Mini 50 (Newer York Confidential) Game Over!

[Fishbulb]

I'm confused, JazzRed. Why would it not be the other way around? Tigris killed by Mafia, PolarBoy by SK? Makes more sense that way, to me. But maybe I missed something...

[Fishbulb]

But "lone assassin" doesn't necessarily = SK.

In the games I've been mafia, we always had to pick someone to do the killing. If the rest were followed (or whatever) that night, they'd come up innocent and such. So theoretically, even if a mafia group was involved, it still could've been a lone assassin.

Not that I'm arguing with you here, just want to make sure we don't shut down all possibilites too quickly.

[Fishbulb]

I agree completely. I'm not saying "I have the answer" here. It's possible this game is using a basic mafia mechanism, maybe one like I mentioned, or a completely new one that we couldn't even begin to guess. So, while it is tempting to make assumptions, I was just wanting to keep our minds open to many possibilities since I do not agree that a "lone assassin" = SK. Please read my last sentence in that post again.

[Fishbulb]

NO VOTE means that I just dont want to randomly piss anyone off by voting for them while havin no evidence.

There is a difference between no vote (which is what you sounded like you meant to do) than a

No Lynch

(which is what you actually did). And you don't have to Vote: No Vote, just don't vote.

This whole PBuG thing is confusing me big time. Since I am not a member of either mafia group, I'm not sure what is going on here. Sorry for not being much help, yet. Every time I come to this thread, I am left scratching my head.

[Fishbulb]

Well, I definitely trust you so far, JazzRed. I don't think you'd put yourself on the line if you were really scum. And I'm not saying that I'm confused at what you've been saying, just confused at what kind of a scenario we have here. It would be helpful to hear what more characters we have out there, but obviously it would be a bad idea if everyone role-claimed right at the start. I guess it will become clearer as the days continue on.

[Fishbulb]

Fishbulb (Because he was eager not to cause conflict over the killings

Huh? First of all, how would that make me scum. Second, how on earth could you say that I was "eager not to cause conflict"? That seems like an oxymoron, to me. Besides, I certainly didn't say anything about conflict, just to not listen to you. Since I am not a member of either mafia, I wouldn't have the inside information that you had to make that kind of assumptions. Granted, you knew something other's didn't (which we now know), but at the time of posting, it just looked like you pulled those "answers" out of thin air. I didn't want everyone to just join in; I wanted everyone to think for themselves. How that makes me evil, I have no idea.

In fact, up until your last post, I was going to join you on this (PBuG just didn't seem right to me), but why throw around a bunch of random suspicions? In this first day, there isn't enough to go on to say someone is suspicious. I am thinking we should go for those staying quiet who have had no comment on the whole mafia vs. mafia thing (FinalFear, rite, viarstultega). But I know that probably won't be the popular choice.

I have the strangest feeling both you and PBuG are telling the truth. I look at it this way. Each of your stories are strange enough that if one is true, the other one is likely to be true, as well. Why waste an innocent if it can be avoided? We got all the info on PBuG and JazzRed. It will all be verified through the coming nights and days. I say, go for the lurkers. Has Viarstultega even posted?

[Fishbulb]

Hmpf... No comments on the main point of my post. Here, I'll quote the meaningful part, maybe most of you were just daunted at the length of the whole post.

I have the strangest feeling both [JazzRed] and PBuG are telling the truth. I look at it this way. Each of your stories are strange enough that if one is true, the other one is likely to be true, as well. Why waste an innocent if it can be avoided? We got all the info on PBuG and JazzRed. It will all be verified through the coming nights and days. I say, go for the lurkers. Has Viarstultega even posted?

So, any one have anything to say about that?

If it's either PBuG or JazzRed, however, I think I will still vote for PBuG.

[Fishbulb]

If there are any living cops, could they inform us on their investigations?

No! Maybe you are new, so I'll give you a break, but that is not a good idea. First of all, the last thing we want is the bad guys knowing who the cops are (if there are any left). And if a cop got information useful for this first day, there would already be hinting... but if we miss the hint, it is up to the cop to decide if they want to tell everyone since it might be a good idea to wait and see what they find in the next night or so. Cops can be paranoid, insane, and many other messed up things that aren't known until a few more investigations are done.

Vote: Viarostultega

Come on out and join in.

[Fishbulb]

What about it mod? Reminder to Viaros? Wait for a replacement? Or continue on?

[Fishbulb]

I'm with you, gslamm. If you were pro-town, the last thing you would ask is for a doc to come out.

vote:FinalFear

Starting at 4:00pm EST today, I will be on vacation until Monday.

[Fishbulb]

Well, I wish I had an explanation to give you. I have no idea what that newspaper has to do with anything... especially, why is that front page material? Anyway, I did not receive any information about this newspaper business. I'm guessing someone has some sort of ability to investigate someone, and instead of a pm they get the results in the morning newspaper. Just a guess.

Back to the main business at hand, I'm staying with FF for now.

[Fishbulb]

I'm not sure what else to go on here. Fishbulb didn't do anything suspicious last night,(per the paper) and there was no mafia kill last night. Hmmm... How 'bout it Neighbor?

Yes, it was just a coincidence, trust me. I did the same thing both nights. I wonder if it might be worth it to go after JazzRed? It might answer some more questions.

[Fishbulb]

Unvote: FinalFear

I'm sure I don't need to reiterate what others have said, but just in case: Read the rules!

Anyway, I'm not sure where to look now. I guess we just need to wait to see what happens with Jasonpingpong. The biggest problem with newbies, is that you can't tell if they are lurking because they are scum, or just not here.

[Fishbulb]

Why did you do that, gslamm? No one was asking us to role claim...

I'm leaning more towards Riven. Anyone with me?

[Fishbulb]

I did that hoping to jumpstart some direction to the game. Note I haven't revealed my role or yours (which I know),

Yeah, I already knew you were Friendly, even before your hint on Page 4. Just thought it would be better to keep it quiet for now. But you are probably right, it's not that big of a deal and it will help move things forward.

Vote: Riven

[Fishbulb]

Actually, I was the one that started the Riven voting. That was mostly because we don't really know much about him. And what else do we have to go on? I wanted to push JazzRed earlier, mostly to clear all of that up, but got minimal support.

We need to go in some direction, rather than just random voting. All we have is that JazzRed is a mafia/mason, and everyone already knows about FinalFear, gslamm, and me. Unless someone else is hiding some information they got over the past couple nights, we have nothing else to go on.

[Fishbulb]

If you are a mason, there has to be another mason. If you actually are scum, then your fellow scum would not join in since the truth will be discovered soon enough. It might be in the town's best interest for the rest of the "masons" to come out while you are still alive to confirm it. If no one wants to, then you are lying.

It is certainly not "pointless" to have more masons come out. What's the worst that could happen? The scum knows who the innocents are already, and most of us are out in the open anyway. I think we should finish off this whole mafia mason discussion once and for all.

Unvote: Riven

Vote: JazzRed

Either another mason better come out, or I say we lynch him.

[Fishbulb]

Let's definitely give him a chance. I don't want to vote him out if he is telling the truth, but we need someone to vouch for him. Anyone?

[Fishbulb]

Should have put in the rules that votes may be lost if you put them at the end of a longish line.

Hehe...

That's why I always try to put my votes on their own lines.

[Fishbulb]

Yeah, I was just thinking we should head in Night Stalker's direction. Might as well get it all out in the open.

Vote: Night Stalker

Just to help put on more pressure...

[Fishbulb]

CoolBot is telling the truth. I did a background check on him night 2, and got exactly what he stated.

[Fishbulb]

Yes, I agree. Explain yourself a little further, gslamm.

[Fishbulb]

gslamm, if Riven is guilty, wouldn't that mean I likely am, too? And if I am, doesn't that mean fishbuld (who you claimed you checked and found innocent) is, too? I mean, we both went out of our way to defend someone.

Just for the record, I wasn't defending you at all. I was just stating that your roleclaim was correct, not that you were innocent. I find it unlikely that you would be a Researcher without some sort of researcher ability, and then I find it unlikely that you would have this researcher ability

and

be the killer. But it is possible, and I do not confirm your

innocence

, just that you are indeed a Researcher for Town Hall.

I don't know if I like your plan JazzRed. There are still too many pieces that do not fit. I don't believe lynching Riven will give us enough information to say that gslamm is guilty or Night Stalker, either way. If you can make it clearer why either outcome will give us the perfect answer, I am with you. But right now, we could just end up with two more dead and not any closer to capturing the real scum.

Unvote: Night Stalker

While this might seem frustrating, I don't think we should hurry a lynch today. It feels like we are making progress, and we might get this solved without having to lynch any more innocents.

[Fishbulb]

Still don't like it JazzRed. I will not be joining you in this plan. I'm sorry, but I do not trust you any more than Riven, gslamm, or Night Stalker. I don't think sacrificing two innocents to have one confirmed innocent is acceptable. I know that is just a worst-case scenario, but it is still a possible outcome. There has to be another way.

I would really like to hear other's opinions on this plan. We do not have to rush today's lynch, and anyone who does will look suspiciously like scum to me, at least.


To

Night Stalker

:
In case you missed it earlier, please answer the question: Have you used your ability? If so, who were your target(s)?

[Fishbulb]

Riven claims Fishbulb met with nobody night one while I was investigating him, and he was I'm sure investigating somebody (I dont think he's stated who.

Yes, I did a background check night 1 and 2. But that is different than an investigation; I just go through paperwork all by myself. Hence the newspaper report that I did nothing on night 2 as well.

I am beginning to think we should no lynch today. Do some final investigations/reporting/following whatever abilities we got. And then report back in the morning if there was a kill and tell everyone what we found out. Anyone who lies will be made obvious. And, at the most we will just lose one innocent (as long as our vigilante's agree).

[Fishbulb]

I also think Fishbulb's claim least likely of the bunch.

I haven't claimed, though. I am a cop, if that helps.

I still think No Lynch is the way to go. Then someone can follow Night Stalker and Final Fear and determine the killer that way. At most, we lose one innocent and we have our answer bright and early tomorrow. And, if nothing happens, we know that all that's left is vigilante's, and we can have a "happily ever after".

[Fishbulb]

JazzRed: Carnegie Mafia mason
Someone: Carngie Mafia mason

Night Stalker: Symphony Mafia Vigilante
DEAD PBuG: Symphony Mafia Bodyguard (supposedly pro town)

gslamm: Sergeant Friendly (Cop)
Fishbulb: Captain Neighbor (Cop)
FinalFear: Police Chief Goodman (Cop)

CoolBot: Town Hall Researcher

Riven: Reporter

DEAD Tigris: Lt. NiceGuy (Cop)
DEAD PolarBoy: Captain Happy (Crooked Cop)
DEAD Rite: Shards (Thief)

Just wanted to clean that up a little...

[Fishbulb]

Well, I know you weren't specifically talking to me, but I am standing by my No Lynch. The more I reread the past couple days, the more I think it is the best way to go. Last night we only had one killing, and Night Stalker has already taken the credit for that. If he is just a vigilante, he can choose not to kill tonight, and then we won't have a kill. If we do have a kill, then we know it was him all along and can lynch him first thing. We just need a few of our cops and reporters to check out the rest of the holes and then we should have all our answers tomorrow. My plan's "worst-case scenario":

one dead innocent

. Your plan's "worst-case scenario":

two dead innocents

. I like mine.

To quote myself (because I think it is important):

If nothing happens, we know that all that's left is vigilantes, and we can have a "happily ever after".

I still think there is a good chance of this.

[Fishbulb]

if I was mafia, couldn't I also choose not to kill?

Yes, please do. I'll tell you what I think, that the mafias are innocent. That there is just a serial killer on the loose here, and rather than wasting time trying to figure out who did it, we can take a night to gather more info. If someone dies, we know it's not over, and we will have gotten some info on a lot more of you. If no one dies, it's either game over, or we do have a mafia, but we will have gotten a lot more info to discuss here with the loss of.... nothing. I still think it's the smart move here.

Did all the cops know who each other were? It appears that Fishbulb and gslamm, at very least, knew each other. Did you know FinalFear, Tigris, and PolarBoy? FinalFear, who did you know was a cop when the game started?

I'm assuming we all got the same list of cops that were in the game, but none of us knew who the other cops were. But I did a background check on gslamm, FinalFear already roleclaimed, and the rest are dead. I just put it all together.

[Fishbulb]

We have to make sure and do some investigating tonight, though. And the vigilantes should definitely not kill anyone. If everyone is telling the truth, there should be no deaths tonight, so no reason to make this more confusing by killing someone on a hunch.

[Fishbulb]

Oops, guess I never voted...

Vote: No Lynch

Investigators, we need to look at Night Stalker, as well as JazzRed and Someone. We need to get to the bottom of this whole Symphony/Carnegie Mafia deal.

[Fishbulb]

What I don't like about this whole no lynch is what if some of the "inspectors" are mafia who are just trying to get a free kill.

What?? I am the main one (only until just recently) that wanted a No Lynch. And so far, I am one of the main players that wasn't a possible lynchee. That's fine if you don't like it, but your reason makes no sense. They don't get a free kill anyway. If we don't know who they are, we will most likely lynch an innocent. No matter what we do

if

there is scum left, they will get a kill tonight. Might as well not take a chance at getting lucky on today's lynch. Let them have their "free kill". We will have more info, and a real chance at catching them tomorrow. I'd see your point if we knew who to kill, but I have yet to hear a valid argument about going for any certain person.

And, I am not an "inspector", I am a cop; plain and simple. I said investigators, earlier, if that's what you meant, to include the cops as well as CoolBot and Riven.

We will get to the bottom of this tonight. You can't kill all of us.

Captain Neighbor

[Fishbulb]

I Agree with the No-Lynch plan, BUT it has 1 flaw at the moment. There is still someone other than the vigilantes with a night kill ability. We need the machine gunners kill to be resolved before you get a no-lynch vote from me.

I wonder if there is more than one bad cop?
I wonder if the Masons are really just that?

Perhaps PBuG was the player witht he machine gunning kill on Night 1, which could explain why it didnt happen on Night 2?

Yes, these are all questions I have as well. All of which I am expecting to find answers for tonight. I didn't want to state these; afraid it might give a lot of my theories away. I am expecting a kill tonight, and I am also expecting it to be against me. But with so many of us having an ability, I am not that concerned. After everyone compares notes and go back over the role claims, I think we will have an answer to the Carnegie vs. Symphony issue. One innocent for three (possibly four) more investigations is a much better trade off than anything else we could pull off today.

What are all of your abilites, gslamm? We need to make sure and maximize our investigations tonight.

[Fishbulb]

Are you really paying attention? The only one who has that ability that you described is CoolBot. That is all. The rest of us have a completely different style of investigation. While there are several cops, the only one with a cop-like ability is CoolBot.

That kinda sucks that you don't have anything better, gslamm. I'm not sure a name would be helpful at all right now. As far as a duplication of abilities, so far none of them are duplicates. You check name, CoolBot checks motive, Riven checks associates, and I do background checks. So they are all different. Only real issue is that none of them are particularly useful by themselves. But I am hoping if we focus on the mafia members, we will get something to help us out with the confusion. Not sure what, but it's much better than a random lynch at this point. If we were to lynch someone, however, I'd say let's go for Someone. Sure it's just random, but he's the only one who's been quiet for a while, as if he is trying to not get involved with any serious discussion. But I'm not sure you'd be such a fan of that plan either, JazzRed.

[Fishbulb]

Well, the mod is on vacation until the 2nd, so no need to rush. I'd really like to hear what some of you who haven't said much (FinalFear, Night Stalker, CoolBot) think about my idea. We really need to hear what everyone thinks.

[Fishbulb]

Well, we can't do

anything

with just the four of us. Where is everyone? I'd like to hear other ideas here. I'm open to anything.

If everyone would rather lynch someone, then I say we lynch Someone. Obviously, I'll need some more help here, since I doubt JazzRed would vote for him. But he hasn't said anything much here, feels like he is hiding something.

[Fishbulb]

I thought of that, too. But it isn't just black and white. I am a cop, but it pretty much is the same as the rest of the role claims. I want the killings to stop. However, I cannot speak for gslamm and FinalFear. But since gslamm had an investigative ability (which he demonstrated), I don't see him having a killing role, as well. That being said, I am not ruling it out.

[Fishbulb]

Yea! More people finally understand my original plan. Worst case scenario: We're wrong; someone dies; we get some new investigations. Doesn't look too bad, people.

So, is that three for No Lynch? You gonna put your vote on it, Someone?

[Fishbulb]

No, no killing tonight. That is the whole point. If you choose to kill someone, the odds are too great that you will kill an innocent. Let's go through a night and see what happens.

[Fishbulb]

Alright everyone. So it's not over yet. At least now we can rule out JazzRed and Someone.

[Fishbulb]

Why would a vigilante kill night 1? Unless you're a hella stupid vig (who killed a cop!) there is no way you can explain making a kill night 1.

He doesn't have to. That was Viarostultega, a newbie. We've already been over this. ...Not that I am exonerating Night Stalker.

[Fishbulb]

Someone and JazzRed did not kill last night. I can assure you of that. Who did you inspect last night?

[Fishbulb]

Too much to quote here...

First off, I followed JazzRed last night. I found, basically, the same exact thing that was posted in the newspaper. I realize now, the best bet would've been to come out with who we plan to investigate before last night, so we wouldn't waste abilities on the same players. The main reason I decided against it was that whoever is scum could just kill off the player targeting him. So, I wasted my check. At least we know the newspaper is legit, whether or not Riven is.

Ant that brings me to what is happening right now. First off, I have no affiliation with anyone, except that I knew who the other cops' names were (but not the players) at the beginning of the game. I figured out who gslamm is because I did a background check on him night 1. Not as mysterious as you tried to make it sound, Riven. At this point, the only people I have cleared are Someone and JazzRed. Night Stalker, FinalFear, Riven, and even gslamm are all suspects on my list. Even though gslamm and FinalFear are cops, I still think there is a definite possibility of more crooked cops still around. I need to do some serious thread reading and then I will try to have one worth voting for, but I am not going to take sides in this pointing match with Riven and gslamm.

Right now, I want to hear more from FinalFear and Night Stalker. What are your thoughts? This is endgame, so you have to have at least some sort of input here.

[Fishbulb]

FishBulb: You "followed" JazzRed ? What happened to

"Yes, I did a background check night 1 and 2. But that is different than an investigation; I just go through paperwork all by myself. Hence the newspaper report that I did nothing on night 2 as well.

Maybe you missed or misunderstood EVERY post about the newspaper! Riven says you were alone

"NIGHT ONE"

and Jazzred and Someone were together

"NIGHT TWO"

We get the paper a day late. So even if you "followed" JazzRed last night (night three) it confirms nothing.

I haven't misunderstood anything about the newspaper. I have misunderstood this post, however. I'm really not sure what you are talking about so I don't know how to respond. I was alone night 1 and 2, because I did

Research

and check on you and CoolBot (respectively). Last night, I chose to do

Legwork

and follow JazzRed. Since I did follow JazzRed last night, I can confirm that neither he nor Someone could've involved with the killing of CoolBot. I don't see how we could have two completely different sets of killers, one that killed last night, and then another today. They are most likely the same people. It's not going to look good for you if you are really trying to make Someone and JazzRed suspects again. Let's move on.

[Fishbulb]

I don't see it as being so simple. FinalFear and Night Stalker are serious possibilities as well. And if Night Stalker doesn't speak up, that is where my vote is going. He said he would post his theories after the weekend...

[Fishbulb]

Remember, Riven invesitgated them on Night 2 (when there wasn't a "mafia" kill) and not last night, when there was.

Not this again...

I followed JazzRed last night. He just met with Someone in a diner. That is all

. They couldn't have done it.

When I first joined this game, after reading the thread, I found myself thinking "if both mafias are innocent... then maybe the cops are the killers?"

I thought that, too. In fact, getting the names of five other cops, even before I saw that a "corrupt cop" was killed, I knew one or more of them had to be scum. And I still believe that. If you think it is just flat out, Cops = Scum, I can assure you that is not the case. I cannot, however, give credibility to gslamm or FinalFear. They are both as suspicious as you in this, and if anyone has a good reason to go for any of them, I'm all for it.

Gslamm: If you're guilty, you've done an excellent job acting innocent. I find you far less suspicious then your police compatriots. Still, someone I trust has fingered you as guilty.

Why do you trust him so much? More later...

FinalFear: The most suspicious behaving of the cops. (Not to mention he voted me today.). On the other hand, he had the guts to post his role. Based on that and his name, he seems less likely to be part of the killing team then our other two cops.

Guts? How about not following the rules? How about most likely faked anyway?

And finally:

Riven: Posted a role claim, and backed it up. I'm inclined to believe him. (her?) Doesn't show any signs of being evil or insane. The only non-cop investigator left. The only weird thing is some typos in your role claim. It would suck to get lynched because the mod made a typo...

Back to this... Why is it you trust him so much? Granted, he was most likely telling the truth since he can't fake the newspaper thing through Mneme, but why are you so trusting? In a game as crazy as this, you would realize that anything is possible, he might not be on your side, so why are you clinging so tightly to him?

Anyway, I'll list mine in order of suspiciousness, but won't bother with reasons since I have posted them several times. Most to least:

gslamm + Night Stalker (tie)
FinalFear
Riven

Basically, someone needs to get me off the fence on gslamm and NS before I will vote. Some real evidence one way or another. I'm just about sold on Riven's innocence, but I still have a lagging doubt.

[Fishbulb]

How about this then..

i followed gslamm, and found him with CoolBot last night!!

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Sorry! I think I ignored it at the time since it seemed like you were just trying to pin it on him. Like I said, I don't entirely trust you. However, we will find out tomorrow if the newspaper isn't about gslamm and CoolBot. I don't think we have to worry about being outnumbered since it's obvious that of the remaining four, that not ALL of them are evil. Maybe two, but not all four. If gslamm is innocent, we'll lose another tonight, then tomorrow we will know the truth about Riven, FinalFear, and Night Stalker. And that is a worst case scenario. I think it will work.

[Fishbulb]

What are you suggesting here? another no lynch.. thats sounds scummie to me.

Oops, sorry again. While I was typing all of that, I was agreeing with everything you had said. I was going to close with a vote on gslamm, but before I hit send I saw the FinalFear comment was added and I erased the vote to hear discussions about that.

[Fishbulb]

With Fishbulbs plan we have a possibility of two -vs- two and that = scum win.

Not my plan. That was Riven's. If you are confused, make sure and read all of the posts. I think I managed to screw up the general idea of that post, but I did clear it up soon after.

[Fishbulb]

As for the newspaper I willing to believe Riven has demonstrated he is behind writing it. It's the investigations he claims that I have trouble with for obvious reasons.

I would agree with you here, except for the last two newspapers had nothing. Why would he bother fabricating that I did nothing Night 1, and JazzRed and Someone were seen doing nothing on Night 2? Just doesn't make sense if he was against all of us. He could've gotten all of us lynched by now if he wanted.

I just realized I don't like my plan so much anymore either. I'm convinced Night Stalker can kill, and FinalFear's little rules breach makes me tend to believe him. So my plan sucks too in that IF FinalFear is pro-town and I know I am that would be two townies for Riven. Bad trade at this point.

That is the dilemma. It is possible there is only one scum left, but it is also likely that there are two working together. The only ones who could conceivably be working together is Night Stalker and Riven. The rest of you are pointing blame back and forth, so I doubt you are in with any of them and same with FinalFear. The whole two vigilantes thing is screwy, too. If one of them is lying, then tonight could go all wrong. If it is just Riven who is lying, then it will be even worse. There's gotta be a plan that will work, just can't see it yet.

How can I convince you Riven is not on our side?

Good question. I just don't know. I trusted you early on, but everything's falling apart now.

[Fishbulb]

Oh well. I was still on the fence about Riven, but I guess we'll find out soon enough.

I'll probably be dead tonight if there is another killer since I have a decent investigative role, so you two vigilantes really need to read this thread. Don't make a choice in haste. I don't know which one of you are pro-town (*shrug* maybe both of you are), but whoever

is

pro-town needs to think smart about the kill tonight. If you are in doubt, I say no kill. If you take out the wrong one, we will likely lose this. If gslamm turns out innocent, it's obviously Riven. If gslamm turns out guilty, then we know Riven is pro-town, so he and I will both have information tomorrow that will probably point at any remaining scum.

We only have until mneme shows up, but Riven, do you want to plan our investigations so we don't pick the same one? I'll go for Night Stalker, and you grab FinalFear. Does that make sense? One of us will live and will either clear, or condemn our target. I figured it would be best if you took the cop to avoid any "the cops are in this together" business.

[Fishbulb]

That could be a problem if I go to a crime scene. Well, I guess it would show me and the person who is killed AND the person who does the killing. That would clear me and still get us somewhere. I think that might work, actually. But I guess it would depend on what mneme actually sends you.

Of course, none of this matters if gslamm is innocent, since we know Riven is behind it.

[Fishbulb]

Of course, none of this matters if gslamm is innocent, since we know Riven is behind it.

I meant to say, "If gslamm is innocent, we

will

know Riven is behind it. We don't know if he is, yet.

[Fishbulb]

Good game all! So it

was

the cops. Very interesting set up, mneme.

I can't believe I actually listened to the other cops. But I guess that's why you set us up like that.

[Fishbulb]

Well, I knew all 5 weren't basic "cops" from the beginning, and by the end I figured one of them were scum. Just wasn't sure which. For some reason I got it in my mind that they couldn't be in it together. If gslamm hadn't tried to kill me and get my player name, I wouldn't have trusted him one bit there at the end.

[Fishbulb]

Yeah, if he'd killed someone else, and not known my name to claim investigator, he would've been a suspect a lot sooner. Did they know they could kill me if they tried again?

[Fishbulb]

@Fishbulb: Bah at your no lynch plan Yes we knew.

With that many

possible

investigators I knew someone would find the baddies before we were all dead. Too bad I didn't trust Riven in the first place, but it all worked out in the end.

[Fishbulb]

I have a question for you Night Stalker. Why did you kill FinalFear and not me last night? That would've probably given us a completely different outcome.