There Will Be Bloodshed (Game Over)

[GreyICE]

OOH, RQS:

Whose hitting "show" on the mastwalls?

Kidding, kidding, interesting stuff in there. Anyway, I wanted to say that I'm hard to manipulate, but no one is totally manipulation proof.

P.S. Mastin, I have no meta. Good luck!

P.P.S. If that was a short wall from Pine, I say we report him to the moderator, Mastin is running two accounts. My god man, take a minute or two and edit your post down into something that makes sense. I've been diagnosed with ADD, that doesn't mean you have to inflict rambling wallposts on the world

Anyway, I'll just

Vote: No Lynch

because I've done it a few times and Mastin is metaing me, so he should see that I'm town when I do it

Or I'm just softclaiming 'fucking with his head.'

[GreyICE]

By the way, as soon as it gets approved, I'll probably be replaced by a hydra of Katsuki and me. It's currently sitting in the approval queue.

[GreyICE]

Oh good

I've tried the entire 'meta lynch' thing, and I found that I was really good at lynching town when I used it, and really good at lynching scum when I trusted what I was reading in the game thread and learned people's personalities

Not that Papa Zito doesn't have some words for me about that...

TBH not getting a scum vibe from anyone posting yet. Dun worry, there's still time for EMPScum to out himself to my satisfaction

[GreyICE]

They're horrifically pointless too.

It kinda reminds me of MoI's scum games, where he posts these long meandering quote walls that just don't get anywhere. Pine, however, seems to put some thought into them sorta, while MoI is just like "quote, question, quote, question" for 4 billion lines (I stand by the fact that he EARNED the nickname I gave him).

Pine, please try and trim them down. They're less 'your thoughts' and more IoA. No IoA, more thoughts about other players. NOW.

@Calcifer: My first vote! Lets wagon!

[GreyICE]

Unvote

Vote: Friend

You're not mine.

Anyone you don't agree with and want to offer mild advice to right now? You are so trying to blend in, you little scumbag.

[GreyICE]

Mastin could write a 10 page essay on why 2+2 = 4.

And then conclude that really the most likely answer was 4.1. Ye gods the theory posts...

I like him, but the man defines "get a good editor."

Anyway, I've been climbing the Pine Walls, and the content is really starting to bug the shit out of me.

P.P.S. If that was a short wall from Pine, I say we report him to the moderator, Mastin is running two accounts. My god man, take a minute or two and edit your post down into something that makes sense. I've been diagnosed with ADD, that doesn't mean you have to inflict rambling wallposts on the world

I am not Mastin. Correlation does not imply causality.

Anyway, I'll just Vote: No Lynch because I've done it a few times and Mastin is metaing me, so he should see that I'm town when I do it

As much as I can understand fucking with someone's head, a No Lynch vote is just...I'm not sure there's a good word for it. Given the explanation, I'm inclined to not think it as scummy as I would otherwise, but...No Lynch isn't a good thing for Town.

Pine:

1) Did you really think I thought you were Mastin?
2) Did you really think I became less scummy because my reason entire reason for voting "No Lynch" was I do that when I'm town?

[GreyICE]

Also, Winger, if you feel the need to copy and paste 15 quotes and then write a one sentence reply to each... don't.

I think you're town so I'm just going to ignore your walls.

[GreyICE]

My first point was, as Confid put better than I did, "riding the common wave of thought" (the only thing that separated Jerbs from the rest of the antiPine rhetoric was an actual vote). Couple that with a lack of commentary on ANYTHING or ANYBODY else.
And, yes, my second point was meta (which there's nothing wrong with).

This = bad use of meta.

Good use of meta = your previous games show that you're an aggressive player who gets angry when their questions aren't answered and states clear opinions. This game you are wishy-washy and don't mind people ignoring you. Don't want any attention?

Bad use of meta = "I don't remember player X doing Y when he was town!" and/or "Player X did Y as scum in this game!"

[GreyICE]

@C-Worl: A hydra is an account which consists of two players, and "meta" means basically someone's normal playstyle/tendencies.

I can't agree with THB's vote on C-Worl. Also, I don't think meta is useful in this game, given the fact that me, C-Worl, Pine, and Cookie are all new here and therefore don't have a meta.

"Man, hammers are useless. I had a screw and it just wouldn't get it in!"


------

Anyone at all like Friend's "contributions" right now?

[GreyICE]

Pine, I've seen the mathematical case. It's wrong, because you shouldn't divide by zero or funny things happen.

Anyway, Pine makes sense to me. Yes, he's treating us kinda like we're newbies and he's the long-winded IC, but he's acting pro-town. Both answers were convincing, so... not scum!

Grats pine, you win the "I am not a zombie" button.

[GreyICE]

Spoiler: GreyICE provoked this.

Actually, I was referring to the interesting problem of repeating decimals. The classic case is where 1 =/= 1. 1/3=.33 repeating, right? And 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1, right? But check it out: .33(r) + .33(r) + .33(r) does NOT equal 1. It never accounts for the infinitely small remainder. Same principle applies to 2+2.

I am not a zombie badge? I'm not sure I follow.

Entirely wrong, as .3333... * 3 exactly equals one. Can be proven. Very basic limit in calculus.

[GreyICE]

And ugh, I'm being dragged off course.

ITT GreyICE claims ADD.

P.S. You're not scum

[GreyICE]

[quote="Cookie_of_Death"
Oh, well according to you, I use meta badly.

Is everyone really OK with Jerb's first post? I see people accusing others of not showing any evidence of reading the thread, minimalism, and blending in, which Jerb's post seems to fit perfectly. Yeah, fine, I got lazy at the end of my post, and I can see how that's a bit hypocritical, but I explained myself and that doesn't take away from my point.[/quote]

Were he to continue to post at that level? No. But for the stage of the game it was in, it seemed reasonable. The thing is, that sort of vote does the opposite of blend in - it sticks out like a sore thumb. That's not necessarily town, but it has less of a scum motive than you think in the early game.

OT:

x = 0.9999(r)
10x = 9.9999(r)
10x - x = 9
x = 1

[GreyICE]

Um... mod... that was supposed to be iin a spoiler box.

Sorry.

[GreyICE]

*headdesk*
No C-Worl, please don't do this.

[GreyICE]

Given the vast, VAST amounts of time Mastin has put into explaining things and the amount of time that nacho has as well, what makes you think those reads are without reason?

Also, you gonna HATE DrippingGoofball.

[GreyICE]

I will weep tears of joy for the first game where my large enormous town reads don't all start voting for each other ASAP

[GreyICE]

Heh, well, EmpKing thinks he's scum.

That confirms my town read.

[GreyICE]

Okay, now I will use my psychic powers.

Mastin: 3,000 word essay on how scum/town lists help the town, and then the downsides of them and how they help scum.

Should be formatted into complete paragraphs, and include an intro and conclusion.

Extra credit for each namedrop in excess of five or every time you make fun of DrippingGoofball.

Due: Wednesday.

[GreyICE]

unvote, vote: silverbullet999

Actually, that last post reminded me of how useless he was. He's done nothing at all, but he's been here.

Silver, top 3 scumreads?

Oh my god, it's like the EXACT reason I'm voting for you.


Silver, that list was terrible.

[GreyICE]

Silver, that list was terrible.

Is it terrible.... cause i'm right?

1) Most likely town
2) Town
3) Meh.

Reasoning = 0.

EmpKing...

[GreyICE]

Well, three reasons I want it.

1) I'm quite persuadable. Really. C-Worl's case on Calcifer is not going to convince me, yes, but that doesn't mean I live in some deep dark tunnel where only my own scumreads matter and everyone else's arguments don't. A good argument will change my mind.

2) Your logic explains how you think. This helps me predict how you act, and also tells me things about your alignment. Good if you're town, bad if you're scum. Of course going "oh, well then it's bad for me" probably doesn't help you

3) Other people then interact with it. Their interactions tell me things about their alignment.

For instance, just off that I know EmpKing is probably town.

[GreyICE]

GreyICE, I don't really understand your complaint against me. It's not like I've been posting silverbullet-level fluff everywhere, and I'm not an aggressive, dickish player.

Lemme see if I can summarize my complaint easily. I'm going to do a bit of a quote wall, but there's a reason.

I'm going to separate your posts into three different categories.

1) Vaguely making other people look suspicious
2) Asking questions that you never follow up or post reasons for
3) Buddying

I'll then post any anomalies after.

Vague Suspicion

But Pine, none of these votes are truly random - you're making a conscious decision to vote who you want to vote for.
Pine definitely seems like he's trying too hard (and I concur with the lack of wall-reading). That sarcastic response wasn't good either.
DLG does too but I've played with him before and that might just be his meta. I just think it's hypocritical to call people out for not offering anything when all he's done is tell people to offer things.

Oh, and bad in a poor play way, with a hint of scumminess.

(about DLG)

ConfidAnon's vote for AGar after this game has only been going on for about a day is troubling to me, especially after the tossed-away THB vote.

unvote: DLG
vote: ConfidAnon

My vote seems better placed here.
Cookie, I didn't like what AGar said - AGar wasn't lurking. It had been one day. He voted for AGar for lurking. It doesn't add up.

Blatant sheeping of another case. Oh wait, AGar didn't make a case. He posted a lazy rallying call in the thread to 'start a wagon.' You went "Okay, sounds like a good idea!"

Questions with little/no followup

Pine, why don't you like random voting stages when you're implying that you can gain information out of these "not-so-innocent" votes?

Cookie, what do you mean by weak?

Buddying

Also, hi everyone I know and everyone I don't. Looking forward to awesomeness.

Oh my god, thank you.

Grey voting NL is a nulltell, btw.
~Pie

Agree with this by the way. I don't think pacman's vote is good at all.

With a note that it belongs in suspicion too.

Other

C-Worl, can you get an avatar? It makes it easier for everyone to recognize you.

DLG, Cookie.

Meh.
I still think my vote for DLG is solid.

(Response to my vote... how is his case on DLG solid? It doesn't exist)

Getting a huge newbtown vibe from C-Worl.

(Very safe 'designated town read')


I don't need aggressiveness. What I want is interaction, and you're just floating.

[GreyICE]

Oh wait, my post about ConfidAnon came before AGar. Huh, reverse sheeping?

Little to no follow-up about the "weak" vote? He answered, I responded. There's definitely been follow-up.
And I never knew being Friend-ly (heh get it) was buddying.
You're also totally missing out on silverbullet suspicions. Your case is complete bullshit. Just because I'm brief doesn't make me scum.

unvote: DLG
vote: ConfidAnon
My vote seems better placed here.

Cookie, I didn't like what AGar said - AGar wasn't lurking.

It had been one day. He voted for AGar for lurking. It doesn't add up.

Interesting. So you weren't building off what AGar said. So you have a case independent?

[GreyICE]

Hi, all. Just a warning--I'm going to be letting Nacho do a lot of the posting for a while, while I try to sort something out in the game. Trust me; it'll be worth it.
The problem I'm having is an issue that Nacho and I had to a limited extent last game, though it wasn't a huge issue. Parama and Empking might be able to guess what it is, but I'd prefer not to say. Anyway, reading the game, gathering and re-analyzing my notes, etc. (Meta'll have to wait.)
-Mastin

You posted a wall so long it crashed Quicktopics and now you can't access your hydra thread?

[GreyICE]

Spoiler: In my defense

Good god. Have a nice 10-hour spring break sleep and wake up to a lynch mob.

Re: Going to bed-Seriously? I went to bed. There were a couple of hours of intense back-and-forth, and by the time it was getting into the early AMs, I had had enough. I was declaring my intent not to respond to anything for a while, as I'd be unconscious. Regardless of the fact that I played Starcraft 2 for a while before actually going to sleep.

@DLG: Your reasons boil down to 1) Expressing uncertainty 2) Taking a blow to my ego and actually learning from it and 3) The math discussion, which I didn't actually start, got goaded into, and have tried repeatedly to suppress or end. I'm not sure whether this is tunnel vision or whether you're just squinting as hard as you can in order to make the case you've already decided upon.

Re: Trying too hard: Yeah, I was. So now that I'm trying to back off, as half the thread was clamoring for me to do, it's even more suspicious? I don't get you people. Simply put, I've made mistakes regardless of my alignment. As Town, I've pissed people off and let ego get in the way, and distract people from hunting actual scum. As Mafia, I've gotten too greedy and too obvious. As SK, I've stuck my neck out way too far and gotten noticed. As some other third or fourth party...well, it'd depend on the role, but it still isn't good.

My actions thus far have included a lot of

mistakes

. I screwed up early, and of course I'm trying to fix things now. I put myself into a lose/lose/lose position, and which 'lose' I'm in depends only on alignment. Bad for Town and bad for scum=novice errors. Null tells.

Right now, I'm taking on water. I'll return to actual scumhunting once I've bailed out and gotten back on course. I've noticed things, but I don't think they'd be taken seriously by about half the group right now.

I'm interested. I prefer tedious explanation to be accompanied by lots of scumhunting.

[GreyICE]

^^

Good posting.

Wagon me for a while if you're bored, people. EmpKing is always up for that.

[GreyICE]

I have to admit that a wagon on you might be needed to make your attitude a bit more productive.

Well hell man, the chances of you wagoning scum are slightly worse than random.org, so knock yourself out.

I still think Friend is a good bet, but you've had plenty of time to read him.

[GreyICE]

Smells Nacho.

[GreyICE]

I just had the sudden realization that Pine is confirmed town--
Everyone needs to get off of Pine,

NOW

.

Just...trust me. My scum reads aren't always the most reliable.

But this? This is my strongest town read I can remember--and those are never wrong. Pine is town. Period, end of discussion. Get. Off.

Diddin... you town?

If you are, vote Calcifer or don't vote Pine.

Me, I have the same read on Pine, so I trust him.

PEdit: Nathed.

PEdit2: Ah. Now there's someone we can work with. So, it's the toss-away vote on AGar? What do you think of AGar's content since that post?

[GreyICE]

I don't give a fuck what Calcifer (or Grey, even though I still <3) says, I think Pine is scum.

Vote stays. Everyone else can feel free to hop back on.

PEdit: lol C-Worl
PEdit2: *nod*

~Pie

Pie: You're a pain in the ass again, that means you're town.

[GreyICE]

stop it with the goddamn walls. THEY ARE UNNECESSARY.
Conciseness is pro-town.

I'm concise. Tell me some people who ain't town. I mean besides the wall.

[GreyICE]

@GreyICE

What are your thoughts on diddin and jerbs and why you think Calcifer and Pine are town.

Calcifer is town because Mastin is being townie. Mastin is really uncomfortable as scum. Like... really uncomfortable.

People are yelling at him about his walls, and he doesn't read that uncomfortable. Nacho is a good player who doesn't take all that many risks. What he just did was a risk, and doing it to save a scumbuddy on day 1 is just poor play.

Pine is town because he's honest and so very clearly town. Just so very.

Diddin may be town. Need more material to work with.

Jerbs, I hate to say it, is null right now. Not fond of using that, but just too little.

[GreyICE]

Will people stop calling me newbtown, idiot town, and village idiot. IT really hurts my feelings. I'm at least trying out here.

It's not really meant to be offensive... there's just not a better way to say it.

God yes there is.

I've played quite a few games with idiot town. Werewolf555, etc.

He's reasonably new. He doesn't seem THAT dumb, although the cases could be a bit better. Silver's were MUCH worse, frankly...

[GreyICE]

Uuuuhhhhhh

I'm good at mislynching wraith.

Lets give him some time to post something. I could have SWORN he'd flip red last time

[GreyICE]

Will people stop calling me

newbtown

, idiot town, and village idiot. IT really hurts my feelings. I'm at least trying out here.

Can I call you newbscum, then?

~Pie

No. I recommend Winger instead.

[GreyICE]

If you people say Wraith always acts like this, I guess I can get back on silverbullet.

No, last game I was in with him as town was worse.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... lect=13655

Although irony is if we'd listened to his first post, game would have been over around day 3

[GreyICE]

Agree on last three.

Not sure on first.

But if you tell me friend is town.

I will laugh. And not move my vote.

[GreyICE]

Now who's rolefishing, Wraith?

Calcifer, GreyICE, kindly stop buddying up to me so hard. My vote can't be bought by defending me, and I'll damn well defend myself when necessary. Plus, you make all of us look scummy when you do it.

Why would I care to defend you?

Don't like the wagon. Votes are better served sitting on Friend. [winger] is a very acceptable second choice.

[GreyICE]

You people never learn, do you?

Pine is no gut read. There's not a chance he's scum, period, end of discussion. I will push this and push it hard. Don't attempt to sway me away from this. It aint happening. Pine is town; live with it or replace out.

Unvote, Vote: Friend

. Not a chance the guy who's been on every single potential wagon is town. Seriously. Look at his voting record. He's ultra-opportunistic scum.

But

why

is there no chance he is scum? It can't be something he said otherwise you'd point that out.

Convince me

All such statements are true until at least day 2. And usually day 3.

[GreyICE]

I mean that the time to question outside information that may or may not come from power roles is usually day 3.

All sorts of roles that can confirm someone town. Easiest is friendly townie - you get to send a "wave" to someone that tells them your rolename and alignment. Many more. And it could just be a strong read.

But I agree with it. And it's not the time to question it.

[GreyICE]

Calcifer, GreyICE, kindly stop buddying up to me so hard. My vote can't be bought by defending me, and I'll damn well defend myself when necessary. Plus, you make all of us look scummy when you do it.

You know, if it wasn't for the fact that scum wouldn't obviously defend their mates so damn hard even on D1 (thus [Calc or Grey] + [Pine] are unlikely as a scumteam), this would really seem suspicious... Actually, this post reads weird to me even

with

that in mind. Seems... artificial. Do not like.

Grey is just being weird this game. Like in 264, for example. Not scummy, just weird. Opinion on Jerbs, Grey? Since we don't seem to share the same reads on scum otherwise and you haven't mentioned him (I don't think).

~Pie

LOL @ the wraith picture.

Anyway, last time I gave a read on Jerbs, it was null. Hasn't changed. It's just too little to work with. At some point the lurking stops becoming null and starts becoming scummy, but we're short of that.

[GreyICE]

Because being wagoned for something I don't understand is frustrating as all hell, especially when there's so many more scummy people around me.

Well then post some content! Show us they're scummy! Help the town!

Or you can sit there and scumplain.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, but when I try to scumhunt you criticize my style. What's the point?

Jeez, and after I just get done complaining about metagaming, I go and do it. Which probably means you'll flip town just to piss me off, but I stand by what I said elsewhere - I'm done playing with meta to guide me, I've watched it rip a town in half and catch zero scum, and it bores me.

But man, other games you do make good arguments and post good posts and scumhunt. You ain't posting Mastwalls, but you're posting scumhunting.

This is just poor. Not moving my vote, I want this one to lynch.

[GreyICE]

Man, this bedtime mafia theory is starting to look really convincing!

[GreyICE]

Moderator: Please confirm that silverbullet999 has two votes, or correct vote count.

[GreyICE]

I WANT THOUGHTS ON MY PINE CASE

~Pie

I DON'T WANNA LYNCH PINE. CALCIFER HAS UNVERIFIED POTENTIALLY PR RELATED INFORMATION ON HIM.

IT'S DAY ONE YOU DOUCHE CANOE

...

BRAINS

[GreyICE]

AGar? Lolz. Idiots are PR hunting.

Can't be Calcifer, he'd be better at it than that.

[GreyICE]

Go look at the player list. We forgetting anyone who SHOULD be in this game?

vote: Pine

Wraith is probably scum.

Vote: EvilPacman18

Short list of people I'm starting to forget are in this game:
Antihero (Previously Cookie_Of_Death)
Empking
diddin
ConfidAnon
Jerbs
Wraith

*sigh*

I see an explanation for the Calcifer/Pine thing, but I'm gonna wait for a bit. At the moment, Pine is town to me.

I have some other thoughts, but this Pine wagon is terrible, and I wanna hear from other people. And why you're voting for Pine over Pacman is like... durr, wazzut?

[GreyICE]

:/

Wraith...

[GreyICE]

I changed my mind. EPM dies tomorrow.

OH HAI

WELCOME TO MY PAGE

[GreyICE]

Also EPM needs to die.

[GreyICE]

Oh balls. That was an ugly softclaim. Hated townie? Beloved princess?

Unvote

Lemme think about this one

[GreyICE]

@C-Worl 948: It would have been SO much easier for RomScum to just jump on the wagon. There was so much voting without reasons at that time, it wouldn't have been noticed. But you do have a bit of a point. Deciding which motive is correct is WIFOM, though I find my scenario more likely.

Unless there's already quite a few scum on the wagon, or he's trying to avoid obvious behavioral tells.

[Winger] had quite a few.

Romanus is scum too.

[GreyICE]

I have big assignments due Thursday and Friday. I'm gonna call V/LA till Friday night or Saturday. I'll catch up then.

Still haven't lynched Wraith? I bet I'm gonna read the last 20 pages and not see one reason why we haven't. Let's do this.

NICE CATCHUP

I want Romanus dead because that's a real wagon, but I have ONE reason why I wouldn't lynch Wraith, besides that.

[GreyICE]

You think parama is town? Any more amazing observations for us?

[GreyICE]

Alright.

Glad to see someone read my book and is on my page.

Vote:PACMAN

Romanus is scum Pie, but we can argue about it tomorrow, or some other time.

[GreyICE]

I'm game for a massclaim.

[GreyICE]

Also, this, THIS is why I nagged Calcifer for days to justify his goddamn reasons, but noooooo, Pikachu don't want to explain. Now, he's dead and whatever great fucking insight he had to why Pine may or may not be town is fucking lost. As well as his reasoning for all his reads. THIS is why people need to explain themselves more bc in the end, Calcifer didn't help us out a damn bit.

O RLY

[GreyICE]

Yeah, waiting on the moderator, because it could just be a mod error.

If it's not, he's almost certainly scum, AND mass claim is a terrible idea.

[GreyICE]

I wanna know what the mod error was.

Also does being neighborized cause you to lose your old role and become a new role with the town?

Also who were the neighbors initially icey?

-Cworl
Neighborizer is not some made up role... also you turning country on us is humorous.

AFAIK Neihborizer just puts you in the quicktopic. It doesn't change your original role or alignment.

@Icey: Why didn't you neighborize me last night? I thought you believed my claim.

afaik your goal was to die as soon as possible. This minimizes your usefulness.

[GreyICE]

Nah, Katsuki will post with the giggles

And she doesn't explain her votes and reads as much as I do.

She's right scary-often though.

[GreyICE]

Oh FFS antihero at least try with your fakeclaims.

Vote: antihero

[GreyICE]

Yeah Icey is probanly right on this point (Though when thinking about it I'm not sure if outting yourself to help town is readily apparent as the best move.) His claim does seem like the classic scum claim in other respects.

Unvote

Vote; Anti

Are you kidding me.

No dude, it goes like this:

Claim: Cop

Jerbs is innocent.

And then you announce your investigate targets in the thread.

If the NK misses you and you're like
"O THANK GOD A DOCTOR"
If you hit scum you're like
"OH HAI I FLIPPED HIDER LIKE WHADDA YA THINK KILLED ME?"

Only not really because you're dead, but townies with three functional brain cells will figure it out.

[GreyICE]

See you really can't lynch somebody for not realizing that plan (which TBH I'm not so sure is flawless due to a risk of Counterclaim.)

What's the downside of a hider claiming to save a townie? The scum might shoot into scummy mislynches hoping to hit the hider?

That quote doesn't seem to fit in with the latest plan.

I've executed that plan. It's fairly fucking flawless as long as moderators are smart and keep not putting multiple alignment-confirmation roles in normals.

That's GOOD hider play.
Mediocre hider play is you just claim hider. It's also the right play if you're not willing to run the gambit (which, to be fair, has its share of risks).
bad hider play is you hide behind obvtown that you hope won't be nked to become faux-bulletproof.
Scum play is antihero.

And you are his scumbuddy Empking.

[GreyICE]

[redacted] - Will discuss later.

I fakeclaim a lot as town, tbh. Offhand, Sherlock Holmes has finished. BUT ANYWAY yeah. Antihero definitely is smart enough to claim when he can save town and potentially send a lynch into scum. On the other hand, he's late on the list and seeing a lot of VTs, and figured a fakeclaim was safe.

Too bad it was so horrid it was radioactive

[GreyICE]

Because there's other members of the scumteam goddamn it. He gets his turn

[GreyICE]

I actually sent the PM in too late.

[GreyICE]

What the hell are you talking about, Wraith? That last post made no sense. At all.

I think he thinks we're talking about recruiting.

Rather than lynching the ever loving fuck out of someone.

[GreyICE]

Zdenek, you haven't even bothered to vote one of your 'scumteam' yet. Lay down the vote for EmpKing, and get this ball rolling.

[GreyICE]

Pie, you found your only townie in the neighborhood crazier than you.

[GreyICE]

To Grey:
Your play wasn't really any better. Neither was mine.

Jerbs takes home the LVP, though.

Uh yeah. Didn't say I was great.

But I've never seen town just go "oh I'm going to be mislynched in LyLo, oh well" outside of like Newbie games.

[GreyICE]

If Zd had been begging people to unvote and shit, I woulda called him out on AtE, so.

Yeah, and I would have gotten pretty annoyed.

But I would have assumed you town because the chances of you being godfather were like 0%.

[GreyICE]

grey... you ignored my awesome theory?!

That I was the scum neighborizor? Yes.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, it also only works once.

[GreyICE]

It only works once to clear us as town, but we argue that was as town too. So basically a lack of arguing on our part won't be a giveaway that we're scum.

And yes, the dissonance was fake. I hadn't read the game up to that point and I just decided to side against Pie and we thought arguing out in the open would be a townie hydra thing to do since a scum hydra would agree on all "reads." It was intentional, Pie, you derp. I can dig up the IRC logs if completely necessary.

PEdit: @Hiraki - wat? I'm scum if I'm more or less aggressive?

Yeah, fair warning.

Policy lynch.

[GreyICE]

I'm just 99% certain the next time you disagree onto a wagon, I'm lynching you.

[GreyICE]

u guys mad?

Can't be too mad, my play was that bad. So was the rest of the town's.

But just saying next time, you die. So keep that in mind if you're town.

[GreyICE]

ROFL

Okay, well mastin's still around, I'm glad about that.

Your play sucked, but basically, this game, if you were town, your play sucked.

[GreyICE]

4 scum in a 19 player isn't that big, though.

15:4 is about right.
The important thing is often that extra lynch doesn't go very far, because there's so many townies that it landing on town day 1 is not that unlikely.

[GreyICE]

Nah, GI was a goldmine for us.

No offense, GI! <3

None taken, I fucked up hardcore.

[GreyICE]

Icey, your shitty play was too buried under everyone else's shitty play. And remember the reason you joined a hydra: it's not your fault!

Pie/Fugi going ridiculously active in neighborhood QT after we died was just plain mean.

I shoulda just lynched em that day.

[GreyICE]

http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/dP8reiaqmhuc

[GreyICE]

See you guys always see that as slips.

But I see that shit from town all the time.

I had town post "when I flip scum..." in a thread.

I look more for evasion and covering up after one, which I didn't see Pie/Fugi doing honestly.

But you snowed me good.

[GreyICE]

<3 C-Worl

I'm still pretty new to this site, and the forum format of playing Mafia in general. I would appreciate critiques and reviews of my individual performance.

I hate you and shall have my pet dire wolves feed on your entrails.

Oh and Mastin. DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[GreyICE]

Technically, Grey, Mastin's dead already.
(Also, I'm actually quite a bit upset someone went through the trouble of creating a mastin3. I wanted that name as a backup to my backup! >:( )

All I know is if you do THAT again, I'm lynching YOU