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[Kcdaspot]

VOTE: hiraki

yep.

[Kcdaspot]

We should clog the thread up to show how superior we are because of our outrageous activity.

HEY THAT'S MY SCHTICK

[Kcdaspot]

1. How long have you been playing?
2. How often are you "planning" on posting?
3. Are you mafia?

1. I dunno. longer than the 6 months noted on my joined date. i can tell ya that.
2. whenever i feel like but i try to be active anyway.
3. no

and finally matt has 3 posts to convince me he's not scum.

why? one game experience. this could be a very very stupid noob move.

[Kcdaspot]

reread.

2 more chances

[Kcdaspot]

*rereads thread*

welp.

VOTE: projectmatt

[Kcdaspot]

KCD and Robo are striking me as the most scummy, reasoning should be obvious to you all I'm sure.
Gonna wait a little longer and then pick between the two.

The reasoning is in fact not obvious to me. Enlighten us.

And I agree with silavor that this post is scummy. It's waiting to see where the wagon goes, and it's also setting up a false dichotomy and being vote-shy, which scum often do in an attempt to keep their head down. Yeah, I have a real vote now.

Unvote
Vote Tid

Fine. KCD's cross voting earlier seems like it could be a bus (obviously that would mean Hikari is his buddy). That "mistake" he kept referring to without ever clarifying stuck me as a little out of place too. My suspicion on Robocop comes from the way he completely threw that "legal obligation" comment out of nowhere and made himself seem scummy as hell. I'm sticking to my guns and not voting just yet, but Robo is probably going to be my final decision.

soooo... I was bussing.... in RVS..... ummmmm.... wat?

[Kcdaspot]

I said it was possible IF you were Mafia, which was my suspicion due to the other thing.
It's completely possible to bus in RVS because if you lead a lynch on someone who turns out to be maf, it gives people the impression that you probably aren't maf, or at least not the same maf faction as the lynched.

... rvs is just a way to get a response from people.

he responded to me vie OMGUS.

that by itself IS scummy but that was in RVS. so instead of the full 5 scum points he gets 1. AND HE'S BEEN TOWN POSTING EVER SINCE.

scumhunt better, you're going off a "what if?" at this point.

[Kcdaspot]

Also not a fan of 66 by Kdcaspot.

soooo... I was bussing.... in RVS..... ummmmm.... wat?

Experienced user, obviously, and it appears he almost tries to play dumb about bussing in RVS. Why is this such a silly concept?

because it's RVS.

It's a viable strategy if i did overreact to hiraki.

so back to you, is there any other post pointing to a bus between hiraki and me?

[Kcdaspot]

Hiraki: thats anti town. thats like painting a large "i hate this town sign" directly on your person. while its true that explaing everything is a bad idea as th town could get bogged down with info, it is VITAL that the town explains SOME things. odd things. things that seem weird. thats all i can say really. im on my phone. ill try to get a better post asap.

[Kcdaspot]

okay just think it through.

hate to see a total REAG wall.

[Kcdaspot]

....

UNVOTE:
matt's stupidity vs. robo taunting.
....yeeeeeeaaaah
VOTE: robo

also L-2.

[Kcdaspot]

....

UNVOTE:
matt's stupidity vs. robo taunting.
....yeeeeeeaaaah
VOTE: robo

also L-2.

It is a pet peeve for somebody to call me un-intelligent without explanation. But, hell, even if I am a bumbling idiot, is stupidity a scumtell to you? Tiny mistakes are rarely scum tells, if you are going to be an active member of the town you are bound to make a few illogical posts

for early game the slip was as big as it gets but robo has done scummier.

gimme your thought's on everyone.

[Kcdaspot]

Good enough.

VOTE: Robo

. I'm kind of lazy and don't want to explain, but I will anyway.

Hey man! Long time no see! You are still one of my favorite mods. And you were also very fun to play with. Great to see you [/buddying]

I'll be one of the Mature ones and answer the questions normally.

1. I've been playing since December 2009. So about a year and half.
2. Ummm... It really depends. I dunno, as often as I can I hope. If I have content of course.
3. It is my legal obligation to play to my win condition. And as such, my answer is No.

Pointing out his own tells, and this entire freaking posts just sounds forced.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who noticed this. It stuck out like a sore thumb.

really a dumbass mistake more than anything. in retrospect does not outweigh roboscum AT ALL.

generally when that happens (i assume) simply quick lynch the scum w/o telling them what's wrong if and ONLY if they make a strong town tell of some sort or claim a pr. if they do make a town tell or if the wagon moves too fast you can use this as levarge for finding more scum may it be partners or other scummy folk, the other team in this case. what matt did was put the brakes on that. and well. back at page 2, it was scummy. now? more of a VI - null tell if anything.

[Kcdaspot]

and you read all that as....?

[Kcdaspot]

also ald: what makes the robo wagon terrible?

[Kcdaspot]

WILL YOU CUT THAT OUT?

[Kcdaspot]

guys.. if hiraki's wall doesn't come by 8pm CT...

pressure wagon?

[Kcdaspot]

I live in EST and will procrastinate.

But not be late.

I dunno what CT to EST is so, idunnolol.

welp as of right now we're all waiting on you.

[Kcdaspot]

hiraki delivered.

but i needed the laff anyway. getting ninja'd by nikanor. XD

[Kcdaspot]

it;s a slip because it was so early in the game.

your post since then have been clearly nonsensical so you're probnotscum.

[Kcdaspot]

robo comes out swinging with no logic what-so-ever. just "bring it on" and now he gives up?

what IS there to explain?

[Kcdaspot]

matt: the whole thing was dependent on the timing.

had you been posting say... like robo now? ENTIRELY different story.

that second post looked of helping a partner out. (read my post.) why are you a VI? lotta posts missing the point since then. and that okay. but srsly, start read the thre-.. peh... just bold "/out" and pm the mod your reason. meantime, read the thread and find roboscum partner and the other 2 until you are replaced.

[Kcdaspot]

is that a doctor who meets MLP?

IT'S CANCER BUT IT'S NOT!

DON'T KNOW IF WANT

[Kcdaspot]

yoyo is scum for the IIoA.

I buy this.

but thats

A

post. robo crumbled. he's practically begging for a hammer.

why is yoyo the better lynch?

[Kcdaspot]

also mlp is cancerous.

you don't see it coming when you get cancer. who would have thought that the show would take off like it did?

it spreads like a cancer. usually these kind of shows have a some kind of moderate fanbase who can communicate why it's good and be understood. here? first ep? everywhere. and all we outsiders get explained to us is imagemacro after imagemacro, and YOU SHOULD WATCH. no explanation. just OMGIT'SSOAWESOMEILOVETHISLETMEBLOGABOUTTHISAND

OH MAI GAWD IS THAT A NEW EP????

*orgasm*

it's pretty useless too, show and fanbase. yeah i know positive message and all that, COME ON BRO. this show was designed for 12-year-old girls. and not a lot of them like it. (I would think. haven't seen marketing for toys anywhere and the like.) so there it's useless. and the fanbase i've already touched on.

you want me and everyone to like this show? prove it. one clip. all you get. no longer than 5 mins. youtube is preferred.

in anycase. I have a dislike of the show and a indifference to the fanbase. that's my bit.

[Kcdaspot]

out of game hiraki and i could become good friends.

[Kcdaspot]

yo emp. you voting hiraki right now.

[Kcdaspot]

i quess i'm too grown up for it.

predicted the plot, knew the gags.

thoo the slapstick is of good quality. thumbs down.

i want robo today.... better question: why SHOULDN'T we lynch robo?

i pulled the same shit once. I was scum. GUESS WHAT HAPPENED!

[Kcdaspot]

By that I mean he is spot on.

this isn't a defence for the cases out on you.

[Kcdaspot]

i'd really hate to see this thing u-turn.

Mafia with hydras had wagons that u-turned on a dime. result? we didn't lynch one scum.

[Kcdaspot]

The post quoted above.
The mafia match itself.

>have to log in to see thread

NOPE

[Kcdaspot]

hiraki he still hasn't responded to the walls.

i ain't budgin til he does.

[Kcdaspot]

this is probably the dunbest back and forth on mafia scum.

MPR: you think robo is obvtown? THEN LET HIM PROVE IT TO THE REST OF US. ffs this arguement over deatails have been going on for 2 pages now.

stop it. please. that goes to yoyo too.

if robo is indeed town he can put up a worthy defense vs. either case or both cases against him. he's at L-2. all you two are doing is just clogging up the thread providing him more time to NOT answer the challenge properly.

Robo: you've been playing for a while now. you know the value of addressing outstanding issues against you. please answer those cases. even if you do need to repeat yourself. maybe there was something not explained? maybe it was worded badly. take a nap, have a dr. pepper, BREATHE and be clear as possible. if you are able to convince people that you are not scum it should not matter how many times you repeat yourself. we just can't move forward w/o you answering those cases.

this is your chance to prove to us that we are wrong. don't blow it.

PEDIT: SHUDDUP YOU TWO.

[Kcdaspot]

Look towards the end of the post.
In that game, I didn't like that one of the players said I was town 3 different times and emphasized his read on me every time he posted it.
Link to that whole game.

STILL have to have a account there.

STOP IT. you're proving nothing with this.

[Kcdaspot]

For example...

guys.. if hiraki's wall doesn't come by 8pm CT...

pressure wagon?

Why do you need our approval to start a pressure wagon? Scared that people will deem you anti-town?

The tunneling and the rush to get Robo lynched is also throwing up red flags for me as well. That goes for Matt as well.

IGMEOY: Kcdaspot and Projectmatt

also reason i asked? i didn't want to be alone in it. if no one voted with me i'd look stupid. also was a gauge to see how everyone felt of hiraki at the time. i mean we were all just twiddleing thumbs one of the only things to talk of is should we put pressure on hiraki if he's late. i WOULD imagine 1 or 2 people would be with me but i had to be sure that either A) a clumsy hammer wouldn't happen or B) there WAS GOING to be enough pressure on the wagon. also would "encourage" hiraki to complete his task though in hindsight it could have affected the quality of the wall. but eh, none-the-less he delivered and none of that happened so... yeah.

[Kcdaspot]

For example...

guys.. if hiraki's wall doesn't come by 8pm CT...

pressure wagon?

Why do you need our approval to start a pressure wagon? Scared that people will deem you anti-town?

The tunneling and the rush to get Robo lynched is also throwing up red flags for me as well. That goes for Matt as well.

IGMEOY: Kcdaspot and Projectmatt

also reason i asked? i didn't want to be alone in it. if no one voted with me i'd look stupid. also was a gauge to see how everyone felt of hiraki at the time. i mean we were all just twiddleing thumbs one of the only things to talk of is

should we put pressure on hiraki if he's late.

Common Mafia sense says yeah.

i WOULD imagine 1 or 2 people would be with me but i had to be sure that either A) a clumsy hammer wouldn't happen

I couldn't possibly imagine a whole mudslide of votes going onto Hiraki, so I disagree with you that we would've had

7

votes on Hiraki by then. Whoever hammered would have to be a complete moron.

or B) there WAS GOING to be enough pressure on the wagon. also would "encourage" hiraki to complete his task though in hindsight it could have affected the quality of the wall. but eh, none-the-less he delivered and none of that happened so... yeah.

But what troubles me is that you're asking for more votes on Hiraki when he already had

3

votes on him at the time, that's enough to be considered a pressure wagon to me. And if you added your vote we would've been at L-3, and that's a decent sized pressure wagon. So why call for further votes? It seems like you're wishing to have gotten as many votes on Hiraki as possible, potentially creating a situation where an accidental hammer could occur.

i think you misunderstood/i worded this wrong. i was looking for the one or two people, 3 would un-nerve me. and no one was going to out if they were going to be fourth would they? I think me asking first as stated would be of use.

but WTH? this whole thing is a what if scenario. i can only say if it went to quickly i'd unvote, but beyond that it's useless to discuss.

/stillwaitingonrobo

[Kcdaspot]

I know this doesn't usually happen!!!

[Kcdaspot]

ROBO.

I GIVE YOU UNTIL FRIDAY 11:59 EST.

PROVE ME WRONG AGAIN.

I was gonna say Thursday.

this

why 48 hrs hiraki?

[Kcdaspot]

hmmm looking at the wagon i don't like empking, silavor, or toro.

i can't say why cuz it's late and i work in the morning.
I'll re-read to check

also.. thought MPR was townish mostly.

any case, nite.

[Kcdaspot]

okay i got back from work ready to read this game hoping to scum hunt but then i read hiraki in the last bit of D1 and it made me go "NOW WAIT ONE DAMNED MINUTE"

why in the hell did you confirm that you'd wait til friday? and then hammer on thursday saying "oh yeah i meant thursday lol"

I liked you, but now? no.

and 401 is bad..... just awful

VOTE: hiraki

[Kcdaspot]

What do you mean by this? Why Toro in particular?

His next post proves this.

It's shitty.

And then the whole buddying thing.

It's a yucky situation.

Way to explain it there buddy

To me, this post here doesn't feel very sincere at all with him wanting to take his vote off.

That's why I used all caps, used Fuck, and said Second Wind.

HMMM.

and then you unvoted. HMMMMMMMMM

Let's just say EMP's not the only one who has experienced this.

And you didn't post a game...because?

Wrong...again? Prior to this you called for the hammer on Robo.

This was my only real mistake.

I highly doubt Robo was going to say anything good either.

He explained the flipfloppiness with really bad reasoning, it does happen.

Your point?

And why the sudden change of heart? He had prior been hoping to rush D1 with the lynch of Robo, as seen in his ISO #19 (19!) And nooooow he wants a reasoning from him. This doesn't sit right with me at all.

Do you think I didn't want reasoning for actions of someone that I wanted to lynch?

Are you nuts.

My vote is much better here.

Unvote, Vote: Toro

Go ahead. Pull the OMGUS card. Do it.

I added my stuff in bold....... do i have to dissect the rest?

[Kcdaspot]

i didn't add the "unvote, vote thing" JSYK

[Kcdaspot]

The deadline for Day 1 is Sunday, June 19, 2011 at 1:34:26 AM.

Living in the past there mod?

[Kcdaspot]

I never called matt town.

null-scummish for me.

also this is my longest post, and it's completely game related.

[Kcdaspot]

srsly, iso me and search for the word town.

I never mention matt as town. just stupid. did you think i was implying?

[Kcdaspot]

People need to post moar.

I never called matt town.

null-scummish for me.

also this is my longest post, and it's completely game related.

This is the post I got most of the matt stuff from (emphasis mine):

really a dumbass mistake more than anything. in retrospect does not outweigh roboscum AT ALL.

generally when that happens (i assume) simply quick lynch the scum w/o telling them what's wrong if and ONLY if they make a strong town tell of some sort or claim a pr. if they do make a town tell or if the wagon moves too fast you can use this as levarge for finding more scum may it be partners or other scummy folk, the other team in this case. what matt did was put the brakes on that. and well.

back at page 2, it was scummy. now? more of a VI - null tell if anything.

This is kind of another instance of "I/he didn't say town, just not scum." As the highlighted portions show, you're still advancing the idea that Matt's stupid and not scum, which is what I found suspicious. It doesn't really matter if you call the read null or town, you're still not gonna vote for the guy.

And my apologies, your longest post is about how people should shut up and lynch somebody already. You're not really helping your case here. Really, this kind of nitpicky response just seals the deal for me.

nice job downplaying.

your arguement is leaning on the basis that i think/thought matt is/was town.

i said VI

VI =/= town

nitpicky how? this IS your case. I could say you were nitpicky in that you managed to put words in my mouth in such a way.

BTW. your null-town. you got decent cases against others, and you're not tunneling

[Kcdaspot]

Mafia are NK immune people. Get it right, this is an open game.

I THINK Kcdaspot's "scumminess" can be attributed to his playstyle. Recent town meta

Hiraki, are you going to address the votes against you at all? A defense, maybe?

ald... i was scum in that game.

[Kcdaspot]

that'll be fun.

hang on

[Kcdaspot]

not too recent but eh

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16243

I was town in mafia with hydras but... that was a train wreck...

lemme find that...

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16513

enjoy.

[Kcdaspot]

Hydras still makes me sick....

WHY DIDN'T LISTEN TO MYSELF AND CALM THE FUCK DOWN AND CHASE AFTER FES???

WHY???

[Kcdaspot]

what are we waiting on?

[Kcdaspot]

UNVOTE:

[Kcdaspot]

I think Toro's town...

silavor is too

[Kcdaspot]

hiraki's case is stunning. you just cant argue it.... at... all...

yep...



VOTE: hiraki

[Kcdaspot]

for clarification:

I unvoted when I realized we were waiting on hiraki.

and then his wall happened.

and then it blew up.

[Kcdaspot]

You dare defy my rule KCDA?

hosnetly?

i chuckled.

[Kcdaspot]

hiraki are you high?

[Kcdaspot]

Empking is not happening.

He's me buddy. <3

*coughscumclaimcough*

[Kcdaspot]

this game is weird as shit yo.

[Kcdaspot]

I would but you detonated your own wall.

[Kcdaspot]

^ is why he should hang

[Kcdaspot]

i wanna lynch hiraki thoo....

[Kcdaspot]

scum hunting scum remember?

[Kcdaspot]

right... well... guess we start where we left off...

VOTE: hiraki

^^^ not a vote.

i'll give him a last chance

[Kcdaspot]

nikanor is scum..

last chance by hiraki and i'm not impressed... at all...

VOTE: hiraki

same tune second verse

[Kcdaspot]

9 pm is late.... MMMMMMMMHHHHMMMMMMMMMMM

[Kcdaspot]

I'm in EDT. I don't worry about responding, but when KCDA is down my spine about every little thing I do, I am a bit worried. It is one of the only times that I feel pressured in a game, so I must give him credit for that.

wait then what's toro to you then? chopped liver?

[Kcdaspot]

Hey guys, remember that thing earlier in the game when Hiraki said he would post a case later and he did?

Yes that was awesome... on a townie...

Notice how freaking out about his delaying now just makes you look like you're searching for any reason to vote him?

We applied roughly the same pressure if not more

Of course, kcda is well above reasons, as can be seen in his explanation-less vote following Hiraki's wall. kcda, why is Hiraki scum?

Anti-town as fuck, and his cases blew up twice. once here with little to no effort by silavor and another time he blew it up himself.

his recklessness early game was town cuz logik sez scum wouldn't be that crazy out the gate. but now? that attitude just had the town read turned in on it's self.

[Kcdaspot]

....

I get the feeling that this is scum v. scum.... but i'm not sure...

[Kcdaspot]

are we looking at opposing factions?

[Kcdaspot]

on toro v hiraki i mean.

[Kcdaspot]

Nice try, but no. And can you explain your suspicions on MPR? He seems pretty towny (if hard to find recently) to me.

He made a case on a townie, and is now lurking. I don't see how that's town.
tbf I'll probably vote matt tomorrow so that we can go down to one kill a night. I'm just trying to scare him into making a post.

what makes you so certain

[Kcdaspot]

Nikanor may be scum.

..... you know what.. this is a useless back and forth and no one is going to budge.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nikanor

Can we get a actual wagon?

[Kcdaspot]

really thoo i hate moving my vote off of hiraki... but i can deal with a nikanor lynch.

[Kcdaspot]

from the top.

A case on nikanor

All quotes are by him so let's start... I'll link at times to prevent ultra quote stripe-ing

Iso 3:

HOW THE FUCK IS THAT HYPOCRITICAL

(Sorry, just wanted an excuse to post that. )

Unvote. Vote: Robocopter87.

He's not trying to scumhunt. He is attacking silavor and calling him a hypocrite, yet his vote is parked on 'not voting'.

fluff then the fourth vote on the robo wagon. states a reason, still scummish. "LOL at Silavor! robo scum thoo..."

Iso 6:

lol

Can we lynch Toro after we're done with Robochoppah?

setting up a lynch. scummy as fuck.

Iso 8

"I want to lynch toro!" but your vote is on robo.

and then in iso 10:

Unvote. Vote: Hiraki.

omg matt y r u delaying

... this was two posts later mind you

then his next two posts are hops to me and Tid?
Keeps his vote on tid for "lurkingscum" and then fluff posts two consecutive times tacking on the "lol silavor might be scum vs. otherscumteam robo" to the second. In FIVE POSTS He goes from toro is scum to robo while calling matt out for delaying to me for NO REASON to TID for "lurking"? and now he says he suspects silavor. IN FIVE POSTS. why did we not lynch him then?

next post says the he supports the robo but now suspects and wants to hear from tid, but he's sick so "lolbai"
then he says he is unsick and wants to say something but "Don't lynch robo!!!"
AND THEN THIS He tells robo to claim! ..... to which he does and then he goes and votes YOYO FOR NO REASON.

but what happened to the thing he needed to say?

"LOLFORGOT"

so why did he vote yoyo?

YOYO IS SCUMMIER THAN ROBO!!11!! so what the hell happened to the suspicion on toro? on tid? hell on silavor? what did it go "LOLPOOFTHEYNOTSCUMMYANYMORELOLKTHX"? this is just scummy as all get out.

and thats D1... srsly.

actually i could go on. but i think my case is made.

nikanor is the lynch today.

[Kcdaspot]

that actually made a great point coming from hiraki... :/

[Kcdaspot]

a) It isn't fluff, it's a joke. There is a huge difference. I can explain it if you do not understand.

please

b) Making a joke before making a vote is not scummy.
c) Would you like to attack my reasoning for voting Robo? It's good logic, so I don't see why you'd have a problem with it.
d) Fourth vote isn't scummy, etc. etc.

and in reading the vote in context it still looks as though you were trying to slip in the middle of the pack. C'mon i'm not the only one that has a problem with the vote as it lies.

setting up a lynch. scummy as fuck.

"Lining up lynches" is a tell, but you're not using it correctly. It would be scummy if I had said, "If Robo flips {town,scum}, I'm going after Toro." What I said is not scummy.

So why call for people to lynch toro today then? I don't see a town motive for that.

I voted Hiraki to see Toro's reaction. If you had been looking at context, Toro had said that if a wagon on Hiraki had appeared out of nowhere, he would unvote Hiraki. So I voted Hiraki to see what Toro would say.
In other words, my vote on Hiraki had nothing to do with Hiraki.

Reaction testing.... really? you're kidding me, no you're making fun of me. I go on to say that you REVOTE 2 consecutive times...

This paragraph is hard to follow, so I'll try to address each of my votes in point form.
a) I never had any serious suspicion of silavor. I thought that it was possible, but I never followed through with it because it was really weak.
b) I was joking about calling matt out for delaying. Hence the deliberate spelling mistakes. Did you actually think that was serious?
c) My vote on Tid followed a reread that I did after Robo asked me to be serious. My reasoning behind my vote was sound, so I don't know why you're attacking that.

WHICH YOU COMPLETELY IGNORE. And most of your defense is just "OH C'MON IT'S A JOKE" so the tid vote came after a reread? why did you not make a case on him then?

a) Do you doubt that I was sick?
b) I asked Robo if he wanted to claim because I figured that was the best way to get a read on him. I had decided before I made that post that I was going to hammer Robo if he claimed anything but townie, and vote Yoyo if Robo did claim townie. Robo claimed townie, so.
c) Do you think that I said "I have something important to say" then pretended to forget for some reason? Because that doesn't make any sense.

a) yes okay that unfair of me i apologize but it doesn't excuse..
b) that you implied that you were going to post something significant and in a possible defense of robo. or either/or. where did that significant post go?
c) i'm tempted.

It was four days until the deadline and the only two wagons were on Yoyo and Robo. Do you expect me to try to start a wagon that late in the day? Ridiculous.

still where the robo suspicion go? your action individually may be explainable but when you take in the entire day? no. this is the lynch.

[Kcdaspot]

also that green text bold at the first is me.

[Kcdaspot]

and a ? goes after the quotations after "oh c'mon it's a joke"

[Kcdaspot]

....

his wall destroys my case against him.

that is the most town wall i've ever seen.

UNVOTE:

[Kcdaspot]

honestly when i put that wall next to every post he's done in this game I can no longer justify a scum read...

[Kcdaspot]

inb4 two claims.

[Kcdaspot]

is it Matt?

NINJA!

[Kcdaspot]

... fine i guess i have to now.


Fire maf here.

[Kcdaspot]

hiraki

n2 was nikanor.

[Kcdaspot]

yeah

he was a force. Toro or I would have been lynched in no time.

Toro gave me instructions Not to bus him.

I was trying too much to SEEM town, i know if I had started tunneling on him early i'd be next.

i'm glad this worked out to what it was.

OH. reason i didn't kill nika n3 was because of wifom battle.


Pedit: cuz you were THAT TOWN. you were too much of a force to ignore.

[Kcdaspot]

i've been stuck in a mafia v mafia scenario before. i didn't do too well...

i can only guess who the other side is....

I think PM is just way too green to be maf.

and knowing that amor and nika are just town incarnate i really think it's ald and silva.

[Kcdaspot]

in a perfect world me and toro would have taken matt to lylo.

[Kcdaspot]

Amor is town. Sorry.

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VOTE: silavor

This works thoo.

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yes.

... but ald was careful. here you are... town telling a little. but why are you trying to push it along?

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as said wifom battle with ice maf. and aside from you and nika he was the towniest, albeit reckless.

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the second worst possible scenario would have been our kills clashing again.

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malp: that's no reason.

how about a case on silva?

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no. he's your second possiblity as scum. why? why would YOU think this?

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that does nothing for me.

why is silavor possible scim along with amor?

are you saying "because Matt said so"?

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... so why is amor scum then?

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so your case is a bunch of assumptions?

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AMor is town thoo..

dude was strong d3

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Silva show where he starts shying away?

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nice post and run there bro...

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Matt what is your thinking.

do you honestly think that Amor may be scum?

ffs this may be me being Effed by reads from earlier but he was a force.

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... dang Ald replacement didn't make any sense in voting Amor. and silva needs to answer me if he wants me to think he's town... ugggghhh

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I am still Adamantly Against a Amor lynch..

He has just been too town.

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where's my vote? yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhh

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one Ice, one fire.

two kills, if we cross, LULZ and town win

if we both hit town town can't win and we wil be in 3 way "lylo" with the last town deciding who wins

if one guy hits town and the other hits maf, a true 3 way lylo happens, and town CAN win.

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no i'm confident we are lynching Ice.

nice AtE btw.

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mmkay.

also:

Silva show where Amor starts shying away?

Translation: case required.

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again nice post and run there bro.

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note that he has yet to make a good case on you yet despite me asking him TWICE

this will be the third time.

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that's it.

I call for the hammer.

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fuck i forgot the hammer's number...

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so are we.

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not 100%.

but clear enough anyway.

what the hell are you getting at matt?

thoo true, honestly no one is CLEAR. this whole day is based on PoE and opinion.

which is probably the main reason we are in this stalemate. I'm frustrated at this mind you..

gets me thinking... there is a big chance that both ice maf are on different wagons... which makes me consider one thing: both of the lynch targets of both wagons have their vote out... and well i wouldn't think that both ice maf would push the wagon all the way through? (that sounded better in my head)...

in any case i think we CAN in fact say that EITHER silavor or amor are ice maf. there just wouldn't be a stalemate like this any other way....

hmmm... amor is taking a back seat today too while silva is being the more active...

i don't think this is as clean cut as i thought any more...

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yes i'm starting to doubt my silva read...

silva... please if you are in fact town you wouldn't have much of a problem making a case on amor...

same goes the opposite way.

this day can ONLY be decided on this. I don't see it happening any other way...

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man... what a

COLD SHOULDER

HAHAHAHaaaaaaaaa....

also longest i've survived as scum... whoever wins deserves it.

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oh so it WAS Amor

Well all i can say is i'm glad. this WAS the longest i survived as scum!

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Shit...

Why did i not switch to amor when i had the chance!

PM would have followed. Ice win.... SDFSADFASDFAS