Mini 1148 -- Spare Me Mafia (Game Over)

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #178 (isolation #0) » Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:43 pm

Spare: The Mask

Brb, figuring out how to reverse scumhunt.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #180 (isolation #1) » Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:40 am

V/LA until Saturday

Almost forgot >.>

Noted

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #503 (isolation #2) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:09 am

Hey Fate.
Can we smash through the scum, like the old days? You know, Carpe Diem and that kinda shit.

So... Save Apok and Tony, get Umbrage on that block, and klazam/IS with him for good measure. Chess will shoot scum.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #553 (isolation #3) » Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:40 am

It's a policy spare.
Mask is not the type of player you let die on D1.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #555 (isolation #4) » Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:45 am

yeah i'm just chillin though

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #558 (isolation #5) » Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:54 am

Freewill has to die, yeah. I was hoping he would perish through the fire and the flames, but a quiet strangling is alright too, I suppose.
CK is either going to shoot some scum with that crackheaded gut of his, draw the NK, or draw the RBer. All very good things.

Mask sparing me is good. Why would I disapprove of a save on town?
I don't think his one post of substance has been thoroughly scummy.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #643 (isolation #6) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:44 pm

Okay, two things.

@Umbrage:
How does CK's role work for scum? Mafia are worried above surviving above everything else. So, making scum need 2 votes to survive means that he will HAVE to claim it D1, no matter what. This means that scumbuddies will have to be VERY careful about saving him, since there's not really a chance Mr. Two-Votes-to-live will survive to LyLo, and RC says "look at the voting records" in one of his first posts, meaning that CK will have to rely mostly on town votes to save him, which probably won't come unless he fakeclaims something awesome (and awesome things are usually counterclaimed). And of all things, he claims vig. Now, as scum, that's a fucktarded fakeclaim. You can only go "herpderp I got blocked" for so long. The only way he would be able to get away with it is if scum get two kills everytime chesskid gets 2 votes, but that's ridiculously overpowered and stupid, considering our town counterbalance in that situation would be a rolecop power for two votes. In other words, chesskidscum means that he's quite literally bus fodder.

@Freewill:
Do you know why we have bankable deadlines? So we can have an incentive for having one lynch days. Do we want everyone to die in a blood-crazed frenzy, or do we want to plan our shit out and be tactical and discuss thoroughly? The choice is ours, just like the world.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #645 (isolation #7) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:39 pm

IS wrote:If there was no claim, CK turns up dead D1, Unless his scum buddies save him.
If there was no claim, I just dont get to investigate. Unfortunate, but its not DEATH.

If there was no claim, CK dies. If scumbuddies try to put 2 saves on someone, people are going to ask why. So, again, CK scum would have to draw all that attention Day 1.

IS wrote:But the fact that CK needs a vote to SURVIVE throws everything off. Why dont I need a vote to live, but he does? I claimed as an example that im about as town as it gets and I dont need a vote to survive, but somehow CK is more townie than me and needs that vote? If those are restrictions for a town, then what could possibly be a restriction for scum? Nothing? They already have an inherent advantage from the setup (assuming they can just save each other), needing two votes is an awesome equalizer FOR THE SCUM.

What balances out Chesskid? Fishy.
Fishy is pretty much an innocent child at this point because his role is too damn broken for him to be scum. Hell, he doesn't NEED a save vote to live, he just goes on surviving. If he was scum, we would be absolutely screwed because the only way we could kill him is by vigging him, and that's just stupid considering the setup is scum-leaning.

Why do you have an optional vote for power? To give town more power over the choosing aspect.
If we are more bloodthirsty, we have more votes to spare.
Thus, we're able to keep chessvig in the game (moar bloodlust), and you can investigate people (more power).
If we want to be more careful, we don't get to keep chessvig, and you don't get to investigate.
Plus, don't you see how you, chesskid, and fishy balance one another out?

Chess - Needs 2 votes to live.
You - Could use 2 votes for bonuses, only need one.
Fishy - Doesn't need any votes to live.

Anyways, I like my Kool-Aid.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #656 (isolation #8) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:51 am

I don't need the ear of people who are fine with me going away without a chance to prove myself.

You lurk too much. You're beyond redemption.
Sorry

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #658 (isolation #9) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:52 am

Says the guy who's apparently less valuable than the guy with 10 posts.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #670 (isolation #10) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:19 pm

Freewill wrote:Yo Nacho. Do you have any idea what vezok is talking about in his posts?

Nope.

Save: Vezok

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #671 (isolation #11) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:20 pm

Spare: Vezok

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #694 (isolation #12) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:47 am

IS, if we give you three spare votes can you daykill this guy?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #696 (isolation #13) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:50 am

TonyMontana wrote:Freewill, I'm more or less ok with as a lynch. His constant confusion about the game mechanics seemed feigned, his vague spare of vezok which he constantly excused, and consequently threw vezok under the bus with a light stab to justify it.

And this is why I'm the one everyone likes, tony.

Scum spares vezok until two days before deadline.
Scum throws vezok under bus to save obvscum.

Vezok = town.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #700 (isolation #14) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:00 am

Nope. You needed time to rolefish so you could see if vezok was just a crazy rambling VI or a powerrole.

And yes, Freewill. I'm suggesting we should all simply stay on the same votes for the rest of the day. Which is exactly why I quite literally changed my vote four seconds after you did.
(lol now thats sarcasm)

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #701 (isolation #15) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:01 am

sorry chesskid you gotta shoot her.
freewill isn't going to let go of saving his buddy just yet.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #703 (isolation #16) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:10 am

Freewill wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:Nope. You needed time to rolefish so you could see if vezok was just a crazy rambling VI or a powerrole.

And yes, Freewill. I'm suggesting we should all simply stay on the same votes for the rest of the day. Which is exactly why I quite literally changed my vote four seconds after you did.
(lol now thats sarcasm)
Right. Which is why your thing doesn't make a lot of sense. How do I know you're not doing the same thing here? GASP! In fact, you just unspared our replacement who you had been saving since the begininng of the game for "policy" reasons.

Get real.

do you continue policy lynching someone who's being replaced? no.
do you continue policy sparing someone who's being replaced? no.

have you been voting vezok because you said there were no alternatives? yes.
has apok done absolutely anything since you've said that? no.

so there's logic for me to have a changing vote. no logic for you though.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #709 (isolation #17) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:39 am

Freewill wrote:It seems to me that lynching and saving are counteracting forces. If you'd not lynch someone in Game 1 because they've been replaced in, why wouldn't you save that person in Game 2? They're the same action arrived at differently.

Policy lynch shitty players, policy save good ones.

Freewill wrote:Just as I said, I'd change my vote when I have a better alternative, and I wanted to see what Vezok actually had to say or you had to say about vezok's using you to "confirm" himself as town.

And what did you expect to learn from this line of questioning? I see no use for it other than outing vezok if he's a PR.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #711 (isolation #18) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:07 am

Freewill wrote:Whether he's just making up shit or not. His one claim to towniness is his PR stunt where he relies on you. HE came out and said that, not me. This wasn't in RVS either. This was in response to having people think he's scum.

Whether he's making up shit or not = whether he has a PR or not. It doesn't matter if he brought it up or not, this dumb middleground you're taking is rolefishing. If you were town, you would either A) push him to a hardclaim or B) ignore the situation. But instead, you unspare vezok, who apparently has a way to confirm himself as town through me and start questioning him on it.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #717 (isolation #19) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:20 am

Freewill wrote:In my experience, looking for people who are "rolefishing" is one of the surest way to catch town.

So you're not going to deny that you're rolefishing, you're just going to say that people who rolefish are town?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Freewill wrote:I'm scum and caught.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #727 (isolation #20) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:06 pm

wait.
is lynch pool seriously
klazam + freewill + apok
right now?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #762 (isolation #21) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:08 pm

VEZOK

Spare me in your next post, or I'm removing my spare vote.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #767 (isolation #22) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:13 pm

Protoss, for god's sakes, just put all of those damn posts into one catchup post so I can skim them without spamming the page down button.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #772 (isolation #23) » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:27 am

Now Protoss, save Fate and realized how futile everything you've done has been.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #780 (isolation #24) » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:59 am

Fate wrote:Damn it....

I don't see scum saving me at the last minute when they could justify letting me die.

OR IS THAT WHAT YOU WHAT ME TO THINK

YOU TWO FACED BASTARD

I've been confident in Freewill being town since we got into that little argument.

Buuuuut he should die by policy. Because I would rather winning/losing be decided by Fate.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #781 (isolation #25) » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:13 am

But anyways, I don't really like the idea of Fate being saved by one of the damned. Because if he unspares right before deadline, then Fate's screwed and there's no loss for scum-Freewill.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #792 (isolation #26) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:55 am

Umbrage, if you could spare Fishy right now, that would be amazing. It will bring us closer to the proper threshold, but it won't affect anything else.
Freewill should save Protoss.

I would also feel much, much better if Duplicity saved chesskid and Klazam saved Tony Montana.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #797 (isolation #27) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:48 am

Freewill wrote:by voting someone who already has a spare, protos makes it so the mafia get to choose at least one person not to get saved.

save someone else.
preferably protoss.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #799 (isolation #28) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:53 am

Umbrage, if you could spare Fishy right now, that would be amazing. It will bring us closer to the proper threshold, but it won't affect anything else.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #801 (isolation #29) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:16 am

Do you know what the word preferably means?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #803 (isolation #30) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:23 am

We need to have more people saved, not more votes stacking on those already saved.

Otherwise we won't make threshold and a random anti-town will decide who is saved and who dies.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #870 (isolation #31) » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:16 pm

Internet Stranger wrote:This is so exciting. I can't wait until deadline. Either a bunch of scum will die or we will know who is based on all this deadline activity. This rocks!

Shut up, you.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #880 (isolation #32) » Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:23 pm

Freewill...

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #924 (isolation #33) » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:54 pm

Spare: Vezok

Obviously we're masons.
Vezok called me his buddy at least 40 times.
We both used two word phrases from this website: I used Carpe Diem, vezok used Let's roll.

But, honestly, there's quite literally not shit you can do if you don't believe our claim because all that will happen is we will cross-spare one another until LyLo, so.
I will be reading the game after posting elsewhere. We will be going for maximum death today, though.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1009 (isolation #34) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:01 pm

If IS wants facts, then here are a couple.

FACT:
Vezok and I share an alignment.

FACT:
If IS is town, Fishy is town.
This means that if Fishy isn't town, IS is a buddy.

FACT:
Last night, IS was not roleblocked. And based on the two kill night, I'm presuming chesskid wasn't blocked either.

FACT:
There are most likely two mafia members remaining.

In other words, Vezok, myself, and Fishy will be cleared by a scumflip/scum investigation.
I am cleared by Vezok's town status, and he is cleared by mine.
IS will not be roleblocked tonight.
A townflip from IS clears Fishy.

One of vezok and I should not be killed since a scumflip gives two confirmed town going into the night as opposed to one.
IS shouldn't be killed because he's most likely going to die during the night anyways. And if by some ungodly chance he does survive the night, then he will have an extra investigation to give us.
Fishy shouldn't be killed because there's an innocent investigation on him.

So, the only thing that makes any sort of sense in this situation is to kill from one the unconfirmables (Apok, Tony, Umbrage, Duplicity). We have to spare 6 people to meet the threshold, meaning that we'll kill two out of that group.

Reading up on which two we should kill now.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1018 (isolation #35) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:57 am

Umbrage wrote:^ again, not taking into account the possibility that IS is scum.

Doesn't matter, unless you're proposing we kill him today.

Tony wrote:FACTCHECK:
You don't know IS was not roleblocked, cause you don't know IS is town.

If IS was scum, then he wasn't roleblocked by scum. And if he was scum being roleblocked by town, then that doesn't matter at all.

Tony wrote:FACTCHECK:
Do I even need to comment on you ASSUMING there is two mafia members left?

Yes, I think you do. If there's less than two members, then vezok, fishy, and I can't be scum.
If there's more than two members, then this game is insanely unbalanced.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1022 (isolation #36) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:45 am

Going through ISOs...

Apok:

Also, I have been throwing reads out. None of the "oh I have a super secret FoS" stuff either.

Don't like this. By this point, the only read Apok threw out their was a scumread on chess, who this quote was directed at.

Also, I strongly disagree with me/Duplicity dying, I would prefer The Mask/Tony. I'm not too sure at all about chess's claim, but I suppose it's best to let him live until tomorrow.

If Apok is scum, then Tony isn't. It's also pretty unlikely she's scum with Duplicity, but that's less sure. Don't really like her "well I guess we'll let chess live tomorrow" crap. Sounds to me like she's trying to avoid stepping on chess's toes without looking suspicious for a complete 360 degree turn.

chesskid3--Hoo boy. There's a lot of stuff going on here. Basically, all my reads on him devolve into a bunch of WIFOM: Would scum really claim vig needing two votes given how conspicuous it is? Is he fake claiming? Is that his real claim? WOuld it be balanced in this game? At the moment, I'm inclined to believe that he's telling the truth, but I end up going back and forth a lot. That being said, he's obviously not dying today.

How many words does it take to say "null"? It's like Apok is afraid of admitting a null read on such a high profile suspect.

Apokalyptika wrote:Ok, so you're masons now I guess. Hard to believe scum would fakeclaim masons, hard to believe masons would be so scummy.

I don't know what kind of shenanigans may be going on under the surface, but I think it would be counterproductive to rolefish more.

Spare: IS
We definitely need an investigation on one of the "masons".

Directing an investigation? What?

Apokalyptika wrote:Ok, maybe I've missed something, but why is there an assumption that there is a singular town role that (somehow) stops scum from cross-sparing?

[blatant unfounded speculation]

Maybe it's some restriction of the mafia. Maybe at least one mafia has to be spared by some non-mafia member. Maybe if they all cross-spare, they get no NK.

[/blatant unfounded speculation]

Something like this would make infinitely more sense than some magical immortal townie that singlehandedly cripples scum.

Don't like the tags Apok felt inclined to put around her speculation. Here she seems to be preemptively defending accusations of having inside information. I smell fear.

Overall, Apok probably shouldn't be spared today. Not sure how she compares to the rest of them, though.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:01 am

TonyMontana:

TonyMontana wrote:
Umbrage wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:
spare: vezo

I'm gonna start "sparing" my suspects, and I don't like the questioning of his own town cred
Please don't. It's way too confusing. FoS if you must.
Thought it more of a practical thing. Like if deadline/lynchlevel nears, i can move off them to get them lynched. (if i'm the only one on them)

But this would be selfish, and fuck up vote counts, i guess.

spare: Fate

You know, I actually like this. I'm sure when the scum realized that they could do this to get people lynched when they were about to die that THEY weren't all outward about it.

The rest of his ISO is pretty damn bare. Apok's scummier, though, and he can't be scum with Apok.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:04 am

Umbrage is town.
I don't think there's an argument against that.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:10 am

And, by PoE, that makes Duplicity scum, since Tony and Apok aren't scum together.

So, here's how votes should be placed:
Vezok spares Nacho.
Nacho spares Vezok.
IS spares Umbrage.
Umbrage spares IS.
TonyMontana spares IS.
Apok spares TonyMontana.
Duplicity spares Apok.

Result will be Duplicity dying.
If Duplicity lets Apok die, then he's scum and we know that TonyMontana has a 90% chance of being scum, or an IS/Umbrage townread is wrong.
If he doesn't, then IS should most likely investigate one of the Apok/Tony duo and we'll have a good chance of hitting scum the next day.
If Duplicity flips town, then one of Umbrage/IS is scum and one of Apok/Tony is scum.

Any argument against that?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:19 am

Umbrage Towntells:

1) Calling the claimed vig "confirmed scum". I seriously doubt that scum have the balls to annoy the shit out of someone who can shoot them that much. There's likely not a mafia doctor or a bulletproof mafia due to the whole vig having to claim on Day 1 thing, and even if there were, it's pretty stupid to draw their fire anyways.

2) Being the first to draw attention to the fact that Mask and me were cross sparing.

3)

Umbrage wrote:Why the hell would I spare Protoss? He's scum.

Spare: Apok

Towntell #3 is somewhat diluted if Apok is scum, but not by far, considering chess was breadcrumbing killing Apok all day.

And yes, I've played with Umbrage before.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:20 am

Umbrage wrote:The one thing I DID do in that game (where you were scum with me) was distract the town by proposing ridiculous suggestions for the day,

Like killing one claimed mason to confirm the other?
No, that's not ridiculous at all >.>

Nachomamma8 · Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:29 am

Yes, Duplicity. Multiple people DID do that. Let's look at them:

Fate wrote:you are the vig that can mess with votes and prisoners dillemas and waffles for breakfast

LOLYEAHOK

NOW CONFIRMED TOWN.

Internet Stranger wrote:So Chesskid is a Vig that dies unless he gets two votes? So now Chess is saying that not only does an extra person get to die because of him during the day due to the extra vote, now yet ANOTHER EXTRA PERSON gets to die at night because of Chesskid?

So now Chesskid is supposedly worth 2 extra lives every day? LOLOLOL
DIE SCUM. DIE.

Umbrage, if I have to full claim at this point to cement the Scum claim on Chesskid, then I will.

If I get a second vote a day, I get a ROLE COP ability. No extra restrictions. If I get a second vote, I get to check someone's role at night. Simple.
I already pretty much claimed a power role, but I think ensuring that ChesskidSCUM doesnt cost us even more lives is worth the trade off.

Obviously, I shouldnt say who I will investigate tonight if I am given this second vote. But surely I can be verified by tomorrow fairly easily.
Im thinking that there are enough scummy looking suspects at this point to warrant the second vote and I think I can put the investigation to good use, but its not a requirement for my survival.

The only requirement right now for me is that Chesskid can not be allowed to drag people down with his SCUMMY self.

LIKELY TOWN.

2) You linked me to post #552.
SAY HELLO TO POST #506.

3) He refused the opportunity to save his scumbuddy in order to spare Apok? No. Hell no.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:30 am

Reg I think you might wanna start yelling at the G man right about now because you're havin a bit of trouble keeping up with the thread alone.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:34 am

She didn't mention me and Mask cross sparing there, now did she?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:43 am

Basic math, Dupe.
X = "(Flipped scum) should die!"
Y = Reasoning.

X - Y = Distancing
Y - X = NOT Distancing.

Duplicity wrote:Excuse the double negate it's early morning here. Still waiting on you to go through my ISO.

I will if you die and flip town. Otherwise, fuck that.
If you want to prove that you're town, I'd appreciate that.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:02 am

Look at it this way, Duplicity:
I'm confident to the fact that you are scum to the point where I don't need to read your ISO. In other words, it's already too late for me to just glance through a bunch of posts you've already made and declare you town because I've already fallen into confirmation violence. I would be far more receptive if you were willing to attempt to prove yourself town to me.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:53 am

Umbrage wrote:Right now, Fishy is the one confirmed townie. If neither of you die, scum will likely kill him. But if one of you dies, then we have a guaranteed confirmed townie going into tomorrow.

Unless there's that second killing role that you're talking about, then you kill one of us during the day, and the second killing role kills the other mason during the night, meaning no confirmed townie going into tomorrow.

Umbrage wrote:The last thing we need is for people to doubt you. Because you do look very suspicious, town or scum, there's a good chance that you'll be killed in lylo, and then it's game over.

If I make it into LyLo, then two things will occur:
1) Vezok will be dead, meaning that I'm confirmed. I won't die.
2) Vezok will be alive, meaning that I'm cross sparing with him. I won't die.

Umbrage wrote:There's still the chance of a second killing role, making it possible, even likely that you will both die tonight.

Then let the second killing role kill both of us, instead of letting it take a free shot at one of our other two powerroles.

Umbrage wrote:Scum might decide to kill IS instead of Fishy or the mason pair. That removes our most valuable role, and leave no other way for you two to become confirmed.

If they decide to kill IS instead of fishy or the mason pair, then we have 3 confirmed town vs 3 non-confirmed town. I'd say our chances would be pretty good in that situation.

Umbrage wrote:Please, do what's best for town.

I'm doing my best to. But still having trouble seeing how your plan works.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:54 pm

Umbrage, address my responses.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1050 (isolation #49) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:46 pm

Umbrage wrote:If there is a second scum faction, chances are both factions know about the other one. So if this is the case, then they will both aim for the masons with a 50/50 chance they wipe them both out. But if there's only one mason, it creates confusion. The best kill isn't clear, increasing the chances they aim for the same person.

Oh, you're arguing a second mafia faction? I seriously doubt that, based on the plain mafia goon flip >.>

Umbrage wrote:You forgot 3) The thing that stops the mafia from cross-sparing kicks in and bites you in the ass.

Fair enough. But the fear of this happening isn't quite enough to convince me to go along with letting confirmed town die instead of scum.

Umbrage wrote:You're forgetting that IS has the ability to confirm townies, and you and vezok are not confirmed until one of you dies.

IS's investigations aren't confirmed unless he dies.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1059 (isolation #50) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:37 am

Apokalyptika wrote:
Duplicity wrote:
Internet Stranger wrote:Fishy's role was the second oddest role behind Chesskid and since CK flipped town, I might as well checkout Fishy and see what we are dealing with.
Are you attempting to say that you checked Fishy becuase CK was dead? CK wasn't dead when you made your check.
Oh hey, what is this now? That is what I would call an EXCEEDINGLY INTERESTING STATEMENT.

Morning Apok, is this all you have to say?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1061 (isolation #51) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:04 am

Morning, and yes.
I explained my reasoning for doing so.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1063 (isolation #52) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:09 am

If you think Umbrage's plan is optimal, then please get involved in the discussion he and I are having about it.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1185 (isolation #53) » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:30 pm

Umbrage wrote:Someone who's been playing as long as IS should know better than to willingly claim Cop as scum. Out of all the ways to try and get CK3 lynched, he chooses that? No. I don't buy it. I think you're scum trying anything to save yourself before my Überplan kicks into effect.

IS should know better than to willingly claim cop, but I DON'T KNOW BETTER THAN TO CLAIM MASONS WITH MY SCUMPARTNER WHEN IT'S NOT EVEN LYLO YET AND THERE WAS CONFIRMED TO BE SOMETHING THAT STOPPED SCUM FROM CROSS-SPARING?

Also, why does it matter whether you vig vezok or we lynch him?
If it means that you'll be alive tomorrow, isn't it a better idea to VIG him?
Since, you know, you're going to be CONFIRMED TOWN WITH A GUN.

Seriously. I just want you to find ONE GAME with scum who claimed masons, then I will gladly go along with your plan.
Otherwise, we should go with the not idiotic plan and not kill ANY of the PRs we have due to paranoia, and lynch scum.
Thank you.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1265 (isolation #54) » Sat May 07, 2011 6:04 pm

vezokpiraka wrote:If Umbrage promises to vig IS I'm oky with sparing tony.

unspare nacho (sorry buddy)
Spare tony

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1272 (isolation #55) » Mon May 09, 2011 3:45 pm

Regfan wrote:Nacho, I lost a great amount of respect I had for you from this game, if you want to join a game you fucking play it, same goes to you TM and Apok.

In my self-defense, I meant to lurk throughout D1. I figured confirmed-town with the ability to cross-spare late in the game would be a pretty dangerous force, and it was a hell of a lot more important to survive than look town. D2 was more of my fault, but it's not like I wasn't there at all. I provided a plan that would've gone fine (after you flipped town and there wasn't two kills that night, Umbrage would've been dead), and I did defend myself and vezok enough.

vezokpiraka wrote:
Nacho: WTF mason buddy? You lurked all day. You did nothing. NOTHING. If you were around on day 2 things could've went better.

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