Mini 1170: Nowhereville Mafia '11- Over!

[hiplop]

hey just got the pm, going to read thread

[hiplop]

hey, im hiplop, and i am 19 years old and an aspiring actor from a small canadian town and im here to replace supreme overlord! I've played mafia for about a year now, and just recently found out about this site. I've played a few games and finally have gotten the feel for the site. My play is somewhat in your face, and if i ever seem rude, im sorry, i just am a pretty blunt person. I have read until around page 14, so far Kool is reaking of scum, all of his posts are complete nonsense and he just seems to be playing like newbscum. Im also getting a read on Sleepy, Hes being too trollish(?). Hes kind of

bullying

his way into seeming town.

[hiplop]

I am not. Obviously hiplop has WAAAY more free time than I do.

took like half an hour

Yeah, setting up lynches is generally a strong scumtell tbh. And, i can appreciate an agressive strategy, but you're going to the depths of trolling tbh, and i cant trust a troll

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Sorry, V/LA TILL SATURDAYish

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vote sleepykrew

Fairly obvious why, charters dead etc

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The BW on Kal failed. I'M NOT THE VIG.

BW?

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Sleepy, did you get any info last night?

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I'm a tracker. I targetted SK last night and got a no result which upon asking the mod now sounds more like I was RBed.

I shouldn't have claimed.

Happy.

thats not what happened.

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Sleepykrew doesnt have a killing role. I can confirm that, he did not kill charter

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unvote

Haha forgot to unvote!

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Hmm... Is that a counterclaim to Espe?

no

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Sudden epiphany:I'd be willing to bet Hipplop is lying, Seems weird that he would vote Sleepy after getting a result on him with gunsmith. Also SK's are generally considered not to have guns so He wouldn't sense the SK(they carry knives in most games here)

who said i was the gunsmith? :S

I just had to think of it for a while, its not explicit, but if you think it confirms SK

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hip, you have opened up a packet of worms. Do you have role related confirmation that SK doesn't have a kill?

Yes. I know he doesnt have a killing role

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I answered this already. I didnt get a straight up result of "he is innocent" or he didnt do anything etc etc. I had to think about it for a while, and it means that he does not have one. He could be scum still, as a goon/roleblocker/rolecop etc, hes just not a killing role

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no

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then i suppose hes confirmed? Or if hes scum, hes not the one who took the kill

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BECAUSE I DONT HAVE AN INFORMATION ROLE. Its one you can get info from, but its not a specific info role. Do you guys seriously don't understand?

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no im not revealing anymore.

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that wasnt much of a wall coolskins

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@Hip: If your role confirmed that SK was not a killing role last night, then why did you vote for SK early today for supposedly killing charter?

I didnt think about it, read my previous posts

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You'll understand when i claim, its not an info role, i had to really think about it

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The Kool has got to be scum :\

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what is kool at now? l-2?

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VOTE: cool

Scum more than likely

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UNVOTE: coolskins

VOTE: THE KOOL

sorry about that!

[hiplop]

This wagon picked up WAAAY too fast and Sleepy, Kal, and Hiplop are all on it. Don't like this one bit.

Unvote

I'm pretty sure none of those people are town.

lol

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It's still fast regardless of suspicion on him.

Now, so far we are clearing SK on a combination of Mod WIFOM and Hip's result. Neither of which clear him independently. So SK is still a viable lynch target. Someone tell me the CO case, cbf looking back for it.

Unvote, Vote: SK

what is a CO case?

[hiplop]

Panzers trying to seperate himself from the wagon. Could be scum? Maybe

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ah that makes sense now :p

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pretty much everyone as a grouup thought kool was being scummy. We're adding pressure, and 4 votes over like 3 days, is not going "super fast"

lmao im scum because i suspect you?

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lmao. I thought Sleepy was scum. agh, pretty much you're suspecting me because you dont understand, im so tempted to claim right now :\

ive said this like 15 times, its not an info role. I HAD TO think about it. I was never straight up told he had no killing role. I didnt think much of it at first, but when i thought more, i realized it cleared him from killing ie Mafia likely killed charter to frame SK, or SK is mafia and he isnt the one in charge of kills.

Can we please, move on? seriously this has been discussed enough

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you really think panzer is scum, over me? God, hes been role fishing, distancing while still bandwagonning. Hes active lurking.

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^^ scummy post. (just for future reference if we go for CO sometime)

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@CooLskins

Kal is sheeping big time and never did explain his comment at the start of the day where he assumed that the night kill hit Nobody Special because he was useless. Out of Kalofer and Kool, I have more confidence in Kal-scum.

@Kool

I don't think it's likely that all three of hip/Esp/SK are scum. One or two out of three, sure. But not all three. Too many people invested in one claim. hiplop's wavering over what exactly his result means is scummy, especially once he went from

"SK doesn't have a killing role" to "SK could be mafia just not the one who made the kill"

. To me it sounds like him trying to cover his backside if we lynch SK and he flips mafia.

um thats the same thing...

Im tempted to claim so fucked logic like this will go away

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No, im not setting up a vig, idiot. Don't assume

Im the jailkeeper. I jailkept sleepykrew, and the kill still went through...

See how i had to think about it now?

Now we go for panzer.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Panzer

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@CooLskins

Kal is sheeping big time and never did explain his comment at the start of the day where he assumed that the night kill hit Nobody Special because he was useless. Out of Kalofer and Kool, I have more confidence in Kal-scum.

@Kool

I don't think it's likely that all three of hip/Esp/SK are scum. One or two out of three, sure. But not all three. Too many people invested in one claim. hiplop's wavering over what exactly his result means is scummy, especially once he went from "SK doesn't have a killing role" to "

SK could be mafia just not the one who made the kill

". To me it sounds like him trying to cover his backside if we lynch SK and he flips mafia.

thats what i said. Seriously, learn to fucking reaad

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lmao. I thought Sleepy was scum. agh, pretty much you're suspecting me because you dont understand,

im so tempted to claim right now

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ive said this like 15 times, its not an info role.

I HAD TO think about it. I was never straight up told he had no killing role. I didnt think much of it at first, but when i thought more, i realized it cleared him from killing ie Mafia likely killed charter to frame SK, or SK is mafia and he isnt the one in charge of kills.

Can we please, move on? seriously this has been discussed enough

This is setting up a Vig fake claim. He's starting to Flail.

Seriously, this logic is so bad. So i could clear him from not being the one to kill charter..because im the vig? WHAT THE FUCK? How does that even make sense?

Hes scum.

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You know he didn't because you did, that's how you could clear him.

iguess, thats bad logic too, tho. that just means he didnt kill one person specifically

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wat ._.?

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But he didn't assume that Sleepy was scum. He was assuming he had a killing role. And that still doesn't clear him from being scum, so even if he did have to think about it, the kill going through just clears him from making the kill not being scum, so the vote still should have stood.

Also, I'm not asking you to tell me what to think, I'm asking you to explain how you think. Communication is key. While that sentence stands, i want Hiplop to explain himself. Not just say, "can't you see it". Cause I can't.

Also, his vote is still OMGUS

No, no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.
Ive mentioned that you're scum/idiot for a while now. And you're further pointing this out. Its not OMGUS, i genuinely think you're scum.

I jailkept Sleepykrew, the kill still went through. I didnt think about that, i just assumed he could be scum, the killing f charter made sense. I thought about it, and then i realized it was bad-posting by me, and i was likely accusing a townie. Dont ever talk for me.

So the fact that Hiplop had 0 votes on him at the time of the claim and the fact that his claim just flat doesn't make sense, indicaes that he isn't lying?

Um, i had votes on me when i claimed, and you were trying to get a wagon on me, yeah i softclaimed before then? i didnt want someone who could easily be townie, to be killed. You've been twisting my words far oo much. Also, how doesnt it make sense? Its a normal role, it made sense with what ive been saying from the start. You just want t oconfuse everyone, so you're safe.

Convicted, not desperate. Also, this isn't OMGUS. If anything it's him that is OMGUS on me.

Please explain how Jailkeeping someone then accusing them of killing someone then saying you had to "think about your result" and unvote them makes sense. Cause I sincerely can't make sense of it.

No, you're doing the OMGUS thing. You're trying to come at me, because i'm a PR.


And espeonage is right, charter dies, after hes tunneling SK..little suspicious dontyathink?

8,11,12,13 all were fairly ambiguous and he was voting purely on the fact that Charter was dead.

And if he thought, he convinced his buddies to kill charter and but someone else made the kill, why unvote sleepy?

Also,Why not revote him after we told him that doesn't confirm him town because he could still be scum, if that was his reasoning?

To me it sounds like he slipped up with what he wanted his fake claim to be. I think he is a Scum Roleblocker, this also doesn't confirm Sleepy, cause sleepy doesn't have a role he can confirm that was blocked.

1. Theres a higher chance that scum attempted to frame him by killing charter. Really its the closest we have to confirmation

i dont understand the second point

How have i slipped up? if you knew how to play mafia, you would understand my breadcrumbs.

Take off your tunnel glasses.

So you are all for lynches, that you havent said ANYTHING ABOUT? Seriously, you're so likely scum right now, and you're stuff doesnt make all that much sense in that short post

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No, im not setting up a vig, idiot. Don't assume

Im the jailkeeper. I jailkept sleepykrew, and the kill still went through...

See how i had to think about it now?

Now we go for panzer.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Panzer

okay, so you claim jail keeper. A jail keeper is a town role blocking protection role (unless I'm incorrect). How does that clear sk? Assuming 3 scum, you have a 1/12 chance of picking the night kill. This sounds great you say, a night kill (two actually) happened and you jailed a guy. Apparently the guy didn't kill anybody right? While technically true he could in fact be part of the scum faction. Depending how it is setup (who is credited for the kill, godfather or just one person submits it)

SK could be one of the other two scums who didn't submit the kill.

It doesn't clear sk at all.

I have to agree with panzer on this one, hip's claim wasn't well thought out at all, but I'm inclined to believe it. I don't see scum willfully giving out fake information like that, too much could go wrong. Its way too easy to get caught in a lie with fake results.

@kal, scum reads at this point? and What do you think of hip's claim?

good job with actually reading my posts..

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wait, you see a problem with defending people? So you're fine with lynching a townie, so that you dont have to defend them? We work as a cohesive unit. I wouln't be surprised if the hydra is scum, maybe? Posts like that don't seem townie to me. Eh just a hunch


It means he has a lower chance of being scum. I highly doubt there are 3 killing roles in this game. It doesnt clear him, but it lowers the chances

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ill hammer in 12 hours time. Try to get the wagon off you, discuss stuff. Just giving you guys a warning

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I'd prefer a panzer lycnh; hes being scummy as hell, being sort of unproductive? and dude is begging for a hammer, that kind of irks me. I'll hammer soon, i think we should talk a little more before though.

If cloud is town, i think Panzer has a huge chance of being scum. What is everyone elses thoughts on panzer?? im not going to tunnel,, but i get a bad feeling from him.

Apologies for any typos! I got a new keyboard and i'm not quite used to it yet

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i know that, i am a pretty aggressive player a times, it feels like you're taking it too far i guess.Reasons? blah ok. You pretty much begging for a hammer just now, getting super-over-defensive in posts like 833. Also you always seem to want to lynch someone, really quick. iirc there was an exception sometime, but i cant remember what it was

Ill try to look for more things

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i didnt claim on a defensive front, though. I disntr wanr us to mislynch, and i was fairly sure we were going the way of lynching SK. I had iinfo on him that i felt helped his case. Wanted to try somrtyhing a little different i guess

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cloudocean

waited long enough

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shit. I was roleblocked. 2 roleblock roles :\

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VOTE: panzer for now. My reasons are farily obvious, same as yesterday

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no, i visited you

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i am? visited just means you used your role on them

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panzer just claimed scum. I'm 100% sure on this. I claimed yesterday, to protect someone, as i thought they were town. He didn't counterclaim, and his only problem with my claim was that i did it without votes on me. Hes bullshitting to the max. He knew he couldn't kill me at night, as iwas going for him. So he killed espeonage, who was defending me/generally townie/good player, and knew that town might believe him over me.

Kool is against mass claims, votes with Panzer, has been scumy all game. The scum team is panzer/kool 100% sure. Why would i claim to protect someone, as scum? especially when this could happen.

VOTE: Panzer

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Also, coolskins. I knew what i meant, i just overthought it i suppose. Panzers been twisting my words all game, all i said was it meant SK didnt have a killing role. he just kept pushing to make me rage, so he could do this. If you guys believe him then *facepalm*

also, why would a townie, wait till lylo to counterclaim someone who would be obvi-scum if they were the actual role. Hes so obviously scum

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you didnt want to give scum info? if i wasn't the jailkeeper, that would make me scum from your perspective (guarenteed). As i would be lying. If you were the real jailkeeper, you would have claimed to kill me. Thats not giving scum info, thats killing scum

I know hes not an idiot town, he wouldnt do that. Guys, smarten up. We have the scumteam

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why do you believe panzer then? he hasnt said anything believable

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or you know, the actual combination of Panzer/Kool and if theres a third scum its CoolSkins

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@mod
Can a roleblocker block the scum kill?
How does RB vs. RB work for you?

Uhhh, most likely nothing would happen. Role blocking a role blocker who role blocks a role blocker = nothing. They are mutually exclusive and the result does nothing noticeable...

@hip, out of interest would you quote the places where panzer mis-reped you? And why did it take you so long to claim your role? I don't see a town motivation for dragging your feet

for so long

over it. It really did distract the town.

I didnt want to full claim, but people kept asking questions. I didn't want to have to claim, but a wagon on me was obviously starting because i explained myself poorly, so i had to.

and sure, its kind of out of context i guess but

But he didn't assume that Sleepy was scum. He was assuming he had a killing role. And that still doesn't clear him from being scum, so even if he did have to think about it, the kill going through just clears him from making the kill not being scum, so the vote still should have stood.

Also, I'm not asking you to tell me what to think, I'm asking you to explain how you think. Communication is key. While that sentence stands, i want Hiplop to explain himself. Not just say, "can't you see it". Cause I can't.

Also, his vote is still OMGUS
So the fact that Hiplop had 0 votes on him at the time of the claim and the fact that his claim just flat doesn't make sense, indicaes that he isn't lying?

Convicted, not desperate. Also, this isn't OMGUS. If anything it's him that is OMGUS on me.

Please explain how Jailkeeping someone then accusing them of killing someone then saying you had to "think about your result" and unvote them makes sense. Cause I sincerely can't make sense of it.

8,11,12,13 all were fairly ambiguous and he was voting purely on the fact that Charter was dead.

And if he thought, he convinced his buddies to kill charter and but someone else made the kill, why unvote sleepy?

Also,Why not revote him after we told him that doesn't confirm him town because he could still be scum, if that was his reasoning?

To me it sounds like he slipped up with what he wanted his fake claim to be. I think he is a Scum Roleblocker, this also doesn't confirm Sleepy, cause sleepy doesn't have a role he can confirm that was blocked.

Just an example, i urge you guys to go to page 35/36. Hes taking things out of context etc.

and look at kool, hes obviously scum too. He doesnt even have to hide it because panzer is unfortunately doing an ok job. We've found the scum team, all we have to do is lynch them.

Read paner's posts yesterday, nothing about them sound like a counter-claim-lynch. He made that up now to get me killed. Props to him if he actually wins with that, but if so town is

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yeah pretty much

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dont you guys find it suspicious, that kool voted right after Panzer? in lylo, he immediatly voted, both of them. Unless they're masons (which the clearly aren't) they couldnt have possibly come up with a coherent idea. I cant believe you guys are belieivng such obvious scummery

Defending a likely townie, is somethng that all townies should try to do, yes.

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it didnt clear him, no. Someone said SK likely killed charter, but it didnt work that way.

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so i softclaimed to tell them off

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those votes were by the same person, 8 hours is nothing. I dont see your point

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In general, no it doesnt make it scum. Think larger though, kool was majorly targetted yesterday for bbeing super scummy. He proved it tenfold by bandwaggoning so hard, in lylo.

I dont see why you guys believe obvscum panzer. His claim makes no sense. No breadcrumbs, day after, obscure role, targetted directly for me, waited until LYLO.

seriously, think for yourselves

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dont you guys find it suspicious, that kool voted right after Panzer? in lylo, he immediatly voted, both of them. Unless they're masons (which the clearly aren't) they couldnt have possibly come up with a coherent idea. I cant believe you guys are belieivng such obvious scummery

Defending a likely townie, is somethng that all townies should try to do, yes.

Defending one of your town reads is almost never townish. The only possible exception is lylo. I have yet to see a time when defending a townie by claiming a power role (soft or full) is beneficial to the town. Link me to a game where it has and prove me wrong.

The only thing that your defending SK did was let the scum know that you had a power role (this is naturally assuming that you are town), and that sk wasn't the sk. It did nothing but give scum information. Actually at this point an sk flip would have been tones better then that lurker we lynched yesterday.

Preemptive response: Yes, I think defending other people is scummy.

Thats out of context. Panzer (i believe, aka SCUM) was pushing for the SK lynch, because charter died. Obvious setup. i had PROOF that it didnt happen that way. That and SK wording himself wrong are the only reason people were after him. I cleared that it didnt happen like that. It was nt the best move admittedly, but thats how it happened, no need to lecture me.

Now actually read back and realize how scummy panzer is. The only reason you people think im scum is because i tried to protect and obvi-town. Get over yourselves

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nice find chronos. Explain why keeping the SK alive is a good thing Coolskins. now

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and you guys just lost the game. Nice job panzer, it was a really good move there at the end, and unfortnately none of these people realized how scummy you really were.

Props to you buddy

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wait, who do you guys think could be my 'buddy'? I dont think there are ANY connections between me and other players, like there is between Kool and Panzer. They vote together, never voted eachother despite wagons going on both. The scumteam is Cool/Kool/Panzer. Unfortunately, i know this but you guys probably wont believe me.

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EBWOP i guess SK could be considered my buddy, but that was one event throughout the entire game, doesn't justify a buddy

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SK, you do realize, the only way i can be scum to these people, is if you are scum. You know your alignment, dont be an idiot and actually think for yourself

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you realize scum bus eachother, right? going for town cred etc.

Yeah, might as well hammer me i guess. I'm not going to give up/vote myself as i find that pretty lame but since none of you seem to realize the obvious trickery, Panzer, this was some good play, good perfect-scum victory on your part. Your play today was ingenious, and using coolskins to put it over was a smart move. Sorry town, i just couldnt convince you well enough, i suppose this was a great scum team, so if we were to lose to anybody, im glad it was those three. Looking forward to future games with all of you, though i hope id be on the same side next time (to panzer, and coolskins). I hope you all learn from this for future play and stuff.

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Begging for hammer in lylo, hmm i wonder what alignment panzer is?

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yeah i was wrong about that, forgot you started it

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congrats on the win scum

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really did mean everything i said back there, you guys did great.

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because their case on me was that i was protecting SK. SK knew he was town, he shouldn't have been so impulsive

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the link doesnt work anyway panzer btw

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Yeah. Knew that I needed to check on Cool as I figured if he was scum he would do the kill to avoid and actions working it out.

gg scum. SK, I know your head was in the right place with the Vig softclaim but it kind of resulted in multiple things being outed. Also, hip. The jailkeep is a doc protect FIRST and a roleblock SECOND. Even though it wouldn't have stopped anything you should've been protecting me night two not trying to roleblock a scum.

i know it was a BAD move. I was V/LA at the time, and it was like 4 hours till deadline so i just picked a scumy person

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this was a fun game,i cant congratulate this scumteam enough, you guys did amazing..unfortunately