Open 309 - Fire and Ice [Game Over]

[Hiraki]

Vote: Kcdaspot

Fuck you.

[Hiraki]

1. How long have you been playing?
2. How often are you "planning" on posting?
3. Are you mafia?

1.15 hundred years
2. Every Tuesday
3. Only on Friday

[Hiraki]

Alduskkel.

Is that all you want to say?

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: Robocopter

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: That's serious btw.

[Hiraki]

You have to read.

It's not fun to give away reasoning on Page 1.

[Hiraki]

It's very subtle, so I think you're getting it.

Or you're lying.

Very mean if you are lying.

[Hiraki]

I do believe we are both on Page 1, so yes. I would agree.

[Hiraki]

We should clog the thread up to show how superior we are because of our outrageous activity.

[Hiraki]

Matt is going the wrong way.

Would you agree or disagree with this, Toro?

[Hiraki]

Wasting one chance.

[Hiraki]

Eh.

I can see that.

Especially because of the KCDA part.

[Hiraki]

Spoiler. Robo made mature answers to get town points.

99.9% sure of this.

[Hiraki]

Also, if you feel your vote is justified, why are you so concerned about it being the third? It shouldn't matter as long as you have reasoning.

QFT. However, I think in hindsight he's town from this.

[Hiraki]

Why would you want to get town points if you were town? Last time I checked, we're playing mafia, not "who-can-get-the-most-town-points". I know scum plays that a lot though.

[Hiraki]

Hmm.

Robo's explanations are written scummiliy, but his vibe is town.

Nah, just the first actually.

[Hiraki]

Robo: That's equivalent to cheating.

And makes you look worse.

Nacho isn't bussing btw.

[Hiraki]

You didn't. It's just really annoying for people to explain everything.

Also takes a lot of the game.

But it confirms you to be scum very much.

[Hiraki]

It's not, and by learning every single crippling detail makes you know more. Stuff you really don't need to know as scum.

[Hiraki]

I'M FEELING REALLY GOOD NOW.

LET'S GET THIS OVER WITH.

[Hiraki]

I missed that, my bad.

It's because his first point is meh, but after everything else is bad.

I'm against explaining everything.

It confirms him as scum because knowing everything gives you a better viewpoint on who to kill. Only scum need to know everything.

[Hiraki]

Sure, but he wants everything explained so far as I can see.

[Hiraki]

Fuck it.

I'm motivated. You want content? Give me a few days. I'll require a quicklynch after I'm done with Robo.

Fucking using semantics in a fucking post fucking pisses me off.

Fucking.

@KCDA: I see what you mean, but I haven't had anything that I've needed to say yet.

With this, I'm going to have to say everything because I'm putting all my cards on the table to get Roboscum out.

Get ready for this fucking wall.

And before anyone posts a fucking image.

Yes. I am mad.

[Hiraki]

The wall will be up Friday.

I really don't think it's necessary at this point though.

Btw. I can't put it up tomorrow because I have a recital, and I don't feel like doing it today.

So I won't.

[Hiraki]

You'll see.

I have to make it pretty to convince the scum to buss of course.

[Hiraki]

No, it's because I don't have time. Your piss poor pressure vote is piss poor.

[Hiraki]

Why am I Matt?

[Hiraki]

OH.

PROJECT MATT.

FFS.

DIDN'T MAKE THE CONNECTION.

[Hiraki]

I live in EST and will procrastinate.

But not be late.

I dunno what CT to EST is so, idunnolol.

[Hiraki]

WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE ROBOCOPTER.

BY HIRAKI.

I'll be one of the Mature ones and answer the questions normally.

This is why I initially voted.

This seems like scum saying, "lol i can get town points by not lying"

Which is true. Except I have a finely tuned scumdar.

And you're pinging. Whoops!

3. It is my legal obligation to play to my win condition. And as such, my answer is No.

This just gives it away.

RVS is a stage where everyone is supposed to be cheerful, and not serious.

Hey. Let's take an example where Robo flipped town, and he was in RVS!

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p2707806

Compare that to this. Robo is cheerful, and flips town. There is a distinct difference in the attitudes here and there.

The worst part is that thread had 12 posts at that time(11?) and this post was 15. Yuck to the power of 18.

Duh.

I've already gone over it in the thread, but I need to rephrase it here for the importance of this.

Robo is an experienced player. He has modded, and played well in different games. If this was a newbie/semi-experienced player I

might

let it slide.

Let me make this extremely clear. When you are playing town, you are playing to your mod given win-con.

Lynch scum.

NOT

look like a townie. Looking like a townie is how scum win. They don't hunt scum.

This is going too much into theory now though, so that's enough on this topic.

Wow! I was waiting for you to show some valid reasoning! Man, its a small world after all.

I'm not too sure if this is an insult or not, but I'm just going to drop it into that category. Insults are a form of instigation which is now becoming a new definite tell for me.

In the rest of that post, Robo basically questions silavor on everything. He also makes everything in his post confusing. Even silavor agrees with me.

Robo, how am I a hypocrite. Your accusation against me makes no sense.

Go back and try again, scum.

So how does Robo respond?

You called someone else a bandwagonner who posts no reasoning. Yet you voted for me without an ounce of reasoning. Definition of Hypocrite: Someone who does what they tell others not to do.

Meaning you are a hypocrite.

Hmmzorz.

This just got interesting.

Let's follow it a bit longer. Perhaps Robo has a point here.

Let's analyze this. "You called someone else---"

By this point, the only part where Silavor mentions the word bandwagon in his ISO is #3.

You mean you're gonna pick the one that gets the bigger bandwagon and lower public approval rating? Sounds like bet hedging to me.

He has a valid point here. I've been a bit focused on Robo at the moment and want to look at other people after he dies, but at this point, Tid did make a really scummy move.

"Yet you voted me with no reasoning."

Amor, I didn't think I'd actually have to point this out... It's kinda obvious.

3. It is my legal obligation to play to my win condition. And as such, my answer is No.

This is reasoning.

So, Robo's argument is flawed.

To add on, not only does Robo find something bad about Silavor but tells us that he's not scum.

Hey mister, "I want reasoning". Spit out some reasoning for that. People who are scummy are scum. There are 4 scum in this game and apparently Silavor can't be scum because he's doing scummy things?

That doesn't make much sense.

#85 I basically covered in that he's being a hypocrite himself in #79.

#97 is a fail because it's obviously out of order.

Whether or not it's out of order makes no difference.

Silavor still explained his vote.

If he explained his vote, then what's the point of continuing this argument.

Oh wait that's right.

There is none.

Why does he pursue it though? Why? Does Robo just want to prove himself right? Maybe he wants to get a point across that Silavor lied a smidge? Lynch all Liars lynch?

Wait. Is he trying to flip the tables on Silavor's accusation of him being scum, just because he put a quote out of order?

HMMZORZ.

You crap bags didn't think I could get out this much content could you? I wouldn't need to do this if you just read.

t this point in time I am asking for a explanation of his first vote. I want to see something. Actual content. Not pure quotes, a casual comment and a smiley face. I want to see solid reasoning.

For fuck's sake are you serious?

He gave you a quote. This means there is something he sees scummy in there. Are you really concerned this much over one small vote? It's one fucking vote that most people don't care about. Except you.

Because---

I can't do it anymore. It's because you're scared it'll turn into something bigger. Nah, I can.

Well, um, why would a townie be scared?

Because they'll die!

NO.

It's because this user must be scum.

Logic and conclusions easy stuff guys.

And then #99. Robo addresses me.

1. My first point is "meh". OMG I AM CONFIRMED SCUM OMG OMG OMG LETS LYNCH GOGOGOGOGOGO. Really? "meh"?!

Complete misinterpretation, if that was even an interpretation. In this case, I was actually saying that there was a chance you were town. It was meh at best because it made some sense. More than you usually did. I was giving you a second chance after reading that for a moment.

Then I read the rest of it.

Is that really all you have against me and that somehow makes me confirmed scum?

You act like a vote means I'm confirming you as scum.

Let's think about this again.

Why would Robo think that my vote would confirm him as scum?

We have to go outside of the box for this one. We're focusing on Robo of course.

If Robo was town, why would he think this?

He's crumbling under pressure.

And that's all I got.

If Robo was scum, why would he think this?

He's crumbling under pressure, and he's aware that he has two votes on him.

Again, look at his meta. He's being overly nice and sincere in his first post of a game where he flips town PR. Here? He's not really making any sense.

Let's make the connections people.

2. You are against explaining everything in a game where you are supposed to provide an argument against people in order to lynch scum. Do you even realize how totally outrageous you sound?

The key word was everything, but now I'm going to go against that for a moment just to get rid of you. That makes you special!

This is a small scumtell, while this point is overly null due to the misinterpretation of my post, but lynch "scum" sounds awkward. I don't see it being major, but I could see scumRobo changing his post to say scum rather than people out of fear of him being criticized. But that's taking it a bit too far for even my standards.

3. So by knowing info I am scum. So you are saying that I am supposed to not knw anything and randomly lynch people in high hopes they are scum? How are you supposed to catch scum without information? And even if this was true. Why does this confirm me as scum? I can understand makes me look scummy. But Confirmed? Like 100% chance, no doubt in your mind, that I am scum.

Along with point 1, this is scumRobo crumbling under pressure. Also, there's hints all around of Roboscum becoming annoyed at my word use. The word confirmed shouldn't intimidate a townie so much. A townie knows that they aren't confirmed scum, and should have that notion. I can't see Robotown coming out of this.

Also, I already have information. It comes from your posts.

And here I am back at Page 100.

This looks like a suitable wall for your pleasureable reading.



P.E.

YOU

DID

NOT

SILAVOR.

[Hiraki]

12:00 EST=/=11:16 EST

[Hiraki]

but that could be just emotion or VIness, as scum definitely have a motivation to try and scumhunt here.

But we've already passed that point.

Robo has around 3500 posts.

If you're a VI and have around 3500 posts, meeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.

The only way I could see it is if Robo mods more than plays, but then again. Small argument that's futile.

[Hiraki]

Hey Robo.

Since you've decided to not be useful, why don't you end this and vote yourself?

lol i was reaction testin' hirakiscumscumscum

[Hiraki]

You're butthurt.

I don't really care at this point because if you do flip town, I will lose all respect for you.

[Hiraki]

Your play is disgusting.

When I find flaws with you, apparently I say everything you've said is wrong.

You can go back and find that I have in fact agreed with you on some points.

Just most of your play is quite shitty, and you just won't admit it.

[Hiraki]

See? You're just going to leave this game as bad.

You're not going to try to improve it.

This assumes that you're apparently above all of us "shitty players" that incriminate you on every single step.

HURR DURR. MEYBE HE'S ACTUALZY SCUMMIE

LOLOLOL I'M ROBO. IMPOSSIBLE.

Fuck off and die.

[Hiraki]

I never said I was above anybody. And I never thought it. Thats just putting words in my mouth.

It's not really that far fetched.

You've called this game bad, but refuse to call your play bad. Not only that, you refuse to defend yourself, because apparently we'll find anything you say scummy.

Let's see what's wrong here. You're assuming that we'll find everything scummy, and you won't defend yourself, because of point 1. This concludes that you do believe this notion because we must be wrong about criticizing you because you're above us.

Nowhere did you augment your argument, just drop it.

That's a Mastin Insane Tell, and it works.

[Hiraki]

Yes.

[Hiraki]

[/quote="Robo"]Look, I fought the arguments before. They were denied.[/quote]No, actually you didn't.

This game stalled because I had to get a wall up on you, that no one believed I could make.

If you're saying that all the content on that wall is re-used content, surely you would've...
A) Brought it up before
B) Someone else should've noticed

You have no defense because the material brought before you was new.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP:

Fixing last post.

Look, I fought the arguments before. They were denied.

No, actually you didn't.

This game stalled because I had to get a wall up on you, that no one believed I could make.

If you're saying that all the content on that wall is re-used content, surely you would've...
A) Brought it up before
B) Someone else should've noticed

You have no defense because the material brought before you was new.

[Hiraki]

MLP.

FINISH HIM.

[Hiraki]

you want me and everyone to like this show? prove it. one clip. all you get. no longer than 5 mins. youtube is preferred.

[Hiraki]

and then promptly got lynched and flipped town.

I've done it as scum. I'm pretty sure other people have too. Reverse psychology mi amigo.

More interested in the clip, tbqh. Not that this game isn't fun, but Robo still needs to die.

[Hiraki]

DAMN.

THIS SHOW IS ACTUALLY GOOD.

AND IT HASN'T BEEN A MINUTE YET.

[Hiraki]

Okay, tell me your reads on all the players in the game, thanks.

Tomorrow. This shit is the new cocaine.

[Hiraki]

EMPKING.

YOU ARE MY SAVIOR.

[Hiraki]

BECAUSE WE BASICALLY AGREE ON EVERYTHING.

[Hiraki]

SECOND WIND?

FUCK.

THIS MEANS HE CAN'T BE SCUM.

UNVOTE

[Hiraki]

EWBOP:

AND BEFORE SOMEONE GOES ON AND SAYS, "lol Hiraki he's trying to screw wit u"

SHOW ME ANOTHER GAME WHERE SOMEONE HAS GIVEN UP, AND LATER TRIED TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES, AND WAS STILL SCUM.

I DARE YOU.

[Hiraki]

Link it.

[Hiraki]

KCDA.

WHY ARE YOU PROVING TO BE RIGHT?

[Hiraki]

ROBO.

I GIVE YOU UNTIL FRIDAY 11:59 EST.

PROVE ME WRONG AGAIN.

[Hiraki]

Because.

Does it really matter?

[Hiraki]

And I've explained the flipflopping.

If I didn't then I'd agree with you.

But I did.

I want Robo to prove to me(us) that he's town.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, can you explain why you're thinking he might be scum again?

Because he has produced nothing worthwhile.

While the initial thought of defending while admitting under substantial hatred, also known as not giving up, sounds very townie, doing nothing makes it worthless.

[Hiraki]

Welp.

He hasn't posted anywhere else though.

Oh well.

Vote: Robo

[Hiraki]

I thought I said Thursday. My mistake.

The problem is that Robo hasn't said anything Wednesday, or given any indication when he's going to defend himself.

Just that he is going to defend himself.

[Hiraki]

This game.

[Hiraki]

So Yoyo didn't like Nikanor, or MehPlusRawr.

To be quite frank, I'm getting one of those really bad gut moments that will kill me in endgame over Toro.

Vote: MehPlusRawr

I'll hop that there for now.

[Hiraki]

Neither liked each other.

It really did look like a town-scum argument.

I feel good about this.

[Hiraki]

What do you mean by this? Why Toro in particular?

His next post proves this.

It's shitty.

And then the whole buddying thing.

It's a yucky situation.

To me, this post here doesn't feel very sincere at all with him wanting to take his vote off.

That's why I used all caps, used Fuck, and said Second Wind.

HMMM.

Let's just say EMP's not the only one who has experienced this.

And you didn't post a game...because?

Wrong...again? Prior to this you called for the hammer on Robo.

This was my only real mistake.

I highly doubt Robo was going to say anything good either.

He explained the flipfloppiness with really bad reasoning, it does happen.

Your point?

And why the sudden change of heart? He had prior been hoping to rush D1 with the lynch of Robo, as seen in his ISO #19 (19!) And nooooow he wants a reasoning from him. This doesn't sit right with me at all.

Do you think I didn't want reasoning for actions of someone that I wanted to lynch?

Are you nuts.

My vote is much better here.

Unvote, Vote: Toro

Go ahead. Pull the OMGUS card. Do it.

[Hiraki]

Nice OMGUS MPR.

Especially when my case held barely any validity.

Not sure which one needs to die first.

I also don't want to say more to KCDA/Toro(c wut i did thur)'s case. I'm a bit tired.

[Hiraki]

I'm about to rape this shit.

I've figured out everything.

Like seriously. It took me a couple minutes, but fuck.

Get ready for a rape-shit wall. Dunno when.

[Hiraki]

Actually, I don't have everything figured out.

I made a mistake about something which cripples my case.

I feel stupid.

[Hiraki]

I'd rather not say anything about what I was going to say, but I will give a case on someone in the next few days. I'm just not in the mood right now nor have that much time to spend.

[Hiraki]

Power went out last night so I couldn't get anything that I wanted.

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: Nikanor

I'm going to need to explain this, no?

Erhagkele.

[Hiraki]

When he's speaking with Hiraki, his posts are implying that his own reads count for nothing. This is how scum talks.

First of all, there are multiple scum groups, so regardless of Hiraki's alignment, he couldn't have known that Robo was going to flip town.
Second of all, Hiraki's unvote had good reasoning behind it.
Thirdly, Toro's case is terrible, and he's probably scum.

First.

I don't really think that Kcda is scum.

also ald: what makes the robo wagon terrible?

KCDASPOT

Second.

I'm voting Tid because he said more than three days ago that he was going to decide between Robo and Kcda. I already saw that as nothing but a reason to sit back, wait, and not do anything, but I was okay with that if he actually planned on making a decision within a reasonable time frame. But it's been three days, and there is still no sign of him making a decision.
tl;dr: He's lurkingscum!

Third.

For the first, let's just say that I find YoYoGuy scummier than Robochoppah.
Is that allowed?
Can I do that?

Fourth.

I like these things where I don't explain.

[Hiraki]

Okay. Why are we caring about the deadline so much?

There's still 9 days.

[Hiraki]

I hate you.

Fine.

[Hiraki]

Oh hey.

ProjectMatt wrote something.

Do you guys mind if I ignore that too?

I'll explain my case though.

When he's speaking with Hiraki, his posts are implying that his own reads count for nothing. This is how scum talks.

Okay.

Fair point. I can't argue this, but this is something Nikanor sees between Toro and myself.

Thirdly, Toro's case is terrible, and he's probably scum.

You've bundled us since D1 and

this

is the amount of crap that you've been able to grab up?

Give me a break.

I don't really think that Kcda is scum.

Okay.

I'm not quoting the second quote because that would require more effort than I will require.

However, Nikanor totally contradicts this.

Oh.

My bad.

Forget this point, it's misrep.

No seriously, I feel like a douche now.

Third.

That Tid vote is shit, and Nikanor knows it.

Fuck Pressure. There's no use to pressure someone who won't talk. This isn't an NS alt, y'know.

Fourth.

There is a legitimate and obvious reason why you can not plausibly do that.

At all.

Now kill him.

Even if I did make a big mistake.

Nikanor needs to die.

[Hiraki]

Empking.

What's wrt.

[Hiraki]

I see Toro scum now.

Easy.

[Hiraki]

You dare defy my rule KCDA?

[Hiraki]

I'm so confused.

Hiraki. You're not making any sense. Your issue with Nikanor boils down to... he didn't post a real case? If your evidence is a misrep, why bother stating it in the first place?

I'm making a lot of sense.

It's not that Nikanor didn't post a real case. Did you read it?

I stated it in the first place as a mistake.

[Hiraki]

hiraki are you high?

[Hiraki]

NO.

[Hiraki]

Empking is not happening.

He's me buddy. <3

[Hiraki]

But of course.

This game wouldn't be fun if I claimed scum, KCDA.

[Hiraki]

It'd be less weird if you just voted Nikanor.

[Hiraki]

Everybody loves a little bit of TNT though.

[Hiraki]

I'd rather go out with a bang.

like TNT.

heeheehheheh

[Hiraki]

WHY MATT?

WHY YOU ALL BETRAY ME.

EMPKING NICE MAGIKARP!

[Hiraki]

Because this is Empking's regular town meta.

Show me a game where Empking has made a suitable amount of content.

[Hiraki]

not really.

[Hiraki]

FFS.

Toro dies tomorrow.

[Hiraki]

why am I supposed to defend someone else?

You'd accuse me to be his buddy for defending him.

And you know that.

Toro.

I will make sure you die tomorrow.

Regardless of what Empking flips, even though it will be town.

(loluknothatbecuzurscum)

[Hiraki]

I'm going to let him flip.

And then let the room become silent.

Then we'll see how he's town.

[Hiraki]

not really.

He was at L-3.

FFS.

Toro dies tomorrow.

Lynch happens, after Toro hammer.

hmmzorz.

wonder why I didn't bother in trying to defend him at the moment.

Or y'know.

Why he didn't.

FFS. Empking didn't even claim did he?

[Hiraki]

BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK EMPKING WAS ACTUALLY SEEN AS SCUMMY.

THIS SEEMED LIKE A PRESSURE WAGON AT BEST.

BESIDES, IT'S NOT LIKE I WAS DOING ANYTHING ELSE OR ANYTHING.

GOSH TORO.

MAYBE I SHOULD GO DEFEND THE DEAD PLAYERS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE DEAD.

[Hiraki]

Touche, I thought that Fire and Ice had a Cop for some reason.

[Hiraki]

see.

If Empking was scum, he wouldn't say anything to me.

[Hiraki]

Toro.

Let's be logical here.

If Empking was scum, why would he talk here?

[Hiraki]

Vote: Toro

[Hiraki]

Laughable.

[Hiraki]

I'll post a case when someone other than you requests it.

[Hiraki]

I don't have one ready. Nor do I feel motivated to make one.

However, I have reasons why you are scum.

And they are extremely obvious.

Pre Edit: Oh Silavor.

What's wrong with you.

Give me awhile.

[Hiraki]

You.

Fine. Give me awhile.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: Delete that. I thought it didn't post.

[Hiraki]

A case aka reasons still takes time.

I'm working on it.

[Hiraki]

First. Opportunistic. #12 highlights this. #7 complements this lightly and is also a shitty vote.

Second. Shitty reasonings on basically everything.

How did he make the jump to not feeling like doing it to I don't have any time? If he said earlier he didn't have any time to make it today I would've been perfectly fine with that and I wouldn't have tacked on my vote.

Did it really matter? I gave you a time in which I would do it.

If I was to delay something 3 days then fine, that's acceptable, but no. I said the next day.

Third. His first case on me.

To me, this post here doesn't feel very sincere at all with him wanting to take his vote off.

So your tells are now opinionated.

Nice.

Wrong...again? Prior to this you called for the hammer on Robo.

...And your point?

Here he tries to brush off the reasons for him jumping off the wagon.

Yes. I was going to stop "bussing" Robo.

OH WAIT. HE WASN'T SCUM.

LOL. I WAS GOING TO SEEM SCUMMY FOR LEADING A LYNCH ON A SCUMMY TOWNIE, AMIRITE?

LOLOLOLOLOL.

No.

These reasons are piss poor. We can all agree on this. Toro has set his sights on me since D1, and this certainly is not a townie tunnel.

Fourth. His other suspects.

Thirdly, Toro's case is terrible, and he's probably scum.

Some alternatives I feel that we could follow are Kcdaspot and Nikanor.

Nikanor's play is just coming off as scummy to me, he's in the same boat with Hiraki with trying to get a lynch on me without posting reasons why. Is it not common knowledge that if you're going to accuse somebody of something, at least let it be known why you're accusing them?

He even made a case that caused at least two people to jump onto the Robo wagon. It would have been easy for him, as scum, to ride the wagon to a lynch. He did the hard thing, so he's town

Oh look.

I wonder if there may be a reasoning here. Maybe it's because of your shitty reasoning.

Let's go onto KCDA.

but WTH? this whole thing is a what if scenario. i can only say if it went to quickly i'd unvote, but beyond that it's useless to discuss.

KCDA even supports Toro in #40.
So how can KCDA be scum in this situation?

Kcdaspot is my next suspect as he's been playing as just a follower for the majority of this game. Now I know I may've said earlier that this is both his town/scum metas but when it's getting down to the nitty gritty like it is now he should be one that we must be watching out for.

So this, this, this and many more quotes are sheepish?

Not even that he's following you. Why should someone that agrees with your views be scum, unless I'm not scum or not scum with them.

Toro. Die.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP:

A case aka reasons still takes time.

I'm working on it.

So what you're saying is you didn't have them to begin with and

now

you're trying to build one. Right.

Bullet points, now.

I'll pass.

[Hiraki]

No.

I was thinking Toro and Silavor.

[Hiraki]

nikanor is scum..

last chance by hiraki and i'm not impressed... at all...

VOTE: hiraki

same tune second verse

Your standards are too high.

You haven't reached it.

Not going to reply right now because it's late.

But Toro is still scum.

[Hiraki]

9 pm is late.... MMMMMMMMHHHHMMMMMMMMMMM

No, but 10:40 is.

Especially when I woke up at 6.

Do you honestly think I can avoid Toro forever?

[Hiraki]

Toro and Silavor is one team.

Not sure about the other. But I'm sure that's one.

I'm in EDT. I don't worry about responding, but when KCDA is down my spine about every little thing I do, I am a bit worried. It is one of the only times that I feel pressured in a game, so I must give him credit for that.

I don't believe my logic is a poor excuse, and writing a wall now would result in my waffle, so I'm not going to do it.

And I'm going to make it an excuse whether you like it or not.

Pre Edit: Nice misrep Toro. Your feelings about my actions strike again.

[Hiraki]

Toro isn't giving me any reason to worry.

I can explain the silavor relations easily.

It's called the Control+F test.

[Hiraki]

We applied roughly the same pressure if not more

How much? 760 torr?

If you bothered reading the thread, Hiraki 'til that point had NEVER posted any reason for voting me. Pay attention please.

I think the problem with you is that you're taking everything literally.

Do you think I didn't suspect you at all when I voted you before?

Do you think it was just a random vote?

I'll get to the response in a moment. I'm eating.

[Hiraki]

My #12 opportunistic?

You were pulling the "SCREW YOU I DON'T WANNA DO IT!" card remember? Did you not say town shouldn't explain themselves completely and you were considering on not even throwing up a wall? That vote was completely warranted.

Considering. Didn't mean I wasn't though. Again, this is your critical attitude looking for the words rather than what they mean.

If this is where we had to prove to a jury who to lynch then it'd be fine. However it's not. So bye.

And you can't call my #7 opportunistic when it's practically the same thing you did with calling out Robo on that 3rd question. Don't be a hypocrite.

Not really.

And you want to talk about opportunistic? How about you wanting to rush-lynch Robo D1 in Post 93?

It was a good lynch. Why do we need to talk when we could've just got it done and over with there.

You said your wall wasn't even necessary, and then you stalled it.

I really don't think it's necessary at this point though.

HMM.

LET'S THINK. WHY WOULD I NOT SEE IT NECESSARY TO MAKE A WALL ABOUT SOMEONE I WANTED DEAD ON PAGE 4?

HMM.

Opinionated? I called it like I saw it, your post where you jump off Robo's wagon certainly isn't going to win you any Oscars anytime soon. Neither is your rush to try and save Empking. If you believed he was town you would try posting your reasons why, not flailing your arms and going all headhunter on me.

Yes it was opinionated.

When you try to make something scummy and put the words, "to me" and "sincere" in it. You're not showing anything scummy that every other person could relate to.

And this comes from the guy who's for literal accusations! Ha.

My point is you were just pushing SO HARD for a Robo lynch D1 before he got his "2nd wind" then you went all "But wait guys! He can't be scum now!" That's the first time he 'proved you wrong.' Which is ironic because that didn't prove he was wrong, that just showed your flip-flopping scum. Why would you hammer someone who 'proved you wrong?' Even worse you made up all of that 'Oh I said Friday? lolz jk I mean Thursday!"

You do realize one of the major problems with Robo was that he failed to ever speak of a defense?

Do you think that because I call someone scummy, I'm going to lynch them?

Not to mention, if someone has L-1 Status and says they're going to come back out of nowhere with a defense, I really can't see scum.

Then he didn't come back with a defense, that could partially be my fault. Sorry.

Also, Robo didn't prove me wrong. He started to show signs of proving me wrong.

But then he didn't back them up.

It's like the Miami Heat. They have good players. Where's the championship?(FTR, I don't watch Basketball so don't try and make conversation about this)

Yet you A) Wanted to quicklynch him prior to you going berserk. And B) YOU hammered him.

We've played before right?

This is what I do.

No they're not, you're just completely contradicting them now and trying to have a "Aw Shucks did I do that?" look to yourself about the Robo wagon. And once again don't be a hypocrite, there have been many people that went after you and Empking and I'm the one whom you've singled out.

Yeah there are people who have gone after me.

Not since D1 though.

Nikanor has not posted a reason on why I'm scum, just that my case is terrible. He has not posted why, all he has done is try and clear your name. And whatever happened to you trying to lynch Nikanor yesterday? Why have you dropped your suspicions on him? Because he agrees with you?

Who said I did? You're definite scum and people seem to like Nikanor. I'll get rid of him some other time.

After you're dead.

[Hiraki]

You claim that only (and you said ONLY) town players can come back

Considering he didn't come back, just said he would, like I previously said, he didn't come back. But nice try.

Wait wait wait, hold the phone. You're not going after Nikanor because people seem to like him? WTF?

Yeah. I tend to trust the reads of people that I think are town when I'm iffy about a person.

And you'll get rid of him some other time...people, please tell me that doesn't sound town-like at all.

Oh well.

You've been scummy to me since D1. Am I not allowed to continue to pursue cases against those I find scummy?

You are. With good reasoning.

This is your typical play? Yikes.

Let me quote something from my new favorite player's signature.

"You stand under me if you don't understand me."

So you're denying that you're playing like the equivilent of a child and now we can't take any of your posts seriously? You said you considered not doing your wall as it wasn't necessary, my sarcasm detector doesn't work over the internet Hiraki.

Now you're misrepping me.

Yes really. You claimed Robo to be scum on the way he answered the third question, I called out Amor on the way he answered the third question. You can't say I'm being opportunistic when you pulled the same stunt.

There's a major difference between what I did and what you did.

It really shouldn't be that hard to pick it out.

This doesn't change the fact that you wanted Robo dead right on the spot D4, before you decided to post a wall. Or wait...am I not allowed to believe this because I'm being too literal? You can't be serious if you're trying to discredit everything I say by saying I'm being too literal when you're the one saying these stupid things.

Considering that I didn't, no.

Of course I wanted Robo dead. He was scummy.

I don't see why this could even be considered scummy.

I wasn't talking about me being 'sincere' about it, your backtracking on Robo was completely insincere, you're a terrible actor.

You were talking about your thoughts on how sincere my post was.

Sincerity can not be measured. Therefore it is a matter of opinion on how sincere or insincere I was.

And I never liked acting, so thank you.

So now you're denying that you wanted to quicklynch him. Nice. You were practically screaming that he was scum and he needed to die right then and there.

Where did I even hint that? And of course I was.

This point wasn't even about the quick lynch. It was about the timing of the lynch itself.

I see. This is your platform now. Moving it a little just to hit my sweet spots. Very nice.

That's crap thinking and you know it, anyone can come back with a "second wind" regardless of alignment.

At L-1?

I think not.

[Hiraki]

did you really just ask that?

[Hiraki]

silavor thinks I'm scum.

That's not plausible Nikanor.

Let's be realistic here.

[Hiraki]

so

[Hiraki]

Oh Toro.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki's looking super scummy though. One of the key pieces being Hiraki's "scum dun get second wind, and robo just got a second wind, obviously making robo town. Mkay, gonna hammer robo now" thing.

I don't think you're getting this.

Robo looked like he was going for a Second Wind. I jumped the gun, I said he did get one.

Did he post something after that was in defense? No he didn't.

Therefore, he didn't have a second wind.

He just promised one, but it never came.

I don't get what's so hard to understand about this.

[Hiraki]

I never said that town can proclaim.

I just said that it's protown to have a second wind.

"lol u said something extremely similar but not it. scum"

I'm not going to check.

[Hiraki]

Toro.

Are you reading my posts?

Maybe I'll copy you next.

Because I know you're not reading them now.

[Hiraki]

And you just don't believe it?

[Hiraki]

I see.

You realize how annoyed you just made me become correct?

How stupid you make me look?

Die.

[Hiraki]

Because instigation is never townie.

[Hiraki]

If I make you angry, you will make a bad post.

Even if you don't, the other person is trying to make you pissed off.

While this is a weak tell in some cases, it's a very strong tell in other cases.

Here's one.

[Hiraki]

Hey guys.

If you really need convincing, compare townToro and scumToro.

townToro is calm and collected. He works like a badass.

scumToro is overly active making sure every single detail is correct.

He also insults more in scumToro than in townToro. It's more of an equal thing though.

[Hiraki]

I disagree.

[Hiraki]

Yes.

[Hiraki]

What?

[Hiraki]

Oh I misread that. My apologies.

The second.

[Hiraki]

That you don't make sure etc. etc.

/lazy

[Hiraki]

No, you pay more attention to details as scum rather as town.

You're doing that here hardcore.

[Hiraki]

I don't know why you do it, but you still stay consistent as you've flipped scum multiple times and played somewhat of the same between your games in 2009, and in 2011.

[Hiraki]

Mod: When's the deadline?

[Hiraki]

Defense but no offense?

Why would he give offense?

Nikanor said nothing about KCDAscum.

[Hiraki]

Nikanor said nothing about KCDAscum.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: I said that, not Nikanor.

[Hiraki]

....

[Hiraki]

silavor. You're dead tomorrow.

I hope you realize this.

That's all.

[Hiraki]

2.

[Hiraki]

GOOD ONE.

[Hiraki]

Are you honestly this brain dead?

[Hiraki]

LOL

[Hiraki]

No it isn't.

But I agree on silavor, obv.

[Hiraki]

I am the most helpful person ever, what could you plausibly mean?

I've already given my views. I dunno what else you want me to do.

[Hiraki]

Rereading. This makes no sense. MPR's probnotscum, no clue about Hiraki anymore.

[Hiraki]

But decided not to say anything about him amirite silavor?

obv

[Hiraki]

It wasn't very funny.

Sorry to say.

[Hiraki]

Unvote
Vote: Toro

Might as well see where this goes.

Good news is, Nikanor's back to being a town read.

SCUM

CAVES

IN.

[Hiraki]

You mean vote Toroscum?

yeah.

[Hiraki]

LOL

[Hiraki]

That was a 999% luck win for town.

Scum should've had this one easy.

[Hiraki]

Well, if you want to be completely honest, town actually should have lost. Either the fire or the ice mafia should have won. I mean, a lot of the days I noticed the town were kind of digging themselves into a giant hole and I didn't even have to contribute to make it go downhill.

That's what I said.

Scum played this one perfectly.