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Post Post #11 (isolation #0) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:49 am

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/confirm

Please tell me I'm not the only one who needs to read the rules another 27 times?
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Post Post #14 (isolation #1) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:58 am

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VOTE: Exe

OMGUS. :P

Grey, I have the feeling it's going to be the latter. I read the rules and the potential for mindfuck is astoundingly immense.

Also if you really erased mist from history, then.... <3
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Post Post #16 (isolation #2) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:24 am

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Uh... No. Rolefishing much?

VOTE: kcdaspot
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Post Post #19 (isolation #3) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:39 am

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Well no real doctor would do that, but I still view it as rolefishing. Time for real vote though.

VOTE: Lynch[/lynch]
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Post Post #22 (isolation #4) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:44 am

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Damnit.

VOTE: Lynch
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Post Post #24 (isolation #5) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:24 am

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Spitekilling is no fun, Exe.

I beat you fair and square.

Well, mabe spitekilling is a little fun...

But it doesn't serve a town wincon, either.
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Post Post #28 (isolation #6) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:34 am

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Masons we is. Fun times.
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Post Post #72 (isolation #7) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:48 pm

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Blah blah blah, one lynch vote doesn't send us automatically into nomination phase; nomination phase doesn't end immediately.

I voted for lynch because I do have a clear scum candidate and didn't see the harm in one person voting lynch.

Kcdaspot's "joke" is anti-town any way you toss it; it's rolefishing and no real doctor would do it, confirming he's not the doctor for scum if there is one. I don't think town would have done such a thing.

Policy lynch only when absolutely necessary; lynch lurkers only if suspected scum and/or before lylo; lynch liars only when the lie seems scum motivated.

Played with a bunch of people, including Tragedy, GreyICE, Exe, RC and don't remember who else from the playerlist.

I post quite a bit.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #8) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:50 pm

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I did re-read the rules and noticed the 48 hours nomination phase rule. Woops. Missed that one.

I also second the motion for Tasky to define "temporal paradox."
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Post Post #80 (isolation #9) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:55 pm

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Oh, forgot.

VOTE: No Lynch

For now, obviously.
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Post Post #83 (isolation #10) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:44 am

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I got the reference but you definitely did not need to nameclaim "The Doctor" to make a Doctor Who joke.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #11) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:24 am

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No. L2 read. That particular vote could be face value or it could be scum motivated.

There's not much suspicious to get out of pre-game, but the moment I enter the thread I start playing the game.
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Post Post #94 (isolation #12) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:26 am

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*joke, not vote
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Post Post #113 (isolation #13) » Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:38 am

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Doombunny: it is true that no town member would make the joke if he/she thought about the implications.

I am forced to consider the idea that kcda just didn't think about it, esp with his more recent posts.

At present, that joke was still the shadiest thing to happen all game and I'll stick with my FoS on himM
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Post Post #115 (isolation #14) » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:46 am

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I didn't get it immediately but I eventually figured it out.

I knew it was some sort of joke, but that means nothing to what I am actually saying, if anyone would care to actually read it.
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Post Post #117 (isolation #15) » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:17 pm

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I figured it out before he brought it up, obviously...

And when did I criticize grey for clarifying the rules...?

I have read the rules several times, but to fiz them in my memory will take awhile.
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Post Post #121 (isolation #16) » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:52 pm

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RC: it took me a COUPLE OF MINUTES to get the joke. There was considerably more time between that and the post you're bawwing about.

Ghostwriter: Why can't you just iso me? I have already explained it. By saying he is some sort of doctor (because someone with the namclaim of doctor would likely also have a doctor role) he has told everyone, including scum, that he is NOT the doctor, because no real dopctor would do that. Scum often go doctor-hunting, and now they know that kcda isn't a doctor.

Additionally, he could have been fishing for a counterclaim even if a doctor would be dumb to CC.

I think those were his intentions and he purposefully cloaked it in a joke.

Why is this so difficult to understand after I have previously spelled it out?
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Post Post #123 (isolation #17) » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:55 pm

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Also, Grey, please elaborate on ranger.

P-edit: he could be. But it was a scummy thing to do. I'm not totally sold on kcda-scum, but that action itself was scummy. Period.
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Post Post #125 (isolation #18) » Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:02 pm

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So? I have him as null leaning scum. I see no lynchable offenses there.
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Post Post #136 (isolation #19) » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:01 pm

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Doombunny:

Why would I push for someone's lynch based solely off of one post?

I wanted to note clearly that that particular post of kcdaspot's was scummy.

If, by the end of the day, he has earned enough townpoints to overweigh that scummy post, he won't be scummy overall to me.

How is that a hard concept? It's like basic play.
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Post Post #139 (isolation #20) » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:26 pm

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Right now, kcda has done the single scummiest thing in the game. However, all of his OTHER posts have looked fairly town to me so far.

After him, I would pick Ranger of the North for his post where he basically said "lol i'mma do something scummy but i'm telling you first so it's okay." But that's weak, too.

Overall, I feel we don't have much content to work with, yet; the overwhelming majority of posts have been talk about set-up clarification.
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Post Post #144 (isolation #21) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:24 am

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How am I wishy washy? You think it's smart to tunnel on someone for one post alone?
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Post Post #154 (isolation #22) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:08 am

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Exe wrote:
Amrun wrote:Overall, I feel we don't have much content to work with, yet;
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Amrun wrote:You think it's smart to tunnel on someone for one post alone?
Did I in any way say this was the case?
You implied it; I assumed you were piggybacking off of doombunny's comments that I was leaving a back door or something.

What does the little content comment have to do with anything? It's true.

Smargaret: due to your most recent posts, you are actually battling for 1st place with kcdaspot. You for not pursuing your supposed top concern at all, hhim for the scummy post and buddying me pretty hard afterwards. Ranger third for previously stated reasons.

Kcda still leans scummiest, but it'sstill not a super strong scum read. There is not enough content yet from alll the players to judge pproperly.

Ghostwriter, not going to follow up at all after you asked me a question and I answered?
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Post Post #159 (isolation #23) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:54 am

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Him insisting repeatedly that I'm town is distancing, not buddying? Lolwut?

Okay. Think what you want.
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Post Post #163 (isolation #24) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:13 am

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No. Comprehension fall.

I know smargaret thinks I am distancing kcdaspot.

I gave buddying to me as a reason I suspect kcdaspot in response to a question by smargaret.

In the non-existent reality where kcdaspot is on the same scum team with me, he is not distancing at all and if you think so then I don't know what to say.

His intense buddying is a reason I suspect him, as townbuddying is quite common amongst scum.
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Post Post #176 (isolation #25) » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:50 am

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@grey: it's cute how wrong you are, but I don't need to give my scumreads again. Read the thread.
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Post Post #183 (isolation #26) » Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:38 am

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RC, I voted for Kcdaspot, but votes don't count towards lynch in this game. It's effectively an FoS and I don't see a problem with doing that.

Also, I fail to see how asking a direct question of Exe is WIFOM.
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Post Post #199 (isolation #27) » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:56 pm

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Dropping your accusation of me, Grey? Was it some sort of test?
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Post Post #209 (isolation #28) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:39 am

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If I failed your little test, then why have you failed to address me again?

That's hardly an effective way to scumhunt.

And since I have apparently already failed, care to explain how one would pass a test with a loaded question such as that?
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Post Post #211 (isolation #29) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:42 am

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I was out of state at a conference thos weekend, so my attention hasn't been the highest.

I have given a scumlist and questioned my candidates. Not sure what else you would expect me to do, nor do I care.

Ranger of the north, how do you expect to move the game along? Can you rephrase your case on doombunny?
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Post Post #212 (isolation #30) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:45 am

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To clarify, ranger, how is questioning people's theories separate from scumhunting?
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Post Post #224 (isolation #31) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:23 am

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The irony here is immense. I can't say more than that.

However, I've re-read doombunny and I can see that case.

I'd like to see ranger's, kcda's, and doombunny's lists asap.

P-edit: Grey, you're ridiculous. Try explaining. Also, your first statement contradicts with your second statement.

Exe: I actually do play mostly the same. Consider in that game, everyone was so convinced I was town until I threw my advantage away in a tactical power play on purpose and still never got executed. You're running dangerously close to calling looking town a scumtell. Ironically, I have been better in my scum games than in my town games... My completed town games are earlier and therefore not as reliable, but knock yourself out.
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Post Post #228 (isolation #32) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:12 am

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Exe: okay, fair enough. I think you're editing history a little, but it's not important. The point is that the consensus was that I was most people's TOP townread. Fact. Get over it. It has little to do with this game anyway. You brought it up.

My point was: go right ahead and check my meta. My wiki is missing a couple of completed games, but it's a good starting point at least.

Smargaret: As for this game, I've already listed my top suspects. That is my list. No need to do it again.
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Post Post #233 (isolation #33) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:43 am

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Okay, Exe. I think you need to take a step back from failing to get me killed in the other game, but I understand the psychology of it. I also have kind of played like shit so far in this game, so I get it. I really am town, though. I tend to suck early game as town. I don't know why. This is something I really need to work on.

smargaret: It hasn't fluctuated all that much, in reality. Doombunny's made it onto the list. I found it really strange how he asked some pointed questions to me but didn't seem to do it from a place that was saying "You are scum" or "kcdaspot is scum." He dropped it after I answered. Your place keeps slipping up and down the list. All in all, not that important. My #1 spot is still kcdaspot. I also see the point on Chronopie, but I'd like to see him post again before I officially give him a spot on my shortlist. I think he probably was just really busy / irl problems and didn't give that much attention when he posted. It could also be scum, and he has my attention, but I want to see more first. He could easily rectify these mistakes in one post.

1. Kcdaspot
2. smargaret
3. Doombunny
4. Ranger of the North

There, here's an official list. Not very different.
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Post Post #235 (isolation #34) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:12 am

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Why me AND kcdaspot, doombunny? That seems inconsistent with your earlier questioning. You asked me questions (fine), got my answer, and then was basically like, "Okay, I get that."
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Post Post #238 (isolation #35) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:34 am

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Because his supposed stances are inconsistent.

kcdaspot and I are OBVIOUSLY not scum together. I mean, seriously. It should be obvious.

If people are going to pick one or the other of us as scum, okay -- even if it's me. I understand it. But both of us? No. That needs to be extensively justified, if so.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #36) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:35 am

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So, my point is, Tragedy ... Yes, he agreed with me and therefore slipped off of my radar for awhile, but then I looked back and realized that he was just vaguely throwing suspicion on both of us, and agreeing with someone he finds scummy (me) about suspicion on someone else (kcda). It makes no sense.
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Post Post #241 (isolation #37) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:37 am

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I did not imply we were both scum. Doombunny and smargaret are implying that.

They're both on my scumlist for it because it makes no sense.
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Post Post #242 (isolation #38) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:38 am

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To clarify, to say that both kcdaspot and I are both scum without some sort of extensive explanation as to how this is possible (which I have not seen) is just throwing vague suspicion on the two people that have stirred up the most shit so far and looks very much like opportunistic scum to me.
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Post Post #244 (isolation #39) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:01 pm

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I have explained my position on Chronopie and on you, kcdaspot.

Mist needs to post a LOT more, but Mr. Trow's posts are acceptable to me. He doesn't post that often, but when he does, the content level is pretty high.

RC should go on that lurker list, actually, along with Chronopie himself.
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Post Post #246 (isolation #40) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:09 pm

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No follow up to your questions of me, Tragedy?
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Post Post #248 (isolation #41) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:05 pm

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Smarg for being really unspecific with her suspicions. She says something like, "We should be discussing kcda/Amrun" with no thoughts of her own on the matter, comes back in pages later and rages that no one has answered her non-existent questions on the matter, and then puts us both as scum.

There is a definite possibility that Doombunny > smarg, since at least smarg said she thought I was distancing with kcdaspot. That is some semblance of explanation, albeit a poor one. I said in a previous post that I keep fluctuating on her.

No one has struck me as scummy the way kcdaspot has. His mad buddying to me is the worst, especially with his latest "she's crazy town." He's distancing from his own read, giving himself room to backtrack and act as if he has been browbeaten into lynching me to say, "I KNEW she was town!" later.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #42) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:22 pm

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What about the reasoning don't you like? Why is back and forth bad?

What is the point of FoSing two separate people you don't think are scum together?

If you don't like my reasoning on kcdaspot being scum, why did you agree with mine and proceed to effectively FoS kcdaspot yourself?

Present your unique reasoning on kcdaspot scum, please.
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Post Post #253 (isolation #43) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:30 pm

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I did call him my top scumread, not for making a joke, but whatever. I did that on page 1, so it's not like there was more to add to the case, and it's not like a top scumread at that point means a lot.

He has proceeded to keep making himself suspicious, so he has stayed at the top of my list. I don't see how it's that hard to figure out or how that is scummy in any way shape or form.
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Post Post #256 (isolation #44) » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:18 am

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Would you like to direct me to this supposed "lie?". I don't see it.

Also I didn't mention just you specifically with lurkers. It was still true. Go vGla if you're not available.

I see some of the points against me but not others. All in all, I'm pretty confident I won't be lynched today and that it will be unfortunate for me to be put on the block.
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Post Post #279 (isolation #45) » Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:43 am

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So, doombunny, changing your stance now? When I asked you if you thought both kcda ad I were scum, you said no, but you thought one of us was scum. Now, it's "100%" possible we're both scum?
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Post Post #282 (isolation #46) » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:47 am

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RedCoyote, that is not a lie. When I voted for lynch at that point, I didn't realize that once we reached nomination phase, we only had 48 hours. When this was pointed out to me, I immediately unvoted. At the time, I thought if we did not reach a "lynch" consensus by the deadline, no lynch would happen. I have now learned this is not the case.

Even if I had realized this, how does that make it a lie? That makes no sense.

I'd also appreciate if you stopped being so condescending to me. Even if I were terrible scum, which I'm not, or terrible town, which I'm kind of bordering on this game for whatever reason, that does not give you the right to treat me like a child. And like I said, I'm not being lynched today, barring extraordinary scum intervention, even if I get on the chopping block. Take a hint.
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Post Post #284 (isolation #47) » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:22 am

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My vote towards kcdaspot where I said VOTE: Kcdaspot DID NOT count towards a lynch and there is no way you can possibly think it did. Whether or not I voted to Lynch in general after that has nothing to do with the fact that my "vote" towards kcdaspot never counted as a serious vote. I never thought it would.

I think I get what you're going at now, but I didn't at first. I was talking specifically about the "vote" towards kcda. We were talking about different things, I think. Even if you were talking about my Lynch vote, I unvoted it already.

And as for the second part, okay, that's fine then. That is the type of in-game joke I can condone. :P

But I am not sure how to explain my statement that it's obvious that the argument is not scum v. scum without venturing into WIFOM land. I stand by the statement, but I'm not sure my explanation of it will do much good. All I will say is that I have replaced into a game in which kcdaspot was d1 lynched as scum; therefore, I am well aware of his lack of prowess in a scum slot. That would have greatly informed my decisions, had I been scum. Take that how you will.
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Post Post #288 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:19 am

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Would you like to demonstrate how smargaret's list ISN'T just full of easy lynches?

It's one of the main reasons she's on my list.
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Post Post #298 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:23 am

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Doombunny: I have, as far as I know. If I have missed someone FoSing us together, I will address it soon. RotN just did, and I ask him the same blanket question I asked everyone else:

Do you think we are both scum? If so, please justify your response.
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Post Post #304 (isolation #50) » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:13 pm

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Poor phrasing. I was in a hurry. I was referring to the post Grey quoted.

P-edit: same to GW. Explain how you read kcda vs. Amrun as scum on scum.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #51) » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:21 pm

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So why are we both on your scum list?
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Post Post #310 (isolation #52) » Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:18 pm

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So you don't mind lynching a townie?
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Post Post #312 (isolation #53) » Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:36 pm

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I was just asking. 1 for 1 exchanges are great, generally speaking. Just wondering how sure you are of 1scum in kcda/me.

Personally, I'm starting to doubt my own scumread on him, making sacrificing myself useless. :/ Great.

Still, at least all of this is generating content.
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Post Post #314 (isolation #54) » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:28 pm

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Some of them are scum. At least some are genuine, though. :/
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Post Post #348 (isolation #55) » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:45 pm

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I like imaginality's replace-in post.

Grey, did you really erase mist or was that a joke?

I will be scarce this weekend. Heads up.
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Post Post #352 (isolation #56) » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:31 pm

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Smarg, why would grey look worse if I flipped town?

(I actually was in the process of re-reading him and he is scummier for it. I want to hear it from you, though.)
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Post Post #355 (isolation #57) » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:38 pm

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That updated read post bumped smarg up to my #1 scumread, to me implying she knows I will flip town, and at the very least, backing away from her "distancing" theory, her only assertion in the game.

That is rich coming from you, though, Grey. Your more subdued aggression is making me doubt you, but my scumread on me smarg makes you town for now.

P-edit: so it's possible I'm town, now?
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Post Post #365 (isolation #58) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:43 am

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RC, I have left several deliberate hints for you in particular, since you seem to be reading my posts carefully.

The fact that you have failed to address them at all is raising alarm bells in my mind. You've seen them. I can guarantee scum have seen them.

Also, I know exactly what saying my scumread on kcdaspot looks like. You can choose to think I'd backtrack as scum if you so choose.
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Post Post #384 (isolation #59) » Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:09 pm

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And, just as I thought, now that the tide has turned on me, kcdaspot drops his buddying to me and his entire stance.

Lolscum
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Post Post #390 (isolation #60) » Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:55 pm

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It's not tunneling; I have other suspects etc. Following through with suspicion isn't tunneling. Tunneling = scum, though.
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Post Post #411 (isolation #61) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:42 am

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It's Easter and finals week. If I get lynched for a bit of absence, so be it. Like I said, though, it's highly unlikely I'm lynched today even if I'm nominated. Why everyone is ignoring that is beyond me.

smargaret, you never LEFT calling kcda/Amrun a scumpair. And why HIS wishy-washy reads mean I'm scum is beyond me. It doesn't even make sense. And doombunny is right about this: there haven't been any flips yet. Calling pairs with such surety is just silly.

VOTE: Lynch
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Post Post #413 (isolation #62) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:09 am

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Kcdaspot
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Chronopie
smargaret (if I had a 4th)
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Post Post #433 (isolation #63) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:46 pm

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MrTrow wrote:Ok i`m finally caught up:


list (in order from scum to town):
Amrun: a lot of ' :shifty: no i didn`t :shifty: ' isn`t giving a good feel (however this can be the 'just an easy lynch'-part)
things that i do consider relevant though:
- You used the 'why are we both on the scumlist if we`re not both scum' quite often for someone who agrees on the 1-1-tradeoff is a good thing.
- can`t find the clues you left to RC (and scum), care to explain?
- this:
Amrun wrote:That updated read post bumped smarg up to my #1 scumread, to me implying she knows I will flip town, and at the very least, backing away from her "distancing" theory, her only assertion in the game.

That is rich coming from you, though, Grey. Your more subdued aggression is making me doubt you, but my scumread on me smarg makes you town for now.

P-edit: so it's possible I'm town, now?
- missed the corresponding 'if'?
- How does Smargaret-scum result in GreyICE-town?
- Why do you consider GI town based on the above, only a day after you agreed on 1-1 tradeoffs being a good thing?
1 for 1 tradeoff is a good thing if it's extremely likely that it IS a 1 for 1 tradeoff. Two people exchanging posts should not immediately be written off as 1 for 1, as it has been.

And no, I will not assist your rolefishing. I've been plenty obvious enough.

The way smargaret was attacking Grey makes me think that they are not scum together. One or the other might be scum, or neither, but not both. Their exchanges just don't read that way to me. I had a relative scumread on smargaret and a relative townread on GreyICE, so if smargaret flipped scum, GreyICE would be more likely town. I added "for now" because my reads are subject to change as the game develops.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #64) » Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:54 am

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Lynch Zinger with fire!

Zinger
Kcdaspot

For my top two.
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Post Post #463 (isolation #65) » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:17 am

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Kcdaspot wrote:There was a question?

I'm not liking amrun any more...
Of course not. You'd much rather someone other than you be lynched.

p-edit: What, kcdaspot?
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Post Post #470 (isolation #66) » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:29 am

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Kcdaspot wrote:typically when there is a flavor name issued to townies you name claim to narrow down who may or may not be scum because the game my center around flavor more and scum sometime do not have fake claims ready.

I poked fun at that at the beginning with my "doctor" claim.

I REALLY should have noticed amrun doing this earlier but was so full of stupid and burnout from school:

I think you skimmed that post to make me your prime lynch candidate. all you saw was Claim and Doctor and missed my joke entirely.

Sure we have ROLEnames but why say NAMEclaim? that's goes to say that you are not full claiming. you made a bad assumption.

now i'm not sure where you stand but i know that place has little or no ground AT all. you claim you have other suspects... but this tunnel on me is so transparent MIST could've spotted it.
I ALREADY EXPLAINED MY WHOLE THOUGHT PROCESS ON THE JOKE.

I'm tired of doing it.

You nameclaimed "The Doctor," but the general assumption would be that someone with that nameclaim would have some sort of doctor type role. No real doctor would do that, which means you just announced that you're not the doctor, removing a layer of WIFOM for scum.

I didn't skim anything and I didn't do anything to make anyone my prime lynch candidate.

You've been surpassed in that area by Zinger. I want him dead. Today.
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Post Post #472 (isolation #67) » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:36 am

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No. It's because you committed Amished's scumtell so egregiously that it cannot be ignored.

And also because your posts have flaws.

But Amished's scumtell must be applied here. Your replace in post was so scummy it hurts.
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Post Post #478 (isolation #68) » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:28 pm

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I've had the Amished tell applied to me when I was town and didn't know not to do it, but it's less reliable for females due to psychology. Despite having been burned, I still think it's a pretty reliable tell. It doesn't have anything to do with meta. It's a psychology thing.
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Post Post #482 (isolation #69) » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:34 pm

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Just because we have a name for it here (and not that many people use it by name) doesn't mean it has to do with meta. The meta part is the name. The psychology holds true anywhere.

Also, #481 is a huge stretch. It's not even remotely the same thing.
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Post Post #493 (isolation #70) » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:10 am

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Um, kcd, that was your reason for calling me town. You've just arbitrarily decided to call the same thing scummy.
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Post Post #535 (isolation #71) » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:31 pm

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Wow, Maxous, I love your case on smargaret. It sums up my thoughts on her beautifully and also found afew new points I'd missed. I feel more sure of my scumread on her after that, and you've secured a townread from me for thinking about several things in a similar way to me (as in, I think we are both coming from a town point of view).

Zinger still beats smargaret, though. He really needs a lot of dead.

I need to do some more in-depth reads asap. I'm in the final stretches of the semester and I've been short on time.
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Post Post #556 (isolation #72) » Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:09 pm

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I do think you are still scummy. However, there isn't going to be more of a case to be had than has been said.

It boils down to this, kcdaspot:

-the rolefishing thing in your "joke"
-your intense buddying of me
-your abandonment of that buddying stance as soon as I started to take heat
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Post Post #561 (isolation #73) » Sun May 01, 2011 9:43 am

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Having Asperger's doesn't make you town.
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Post Post #569 (isolation #74) » Sun May 01, 2011 10:31 am

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Tragedy: Maxous' overall posts look town to me. Chronopie was either not reading as town or scum, and his replacing out to be replaced with someoe I read as town makes me think it's the former.

Zinger has been full of scum, and ranger was scummy before him ... And then only replaced out of THIS game. Then Zinger's replace-in post was the worst case of Amished scumtell that I've EVER seen. Nothing he's done since then has impressed me either.
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Post Post #593 (isolation #75) » Wed May 04, 2011 9:50 am

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Exe wrote:GreyICE and I are on the same wavelength this game, lol.


You, GreyICE, and smargaret are on the EXACT same wavelength, apparently...

Why Maxous, all three of you?
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Post Post #596 (isolation #76) » Wed May 04, 2011 10:10 am

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Exe wrote:I explained my read on Maxous. Both he and his predecessor gave only cursory reads and missed major points. They both attempt to give the illusion of scumhunting without actually contributing anything.

A counterquestion for you Amrun:
In your ISO post 57 you said your suspicions of Smarg had culminated in him being your #1. You seemed pretty sure at the time.
In your post 62 however, he's back to only 4th on your list without much reasoning for the drop.

Was there any reason he dropped? It reads a lot like you forgetting the person you were attacking at the time...



That question was more directed to the others, who didn't explain it as well as you did. I included you since you all had the same votes, which I find strange (esp. Grey and smarg).

Here are the timestamps of those posts:

Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:38 pm (57)
Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:09 am (62)

That's almost a week. A lot of stuff happened in the game in that time period. I didn't fully explain, no, because it was a very busy time for me at school and it was basically all I could do to read and post my read-summaries at the time. It wasn't that I dropped smarg off my radar, it's that other people were currently being more suspicious. She jumped back up later (obviously). (Not a super satisfying answer, but it's the answer I have, nonetheless.)
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Post Post #599 (isolation #77) » Wed May 04, 2011 10:30 am

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GreyICE wrote:
Amrun wrote:
Exe wrote:GreyICE and I are on the same wavelength this game, lol.


You, GreyICE, and smargaret are on the EXACT same wavelength, apparently...

Why Maxous, all three of you?

Chronopie was horrible.
Maxous writes long walls which contain little content. Not impressed.



Agree about Chronopie; disagree about the bolded.


Maxous: That's actually a very good point about Zinger. Why did you not say it before?

At this point, though, I don't think we can trust that mafia doesn't have that information, especially with fakeclaims being fairly standard mod-provided material in the current meta.

His self-vote is more damning than everything else that made him scummy combined and we can't afford to let Zinger live.
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Post Post #610 (isolation #78) » Wed May 04, 2011 2:50 pm

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Kcdaspot, why are you called an elite bodygaurd when you're not an elite bodyguard.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #79) » Wed May 04, 2011 2:51 pm

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The above is just a question, since he obviously can't answer it. That's what is bugging me about his claim; the name is elite bodyguard, but the role is like a joat.
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Post Post #616 (isolation #80) » Wed May 04, 2011 5:29 pm

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I know; it's just that "casual bystander" isn't a standard role name while "elite bodyguard" is.
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Post Post #625 (isolation #81) » Thu May 05, 2011 3:08 am

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^If Zinger flips town, I will suspect MrTrow for this post.
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Post Post #637 (isolation #82) » Fri May 06, 2011 7:08 am

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Zinger is scum and we have his claim. He has self-voted and didn't even make his final post here before going on la.

VOTE: Zinger
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Post Post #639 (isolation #83) » Fri May 06, 2011 9:09 am

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Oh, my b.
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Post Post #642 (isolation #84) » Fri May 06, 2011 10:51 am

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That case is bad. Sooooo bad. If, at some point, I need to go through and detail why many of those are outright wrong or misreps, I will. There are a few valid points, but many of those aren't even close.

Btw if you hadn't realized... The mason "claim" was an obvjoke.

I did want to note that I wasn't aware Zinger was on LA previously. I thought he pmed Tasky during the closing statement phase because that is when Tasky posted that he got the PM.

Also, Zinger's understanding of the Amished scumtell is faulty.

P-edit: No, kcdaspot's claim sounds exactly like the sort of fakeclaim scum-kcda makes. However, Zinger is scummier anyway, but kcda can try and prove his claim tonight with a vig shot.
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Post Post #647 (isolation #85) » Fri May 06, 2011 3:54 pm

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RC, do you think Zinger is scum or not?

Trow: Because your post read to me as having foreknowledge of Zinger's alignment as town and as an attempt to town-buddy knowing that Zinger was soon to flip town. I still think Zinger will flip scum, but IF he does not, that post will be re-examined by me and will make you far more suspect in my eyes.
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Post Post #649 (isolation #86) » Fri May 06, 2011 4:04 pm

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That was what I meant. I just wanted to know who you wanted dead. I didn't phrase that the best way I could have.

Is this simply because lynching a possible VT is better than lynching a possible PR?
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Post Post #659 (isolation #87) » Fri May 13, 2011 9:31 am

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Except the chances that he wasn't mafia are super low.

I bet you he didn't know our votes would be published and self-voted, knowing his team had a janitor. He was hoping to leave a big pile of WIFOM for the game.

He never even bothered to explain his self-vote, iirc.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #88) » Fri May 13, 2011 10:52 am

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Well, I've seen mafia lynch janitors (see farside22's dating game mafia for reference). That is obviously the type I meant.

I didn't consider the possibility of the entire game being noflip... I will not be a super happy camper if this is the case.
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Post Post #665 (isolation #89) » Fri May 13, 2011 10:54 am

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No, kcdapsot needs to say what he did last night if he wants to not be lynched. I've been waiting on him.
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Post Post #667 (isolation #90) » Fri May 13, 2011 11:00 am

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He has claimed a souped-up JOAT with an Elite Bodyguard name, which sounds like kcdaspot fakeclaiming. The vig shot is the only way to test this claim.

I have several reasons for wanting him to speak up.
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Post Post #678 (isolation #91) » Fri May 13, 2011 2:05 pm

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Kcdaspot wrote:
Doombunny9 wrote:
@Kcda- What did you mean when you claimed and said "Now that I have claimed, the mafia must kill at least 5 members of the town to have a chance to take me out of play for good." Also, do you have any idea why your role name is "Elite Bodyguard" and did your PM come with any flavor?


I misinterpreted the game in that, i thought the mafia could go to N0 and off peeps who nominated zinger... leaving me the only one left to kill. GW vote on me would in fact seal the deal on that, but fortunately that can't happen UNLESS i get nommed today.

no. this is a tasky game so i expect him to be tricky like that and other than the name I can not think of anything that i would call "flavor" (i.e. motivation and backstory).

I'll check my pm.



What? WHAT?
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Post Post #685 (isolation #92) » Fri May 13, 2011 2:44 pm

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No, I mean, how could they go back to n0 and kill your whole wagon? Wtf?
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Post Post #687 (isolation #93) » Fri May 13, 2011 2:58 pm

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Okay. Now I see what you mean. Why that would ever occur to you I don't know.

So someone should die tonight because of your vig ability, yes?
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Post Post #690 (isolation #94) » Fri May 13, 2011 3:10 pm

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Okay, then, basically, I say we keep you alive until tomorrow and hope your kill goes through.

Question for town:

Do scum have time machines y/n?
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Post Post #692 (isolation #95) » Fri May 13, 2011 3:17 pm

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But WHY wouldn't it be balanced?
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Post Post #705 (isolation #96) » Fri May 13, 2011 6:27 pm

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Anyway, I might as well answer my own question.

Scum probably have time machines for balance reasons.

But then I thought what if the mod just assumed we'd think that for wifom?

And then I realized I was skullfucking myself and thought I'd get more opinions.
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Post Post #708 (isolation #97) » Fri May 13, 2011 7:04 pm

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I'm working under the assumption that Zinger was janitored by mafia - and furthermore that he was scum himself because of the self vote.
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Post Post #710 (isolation #98) » Fri May 13, 2011 7:22 pm

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ONCE AGAIN

I HAVE SEEN LYNCH JANITORS

READ
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Post Post #712 (isolation #99) » Fri May 13, 2011 7:32 pm

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Yes, that's what I'm saying.
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Post Post #716 (isolation #100) » Fri May 13, 2011 8:05 pm

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Happy birthday, rc!
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Post Post #724 (isolation #101) » Fri May 13, 2011 8:26 pm

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Kcdaspot wrote:i have a unlimited range time machine. thats it.


I can confirm this.

And if scum has a version of your role, I give up. I don't think that's the case though. It's probably a clarity thing.
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Post Post #726 (isolation #102) » Fri May 13, 2011 8:32 pm

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Did you even read d1?
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Post Post #735 (isolation #103) » Sat May 14, 2011 8:11 am

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DB89, why did you just claim a role?
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Post Post #739 (isolation #104) » Sat May 14, 2011 8:34 am

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No, it's not role claiming, but it's saying you're not a VT, right?
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Post Post #740 (isolation #105) » Sat May 14, 2011 8:35 am

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Because aren't VTs called "Casual Bystanders?" And my role is Town X too, but I only revealed that yesterday because I was avoiding a lynch.
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Post Post #752 (isolation #106) » Sat May 14, 2011 6:58 pm

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Tragedy wrote:-=-Jumping around Amrun-=-

#64 -> "Lynch Zinger!"
#66 -> Kcdaspot is surpassed by Zinger in terms of scumminess
#71 -> Zinger should still die.
#74 -> Zinger's post is filled with scumminess,
#77 -> Mentions that Maxous made a good point about Zinger and mentions that Zinger should die
#81 -> Zinger flipping Town = Suspiciousness onto MrTrow
#82 -> Zinger fill of scum even though he self-votes
#84 -> Zinger's misunderstanding of Amished tell is faulty and should still die
#85 -> Points out the fact that MrTrow 'attempts' to town-buddy with Zinger, who should still die


Yes, I believe that #81/85 would be an important point, at the moment.
Since we do not know the exact alignment and role of Zinger, it would bring a bit more suspiciousness onto MrTrow, since some strange things seemed to happen out of nowhere. Also, this is when it came to Amrun and wanting to lynch Zinger... All she did shout out is that Zinger was scum and stuff.
Mhm, this is how scum are becoming a bigger ninjas and just trying to say "VOTE 'EM" or something.
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I wish I knew what you were trying to say.

I said all along that Zinger was scum and stuck with that in all my votes. Still, I have no way of knowing until post-flip, or so I thought, but MrTrow was acting strangely but it would be irrelevant if Zinger flipped scum.

It is not rocket science. What don't you get?
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Post Post #754 (isolation #107) » Sat May 14, 2011 7:45 pm

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The only reason I'm assuming there's a lynch janitor is a) because if there isn't this is a no flip game and I refuse to entertain that notion, b) I HAVE seen it before.

Is GW your only townread, smargaret?
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Post Post #759 (isolation #108) » Sat May 14, 2011 8:35 pm

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Why bother noting that, though?
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Post Post #762 (isolation #109) » Sat May 14, 2011 9:26 pm

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I second smargaret explaining Trow. I kind of glazed over on that part but now that I see it, lolwut.
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Post Post #773 (isolation #110) » Sun May 15, 2011 2:58 pm

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So you're clearing smarg on basis of asking the mod about flips?

Lolno

Trow and smarg for scumbuddies.
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Post Post #775 (isolation #111) » Sun May 15, 2011 4:21 pm

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What's really bugging me is that smarg finds Trow scummy for the "discussed points."

I was the only one discussing Trow's potential scumminess.

I'm supposedly smargaret's top scumread.

This makes smargaret scummier regardless of Trow, but I do see a connection there.
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Post Post #783 (isolation #112) » Sun May 15, 2011 8:24 pm

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Want to explain your case on me, RC?

And I already explained how Zinger probably is scum.
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Post Post #785 (isolation #113) » Sun May 15, 2011 8:42 pm

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Yes, yes. I meant taking into account the lynch and d2 and all that.

Why do you think Zinger is town?
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Post Post #787 (isolation #114) » Sun May 15, 2011 9:01 pm

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Well, what do you think of my explanation of such?
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Post Post #789 (isolation #115) » Sun May 15, 2011 9:17 pm

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Well, if there is a janitor, it's probably an x-shot janitor. How I saw such a role used previously is that there was an x-shot mortician to counter it, but even if the janitor died, the flips weren't public.

I think that Zinger voted for himself because he was scum and did not know that vote count would be public. (I didn't know, for example.)

He never provided an explanation for why he did that, either, and I see NO town motivation that could possibly explain it, either -- even you admitted that.

I think he knew his team had a janitor and that he'd be janitored and planned to WIFOM the town as much as possible before dying, making them think he was town and play the game on that assumption.

Of course, maybe he WAS town; we have no way of knowing. I had a scumread on him, though, so I am inclined to think he is scum.

Nothing really excuses that selfvote, imho.
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Post Post #794 (isolation #116) » Mon May 16, 2011 6:11 am

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RC is free to disagree.

I just wanted to hear his response.

I'm not sure RC is town this game but I can't find anything to peg him as scum and this concerns me.
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Post Post #796 (isolation #117) » Mon May 16, 2011 6:18 am

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No, I do see him as scum, but I can't pinpoint a reason why.
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Post Post #799 (isolation #118) » Mon May 16, 2011 10:14 am

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Iirc he was number 5 on that list.

RC is giving me gut scum, which means my sunconscious is picking up on SOMETHING, I just don't know what. I don't always get this from RC, so it's not just playstyle.

It troubles me because if he really is scum and I can't pinpoint why, it will be hard to build a case and thus hard to take care of him.

I had this problem in a recent game. I KNEW someone was scum but had no formal case and it took me until endgame to lynch him as the last scum, and that was a difficult task.

My feeling isn't as strong with RC here as it was with that player, but it still concerns me.
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Post Post #802 (isolation #119) » Mon May 16, 2011 7:12 pm

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Oooh, that's so fabricated. You said Trow was scum for "reasons being discussed," but now you go back and find your own reasons.
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Post Post #804 (isolation #120) » Mon May 16, 2011 8:07 pm

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Okay.

I re-read it, and I see what you mean. That was not clear at first and I thought you meant the actions currently in discussion. Do you understand what I thought?
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Post Post #806 (isolation #121) » Mon May 16, 2011 9:14 pm

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I think we need to consider the fact that this game is no-flip, but if I really walked into that blindly, then I will be displeased.

Can people really be unlynched with nks?
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Post Post #829 (isolation #122) » Wed May 18, 2011 9:48 pm

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Trow, why are you assuming that when someone time travles, they commute?r
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Post Post #831 (isolation #123) » Thu May 19, 2011 1:50 am

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Mod: Does time travelling act like commuting?


But if you go back in time to a night you already existed in, then you exist twice on those nights.

I assumed those travelling would simply co-exist in both times, but didn't really think about it too closely.

Let's say for example...

Player X chooses to go to Night 5 on Night 2. Scum try to kill player X on Night 2. Kill fails because Player X is in Night 5. Later in the game, Player X travels to Night 2. Does he die?

When do kills resolve?

:?
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Post Post #833 (isolation #124) » Thu May 19, 2011 2:33 am

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Thanks for the clarification.
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Post Post #900 (isolation #125) » Sat May 21, 2011 1:37 pm

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Have you ever expressed suspicion of me before, Grey?
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Post Post #902 (isolation #126) » Sat May 21, 2011 1:44 pm

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Well, I don't know where you come to that conclusion. I have expanded upon my previous suspicions, put forth my theories on what happened yesterday, and add in some more set-up speculation since I did do that. Some of that is more useful than others, but it IS content, and it's a hell of a lot more than you've contributed.

And note I am not voting lynch yet because I am not ready to.

Why didn't you vote to lynch today, Grey?

You very well may be scum this game. Lame.
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Post Post #904 (isolation #127) » Sat May 21, 2011 1:46 pm

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No. Yesterday. You never sent a list in and I want to know why.
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Post Post #906 (isolation #128) » Sat May 21, 2011 2:01 pm

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What's with the smilies and almost complete lack of scumhunting? It's making me uncomfortable.
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Post Post #910 (isolation #129) » Sat May 21, 2011 4:09 pm

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Trow does look better to me after some recent posts.
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Post Post #915 (isolation #130) » Sat May 21, 2011 4:23 pm

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I disagree. I think Tragedy is town.
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Post Post #918 (isolation #131) » Sat May 21, 2011 4:51 pm

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I think she is noticing good things and trying to point them out. I'm fairly certain she is what she claims.

I'm not sure what to think about your post on Grey. My suspicion of Grey grows, but it's not because of that post.
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Post Post #927 (isolation #132) » Sun May 22, 2011 7:54 am

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And why is that, Ghostwriter.

Exe: Agree. No one seems to be listening to sense about Zinger.
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Post Post #929 (isolation #133) » Sun May 22, 2011 8:48 am

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Question for all: did you know our top 2 votes would be public?
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Post Post #931 (isolation #134) » Sun May 22, 2011 8:58 am

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Oh. Well, I didn't. Maybe Zinger didn't?
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Post Post #934 (isolation #135) » Sun May 22, 2011 10:06 am

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Lol. Okay. I disagree. It's already out in the open that I'm a power role. Learn to distinguish between pr tells and scumtells.
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Post Post #937 (isolation #136) » Sun May 22, 2011 11:05 am

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No. I don't think he's correct, as I have scumhunted more than most people in the thread. However, I do have a higher than average lookout for survival due to PR.

And you're also incorrect that I didn't "breadcrumb" until I came under pressure. Are you quite sure you know what bread crumbing means?

I preserved my own survival for the good of the town by saying I am a PR. That's not breadcrumbing.

I do have an actual breadcrumb, but good luck finding it. It's nontraditional on purpose. I think it's too easy for scum to fake the usual sort so I don't do them.

This was my first PR on MS and I tried to be just a little scummy on D1 to avoid the nk. Can you say backfired plan? I can. I learned my lesson.
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Post Post #943 (isolation #137) » Sun May 22, 2011 1:40 pm

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Imaginality: if Zinger didn't know the votes would be revealed but DID know he would be janitored, he may have self-voted to assure he was on the chopping block.

And I said I left hints for RC, or anybody, but I knew RC would catch them bc we have played together before. Those hints started coming after pressure and do not allude to which PR I have. My breadcumb came before pressure and is role-specific.

PIedit: I clearly didn't handle it that well, but as I said, it's my first PR. Technically, it's my first non-scum PR, but whatever. I fail to see how I have handled it in a way that scum would. Either be specific or don't say it.
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Post Post #945 (isolation #138) » Sun May 22, 2011 2:03 pm

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Amrun wrote:Imaginality: if Zinger didn't know the votes would be revealed but DID know he would be janitored, he may have self-voted to assure he was on the chopping block.

And I said I left hints for RC, or anybody, but I knew RC would catch them bc we have played together before. Those hints started coming after pressure and do not allude to which PR I have. My breadcumb came before pressure and is role-specific.

PIedit: I clearly didn't handle it that well, but as I said, it's my first PR. Technically, it's my first non-scum PR, but whatever. I fail to see how I have handled it in a way that scum would. Either be specific or don't say it.


Top part of this post is addressed to MrTrow. P-edit was addressed to imaginality. Sorry.
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Post Post #948 (isolation #139) » Sun May 22, 2011 2:45 pm

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I've played with RC more than anyone else, and knew that he would read my posts carefully since he suspected me.

I did several things to be scummy. The way I pushed kcdaspot early on was supposed to set me up to be a LITTLE scummy. And then I realized that it was making me look a lot more scummy than I intended. Like I said, lesson learned.

Yes, I realized that most PRs have reason to keep quiet. Had I not been clearly headed for a nomination for scummy actions I purposefully engineered that backfired, I would have LOVED not to say I was a PR. Trust me. Still, I have my reasons, which will be expanded upon if I am ever nominated.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I don't think breadcrumbs are important at all. I tried to place one, but I think normal breadcrumbs are stupid, so I didn't do that. When and if I full claim, people will either believe or disbelieve breadcrumbs. I don't put a lot of stock in them myself. They're easy for scum to fake. The nonchalance about my breadcrumb is simply that I think breadcrumbs in general are a crock of shit so I don't care about them. I was just responding to Maxous.
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Post Post #962 (isolation #140) » Mon May 23, 2011 3:39 am

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That's my point, about Zinger. He'd only do that if he thought it would be hidden, because he has something to hide, because he is scum. I think, anyway.

And no, I no longer thing kcdaspot has really any chance of being scum. He is town.

As for the stuff about the claim, I have virtually botched the entire game. I'm not going to sit her and argue that I've played it correctly, because I know I haven't. That's beside the point, though.

You've asked Doombunny one question today, that I could find. What is its relevance to me? I think you mean the line of questioning with kcdaspot.

If so, that's part of the reason I believe kcdaspot. My PM just says that I have an unlimited time machine. No clues about scum whatsoever.
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Post Post #964 (isolation #141) » Mon May 23, 2011 4:40 am

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Not my fault this time. >.>

I would like to hear why you think GreyICE is town.

My head is telling me he isn't town. My gut is telling me he probably.

That's the problems with my reads in this game. They're slipping away from me. My head disagrees with my gut in 90% of cases. My head tells me that X people are scummy, but they FEEL town. My guy tells me that Y people are scummy, but they LOOK town.

I was really looking forward to seeing Zinger's alignment to help solidify some things, but even though I'm 90% convinced he's scum, it's not 100%. Ugh.
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Post Post #971 (isolation #142) » Mon May 23, 2011 7:54 am

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GW, what are you smoking? They were for everyone. Of course everyone saw them. I knew RC would and asked if he'd seen them at one point. Why would I ever go about doing any of that for one person? Especially since my gut tells me that person isn't town?

Exe: He hasn't scumhunted much at all and I've always seen him aggressivlyscumhunt as town. :/
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Post Post #973 (isolation #143) » Mon May 23, 2011 8:11 am

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I don't think he scumhunted as much as usual D1.

But I think I'm lleaning town on him.
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Post Post #975 (isolation #144) » Mon May 23, 2011 8:31 am

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Out of that, you think I didn't think or mean everyone to see them? Really?
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Post Post #977 (isolation #145) » Mon May 23, 2011 9:44 am

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That doesn't make sense. It's not like it's some cryptic code. It's blatantly hinting and then outright saying that I am a PR.
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Post Post #978 (isolation #146) » Mon May 23, 2011 9:44 am

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I feel inclined to channel SpyreX and call this "moonbeams."
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Post Post #980 (isolation #147) » Mon May 23, 2011 9:48 am

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...

No.

Just no.

That's a retarded plan for anyone in any alignment ever.
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Post Post #986 (isolation #148) » Mon May 23, 2011 11:45 am

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Yes, I did suspect kcdaspot yesterday. A couple of things he has said and done over the course of day 2 tell me that he's town.

Grey... I flip-flop on. As I said, my gut tells me he's town while my head tells me he is scum. Which should I trust? I don't know. I'm null leaning town on him pending more information.

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Post Post #989 (isolation #149) » Mon May 23, 2011 12:55 pm

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By Zinger.
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Post Post #993 (isolation #150) » Mon May 23, 2011 4:09 pm

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No, I'm not lying about being a PR "virgin," and I don't think I've ever even played in another game with GhostWriter.

I said I've been scum PR a couple of times, but never town until this game started.
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Post Post #994 (isolation #151) » Mon May 23, 2011 4:10 pm

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Well - I was once a vig, but I received the shot right before I died, so I could never use it and I wasn't a PR from the start of the game. Most of my completed games are in my wiki, minus like one or two I haven't put in there yet.
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Post Post #995 (isolation #152) » Mon May 23, 2011 4:11 pm

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Oh, and I just checked. I was a mason once in a b-mod game that lasted two days. I don't really consider that a PR though.
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Post Post #999 (isolation #153) » Mon May 23, 2011 10:05 pm

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I looked at it again when the conversation came up to see if kcdaspot's answer matched my pm. It did. It's one of the reasons I believe him. I looked again when you asked just now.

And yes, I know that qualifying those things makes it less credible, but I don't really care. I've never had a PR of this type and I've never had one at all in a serious game. Both of those games where I kind of sort of had a PR but not really were bastard mod crazy games that most people leave out of their records. I don't really consider being given a gun in the middle of a game and being a mason as PRs, either, but whatever. My records were always public.
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #154) » Tue May 24, 2011 7:13 am

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I don't know what supposed power role you are talking about, smargaret. If you tell me, I'll address it. I can't, because you're being cryptic.

Trow: I never wanted RC to point it out. I wanted him to back off and find other suspects for the day, and then maybe revisit me on a later day if necessary. Why are people thinking I wanted him to point it out?

Because RC didn't back off and chose to simultaneously rolefish and keep attacking me, it essentially reversed my town read of him.
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Post Post #1017 (isolation #155) » Tue May 24, 2011 8:35 am

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Okay, I looked through my "ongoing games" list and I know what game you're talking about.

I totally forgot that game existed, but even so, I replaced into that game, so I could hardly breadcrumb, but that was like the weakest pr ever and totally non-standard. But I'll grant you that. Whatever. It doesn't matter to what I was saying anyway. You're nitpicking and trying to catch me in a lie when it's clear that it's totally irrelevant to what I was talking about. I woudnt say "I've never been scum" when my record shows I have and I wouldn't say "I've never been in this situation with a pr" if my record would show I had. I haven't.

You're focusing on little things that don't matter to the game and I think a townie would be far more interested in my alignment and the possibility of lynching a town PR than nitpicking over dumb shit.
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Post Post #1037 (isolation #156) » Fri May 27, 2011 12:27 pm

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I am a Town Scientist, which basically amounts to a doctor, just with a different name.

My active ability is called "force field.". I have a time machine of unlimited range, but I cannot travel to days (only nights).

I did indeed use my ability last night, but due to the nature of the game, I won't share my time or target.

If I am allowed to live tonight, I am guaranteed to protect one more person from a kill at X time, which wil leave 2 floating protections out there. Hopefully, I can escape a kill for at least one more night due to time shenanigans.

I want everyone to know that my role PM contained a casual bystander role PM and certification that all casual bystanders are town-aligned.

So I have been playing the game assuming scum would have at least this for a fakeclaim and would be aware, thus making Zinger's knowledge of the VT role totally null.

The only thing that made me doubt is Trow's (or imaginality, I seriously mix them up for some reason, I think the avatars; I checked when I sent my list in but I forget now and I'm on the road). One of those two said, "the VT role is apparently Casual Bystander.". I skipped over it at first but noticed later and it made me think. What if scum are the only ones without that knowledge at game start and that was a flip?

This is something I wanted the town to note in case it becomes relevant later.

But it seems that my vote was the tie breaker and I placed smargaret on the block with me. I'm glad, because if I win this "battle," as I hope, and die for revealing, as I fear, I will have taken a scumread with me.

What put smargaret on my radar was her strange dancing around the kcdaspot/Amrun issue on day 1. She seemed content to make little off-hand comments instead of posing questions or applying pressure until she in turn was pressured for this behavior. At this point, she began to push the false dichotomy that one of kcdaspot and I had to be scum, or we were both scum. She did this without regard to possible mislynches. As it turns out, she was lining up mislynches. Day 2 was slightly better from her, but she made some strange connections and seemingly agreed with my "case" on Trow despite me being her top scumspect, then backtracked on that - either way, sharing a scumread with me, which makes little sense. Then she pushed me on nitpicky details about incomplete games in a way that really seemed like fabricatied scumhunting, trying to push me into some sort of fake slip. All in all, I will be happy to see her die today. Hopefully, we'll even get a flip.

My strongest townreads are kcdaspot and Tragedy. Kcdaspot's paraphrases of his role PMs fit too closely to mine to be fake. I've seen him fakeclaiming as scum and this isn't it. Tragedy's efforts are genuine and she notices some great things.

My "secret breadcrumb" was attacking kcdaspot for his doctor joke. I was sensitive to a possible doctor claim because I KNEW he wasn't it. I pushed it harder than I normally would in an effort to seem just a "bit" scummy, but lolbadplanwasbad.

I hope I am believed, but if I am not, bah go town.

I can keep submitting actions after I die in case time shenanigans revive me, so I'll keep working for town if I can. Needless to say, if I am lynched, this is highly unlikely to ever happen and I don't see how it could, though I'm not ruling it out.
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Post Post #1408 (isolation #157) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:01 am

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Good game, everyone.

Tasky, I have a serious problem with being the only town pr to receive a sample vt role pm. I consider that bastard modding for sure. There was just no concrete reason to do it at all.

Other than that, I enjoyed the game. I don't blame town for lynching me; I played kind of scummily on purpose and then with the pm confliction, it made sense. I'm still smoothing out my PR play.

I just have to say FUCKING LOL ABOUT ME BEING RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING TROLOLOL. Zinger was scum and it was a lynch janitor.
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Post Post #1421 (isolation #158) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:56 pm

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I don't really understand punishing players for assuming role PMs are standardized. But I enjoyed the set-up and don't think it was truly a big deal. I just disagree with you and wouldn't do that myself.
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