NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

[Nobody Special]

Vote: gorilla

for being the first to post.

You know I'm right.

[Nobody Special]

Kise, I shall hunt you down and stuff that CAPS LOCK key so far up your alimentary canal you won't need fiber for a month.

[Nobody Special]

I totally see it.

[Nobody Special]

Well, see,

I'm

still in RVS. I've found it can be quite fun if you allow it to be.

You've moved on, and I respect that.

But I'm still over here. Be patient.

[Nobody Special]

Aaand with that, one scum down, X + y * z more to go. Or something.

I WAS NOT TOLD THERE WOULD BE MATHS. I DEMAND A REFUND.

I actually laught reading C-Worl's case on RayFrost

Well, see,

I'm

still in RVS. I've found it can be quite fun if you allow it to be.

You've moved on, and I respect that.

But I'm still over here. Be patient.

- Who said last newbie I played he didn't like RVS?
- Who Random voted in that newbie?
- Who appeared scum?

VOTE: Nobody Special

PE: You guys are annoying, I can't even properly put a post in this thread without being ninja'd thrice...

My meta is unreliable. I like it that way. Learn to adapt.

I am a ninja. You never know when I'll show up. 'Tis why I'm RaymotherfuckingFrost. (RmfF for short) [RmfFfs for even shorter] {etc}

I WAS NOT TOLD THERE WOULD BE RECURSION (WHICH IS A SUBSET OF MATHS). I DEMAND ANOTHER REFUND.

I will reread in depth tonight. (maybe) but in the meantime.
VOTE: Jindori
Call it a semi-rv/gut read for now. Will probably change vote in my next post.

NO. Jindori is (so far) a completely clueless Newb. I think this is his first game onsite (too busy to check, someone get on that, please).

[Nobody Special]

Oops.

Forgot to add:

I'm watching C-Worl very closely. But not voting yet.

[Nobody Special]

It's 13 to lynch; 12 is to NoLynch.

[Nobody Special]

There there NS, it's going to be alright. Just take deep breaths.

STILL WAITING FOR MY REFUNDS.

[Nobody Special]

I like this idea. It's actually logical.

Vote: Pine

[Nobody Special]

Oh God. More nacholists.

Call me when the real game starts.

[Nobody Special]

I am voting who I want to lynch. Do try to keep up.

[Nobody Special]

Well, Lowell is always scum. And did you miss my post about Jindori?

Other than where you're wrong, you seem to be right. So far.

[Nobody Special]

Do try to keep up. I said that several pages ago.

[Nobody Special]

unvote

C-worl. Ahh, what a scummy player.

T-Bone, what's your experience level here at this site? Sorry if you've mentioned it and I missed it.

RF: A bit early for VCA, nu?

I'm staying off any wagons for the moment.

[Nobody Special]

I didn't call you a fool, nor did I imply it. I simply asked. Defensive much?

[Nobody Special]

This game makes my brain hurt.

I don't like that Shift spent so much energy on defending, and then explaining about defending, T-Bone.

C-Worl is just getting scummier and scummier.

RF is appearing solid Town, and that worries me a little. I need to go refresh my meta on him.

Lowell has disappeared again, which is null for him.

jindori reminds me of a hyperactive puppy, so excited to be here that he jumps and bounds and caroms off the walls. Town, but a little overzealous (which is not bad).

[Nobody Special]

C-Worl is just getting scummier and scummier.

So why aren't you voting him?

I'm staying off any wagons for the moment.

[Nobody Special]

Waiting for things to develop. We have time.

[Nobody Special]

Yikes, prod recieved. A bad start for me, will catch up.

Oh, please. This is normal for you and you know it.

[Nobody Special]

Would like to know when NS plans on voting.

Waiting for things to develop. We have time.

I'll vote when I'm damned good and ready, thankyewverymuch.

I disagree with tclawren that a vote is useless if it's not cast. I still have the power of threatening to vote, which may come quite in handy if a particular wagon gets to L-1.

[Nobody Special]

Just started my readback now im online for a littlew while. This comment jumped out at me.

I'M IN THE CLAN, I HAVE TO TALK IN CAPS. I FORGOT THAT AND THAT'S WHERE I LOST MY WAY, BUT NOW THAT I'VE BEEN FOUND AGAIN I WILL NEVER GO CAPSLESS AGAIN.

Is this a Werewolf claim? Eitherway my vote stays exactly where it is.

WTF is this bullshit?

Vote: SnakePlisssssssken

You just broke my scummeter. I'm sending you a bill.

[Nobody Special]

jindori I noticed you're not voting right now

any particular reason for that?

Any particular reason you asked him and not the other two nonvoters?

[Nobody Special]

Holy shit, this game.

Caveat: I still have to read pages 24 & 25, but this was getting long so I wanted to post it now and go on.

First things first. I'd like to remind everyone that this game is a Large

NORMAL.

A scum faction that does not need to kill off the Town simply

does not exist

in this game. That being said, I have no reason to keep claimed scum alive. (A vote was going here, but is not for reasons explained in a bit.)


Now, for some questions.

well tclawren you got alot of info and the truth so i geuss you and pine are either mafia or masons.

I'm sorry, what? Please show me a connection between tclawren and Pine. I've missed something in your fabulous (read: flailing) logic.

Okay, I just re-read this whole mess again, and I'm just not sure jindori has the capacity or experience for the subterfuge of trying to convince Town that eastside wolves are pro-Town. And if their objectives ARE what jindori claims, then they ARE pro-Town, and killing them is NOT required by Town wincon. Eastside as jindori claims it sounds more like a Mason group with a kill ability. Kise looks like something, but fuck if I know what. Starting to suspect I'm the only Town player. That would actually make a cool game, with a very tiny Town and numerous scum factions.

@More experienced players: Have any of you ever seen a situation with two wolf packs, one Town-neutral and one anti-Town?

Because I'm actually starting to believe jindori.

UNVOTE: jindori
VOTE: tclawren

jindori is going to eventually get killed by westside wolves anyway, let's not waste a lynch on him right now. If he's still alive a day or two from now, and eastside DOES look anti-Town, then yeah. tclawren is looking more and more like scum with every post, either westside wolves or, more likely, Mafia. I say Mafia is more likely, because he seems to care more that jindori is a wolf and less that he's eastside alignment.

Apologies for the rambling explanation of reasoning. The last few hours are a clusterfuck.

As for the bolded part, NO. Such a thing

would not exist

in a Normal game on this site.

You're quasi-defending jindori pretty hard and trying to keep him alive. Why?

If you don't believe me on it, feel free to get shot in the face. Harumph.

Also: werewolves = werewolves, whether it's more than one or not is meh. I suggest we leave indori alive for a night or two. Tcwalren's scummy, but c-worl and snakeplissken are scum.

Guys, please decide between these two. They are both scum, but I have no certainty that they are mafia or otherwise.

:goodposting:

I will only agree to leave jindori alive for one night, though. No reason to let him live tomorrow if he doesn't die tonight. Thoughts?

The same logic goes for saying that VTs are a threat to Town because of the lynch power.

I'm glad you amended that here, otherwise I was going to call you an idiot. And you make sense in the linked post. But how about we lynch jindori tomorrow if he survives tonight?

VOTE: Jindori
His win condition may not be to kill the town, but does that mean he isn't a threat to us? Nope. If these west/east-side werewolves have the ability to kill someone at night, that makes them an automatic threat to the town. How do they know that they're hitting their target? They don't, and we could end up losing town power roles very quickly if we let these guys live.

What happens if i hit a mafia or a threat two town thats like a double edge blade. Also who says eastside are have the same objective as westside. your argument can be done both ways. Also think of it like two games of mafia smashed into one i'm like a villy version west side werewolf role anyway i can only vote anyway.

A) If you kill a mafia or a werewolf tonight, thank you. But if you don't die yourself tonight, you need to be lynched tomorrow. That's just obvious.

B) All non-town factions always have the same wincon: sole survival. Even SKs have to be the only one alive to win. Remember, this is a Normal game.

More soon, as I read through this horrendous clusterfuck.

[Nobody Special]

I strongly feel that in a Normal game, a werewolf faction is required to be anti-town. Just like mafia.

[Nobody Special]

Pine, I will reiterate my question, since it got buried in the clusterfuck:

You're quasi-defending jindori pretty hard and trying to keep him alive. Why?

(And, yes, it's still relevant. Now even more than before.)

[Nobody Special]

letting him live gives

both

anti-town factions an extra day.

(snip)

A Day 1 lynch of scum is always beneficial.

The first part of the quote is a tacit admission that one of the three known non-Town alignments is not anti-Town. More evidence of T-Bone as an eastside werewolf to heap onto the pile. It is also a logical fallacy. With multiple non-Town alignments, we would only be wasting a day if we mislynched AND the opposing non-Towns failed to kill him AND today would be the day we eliminated his entire side. And he isn't going anywhere. If his story sours, we can lynch him at any time.

Second part of the quote is true, which is why I look forward to a lynch of C-Worl or T-Bone today.

Wow, amazing catch Pine.

FoS: T-Bone

I am now okay with a T-Bone lynch--though I believe my case against C-Worl remains stronger, this is a pretty clear-cut slip and his logic is, indeed, fallacious.

I see no "proof" that we have three anti-town factions. We KNOW there is Mafia, and we KNOW there is Westside Werewolves. We only have jindori's word that there are Eastside Werewolves. Caveat: still haven't read pages 24-25. I will, eventually. I think I'll need alcohol, though.

[Nobody Special]

@EL: Don't start with me. I'll re-address this after reading the two pages of likely-nothingness.

Also, the Mafia could be "Eastside" and the Werewolves "Westside." Anyone think of that? No? Okay, then. I seriously doubt there are two werewolf factions.

[Nobody Special]

Not a threat. Point taken. Will post again when all is read.

[Nobody Special]

ConSpiracy, 3 scum teams is impossible...

No it isn't.

I know! Let's ask the mod!

@Mod:

Is it possible that this game includes more than two teams of anti-town factions?

[Nobody Special]

So, I got busy. Sorry.

PGO in a normal game loloololksure.... AND I WILL THRASH YOU SO WE'LL SEE WHOS GOTA GUN

MAFIA PEOPLE
DONT ROLEBLOCK ME
IM GOING IN TONIGHT

UNVOTE; VOTE": SNAKE

You're either town-aligned Vig or 3rd party SK. Guess what? I don't feel comfortable leaving

either

alive.

Vote: Kise

Pine, just stop trying to justify that "years" of live mafia experience is applicable here (or anywhere online).

Reck (dram): I can't recall; is English your first or second language?

Geez, so many juicy scum to choose from. Snake, Kise, Reck. What to do, what to do.

I'm happy with Kise for today.

[Nobody Special]

- Reck dies if Kise is vig. Reck has a chance of dying if Kise is SK

I'm not feeling well today, so I may be missing the obvious.

But why is one a certainty and one is only a probability?

[Nobody Special]

No, the consequences come after the supposition of alignment. That's what I was talking about.

[Nobody Special]

I haven't consulted with dramonic on this, so I might get yelled at because he's not here all day long, but

that NS slip on saying he's vig or SK

seems worthy of a vote.

Unvote; Vote: NS

Okay, genius, tell me how what I said was anything like a slip. Here, I'll even show you what Kise said that I commented on:

PGO in a normal game loloololksure.... AND I WILL THRASH YOU SO WE'LL SEE WHOS GOTA GUN

MAFIA PEOPLE
DONT ROLEBLOCK ME
IM GOING IN TONIGHT

UNVOTE; VOTE": SNAKE

Let's examine this.

A) He addresses the "MAFIA PEOPLE"
B) He says "DON'T ROLEBLOCK ME"
C) He says "I'M GOING IN TONIGHT"
D) He says "WE'LL SEE WHOS GOTA GUN"

From A) we can gather he's either Town or Lying Mafia.
From B) we can ascertain that he is a power role (or, again, Lying Mafia).
From C) we can assume he's going to attack you (or is, say it with me, Lying Mafia).
From D) we can infer that he's a killing role (Town Vig, 3rd party Serial Killer, or, you know it by now, Lying Mafia).

Since I have my doubts about your towniness, Reck, I'll assume your alignment based on Kise's flip.

[Nobody Special]

/prodded. I've got a couple of assignments hanging over my head atm, so I haven't been as active as I should have been.

and GL with your Interview DH.

--

A few quick points:
This is multiball. So if someone seems anti-town, yet are willingly voted by known anti-town, they might just be anti-town from another faction.

implosion summed up the NS post pretty well. NS is saying he's town or scum. No real reasoning given for either viewpoint over the other. Also NS missed a possible Point:

(Town Vig, 3rd party Serial Killer, or, you know it by now, Lying Mafia,

or Gambiting townie

)

What's more, the slant of NS's post "lying

mafia

" = Wolfslip?

- I don't believe Kise is scum. Gambitting maybe, but not scum.
- I'm choosing to believe Reck/Dram IS a PGO, and thus town. After all, we have 2 anti-town teams + possible SK. a PGO could be an important balancing factor.
- NS's biased post seems like it comes from an anti-town perspective.

VOTE: NS

Not a wolfslip; I'm just unaccustomed to playing with multifactions, and anything not town is automatically mafia (to me).

And yes, Kise could be a gambiting townie, but I hate that, too.

OK, just rereading a little bit and I have a quick question.

@NS: Why would you want to kill a town aligned vig? You have not answered this question.

Normally, a town-aligned vig is not a big deal; but I don't trust Kise (after that gambit with jindori) or his reads, so I'd prefer him dead.

Clear now?

[Nobody Special]

@SNAKE: You are getting off V/LA today. If you do not post a sufficient defense of yourself plus some reads about this game by tomorrow night, We'll say 11:00 pm EDT, you are dead to me. This game needs to move and it has died since you left.

You can't seriously be blaming the entire game stalling on one player? Tell me you didn't just do that.

I've gotten really busy the last day or so. I promise answers before I go to bed tonight.