Time Travel Mafia (Game Over)

[Amrun]

Have you ever expressed suspicion of me before, Grey?

[GreyICE]

Have you ever expressed suspicion of me before, Grey?

Nope, but you've posted almost as much content as me today.

So I'm lynching someone I don't have a firm town read on who isn't producing content. That probably describes me too at this point, but... it's basically day 1 but more annoying today.

[Amrun]

Well, I don't know where you come to that conclusion. I have expanded upon my previous suspicions, put forth my theories on what happened yesterday, and add in some more set-up speculation since I did do that. Some of that is more useful than others, but it IS content, and it's a hell of a lot more than you've contributed.

And note I am not voting lynch yet because I am not ready to.

Why didn't you vote to lynch today, Grey?

You very well may be scum this game. Lame.

[GreyICE]

I just did vote to lynch.

[Amrun]

No. Yesterday. You never sent a list in and I want to know why.

[GreyICE]

I'd sent a 13 name list to Tasky with my lynch vote. I thought about it, and honestly figured nothing had changed, so didn't change the list. I had it down as 'submitted' in my head

[Amrun]

What's with the smilies and almost complete lack of scumhunting? It's making me uncomfortable.

[Kcdaspot]

1. GreyICE
2. smarg
3. zinger
4. tragedy
5. RC
6. C-worl
7. GW
8. mrtrow
9. imaginality
10. EXE
11. amrun
12. Max

... yeeeep.

VOTE: lynch

[Kcdaspot]

1. GreyICE
2. smarg
3. tragedy
4. RC
5. C-worl
6. GW
7. mrtrow
8. imaginality
9. EXE
10. zinger
11. amrun
12. Max


better. zinger WAS town. gut.

grey pushed him hard then made a back pedal toward me when i claimed. and then this post scared the ever loving crap outta me.

Grey just hit the top of my list

smarg for yesterday and lurking today

and tragedy is not this bad. she isn't

[imaginality]

Exe rose in my list mainly due to his posting and scumhunting dropping off today (not hypocritical, since I fully accept if I've risen in anyone's list for the same reason).

Mr Trow is a townread for me because the way he's thinking through stuff in his posts reads more like town genuinely trying to figure stuff out than scum secretly already knowing.

Maxous, can you explain what you mean by this post:

Oh and Tragedy's claim should'nt of come as a surprise by the way.
I would imagine the mafia figured it out before night 1...

because that last line makes it sound to me like you are sure Tragedy is town.

[Amrun]

Trow does look better to me after some recent posts.

[Kcdaspot]

Okay, I've decided to stay in, but I have to say quite honestly that I really wish I knew Zinger's alignment.

kcdaspot blatantly didn't follow instructions, and claimed to be using the vig tonight. Coincidentally, a scum kill is missing from day 1.

Now there'll be two kills N2? And this proves him town how exactly?

Blatantly not following instructions and this makes me want to lynch him immediately as lying scum, but I keep getting stymied by the fact that if Zinger was scum then kcdaspot is almost certainly town.

So I'm kind of fucking stuck.

kcdaspot, why the FUCK did you not vig someone night 1 like you were supposed to?

First sentence is odd, after saying and committing to /outing because of the no-flip, to which he says more or less that he can't play properly with the no flip, he comes back, in less than 4 hours maybe? what changed?

to the second, how long EXACTLY did it take you to put that GREAT case together? has there been anything scummy that i have posted leading to me as scum as well?

3rd, okay this works, i admit that it seems off, but i explained this, regardless. check my posts following. THAT YOU HAVE YET TO COMMENT ON.

4th ... blatent? nobody asked me to NOT use my time machine in the first place, and as I stated i have more than a vig in my power pool. why in the hell would i stay still? and how does zingerscum make me autotown to begin with?

finally, Now you say you're on the fence? no. no, no, no. you began writing a case against me then you backed off.

this with your AWESOME CONTENT throughout the day, scum number one found.

[Tragedy]

@KCDASPOT: I forgot.. .What's the last game I played with you again...?

[Kcdaspot]

... none. it's meta really.

[Kcdaspot]

you're a better player than this... this trag is not good trag.

[Amrun]

I disagree. I think Tragedy is town.

[Kcdaspot]

how so?

[Kcdaspot]

also what do you think of my post about grey?

[Amrun]

I think she is noticing good things and trying to point them out. I'm fairly certain she is what she claims.

I'm not sure what to think about your post on Grey. My suspicion of Grey grows, but it's not because of that post.

[Kcdaspot]

really? i'm just seeing her palling around with c-worl.

[Kcdaspot]

.... *reads iso...*

okay.. my bad..

[Maxous]

Exe rose in my list mainly due to his posting and scumhunting dropping off today

Exe has said he has been busy numerous times.
I have suspicions on the guy too but that is a null tell in this context surely... this is basically throwing suspicion on a lurker, which I find mafia are more likely to do and I am suspicious of why you did'nt mention this before, instead of quietly slipping him higher on your list.

Maxous, can you explain what you mean by this post:

Oh and Tragedy's claim should'nt of come as a surprise by the way.
I would imagine the mafia figured it out before night 1...

because that last line makes it sound to me like you are sure Tragedy is town.

Oh, you are correct - I should'nt be assuming like that.
However I would be extremely surprised if she was mafia in this game - she comes across as very town to me - hence I wrote the post as if she is town.

Trow does look better to me after some recent posts.

How so?

also what do you think of my post about grey?

Well it was weird that he said 2 kills on N2 don't prove KCD as town..whereas if there was only 1 kill on N1 that also would'nt prove KCD as town. Also with the scum kill coincidently missing, that could of been for any reason.
I would be more suspicious of Grey if he was voting KCD today, but he's not.
Although it would be nice if he was to explain his suspicion on Mr.Trow, sometime in this game..

[Tasky]

LYNCHCOUNT 2.3:

LYNCH (4/8): Tragedy, GhostWriter, GreyICE, Kcdaspot
NO LYNCH (8): MrTrow, Maxous, imaginality, RedCoyote, smargaret, Amrun, Exe, C-Worl

With 12 alive it takes 8 "LYNCH"-votes to reach Nomination-Phase.
Deadline for D2 Discussion is 28.05.2011, 22:00 CET

[RedCoyote]

Red Coyote, I'm not clear why you have GreyICE 2nd in your list of suspects. What's your case on him?

His crap logic that Kcda & Mist are "easy lynches" and, thus, town is what soured me to him at first. This was in post 269. Post 274 is just some ugly all around, it only feeds into what I was already suspecting to be the case, that he was going full-on defensive mode in favor of Kcda and Amrun. He's completely beholden to Amrun, lapping up her arguments without scrutinizing them in the slightest. Check post 276 for more of this.

Do you really not remember me and Grey going at it yesterday, imaginality?

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Now, had you actually shown up on my list, out of the blue, with continued lack of backing to it, then you could go ahead and get riled enough to move me to spot 3, and have it make some sense. But getting scared from just the threat of intent? Oh, can't forget when you called me overly-cautious. Cautious of what? I'm seen as the most town player in the game, several lists have proven it. And I certainly didn't get that from being cautious. If I had, you'd have said so earlier when I was still town to you, before I stated the gut scum read. Maybe that's why you're getting worked up: think I might have some kind of leeway with the path of players votes? Congrats, you handled pressure like a pro.

Hmm... I've got to admit, he has a point here, imaginality.

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Emm.. sorry guys I don't have anything interesting to add at the moment.

No, that's fine. I actually agree with you. I don't see Tragedy or MrTrow as scum, really. My list doesn't really go into detail, but I see a lot of people as town in this game.

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Only reason to claim now is when I find out that some people who finds me suspicious would eventually need a claim from me anyways. Thoguh I'm not being pressured, I prefer to spit some honesty out beforehand, instead of claiming when everyone's planning to vote me out (eventually or possibly).

Yeah, but now you're useless to us, Tragedy.

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Could we see your whole list before doing this please?

This.

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@RC: a mafia-faction with janitor-abilities would want zinger cleaned up independent of his allignment, considering the impact that action has on the town
- All cases that are in any way dependent of zingers allignment are doomed to fail, as there is no consencus on his probable allignment (nearly half the town is likely to dismiss the case because of that fact alone)
- All time wasted on whether or not he was scum, is time not spent at hunting scum who are alive.
- And last but not least, the chaos of the potential no-flip suggestion. (This last one is the reason why i consider smargaret an unlikely member of a janitor-containing-mafia)
first 2 would work on nearly anyone, but had more effect due to the 'rather lynch a vt than a confirmable pr' debate + the fact that it was D1

That's fine. I can go with all of this. So, I mean, Tragedy is the only person who I think doesn't agree with this.

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Oh and Tragedy's claim should'nt of come as a surprise by the way.
I would imagine the mafia figured it out before night 1...

Yeah, but that doesn't excuse her.

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Game is stagnating. Furthermore, I've got enough from the previous day, as well as this one to go ahead and VOTE: Lynch with peace of mind. Mostly, I need a flip, not gonna lie.

Expand on this.

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I will vote for any of RedCoyote, Amrun, or MrTrow.

What the hell? After all your BS that Amrun is super town? You've got to be kidding.

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1. GreyICE
   
2. Amrun
   
3. Exe
   
4. Tragedy
   
5. Maxous
   
6. MrTrow
   
7. imaginality
   
8. smargaret
   
9. Kcdaspot
   
10. C-Worl
    
11. GhostWriter
    
12. Zinger

[Exe]

@Imaginality: That's fair, but really I just want to see a freaking flip. Had we seen Zinger's alignment, I promise today would've been a LOT different. This is why I like to know ahead of time whether no-flip will be part of the setup.

GreyICE is obvtown. This wagon on him is scum driven, I almost guarantee. That or none of you have ever played with Grey before.
GreyICE puts 100% effort into the game at nearly all times. His current attitude reads as pissed off Grey-town to me.
Grey-scum would see this no-flip as an opportunity to screw with things, not nearly replace out.

I still think most of my tells on Doombunny hold water. And C-Worl is doing that classic "lulz hey guys, treat me as a VI!" act that a lot of scum tend to do. I'd say he's my number 1. Also, ISO'ing him, there's absolutely ZERO scumhunting and 100% speculation/fluff on C-Worl's part. How did I miss this? (probably because I've been gone >.>)

Alright, I have to ask now.

RC:

Why the FUCK is C-Worl your third to last? Please make a case for C-Worl-town for me, so I can see where your head is right now, because that makes absolutely no sense to me.
Anyone else who hasn't posted a list yet, but thinks C-Worl is probtown should also explain themselves.

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