Time Travel Mafia (Game Over)

[Tasky]

mod: Is this a no-flip game, do you reveal alignment only, or alignment+role when a player is lynched/killed at night?

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[GreyICE]

Question: Does any of this really even matter anymore. I'm pretty sure everyone knows by now that there are crazy lynch and night mechanics so there's no need to keep talking about it and going off on tangents. I understand that it may be confusing to some but after three pages, we should be having some discussion about things other than mechanics. So as of right now I'm going to declare this a RQS to (hopefully) get the ball rolling:

@Everyone-What is your opinion of policy lynches and Lynch all Lurkers/Lynch all Liars in particular?
Have you played with any of the people in this game before?
How active are you?

As for me, I only support a policy lynch if there are no better lynches to go off of. I also only follow Lynch all Lurkers if there is other evidence to support them being scum but I am a heavy beleiver in Lynch all Liars since town rarely have a good reason to lie. I have played with Chrono, RC, smar, GW, and Exe before and I try to post three times a day spread out every day.

And one more thing: This shouldn't need to be mentioned but any killing roles should kill and when docs see a dead power role they should go back in time and protect them for an insta-clear.

If you have any relation to Enigma, I have a strong belief in policy lynches.

[RedCoyote]

Spoiler: Quick Notes

1 Mafia, no third parties
Discussion phase (lynch or no lynch; need 2/3 players) (1.1.3 what if we choose no lynch or don't choose something before the deadline?)
Send Mod a list of all players in order of lynch preference (even dead ones... interesting)
Top two players from every list = count as vote?
Two people will be selected from the compilation of all players' lists and only given one "defense" post
Have to send mod another list? (1.3.3 what if a player not in the "top two" gets more votes?)
Time Traveling means only moving day->day not day->night
Move between D1 and N10
2.1.5 do not understand, need clarification
actions need to target living players in that time
2.3.2 define temporal paradox? I'm assuming this means, like, shooting yourself in a previous time?

I've got five questions about the setup,

Mod

. If you could indulge me as best as you can, I'd appreciate it.

1.) In regards to 1.1.3, what happens if we choose no lynch or do not successfully reach a 2/3 vote during the discussion phase?
2.) In regards to 1.2.3, what if there is a tie in the number of votes during the nomination phase for either the first or second place finishers?
3.) In regards to 1.3.3, what happens if a player who wasn't in the top two during the nomination phase gets more list votes during the lynch phase?
4.) In regards to 2.1.5, can you just dumb that whole rule down for me? Or perhaps elaborate it some? Like, when you say "new time", you mean the time that the traveling player traveled to? When you say the player is not affected by actions that happen to him in the original time, does this include lynches?
5.) In regards to 2.3.2, could you define temporal paradox for us and/or give us an example of this, please?

[RedCoyote]

I'm confirming that I understand my role and win condition.

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Please tell me I'm not the only one who needs to read the rules another 27 times?

No, lol. It took me a few times. I still have a lot of questions.

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nameclaim: The Doctor

Discuss.

I don't believe you.

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On a related note, we put NO ONE at L-1 without planning. L-2 is the HIGHEST we go, because otherwise a time traveling scum shot could flip the lynch target.

In other words, we're going to discuss our lists beforehand, yes?

I fully agree with this approach for the time being.

Everyone needs to take a heaping slice of humble pie in regards to the lists. I'm assuming the Mod will not be interested in a list with a bunch of "five players tied for last" in it. Don't be afraid to rank people.

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We need to include any dead mafiates at the top of every lynching list. It would be incredibly not funny to have a single surviving mafiate go back several days and take out the vig and/or doc, while reviving teammates.

Agreed. Good point in bringing this up, btw.


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You scumhunt and interact, once you feel confident in a scum-read of some sort, then you vote for the lynch phase to start.

It's not rocket science. Treat it like it's mafia until it isn't mafia.

Discussion Phase (Who are we nominating? Why? What Order? [16 DAYS - 6 DAYS]) -> Nomination Phase (Everyone get your nominations in! [48 HOURS]) -> Lynch Phase (Why should you be saved, X? Everyone get your final vote lists in! [48 HOURS]) -> Night Phase (zzz [72 HOURS]

And then it repeats again.

Of course the time traveling mechanic will screw with this a little bit, but this is the basic format if you want a cliff notes version of what's going on (not you specifically, Exe, but I'm just sort of talking this through in my head and using your quote as a springboard for others that read this post).

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What is your opinion of policy lynches and Lynch all Lurkers/Lynch all Liars in particular?
Have you played with any of the people in this game before?
How active are you?

No absolutes in either way. Lurkers are generally a safe D1 lynch barring anything else though. Lying should be assessed on its own merits.
I've played with everyone except Trow and Ranger, I believe.
Not very active by MS standards. Very active by my own standards.

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I voted for lynch because I do have a clear scum candidate and didn't see the harm in one person voting lynch.

I don't like how nonchalant of an attitude you have here. First off, you're not the only one voting lynch right now. Second, you're coming off too strong for my tastes. Third, I don't think you understood the mechanics exactly (you admitted as such), and, thus, are guilty at least to a degree of trying to move this game along too quickly.

I'm not saying your scum for not understanding the game (I've still got questions myself), but I don't like this tone in general where you're kind of casually dismissing Grey's points altogether.

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I wasn't rolefishing. I was joking. <<End of discussion.

"End of discussion"?

Excuse me, you're the one who brought it up. You told us to discuss it.

So, if the discussion is over, what did you learn from your joke?

[Amrun]

I did re-read the rules and noticed the 48 hours nomination phase rule. Woops. Missed that one.

I also second the motion for Tasky to define "temporal paradox."

[Amrun]

Oh, forgot.

VOTE: No Lynch

For now, obviously.

[GreyICE]

I assume temporal parodox is anything too irritating to work out.

[Kcdaspot]

I wasn't rolefishing. I was joking. <<End of discussion.

"End of discussion"?

Excuse me, you're the one who brought it up. You told us to discuss it.

So, if the discussion is over, what did you learn from your joke?

That no one gets Doctor Who references.

[Amrun]

I got the reference but you definitely did not need to nameclaim "The Doctor" to make a Doctor Who joke.

[MrTrow]

I assume temporal parodox is anything too irritating to work out.

or just flat out impossible: like the 'grandfather-paradox'.
an action cannot undo itsself:
I believe (cant find it though) the given example during pre-in was.
You can`t go from n3 to n1 to kill the doc, if the doc is the only reason you survived n2.

[Tasky]

YEAH! Everybody's present.
This means that the game starts, NOW! I wish you all good luck and a lot of fun.

Deadline for Day 1 is in 3+13=16 days, that is 30.04.2011 at 19:00 CET.

[Tasky]

LYNCHCOUNT 1.1

LYNCH (0/8): //
NO LYNCH (13): MrTrow, Chronopie, Mist7676, RedCoyote, smargaret, Amrun, Tragedy, GhostWriter, RangeroftheNorth, Doombunny9, Kcdaspot, GreyICE, Exe

Deadline is 30.04.2011, 19:00 CET.

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1.) In regards to 1.1.3, what happens if we choose no lynch or do not successfully reach a 2/3 vote during the discussion phase?
2.) In regards to 1.2.3, what if there is a tie in the number of votes during the nomination phase for either the first or second place finishers?
3.) In regards to 1.3.3, what happens if a player who wasn't in the top two during the nomination phase gets more list votes during the lynch phase?
4.) In regards to 2.1.5, can you just dumb that whole rule down for me? Or perhaps elaborate it some? Like, when you say "new time", you mean the time that the traveling player traveled to? When you say the player is not affected by actions that happen to him in the original time, does this include lynches?
5.) In regards to 2.3.2, could you define temporal paradox for us and/or give us an example of this, please?

1. As soon as deadline of a day hits, the game enters nomination phase.

2. If there is a tie for second place, the one who came first chooses from them. if this is not possible or in any other case, I choose randomly

3. Only players on the block (i.e. the two with more votes after nomination) can be lynched. All other players will be skipped on the list.

4. An example (hopefully making it clear): X travels from night 1 to night 2. If Y attempts to kill X in night 1 he will fail. If Y targets X to kill in night 2, X will die in night 1 too (you can imagine the X of night 1 dying in the future an therefore not waking up for D2).
This does not include lynches (the whole lynch process).

5. Everything that is logically impossible. Example: N2 a doc prevents X from dying. N3 X goes back to N1 and kills the doc. (this is obviously not possible, because if X dies in N2 he can't go back to kill the doc and therefore is protected, and therefore kills the doc and therefore dies N2, etc.)

[Kcdaspot]

Amrun is town BTW. He actually gives a fuck.

scum vibes from EXE. too early to say anything though.

Mist is mist.

add RC to the town list.

[Tragedy]

Amrun is town BTW. He actually gives a fuck.

scum vibes from EXE. too early to say anything though.

Mist is mist.

add RC to the town list.

I don't see anything too townie here to make RC absolute town in my list, that includes Amrun. I guess it was still the Confirmation Phase. . .
Exe...

[Mist7676]

Question: Does any of this really even matter anymore. I'm pretty sure everyone knows by now that there are crazy lynch and night mechanics so there's no need to keep talking about it and going off on tangents. I understand that it may be confusing to some but after three pages, we should be having some discussion about things other than mechanics. So as of right now I'm going to declare this a RQS to (hopefully) get the ball rolling:

Might just be scum trying to get attention away from themselves?

Amrun is town BTW. He actually gives a fuck.

scum vibes from EXE. too early to say anything though.

Mist is mist.

add RC to the town list.

YEAH! Everybody's present.
This means that the game starts, NOW! I wish you all good luck and a lot of fun.

Deadline for Day 1 is in 3+13=16 days, that is 30.04.2011 at 19:00 CET.

LOL I thought day had already started!

[GhostWriter]

The only person to have said anything of "uber townie" level is Chrono.

Kdad's OMGUS, however, is noted.

[GhostWriter]

EBWOP: Kcda's

[Doombunny9]

Kcdaspot's "joke" is anti-town any way you toss it; it's rolefishing and no real doctor would do it, confirming he's not the doctor for scum if there is one. I don't think town would have done such a thing.

Joking=scum? What is this I don't even...

Might just be scum trying to get attention away from themselves?

Huh? How was I trying to get discussion off of myself.

Kdad's OMGUS, however, is noted.

But he said he thought Amrun was town...

I still think that its still too soon for me to label anyone as scum or town yet but that will probably soon change.

[Amrun]

No. L2 read. That particular vote could be face value or it could be scum motivated.

There's not much suspicious to get out of pre-game, but the moment I enter the thread I start playing the game.

[Amrun]

*joke, not vote

[Mist7676]

I meant people still talking about mechanics I think we all get it by now.

[GhostWriter]

The OMGUS wasn't towards Amrun. It was at Exe.

[Doombunny9]

I don't think town would have done such a thing.

=/=

That particular vote could be face value or it could be scum motivated.

Anyway, Ghost does bring up a good point about kcda and Exe. @kcda-Care to explain why you think Exe is scum?

[GreyICE]

Ranger of the North. Page 4. Bookmark it.

[Kcdaspot]

He buddyed to me, and then did a 180.

amrun kept his stance.

i suspect EXE but it being so early i can only FOmS him.

keep your eye on that slot.