Mini 1145 — Plain Mafia (over)

[Pine]

Prod dodge. Did not realize I was up for one. Full post later.

[Fenhl]

Romanus is flaking. Please help me with finding a replacement.

[ICEninja]

Activity in this game is not good at all, considering the short days. Deadline is going to really jump on us.

I still really like a Valern lynch, though I don't mind the Trendall wagon either.

Sad how inactive the AMP slot

still

is.

[RangeroftheNorth]

Right now, I'm still more suspicious of Trendall than anyone else. His lack of useful content really isn't helping with that, and I'm going to need to see him post something more substantial before I change my vote. The overall lack of content is problematic as we aren't getting very much content out of the people I was already most suspicious of. I'm happy with where my vote is.

[DarthYoshi]

Activity in this game is not good at all, considering the short days. Deadline is going to really jump on us.

True dat. Deadline is Friday, we should probably come to a lynch consensus in a couple of days so that we can allow for any necessary claims/counterclaims and/or not have to scramble for a compromise lynch candidate at the last minute.

Right now, it sounds like most people would be okay with a Trendall lynch, all things considered. Possibly an AMP/Meransiel lynch too.

[Fenhl]

Romanus is flaking. Please help me with finding a replacement.

Filled by crazypianist1116 — thanks!

[DeathRowKitty]

Making a useful post within in the next couple of hours (posting this now because I think I"m about to be up for prod)

[crazypianist1116]

Hey guys. Will read through tonight. Doesn't seem too long.

[DeathRowKitty]

DRK’s #112: I am also suspicious of how quickly the ICE wagon formed, but picking Valern and explicitly not giving a reason is anti-town regardless of your alignment. Valern’s vote on ICE is terrible, it is more indicative of an opposition of personalities rather than alignment, but I want to hear your reasons for voting. You rattle off a list of scumspects and don’t actually say why you find them scummy. Weak.

Eh, I'm usually bad with reasons.

You brought up some interesting points about ICE. I don't think they looked quite as bad in context, but I'll check on that.

....actually, without bothering to do that yet, I'm really liking ICE's posts since then and will now baaaaaaaaa all over him.

Unvote: Trendall

Vote: Valern

Huh....in the interest of not making this post too long, I made it a lot shorter than I expected. I might go back and comment on more things >.>

[DarthYoshi]

@CP1116: Hi! This game is already, like, halfway to becoming a Newbie 1064 reunion.

@DRK: I don't care if you're usually bad with reasons, I still want 'em. I'll decide for myself if I think they are bad or not. Dodging the question like that doesn't look good.

[Fenhl]

Vote Count 1.7

ICEninja	1	Trendall
Erratus Apathos	1	Meransiel
Valern	2	ICEninja	DeathRowKitty
Pine	2	Lucresia	Peabody
Peabody	1	Pine
Meransiel	1	Erratus Apathos
Trendall	3	DarthYoshi	RangeroftheNorth	Valern

Spoiler: more info

Not voting: crazypianist1116
With 12 living players, a majority consists of 7 votes.
The current deadline is Apr 8 22:13.

[ICEninja]

More sheep votes for Valern, please.

[Trendall]

Okay then

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Valern

As ICE points out, he has conveniently been on every major wagon thus far, and ICE seems to have got less scummy, but I still need to reread properly. I also don't like how Valern was voting for me for not offering enough content when I specifically said I wouldn't be able to post much. I'll do a reread tomorrow and let you know what I got.

[Erratus Apathos]

EVERYONE PAY ATTENTION TO THIS

Okay then

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Valern

As ICE points out, he has conveniently been on every major wagon thus far, and ICE seems to have got less scummy, but I still need to reread properly.

Trendall just went straight from having ICE as his biggest suspect, to saying "okay" to sheeping ICE. With no nervousness, no caution. It's really unusual for town to go from attacking a player to immediately following them, unless they're fairly certain they were wrong on that player. The second half of this sentence shows clearly that Trendall isn't certain at all. He's just hand-waving his suspicion on ICE away so it doesn't get in the way of his new target.

I now feel really good about either Trendall or Meransiel hanging.

UNVOTE: Meransiel
VOTE: Trendall

[Trendall]

I'm still not sure about ICE but I think the argument against Valern is stronger and justifies a vote more. Even if it was ICE who initially made it.

[DarthYoshi]

Totally missed this in my reading of the thread--

Yoshi, meta arguments notwithstanding, what do you think the motives are of repeatedly jumping on to the leading bandwagon? Valern claims to frequently jump on to bandwagons late, and obviously town has to once in a while, but doing it 3 times in 5 pages is ridiculous

I agree, wagon-hopping usually has scum motivation behind it. I'm pushing ScumTrendall hard, but Valern is certainly still on my radar.

However, given the momentum the Trendall wagon is starting to gain, and with deadline coming up in several days, why don't you consider defecting to the totally kickass, on-the-money, Chuck Norris-endorsed Trendall wagon?

Oh, and EA's #188 = Goodposting(TM). Trendall's excuse in #189 = Not. Trendall, in 1-2 sentences, what's your current read on ICE?

[Trendall]

I still think my points against ICE in my iso#1 stand. I also recognise that that's not enough to be sure somebody is scum.

[Pine]

I'm still convinced that Peabody is the best shot we have at hitting scum with our lynch, but it isn't going to happen right now. I'll make a better case later.

I'm convinced by the Trendall cases. EA's 188 is the latest in a series of good points.

UNVOTE: Peabody
VOTE: Trendall

[Valern]

Trendall's vote on me seems to be more motivated by a desire to put more weight on the leading-wagon-that's-not-him than anything.

I'm looking forward to seeing CrazyPianist in action, as he was scum last game and was somewhat obvious about it.Romanus was actually on my town list but in re-reading him I'm not really sure why I felt so strongly about him being town other than that he made what I thought was a good vote on Pine early on.

I also wonder if Meransiel isn't lurking to avoid being the lynch for today. Seems to me, townies who just replaced in are generally a lot more active and eager to please when they first show up...

I probably have more thoughts, but my migraine is currently crowding them out, hah. Juicier post later, probably.

[Lucresia]

I'm here and am catching up on the thread now. I apologize, however I had to go out of town for a wedding and working second shift I had not had time to re-read all of my mafia games and make another substantial post here yet. I will update this soon.

[ICEninja]

With the advent of Trendall's recent vote hop, I'd be willing to switch over and drop the hammer if his wagon continues to build steam and we still don't have enough to lynch Valern.

Trendall is still second, though. Keep in mind that I did indeed ask for the sheep votes because I do indeed have a damn good case against Valern, so it wasn't quite as bad as you all make it. However, unvoting a top suspect with the amount of conviction he held to sheep him is pretty fishy.

[Peabody]

I'm putting Trendall at L-1. ICEninja is willing to drop the hammer, so please claim, Trendall.

unvote Pine; Vote Trendall

[ICEninja]

A claim sounds good to me.

[crazypianist1116]

Ok so I just previewed and realized you guys put Trendall at L-1. Can you guys let me finish my draft before lynching anything? Thanks.

[DarthYoshi]

I gotta be honest, I'm a little disconcerted by the recent Pine and Peabody votes on Trendall--in #174 and #175, they promise either re-reads (Peabody) or full posts (Pine), and as far as I can tell, we have gotten neither from them--Pine sheeps the previous Trendall cases and Peabody doesn't even give any reasons. If Trendall somehow flips town, I am almost positive one of the two of you is scum.

@CP: Knowing ICE, I doubt he will hammer until Trendall claims, so you've got time to chime in.