don't feel like i'm encouraging the wrong technique. I'm willing to listen if anyone seriously disagrees with me, otherwise it'll be approved with Reck's.

[Oman]

I am also conscious that "I'm Bi, Dammit" get very close to ol' TSQ

[Oman]

Mafia Cum was the obvious first though, but is...generic.

The others are better in that regard, but still not great titles.
I'd also have to check re:"all ages" on that particular title if it went through. Just lettin' y'all know.

[Oman]

Well if we can get a good one that doesn't rely on the word pseudo (even if it contains it, just so long as it doesn't rely on it).

[Oman]

I still think Pseudo_Newbie is good

I'd roll with this one.


Sudo?

[Oman]

Putting

Welcome to the Haystack

on the front page. I disagree that this is one of those titles promoting bad play.

[Oman]

Thanks for the work on that Sable, I'll try to get those done when reviewing each title for approval.

Regards Pseudo newbie, I'd drop the underscore if it was added, it's already got enough in it without that.

But yes, there are some better ones out there as briefed.

[Oman]

I like, I really do. See what Reck says.

[Oman]

I'm gonna ponder Sudo's on my drive north today. Putting GD is my Wingman up now.

[Oman]

No. Nobody has been able to agree on the best title for him, not even a real consensus. I haven't wanted to force it, so we'll see.

[Oman]

Nominate Cobalt for trollface.jpg

I like this. I would like more discussion either way.

[Oman]

Cobalt gets trollface.jpg and I'm unsure on giving zoraster such a clear reference.

[Oman]

I'm sure we could make a premature joke if we tried.

Not that I'm sure that's a good idea.

[Oman]

Discuss

Assassins in the...nevermind

as opposed to making it a huge multi-line title.

I like the idea, the size is just unwieldy.

[Oman]

Can we do multi-line titles?

I don't know any...

[Oman]

Asking Jeep now.

Will get back to you.

[Oman]

I entirely agree on this one.

After reviewing every comment and suggestion related to Sudo I'm happy to say there are two real options. Firstly, Best Newbie(+Since 2008/+Forever), or Pseudo Newbie.

The rest were good, but the support and simplicity of these push them to the fore. So It'll be one of these two or a variant of such. I'll mull it over and come back to abuse some power.

[Oman]

Sudo gets Pseudo Newbie.


There was no ultimate argument either way, everyone made really valid points. I am really happy with Pseudo Newbie's reference to A) Sudo's best newbie status B) the fact that he wasn't really a newbie, and C) his name.

Yes the pun is there, and I'm not a huge fan of that, but I think the focus isn't on the pun, the focus is elsewhere. Add that to no other titles really capturing the idea like this one does.

Best Newbie Since '08 gets a special mention for having everything required, but just didn't have the flow.

Decision is made, front page.

[Oman]

also i prefered: Best Newbie Since '08

Weeeeeeell you're late to that party.

I'm happy to have an open discussion about your current title, or a PM one, let me know which you'd prefer.
EDIT: Disregard the end. Missed your last post.

[Oman]

I'm not against it, as if it were offensive or anything, but is giving someone a title for a disorder really the best idea?

[Oman]

Okay ladies and gents: Assassins in the yadda yadda is two lines, and that physically seems impossible in our current code.

For that reason I suggest we move onto one line titles.

I'm happy to put

Goon in the Palace

forward, but it really doesn't do it for me. I mean, I accept it could just be me, so I'm happy to roll it through anyway. I wouldn't mind a few people saying "Considering we can't have two lines: I really like GitP."

Go forward and be men. Stand proud. Make something of yourselves.

[Oman]

I, too, am a fan of premature assassination. I think it's definitely the better option.

If I'm not convinced otherwise (or if the titlee is not a fan) in two or three days, I'll put it up. No use having another Sudo situation.

[Oman]

It's all about being even.

No.

Title Fairy word is law within these confines.
[...]
Titles are subject to the recipient's approval as well as the Title Fairy's, and may be rejected regardless of other support.

Abuse of Power

[Oman]

Speaking of Abuse of Power

zoraster gets Premature Assassination

I think we had plenty of discussion and it's a good title too. Well done all that contributed.

[Oman]

Can't win.

[Oman]

Speaking of Abuse of Power

zoraster gets Premature Assassination

I think we had plenty of discussion and it's a good title too. Well done all that contributed.

So, did I really just see Oman approve a title based on a bad pun?

Man, that sucks.

You used to stand for something, bro.

Now, you've sold out just like the rest of them.

It worked. It wasn't forced, and it wasn't wild and outlandish. I like it enough.

[Oman]

Personally, happier with Welcome to the Haystack. Discussion?

[Oman]

Makes my job easier.

[Oman]

I'm with Flay, all of those titles feel very.....Alabaska is a great way to put it.

[Oman]

Speaking of which.

mithdog

How will Three change the title system? Does it still require jeep addition?

[Oman]

Speaking of which.

mithdog

How will Three change the title system? Does it still require jeep addition?

You ready to try using the ACP to add titles? I can grant you the priv and try to talk you through it...

Not even sure what the ACP is. I'm happy to say that I need to do some reading on what is required before I become an operator instead of a customer.

Any recommendations on how to get that required knowledge base?

[Oman]

Speaking of which.

mithdog

How will Three change the title system? Does it still require jeep addition?

You ready to try using the ACP to add titles? I can grant you the priv and try to talk you through it...

Not even sure what the ACP is. I'm happy to say that I need to do some reading on what is required before I become an operator instead of a customer.

Any recommendations on how to get that required knowledge base?

Well, the nice thing is, we have this handy-dandy archive of titles if you do end up screwing up.

I've given you the priv. The ACP link will show up at the very bottom of your screen, helpfully named "Administration Control Panel". You'll have to re-enter your password. Then you basically follow iamkingdavid's instructions - you should be locked down pretty hard from messing with anything else. Shoot me a PM if you get lost; probably your first task should be to clean up the ones that have now-broken HTML in them, to practice.

What's the issue with the HTML? Is it no longer accepted in titles, or is it just an issue built from the switch?

Regardless, I'll give it a shot, do some reading. If the site dies you know why.

[Oman]

Capital Rage. Explain this to me. If you tell me it's because he rage-posts in capitals,

I drink your milkshake

there will be blood.

To keep you updated, I can create ranks, but not assign them to users, which leaves Flay actually doing the work anyway. As he says, easier than editing the database directly.

[Oman]

(Oh, and FWIW, I don't particularly like Cobalt's; either it's insulting him, or celebrating negative behaviour. Or both.)

Confirm you're invoking Power of Veto here?

Just let me know when you're done with titles, Oman, and I can implement them while I'm thinking about other stuff.

Sorry dude, didn't realise that you expected me to be on this. I was waiting until we got the whole shebang figured out. They'll be done tomorrow, I'll PM confirmation.

[Oman]

Yes, indeed so. Seeing as the HTML has already been stripped, it looks like all I have to do is get the new titles created. Have you able to do it as opposed to jeep himself is speeding it up immensely.

[Oman]

I feel like it's the same argument that I feel validates some of the pun-esque titles. When it comes down to borderline titles, I tend to think about what the focus is, the intent. The intent of Cobalt's isn't to insult him, and it isn't to promote poor behaviour. I honestly don't feel there to be a problem, but I am getting a creeping feeling that you know better than me, mith. However, with all respect to yourself, I disagree with you, and will keep it on the list.

I guess if it does set a bad precedent, and people troll for titles than 1) they were not in line with site philosophy anyway, and were likely to cause problems later; and 2) they will be recognisable and not be given it. And really, bad behaviour for a title? I just don't see it as a feasible threat, but I'll take the brunt of any blow-back.

Thanks for both advice and freedom here, mith.

[Oman]

All of the new titles have been added, just need for 1) Flay to dole them out to you ladies and gents; or 2) for myself to get the priv.

Speediest ever!

[Oman]

Also, for information, looks like the character limit is higher now too.

[Oman]

I don't mind the concept if we can get a good title out of it. It kind of feels like it's a reference of a reference.

This is not an invite for doctor or username puns.

[Oman]

Graduation is tomorrow but I'll jump on this if I'm ever sober again. Sorry for the delay, huge event.

[Oman]

Nah I think that train left the station long ago. Appreciate the thought, but I was just commenting on the new capability that we have.

[Oman]

Is the "ghost" a reference to something?

Oh actually it is referencing the "weep not for me" thing?

[Oman]

I don't know. I've never been a fan of the 'ghost edit' thing personally. I thought it was pretty poor form. Of course, if there is support for it, I'll not stand in its way.

[Oman]

"Weep not for me, for I am dead"

[Oman]

Hate to get this back on track, but Nobody Special:

I like the idea of his midnight woes, and I'm definitely open. From my perspective, subtlety is hilarious, and the Cinderfella line of thought really clicks with me. But yeah, I want to hear a little more discussion on it, I really don't want it to die.

I'm pretty sure Cybele doesn't want it referenced, and neither do I, so I'm happy to let that one go for now and wait until something surfaces. If we ran with He, the She right now, I think we'd be cutting it short and trying to ignore the conversations that happened here. Let's give it a few weeks, then review what we can on that.

[Oman]

Cinderfella seems to be getting a pretty positive response. Going to call on the dissenters now to have their say. Anyone not into this, in a big way?

[Oman]

I'm personally still happy with it encompassing what was a very large part of your history, and a huge element of you being awesome. However, primary concern is that you feel it fits. I'm happy for it to change, but would you have an issue with holding onto it so that we didn't have to go through Mafia Scum and then back to a custom (although with the new system that would be so much easier!)?

Regardless, my personal feelings are that I like WiKid, so I'm out of the guessing game until I can think of something I like as much as that.

Re: Referendum/Just letting me know. I'm against people keeping titles they don't feel fit them, and so I will happily change it without communal involvement, but I'm also against titles being transient. I don't want them to be a flavour of the week thing. Obviously yours is not (having been a long standing title with a large length of deviation), but I just want that to be out there for when the precedent tries to bite me on the arse.

[Oman]

Nominate Stef for "artois"

I refuse to explain myself.

Denied.

Not the only one who can deny, Shea man

[Oman]

I'm really not sure that I get where you're going. I've never seen good titles come out of "X needs a title, we should make one up." I've seen okay titles, maybe mediocre, but never anything lasting.

Best of luck to you...I guess.

[Oman]

I don't get the Virginia/Carolina thing, but I'm happy with it.

VKR seems pretty happy with the whole event. So I'm happy to approve it in it's original form.

For some reason I can't touch mith's first post, looks like I haven't been given the admin rights in the move.

[Oman]

That's added.

[Oman]

Pie in front of me?

Pretty sure it's "penis".

[Oman]

Nominate FATE for

:HAPPY:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p2363545

and it's in caps lawk!

I think this works for me

RE:The other one about PR: I agree with Korts, it's clunky.

Bad PR

works better on its own.

CAPS LAWKE RAGE

is very....overt. I don't have a real problem with it, but it's just such a big statement, it doesn't hide anything, but it's not snappy. Is there something behind LAWKE over LOCK or is an internet phonetic thing like Keffed (qft), Lawl (lol), and the like?

[Oman]

Policy suggestion:

Perhaps if a Title becomes a massive debate that clutters the thread, a new thread gets created in Site Ideas whose topic is said debate?

It's the equivalent of taking it outside.

I'm actually promoting huge debates. The only time I'm "taking it outside" is off topic shit. As it is, I prefer big discussions on titles over one poor suggestion.

[Oman]

You make Robo le sad.

Gonna let Phates run to the end of this week, then lay the smackdown.

[Oman]

I have a really, terrible, probably inappropriate suggestion for Brandi:

Get Off My Ass!

In my personal opinion I suggest this wholeheartedly because it is the greatest, most accurate title suggested in this thread.

Of course, Brandi won't accept ( ) and we'll be left out in the cold. My TF opinion remains reserved until after she responds, but dear god I hope she finds the lolz in this.

[Oman]

Can we drop the Avatar chat? There are already threads for that.

[Oman]

Fate is getting

:HAPPY:

If anyone is Outraged on that call, I'm happy to discuss my reasons.

[Oman]

Yes, I failed. I was running out to dinner as I posted.

[Oman]

If anyone is Outraged on that call

Fitting, I say.

Aye, hence capitalising.

Don't love it, but I can live with it.

So is Brandi's post considered declining my nom, or are we considering it further? Also, remind me at some point I need to figure out how to let you do your own titles...

Yeah, not sure about Brandi. She seemed to like it, but did say "not a great title". I really like it, but whatev.

What do you think, dear?

And yeah, I'll bug you about that one day, when I'm not pissing you off about something else.

[Oman]

I think it's funny but not good for a title, I mean... because of the association is not something I'm really proud of, and it's not just something that's simply embarrassing, it gives me a lot of bad memories as well <_<;

Fair enough - I probably should have asked the followup question about it by PM.

Rescinded, then.

Noted, with my nod to Brandi that I am quite glad she took it in good fun.

[Oman]

Confirm BBcode's status in titles? Good to see HTML is on again.

[Oman]

Yeah against the flaking title. Or more to the point I don't find it incredibly noteworthy as an item. Also Joohoonoo isn't doing too much for me. I don't think they sound close enough to actually get away with that kind of title, Goofy.

[Oman]

How did you become title fairy, Oman?

(I mean, the fairy part is obvious, but...)

It was offered to me by mith. You'd have to ask him for his reasons, but my guess is just staying involved with the thread, and having a personal interest in the site had a lot to do with it.

[Oman]

No, and for pretty good reason too.

[Oman]

For the sake of my sanity, can you highlight the area so I'm not reading through the whole thing, plz

[Oman]

Was Mr. Black the mod hydra?

[Oman]

I like the idea. I'm not sure I'm a huge fan of the title itself, but conceptually it's good. Does anyone (particularly anyone with Chess Mafia cares) have anything to say?

[Oman]

I think referencing the avatar isn't a big issue in this, but I really don't think that "referencing the avatar" is a selling point.

I think Black Ops has a really good feel to it, and has that sort of "mystery, but referencing something" that most titles have. Not that Man in Black isn't good, I just prefer Black Ops at a personal level. What is the big appeal behind Man In Black, doesn't it feel stilted to you too?

[Oman]

If I don't hear major objections I'll put that through in a few days.

[Oman]

VKR's still needs to go up. Other than that, I honestly don't know. The Scummies tags are all conducted above my head, they were there from mith and I haven't touched them. If they are complete let me know.

I've cleaned up what has been done, or didn't need to be there any more.

[Oman]

I don't get the SocioPath thing. Is it about his posting style? I'm not thrilled with the rash of these lately (Fate, etc).

Nobody is. But SocioPath has pretty much always lived up to his username.

Then leave it at that. I don't like the forced attempt at a title here. It doesn't seem necessary, and nothing seems like it fits.

This is how I feel.

I don't understand how "fantastic trainwreck" defines him any better than "SocioPath". Look I've never played with the guy and I honestly can't tell if Vi is trolling or not at the end of the previous page. Maybe I'm out of touch, or maybe I'm a douchebag, but I don't

get

fantastic trainwreck highlighting any of the facts that I know about him from the stories I've been told A) he's funny, B) he's not sociable, C) he angers quickly

The only thing is adding caps lock makes it like him, apparently. I reluctantly went with that on Fate's but don't really seeing it pack any punch here.

[Oman]

I'm really not a fan.

Perhaps it would be easier to understand my objection if I explained my position in an open letter to you all:

The whole problem I had with username/avatar puns was that it was repeating information unnecessarily and making for clutter. We get used to titles we see every day, but start adding caps, colours, and italics, and suddnely these are very eye catching. From a visual perspective, clutter is not a good thing, and the more "Mafia Scum"s, the more flow. My goal in what will be a short reign as Title Fairy, before I am usurped and my head thrust upon a pike (or I do the above to mith and own the site), is to balance the uniqueness of scummers, the fun we have, and the nostalgia titles can give, against the breaking of flow, clutter, and general awkwardness of unique titles. Take a look at most sites that let users set their own titles and someone will have "MAYOR OF AWESOMENESS ZONE" or something chronically mispelled. Hell, look at location, people can't even take that seriously (Ani has "standing right behind you" for example).

So while it seems like I'm being ultimate killjoy sometimes, I think that refusing some titles that just aren't mature or just suck is one of the things that makes mafiascum great. As a community we are more mature, and more professional than most (Guys pt 2 excluded, in fact, let's just disregard Reck on that), and I think this is part of that. So I'm going to stand up for my standards as written, with mith as the authorisation that my rules are in accordance with his idea of the site's direction and culture. The moment that I fall outside of culture, I expect him to pick me up, as I do when the titles fall outside culture.

To be honest, I have a really easy job, because you guys are high-quality and self-policing. I really thank you for that, and I have nothing wrong with suggestions coming forward and being worked on. The major thing that I want you to take away is that I encourage nominations and to work on a title in-thread, and I don't want anyone to take rejection personally.

[Oman]

Oman

I was just making a suggestion, I didn't expect full compliance, there's nothing to apologize for.

Nah bro, just thought it was important that you knew why I was doing what I was doing. I may add that to the first post, or to the wiki or something.


Also, SocioPath did make me laugh with that left shift line.

[Oman]

:HAPPY: is done for Fate.
VRK is done.
Best Performance Mafia image added to CKD, vollkan, and Goatrevolt.
Best Performance Town image added to Empking, KMD, and GIEFF.

I still need to get around to adding all the Most Enjoyable Game images, but other than that I think we're caught up.

Missed this sorry. VKRs isn't displaying, is that just me? I get Mafia Scum for him.

Also, have we looked any more into getting me the power? The whole intention of direct update power to myself is to lighten your load though, so if it's more trouble than it's worth for you, don't bother.

[Oman]

That major flaw was pointed out. Exactly how hard a player is tunneling, and how it affects a game(s) is a matter of much debate. As everyone is saying "I tunnel too" "you haven't played with me", etc.

[Oman]

Standard RC in my opinion.

[Oman]

Oman, are you against a Starcraft reference?

I am against this title, as Ythan said, you're square-peg-round-hole-ing again.

***I'm sick of only the YELLING AND OBNOXIOUS PEOPLE getting titles... this is a refreshing change.

This is not all that refreshing. It's a change, but if that is your rationale...

[Oman]

It's possible. I don't know if you'll get the support though. Personally, I'd love to give the guy townsperson, but then even I would be screaming "abuse of power!"

[Oman]

Where is the ", bitch" coming from?

[Oman]

Title three years in the making

[Oman]

I'm going to bring it up.

Drmyshottyizsik for "The VI has arived."

Too "reward for fail"-esque?

This is not going to happen. Really. People who define themselves into (especially stupid) playstyles with the express intent of titles isn't going to end up with them getting one. As I mentioned earlier, titles are all about user individuality and assimilation into the community. They're not a choice of what you want to be, they're an explaination of who you are.

[Oman]

The saddest part is that

wanting

to be a VI and being super proud of it doesn't make him stand out.

[Oman]

I'm tempted to bin the last 8-10 posts entirely. Seriously, not the place, guys.

Abuse of...no, wait. Thanks for jumping on that.

[Oman]

I have no idea of the reference. Seriously people, you can't expect me to comment on "username - bolded text" and have a steady opinion. Help me to help you.

NINJAEDIT: Ythown'd

[Oman]

How prevalent is this? Within games? Can someone spin me a link or two on that.

[Oman]

No I'm actually pretty happy with that. Most everyone does some kind of crumbing, but it looks like you've been very determined with all of yours, making it recognisable part of your playstyle. I apologise for looking like the dick having to ask the question, but I'm not playing a lot of games, and certainly not with you right now.

On the title itself, is "baker man" all we've got?

[Oman]

The Baker is lame because it's not a pun or alliterative.

Have you ever read this thread? The Baker is awesome for that very reason.

[Oman]

The Baker is lame because it's not a pun or alliterative.

Have you ever read this thread? The Baker is awesome for that very reason.

I was just going to put in alliterative at first but then I thought about it for a bit and added pun just for you.

Breadcrumb baker is too straightforward.

I still like

The Muffin Man

.

That's the point. There are some titles where relatively no one knows why they got them. This should be self-explanatory. I mean, Ythan's is obvious. Vel-Rahn Koon, Fate, KittyMo, Vi, ani; they're all self-evident.

No one's going to know what the Muffin Man is. If you play with me, you'll know why I have the title I have.

P much

[Oman]

"The Baker" is clearly the best one.

I'm with this right now. Still happy that we're in healthy levels of discussion though.

[Oman]

Last chance to make a comment before it goes on. As of now I'm going with

The Baker

due to simplicity, ease of understanding, and lack of puns.

I'll put it up after today, so lets hear it.

[Oman]

Andrius - The Baker is added.

[Oman]

Hey Oman, you need to add Herodotus's Black Ops title to the first post.

Cheers mate, I'm still not up to your standard yet

[Oman]

A pun? Let me sit on it for now. I'll do an official response today.

[Oman]

Pretty sure I didn't object, just wanted to take a 5 on it, if I can find the logs:
[17:02] omanscum: hi guys
[17:02] omanscum: I have questions
[17:03] omanscum: QUESTIONS'
[17:03] *** nuwenshatter has joined the conversation.
[17:06] Drench394: HI OUMAN
[17:06] Drench394: what QUESTIONS'
[17:06] inHimshallibe: do you still have questions?
[17:07] omanscum: title puns
[17:07] omanscum: puns in titles
....
[17:12] inHimshallibe: It flows, good rhythm, and makes sense.
[17:13] omanscum: yeah
[17:13] omanscum: that was my thouhgt
[17:13] omanscum: I just hate selling out



I really liked it, I just wanted to take a hour or so to see if it had any staying power or was just a funny one time image. So you know, a little more trust in me would be awesome, because I don't think I've done anything to say that I'm arbitrary at all in my decisions.

[Oman]

Happy to give

MacavityLock - Impin' ain't Easy

Very happy with it, actually.

Any issues, Vi?

[Oman]

Yeah guys, no need to worry. It was posted in a hurry to work. It will be capsed.

Vi, just wanted to make sure that we're cool. I've put a lot of effort into making sure that you dudes know where I'm coming from at all times and can appreciate me reasoning. It's critical that the checks and balances come from you, the users, the customers, because, quite simply, there is no alternative active.

I hope you never again think that my actions are arbitrary, because in all honesty, they are anything but.

[Oman]

Got it, thanks Rosso.

Oman: First post should be done, including MacavityLock.

Cheers mate. Any progression on getting me the ability to take that off your hands?

Vi: I don't know it, I hardly play and when I do it's with the same six people. Help me out, bro.

[Oman]

Copy all, thanks. Whatever is easiest for you, if that is the current setup, I'm happy to go with it.

[Oman]

I'm really not sold on this. I don't know the player's playstyle, this looks like something I'm going to have to find out myself. Give me time to read a game or two that he's in (fuck you, Vi).

Also, take the time that this will take to create something new too, as it's unlikely that it will be approved in its current form.

[Oman]

Vi, I'm not saying that you haven't explained it. I'm just talking about the huge amount of contention about whether or not it's a viable title. The amount of people who are saying no gives me an instant aversion to it, but it's only fair that I at least take a look at whether this is a "negative" playstyle.

[Oman]

What I said when I gave Ythan his title still stands. I ask that people keep that in mind, that I made the decision with awarness, and that it was never about rewarding bad play.

[Oman]

Mr Flay covered you, thank him.

[Oman]

Scum hunter? Kind of generic and boring isn't it?

[Oman]

I kind of want to pun off of VPB into VIP or something...

No you don't.

[Oman]

My point on username puns is p. simple. They look clunky most of the time, and they don't add anything. See the title fairy wiki for more. Or feel free to ask any direct questions.

I like vp, and I like you guys, but I intend to maintain quality as much as possible.

[Oman]

to put on a serious face for a second >:l The way the titles for VP are going we may as well nominate him for "Plays Mafia"

I agree. I am also banning your title about me being strict, because I am too strict to allow it. Haha, ironic turnaround.

[Oman]

The way the titles for VP are going we may as well nominate him for "Plays Mafia"

The title for banned users should be "Mafiaplayer"

But then there would be people who try to get banned intentionally just to get a "special" title.
You know it'd happen <.<

But...then they'd be banned. Which is a good thing.

[Oman]

Titles is your friend when looking for stories.

[Oman]

It was NK immune SK, actually.

Seriously robo, search for usernames on the titles wiki page.

[Oman]

Plus he's been on site for quite awhile and deserves a title.

This shouldn't be part of the process.

[Oman]

so is that a no on me having a blank title?

For what reason? You didn't really present much other than a technical question: "Can titles be blank?" is what I took away.

The answer is yes, there are no technical limitations on titles being blank.

[Oman]

I want to highlight the last (to my knowledge) title that was given for a sitebug: Zindy.

Zindy got "Miss Popularity" which was a two stage joke, she had the "3,987,293,000 new Private Messages" bug, and also she was a he (with a kitty cat avatar and a girlly name, it was going to happen).

Notice the functional difference between the two? manho gets and SQL Error so his title should be "SQL Error"? No, the essence of a good title is in subtly poking fun at them (of course, if they fuck up hard enough to claim NK-Immune Miller Vig, they deserve to be broadsided) or the situation. It also lacks the timelessness that makes Zindy's a blast, and doesn't represent that manho is anything special in our community except that he once had an error in Isolated posts. I think it's also important to note that Ythan was nominated for an error based title during the "Welcome to the Haystack" decision. I think we can all agree that his current title beats "Error, too much posts" or whatever.

As usual, if you don't understand my position I'm happy to explain further, but I think you should be able to see where I'm coming from.

[Oman]

I'm not entirely sure what caused Hoopla's, but yes, you'd be right, she is a more recent example.

[Oman]

Though I don't support a player getting a title for something like this,

ISO Immune is way too obvious, a title playing off the inability to isolate them would be better rather then just flat out stating it.

Hi mith, we found my replacement. TBM, when I place mith's head on a pike and own this land, you shall be my title lieutenant-commander.

[Oman]

Pulp Fiction

To well associated with the bad mother fucker himself.

I like brings out the flavour.

[Oman]

That doesn't seem like a good title, IMO. Needless nameplay, rewarding poor play, and to be frank, being scummy doesn't help you stand out of the crowd. I haven't played with him, so I can't judge how appropriate it is, but I'm not a fan.

Besides, a quick look at the linked thread seems to show me, that the problem isn't appearing scummy, but rather significantly screwing up.

Agreed.

Plus, Oman seems unusually averse to having titles that play off of usernames, so... yea.

If you think my aversion is unusual, you haven't been reading my posts.

Anyway, as was guessed, I'm not a fan because of the reasons that Michel has said. I understand that I've been against the last few titles, and I don't want people to think that I'm just a grumpy old man right now. I think there have been a few good ones, and if I don't hear anything special over the next few days

Brings Out The Flavour

will be implemented. <3

[Oman]

It's their gears of war Xbox thing.

Alabaska J is probably closer to the truth, but not quite (Threadjacker was kind of fun).

[Oman]

I title based on three games doesn't really seem like it has staying power to me.

*shrug*

My title is based off a single game from 2007. I think

Hot Streak

has merit to it, personally.

I agree. Shea do you remember your brother's title

[Oman]

BotF is being updated, and as for this Robocopter run...I'll let it grow it's own legs. I personally am not excited about Zaphod Beeblebrox as a title, even if the idea has merit (which I'm not buying yet either).

I took a weekend break from Title Fairy thread because I needed a break to reboot my feelings and review where titles were heading as a whole.

Anyway, BotF is on the front page now, so that should keep me up to date.

[Oman]

Izzy

I really like the "On Fire" theme ("Flaming Homosexual"? ) but she's probably not going to enjoy it. Izzy?

RichardGHP

I prefer Paramalt to Parama's Alt simply because it's misleading. Those who don't know could think that "Parama's alt" is informative rather than a joke. Not a bad theme in the end.

Colo(u)rblind

- I don't get it, I haven't seen this "meme" but it doesn't look especially reflective of any player. \

Also split the hell out of the America Discussion. Go find it in GD under "heard of america?" That's abuse of power, bitches.

[Oman]

It had a question mark next to it (not added by me), and the first time it wasn't complete. Wasn't really sure what it was all about. Good to know we can move forward from that now.

[Oman]

lol whole topic got moved

Probably because I was trying to avoid extraneous posts here

[Oman]

Nominate Equinox for

Is this spot taken?

About 7/8 of his games have been him replacing in.

Is that 7 8ths or 7 out of 8. That is, are we talking about 8 games total, or 87%

And yeah, still wholey underwhelmed by the Colour meme. Thanks Andrius.

[Oman]

I haven't seen Equinox in a while. Newbie 945 was THE BEST NEWBIE GAME EVER. I just remember it being totally awesome.

I haven't seen Ellibereth in a while either... he won that game with style, valor, honor, nobility, courage, bravery, and everything else thats cool and heroic.

He totally owned me. Like, he totally fooled me. And it was like the best slap to the face ever.

You have a really bad habit of not adding anything to the conversations we have.

Edit: Letting Equinox's run for a while. I'll weigh in later.

[Oman]

Okay, I'm currently on the road, and part of that means that after driving for like 10 hours, the last thing I want to do is deal with this shit. For that reason, I am super pissed off at Shotty's attitude and the sense of entitlement he brings.

I will say that he will not be getting Goon or Townsperson, because as far as I see it, those titles are not a punishment, they're a progression. We don't look down on goons on this site, we accept them as the newbies, and watch them progress. I hope that

nobody

that has posted here, all who I enjoy, and most I'd call friends, would berate another member simply for not being here as long as you. Now can we all stop filling the thread with nths and attitude? He's pointless, we all know it. I hardly have the power to stop that.

Shotty: you will not get a title. I don't mean right now, I mean whilever I am title-fairy. I will be recommending to the next title fairy that you maintain on the blacklist. Simply because you represent what is wrong with mafiascum's title culture right now: the idea that ANY TITLE IS A GOOD TITLE! It's wrong, you're wrong, and I dislike the way you treated this location, the people in it, and me. A little respect would not hurt you, kid.

Regarding

Is This Spot Taken

. I've been thinking about it over the drives for the last few days and I can honestly say I don't find it appropriate or interesting. I really don't think "that guy who replaces a lot" is a definitive personality trait that warrants a title. That said (and before I get flamed and Abuse of Powered) I think it's awesome that he does it, and have a lot of respect for him. I recommend that rather than a title this is taken to the Scummies thread and nomminated under an award there.

[Oman]

But in seriousness, someone coming to the title thread and saying 'I've been here 6 months, title me now!' should not be given a title as a matter of policy. I'm pretty sure Oman would agree with me on this, even though we tend to disagree on his titling policy at times.

This. That's why I suggested what I did. I think everyone who comes in whining for a title should either not get one, or should get "Goon" or "Townsperson".

Second

Seriously guys. I agree with the decision too,

I will say that he will not be getting Goon or Townsperson, because as far as I see it, those titles are not a punishment, they're a progression. We don't look down on goons on this site,

Apparently you don't.


Anyway, I prefer to hear feedback with each decision, especially those ones that I make contrary to a large consensus. I don't care if it is PMed to me, put in the thread, or on AIM. I need to know that what I'm doing is or isn't on the right line with how you guys want titles distributed. I do the same thing with mith, allowing him to nudge me if I fall out of line with his expectations.

You may see them as the metaphorical BJs, and while I admit that I'm chuffed with some of the compliments, to me they are a good yardstick to measure my decisions by. More telling is the fact that you still push for this goon thing, meaning you disagree with my decision and feel strongly enough to continue it. You see what I mean about feedback, it's critical, man. However, getting bitter at people because they do agree with me, and you don't, well that's pretty childish right there.

[Oman]

No, he isn't. The chess tags are some phpbb3 script our mods found during the switch, it's ridiculously simple to use, and the current wave of chess games was started by Sudo.

<3 Thanks Yaw.

[Oman]

Current Policy doesn't rule out puns, it just defines how stupid I find 99% of them.

If you people could make a good pun, or make one a week instead of 47 a day, I'd be happy.

[Oman]

Vi's is in the works already. I think Flay is looking at restoring it, if not we'll go through this channel.

Thanks for the enthusiasm though dudes.

[Oman]

Oman, I was waiting for your approval. I'm not going to restore it automagically since technically it was just a Scummy title, not a TF title.

I'm all for it, Vi has expressed interest, and there hasn't been any massive objection (nor can I expect one).

I'm happy for it to be restored.

I laughed as Asstoot, I really did, and yes requesting titles is silly, but let's just let that go

[Oman]

Look at the people on this site who have titles. They're not just handed out like candy, usually. Hey, look, I'm modding an entire SERIES of games on Lost, maybe we should make me a title to reference Lost! /sarcasm

If they're decent games and you have no other particularly relevant defining characteristics, why not?

All of these things are what people are generally well-known for...it's what gives their title character. Nobody, except for the handful of people who have actually PLAYED in DKU's superhero games (and I'm one of them, for the record) would know/get/appreciate his title.

Kise has an entire series of games based on Square-Enix, where's his title?
Dramonic has an entire group of games based off of obscure/not amazingly popular JRPGs, where's his title?
I could pull out a thousand more examples, but you get it.

We can go the other way with that though.

What off earth does "Lyrical Rampage" mean?

(and why doesn't that title have something to do with Mith's Minions?)

I'm not Patrick's Rantbuddy (although he has had the misfortune of reviewing my setups, so I can give him some slack)
IH is "Always Scum"? Really?
When's the last time Yos2 (shrug)ged that anyone has seen?
I wasn't in PBuG's "I Win" game, should I care?
Ditto Oman's "NK Immune Miller Vig".
Ditto EmpTyger's "It's a JOKE!".
Ditto Talitha's "Dr. Death".
Ditto Thesp's "Supersaint".
Norinel got a somewhat odd title for laughable vote count skills ("Not Voting (3)"), but why should bad modding be commended?
Was "9 Years Old"

really

the best we could do for ShadowLurker?
"Yawesome". Enough said.
Is getting 62545 (or however many it was) PMs via a board glitch worth a title? It happened to me, so it's nothing special; that title should be stricken immediately.
All of these "I want a title" titles ("Unique", "Famewhore", "More /in than you!", "Entitled", etc.) can amscray as well...

You get the idea. I'm not in favor of taking any of these titles away; in fact, I would actually prefer if we WERE less strict about who gets titles. It seems like at this stage, you either need to win two Scummies at once, have a visible GD presence (Mafia what?), have a grating playstyle, or have ~*~connections~*~ in the social community to get a title. Before, granted the community was smaller so more people saw these things, but handing titles out was much more casual.

As for Kise and dramonic, why aren't people suggesting them?

Although I suspect that dram's title would relate to you in some way rather than his games.

Vi is entirely right, however, so is Reckoner. Now I'll get off the fence, pull the splinters from my arse, and explain.

Regarding Vi's points: There has been a significant cultural shift in titles throughout Thokreign and then progressing into mine. Previous titles from another era is not the right yardstick by which to judge upcoming titles (and that will be as true for the next cultural shift, whether I am fairy or not). Of the 17 titles that you gave as examples only two are really given within the last year or two (That's mine and Erg0's) and the others are from the era when titles were an expectation. If you take a look at the original Title Fairy Threads (or Dance of the Title Fairy) there are comments where people say "hey I just hit the post requirement" and then people start on titles. Is that where we want our titles to be? I think a cultural shift should be recognised such that we don't judge the new group of titles off the old ones.

That said, regarding Reck: I've found it incredibly difficult to judge titles that I personally haven't been a part of, especially now that I'm not playing mafia. I think that you're experiencing that as well, just have a think about it, and if you still feel this way, then give me something more than "no" to work with.


Hi Chaz!

[Oman]

Vi, I certainly appreciate that some people have different opinions on the title system than I, but executive decisions will always be made in accordance with the doctrine I set out on the first post. Taking a step back that policy was drawn from old policy, general opinion, and my personal ideas. And people have said to me that they don't want titles being handed out like candy (VPB obviously believe otherwise).

The best way I've ever heard it put was by Shea "A title should be 'Yup, that's X, alright!'" And I don't know how others feel, but I don't think this *is* X.

[Oman]

Sensfan played a suicide bomber, he hit scum in N0, killing himself and half the scumteam.

[Oman]

Reck's Title isn't changing. Apart from the name being in flux such that two weeks from now it may have a different number, it's just a pointless change.

Titles are less about the words than the spirit, dudes.

[Oman]

The following people need to change their attitude or shut up:
Shotty
ReaperCharlie
Xalxe
Ythan

that's about it. All for own reasons. Take your arguments elsewhere because the more you argue the more people white knight (or post "Test posts" LAWL!).

Lets just move along, this isn't the right place for it, nor the best place for it. Make a thread in 62 saying that Ythan needs to disappear or something. Don't clutter this forum with petty shit.

[Oman]

People should stop nominating idiots for titles that brand them as idiots. For one, it doesn't make them feel shame in any way; nor is it funny--it hasn't been for the last three years or so. So yeah, there are users who are so thick you just can't get over it. They're dumb, they're annoying, they're a bad poster, we get it, we see their posts too and we can

fucking tell

. If you have no creative and amusing way of mocking them, get your fingers off the keyboard. Off the keyboard, singer.

So my suggestion for everyone except shaft.ed is to learn to ignore those who are below a margin of minimum intellect.

[Oman]

I'm only going to say this one more time:

This isn't forum 62.

Think before you post.

[Oman]

Just so that everyone knows: I am reading these, but I know Zero about lovecraft besides that it contains Cthulu.

So I'm letting all of you young guns run for a while and we'll see what happens.

[Oman]

Rainbow Robot Cthulhu is a fantastic title. I approve!

I will also now write a game based on blending these two flavours together, for when SAIII finished

I am probably as ambivalent as it's possible to be on this, but it looks.like a decision has been made. Approved, will update when I get home.

[Oman]

Don't get on your high-horse, RC, if I deleted all the pointless posts I'd say a third would be yours.

[Oman]

Excellent idea, Shaft.ed.

This thread is taking a break for three reasons: The first is that I need to clean it up, and that's easier when people aren't adding more, the second is that I intend to punch an annual report off to mith, and I don't want this to be the gear that I'm reporting, and finally it's because I hate hate hate the culture here at the moment. I know the issues, I'm not blaming anyone, but I feel physically averse to reading this thread with the way people treat each other and behave. I appreciate that there is a large amount of immaturity on the site at the moment, but I do not enjoy the way it's bleeding into here.