Time Travel Mafia (Game Over)

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Confimative.

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Wait just remembered. Since we are doing votes secretly no RVS.

Unvote

Votes are not secret.
You post it in thread, obviously!

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Spoiler: Rules

1. Lynch Mechanics:

1.1 The discussion phase:

1.1.1 Each player has one vote which can either be on "Lynch" or "No Lynch". Default value at the start of each day is "No Lynch"
1.1.2 You can move your vote to either option at anytime during the game by writing

Lynch

(or

No Lynch

).
1.1.3 As soon as 2/3 of the players (rounded down) are voting for "Lynch", or as soon as deadline hits, game enters

There's nowhere in here that votes of LYNCHING or NO LYNCHING from the rules. If you're talking about Nomination, that's really a secret and yeah.
But we're at a default of "No Lynch" at the moment.

We're talking about votes, not nomination. >_>

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Can't tell what she posts, anyways.

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It isn't even nomination phase yet, but whatever~
So what now~?

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You can't vote people at the moment, unless you really want to vote for a lynch, then we nominate peoplez, Exe. <3.
You misread it again.

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Exe, but I thought we were best friends forever!
Also, I suggest that we should set up a list of who should be executed.. I mean priorly lynched during Nomination Phase.

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Basically, it's like a game of Execution Mafia...
Poor town..

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Played with Amrun, Exe and TS so far, in regular games.
Could be active, but posting in-game is a different story.
Probably would stick with LAL or Certain Policy Lynches.

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Amrun is town BTW. He actually gives a fuck.

scum vibes from EXE. too early to say anything though.

Mist is mist.

add RC to the town list.

I don't see anything too townie here to make RC absolute town in my list, that includes Amrun. I guess it was still the Confirmation Phase. . .
Exe...

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ME: Insert Obligatory Refusal To Answer Pointless Questions Here
GROUP A: Vote: Ranger for refusing to answer pointless questions
GROUP B: Vote: Group A for thinking not answering questions is scummy

There, now that's done with. Can we get on with the game now?

What?
What pointless Questions?

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Why is everyone ignoring Ranger? I don't understand.

Why was my question towards Ranger became ignored?
+Scum-tell to Ranger. . .

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Prodded. Terribly sorry forgot about this game. I'm on my phone this weekend, but I'll try and post something substantial tonight.

He did say he was going to post something tonight.
I see nothing.

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Sorry, I meant last night.

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I'm not attacking him at the moment. I'm still waiting on his response anyways...

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Right...

-__________-...
I think I keep forgetting the Post Time Stamps... Sorry then, bro.

(Idunno, but you're buds with Ranger or you're just concerned?)

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Since when did scums get Time Machines..?

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@Exe: Out of simple curiosity, how does GhostWriter look "obviously town"?

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I understand that but you said that as of right now, it was the scummiest thing to have happen and that you FoS him. I understand that its still early for more solid cases but the case you currently have on kcda is weak and you set it up in such a way where you could easily back off from it. I get that by the end of the day kcda probably won't be your top suspect (unless he keeps doing scummy thing of course) but I'm talking about right now.

Also, is kcda the only person you find scummy right now? If not, who else are you suspecting and why?

V

Doombunny's made it onto the list. I found it really strange how he asked some pointed questions to me but didn't seem to do it from a place that was saying "You are scum" or "kcdaspot is scum." He dropped it after I answered. Your place keeps slipping up and down the list. All in all, not that important.

That must be some shitty reason to put him on the list.

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(Didn't seem to do it from a place that was saying "You're scum" or "KCDASPOT is scum")

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kcda is also rising on my scum list. A lot of his posts are considerably fluffy and he appears to be trying to create more noise by spreading his posts out rather than just whole ideas (Protip: This isn't Twitter or a chatroom. Feel free to combine posts.). The post on GW is also crap and I feel that he's just trying to buddy up with Amrun so he'll get on better terms with her.

He was implying that he was scum (after/beforehand?)..
Meh, I don't get a guy who agrees with you but you call him scum.

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It doesn't make any sense.
But one of you can still be scum, or both town. Not both scum as you implied. ._.?

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Hell, RC goes missing once in a while. 0.0

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(Not going to read the whole thread on this...)
Why smarg? Why Kcdaspot > Smarg? Is there potential that Smarg > Kcdaspot or Doombunny > Smarg?

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1. Kcd, why is Amrun town?
2. Amrun, do you still think Kcd is the scummiest person? I guess I don't understand your reasoning for saying he's scummy if he's done one (really scummy from your POV) thing and every other thing he's done has been pro-town.

> This implies a question, but Amrun has answered... Maybe smarg can't read, but there's no understanding WHY Amrun is scummy regardless... Why the hell is Amrun scum?...

(Amrun got lucky in Execution Mafia.. 3:)

Blargh, the doombunny case is pretty awkward, if you ask me.
All of the sudden with "Pleasing both Crowds" is quite true but I still don't know what's exactly scum of Amrun.

[If somebody's going to ask why I posted the quote and answered the random Smarg thingy, I guess smarg will have to read better. Sorreh. :3]

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Guys stop voting people! They dont count!

Vote: Lynch

V/LA FOR TODAY

We

"do"

know that...
It was just for

fun and

checking people on whose pretty scummy in their list.

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And one more thing: This shouldn't need to be mentioned but any killing roles should kill and when docs see a dead power role they should go back in time and protect them for an insta-clear.

Note this requires a doc with a timemachine (with all time travelers being 'some kind of hider' even if they have nothing else, this is quite a powerfull role, thus a big assumption)

Where did this come from?

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Easy People to Lynch

01. MrTrow
02. Chronopie

03. Mist7676

04. RedCoyote
05. smargaret

06. Amrun

07. Tragedy

08. GhostWriter

09. RangeroftheNorth

(?)
10. Doombunny9

11. Kcdaspot

12. GreyICE
13. Exe

The bolded people above are pretty easy to lynch, if I had to think well.
Mist.. You know, the obvious lurking, the... Unlikable one...
Due to Amrun and Kcdaspot stupid fight I had no understanding of at the beginning, they've rendered pretty obviously easy lynches.
I'm not sure about Ranger, but he does lurk a bit... But the truth is that I don't understand 'em.
Myself, well, you all would know why.

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Where was scum on scum? 0.0

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@Exe:So out of your scumreads, it's Amrun < Ranger or Amrun > Ranger?

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Right now, kcda has done the single scummiest thing in the game. However, all of his OTHER posts have looked fairly town to me so far.

After him, I would pick Ranger of the North for his post where he basically said "lol i'mma do something scummy but i'm telling you first so it's okay." But that's weak, too.

Overall, I feel we don't have much content to work with, yet; the overwhelming majority of posts have been talk about set-up clarification.

this post is why amrun is town

is transparent scumhunting, as in anyone with half a brain can see he is actively hunting scum.

This post isn't even looking town at all. Not even a god-damn shit reason to make someone town. It looks more like Kcdaspot's trying to say Amrun's town when she says that he's done a single scummy thing but all of his other posts looks "TOWNISH" for him.
The hell is this even a cool reason? That doesn't even look like SCUMHUNTING, in this post.
Weak Case is weak.
Weak Reason is weak.

In a few posts later, you suddenly go say "CHRONOPIE HAS THE WORST POST ALL GAME" and then votes him.
It may be terribad, but how is it

that

terrible?
Pretty funny Chronopie only briefly mentioned Kcdaspot & GreyICE arguments are TvT, no mentions of Amrun & Kcdaspot argument. <- The scum-face.
You ask for a list of reads, but you came out with none. Omnomnom.

SCUM LIST
- KCDASPOT
- CHRONOPIE [Thanks, GreyICE!]
- ???

I'm missing a slot, but I can't really tell whose more stranger- Amrun, Exe or Ranger. But I left them sitting null for awhile.

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trag i read earlier you had me low on the scum list..

and now i'm top scum?

i don't see a progression so...

I didn't mention my

actual

scum list, within my posts.
If you saw the list of 3 names, they were possibly scum. But I don't know how they fit anymore.
I was merely asking questions too, that involved you~

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Based on how I saw the argument, all it was just on a damn joke that Amrun had originally accused Kcdaspot scum of.
But I still see the scum in Kcdaspot other than his joke, which I did not clearly get other than the "rolefishing" accusation from Amrun.

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... yeah chrono needs to hang.

i never clashed with greyice.

Let him fully read as he skims anyways.

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I did? I don't remember playing with him quite well, actually. xD

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^ I never knew scum actually had time machines until someone had mentioned the plan.

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I believe someone has mentioned an idea of "WE SHOULD PUT DEAD MAFIA SCUMS ON TOP OF THE LIST, IN CASE THE OTHER MAFIAS GOES BACK INTO THE PAST AND..." something. I don't remember what exactly remember what's after the 'And', but yeah.

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In a thirteen player game, we likely have three mafiates. This game is mod-confirmed to be TvM; no 3rd Party. Therefore: We either have two scum, both with time machines. OR three scum, with less than three time machines between them.

Since when? I should have rephrased it into "How do you know about who has time machines?"
Then again, Chronopie's post feels like it's suggesting that scum has some time machines.

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Hey kcdaspot, why is he town?

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@MrTrow: ... Would you kindly notice that Mist has been replaced?
I'm quite you missed

A LOT

, in fact;
imaginality is Mist's replacement...

@Kcdaspot: Now you're calling GreyICE, who attacked you, town, then Amrun, who attacked you, Town.
Is every single attacker to you town? Sounds a bit ridiculous there.

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Mhm.. Pretty long enough to read, no sweat.

Oh yeah, Kcdaspot's "Town Reads" is mostly just appeal to the offenders... Not-so-new news here, but pretty much one part why Kcdaspot is scummy.

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Well, fff.
That's what I get for skimming and reading wrong again. FFFFF...

I misread again. -____-

But still, it feels strange that [...]
Who thinks that Kcdaspot is town, other than GreyICE?

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It looks like I'm thinking that Kcdaspot is town, but stupid me.
I was still thinking he's scum, but it looks like I worded it incorrectly.
Was trying to ask who thought kcdaspot was town other than greyice.

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If I were to read Maxous' post about Kcdaspot, GreyICE & Amrun, if I were thinking about their interaction...
It feels like one of the three is trying to breadcrum some scumminess. I can't seem to point it out, but Kcdaspot just calling his foe town while she tries to make him look bad (indirectly) is more stranger than I think of.

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@Zinger-

If you are town you shouldn't have to worry about people twisting your words because if you flip town

, we're going to read everything you say as though you are town. Using post 540 as an example, even if people were to disregard your post on imaginality now and give him town points for it, as soon as you flip imaginality would get the scum points he deserves (Assuming that your case is good enough). Scumhunting is ALWAYS towns #1 priority regardless of how scummy you are.

The only reason you'd have to worry about any of this is if you're scum.

Then what about scum twisting your words into scummy ones?
That's how much misunderstandings would suddenly hop in and get town lynched right off the bat.

@Kcdaspot: Why zinger?

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So his "wording" is the reason why he's town?
My wording sucks that bad to not even acknowledge that.

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Then what about scum twisting your words into scummy ones?
That's how much misunderstandings would suddenly hop in and get town lynched right off the bat.

I was talking about what happened if he were to die and flip town, if that's the case, even if scum were to twist his words to make them look scummy, the town would still know that they were coming from a town PoV and would look at them like that. Even if scum are twisting around Zinger's words, he shouldn't be hiding and refusing to do any scumhunting since well, if everyone were under fear that their words would be twisted around and acted the same way, we wouldn't get anywhere.

I don't really feel as if I understood your question so if this isn't what you were asking, could you please clarify?

@Kcda- I still have an unanswered question (Post 428- What about posts 404 though 420 makes Grey town incarnate) and I'd like to see a response to Amrun post 493

~ If scum managed to twist your words, which may cause major misunderstandings, into a scummy point, then what now?
~ It's pretty hard to read somebody.

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@SMarg: Why Zinger = Obvious Scum and Maxous ain't doing better than Chronopie? Why the convincement of Amrun & Kcdaspot scumbuddies since Kcda distanced?

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@Amrun: When you earlier put Chronopie onto your scum list, and now that he's replaced by Maxous, what made him look town, other than his summarization of Smarg's case?
Why lynch Zinger? All I read from you about Zinger is "HE MUST DIE TODAY" or "KCDASPOT < ZINGER". Why Kcdaspot < Zinger, although there's not really much of a major case on kcda?

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@Exe: What's convinced you to put Maxous onto your top scum read, still?
When you mentioned ""But X did it too! Why is no one suspecting him!" = Scummy", who would make the most scummiest player out of this re(action)?

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^('.'d)

Good bye, Kcdaspot. [You spelled "Thread" wrong with "threat"... Lolol. Threats..]
Apparently, the vote with Smarg/GreyICE/Exe all matched. No coincidence here, or is it...

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"Zinger2099 and Kcdaspot are now on the block. Each one of you has now ONE AND ONLY ONE post in which they may say what they want."
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FML....

Maxous is making the RIDICULOUS assumption that Mafia have no information regarding the flavor.
LOL Tasky would TOTALLY make a gamebreaking mod-error by not giving scum fake-claims. RIGHT.

To keep an honest thought here; If you remember "Execution Mafia", Mallow hadn't set up a fake claim for scums-
TS had to throw up a random claim off the bat with Deputy and won as scum...
How is it gamebreaking if scum doesn't have fake-claims? That's how confused I am, at the moment, about that assumption.

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Apparently, he did make a mistake on that supposedly regular VT role PM.
If you would notice, there's a word that's misspelled.
Unless it's just me on my PM.

Also, in the Rules, it said that Task'y bad a flavors, so...

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My list wasn`t random (it was a little rushed though).
Both amrun`s as grey`s stance on 1v1 tradeoffs seemed off to me, to the point they exeeded my initial case on doombunny(reactions to it helped, on all 3)
I believe(d) Kcda`s and Zingers claim
On top of the flavor-claim, the reasons for the lynch-hammer, the selfvote and the posts before seem to be consistent(wrong but consistent).
If the whole 'town should lynch me for info'thing was a trick not to get lynched(for 1 more day, as there`s no way he would have lasted longer) i doubt he would have selfvoted.

The whole (mis)lynch a VT or (mis)lynch a PR argument: agreed(was thinking the same thing)

As for Kcda`s roleclaim: 1 thing got my attention:
apart from the 'what`s so elite about a 1-shot' bodyguard, all attributes match his initial claim/joke: The Doctor (a regenerative(+/- bulletproof) JOAT with an unlimited timemachine).

What the hell? An unlimited time machine?
Where did the idea of unlimited time machines come from?

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He seemed to claim his role AFTER the nomination phase.
Unless I'm wrong again.

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I seem to not be reading well again. (>x.x<)

So yeah, watching Zinger calling as Casual Bystander then not doing much isn't townie at all, even after voting for himself.

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Whoa. You mean it could've possibly been a Fake Role PM, then?
Or he was just hinting his role all along.
Hmm.

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deleted.

sorry, this thread was supposed to be locked.

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. . .
. . .

This is sudden and strange, lads.
I guess we don't know his alignment.

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Except the chances that he wasn't mafia are super low.

I bet you he didn't know our votes would be published and self-voted, knowing his team had a janitor

. He was hoping to leave a big pile of WIFOM for the game.

He never even bothered to explain his self-vote, iirc.

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So yeah, watching Zinger calling as Casual Bystander then not doing much isn't townie at all, even after voting for himself.

Recall; He claims to be a "VT" after voting for himself, then stops being townie, isn't really townie at all.
As in, he wanted to live, but decides to keep on being scummy and claims. No townie actions around here.

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I'm still never sure of things.
If Kcdaspot, who is town, has a Time Machine, then it wouldn't be balanced if Scum didn't have time machines, right?

Yes

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Town X?

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-=-Jumping around Amrun-=-

#64 -> "Lynch Zinger!"
#66 -> Kcdaspot is surpassed by Zinger in terms of scumminess
#71 -> Zinger should still die.
#74 -> Zinger's post is filled with scumminess,
#77 -> Mentions that Maxous made a good point about Zinger and mentions that Zinger should die
#81 -> Zinger flipping Town = Suspiciousness onto MrTrow
#82 -> Zinger fill of scum even though he self-votes
#84 -> Zinger's misunderstanding of Amished tell is faulty and should still die

#85 -> Points out the fact that MrTrow 'attempts' to town-buddy with Zinger, who should still die

Yes, I believe that #81/85 would be an important point, at the moment.
Since we do not know the exact alignment and role of Zinger, it would bring a bit more suspiciousness onto MrTrow, since some strange things seemed to happen out of nowhere. Also, this is when it came to Amrun and wanting to lynch Zinger... All she did shout out is that Zinger was scum and stuff.
Mhm, this is how scum are becoming a bigger ninjas and just trying to say "VOTE 'EM" or something.
Sigh.

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Something's still strange of Kcdaspot.
If the -ELITE BODYGUARD- was claimed here, why wasn't he killed?
He mentioned he killed someone, unless by chance, he used the time machine to go back in time or ahead (Is this even possible?) and killed somebody.
I don't know how time machines work the way Tasky uses it.

I can't really read Kcdaspot's posts anymore, so I'll put him back to null...

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-MRTROW-

When I had recently went into this thread with Amrun's post of "MRTROW & SMARG SCUMBUDDIES", it pretty much caught my eye...
Let's see...

- How does Smargaret-scum result in GreyICE-town?

> This part shows a minor connection towards MrTrow & Smargaret, since Amrun thought that Smarg attacking GreyICE would possibly not show a scumbuddy connection with each other.

Mist:hard(near impossible) to read + Imaginality: the biggest thing to go on is his opening-list, i might get into that list later, but the smargaret-read caught my eye:
- The 'in reading the thread- not looking so good': true (at least true enough to leave as a mislynch), going into iso to clear a (non-obvious potential) mislynch, is not something i would consider pro-scum.

> When he's interesting of Smargaret of "Reading the Thread but Portraying Badly" is 'True', which would leave to a

mislynch

towards Smarg. However, why so not-so-obvious potential mislynch? Why did you say this about Smarg instead of myself, whose reading badly here as well?

Smargarat: very little to add here
only the flip-clarification-request:
If that was role-specific, the question would probably have been asked by PM, to scum 'info upon death' is always role-specific. Leaning town.

> (S)he asked an obvious question that someone else might ask since it wasn't truly stated in the rules... It's not game-breaking, and such. But how does it make Smarg leaning town.town. Or at least, how/why was/is (s)he leaning town?

Then the next/latest post from MrTrow, he still says smarg is town.
Seriously, there's no chats with Smargaret and it simply feels awkward since MrTrow is ironically concerned with Smargaret, although they don't know the other person's alignment... Or by chance, they do.
Yes, sounds like Trow's defending Smarg here.

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At least Amrun got the right track on Smargaret.

Right now it's Amrun/DB/Ranger/Kcd for me, the last three may shift some.

1. Amrun
2. DB/Mist
3.
4. Ranger
5. KCD
6. Chrono
7. Grey

Funny how Mist suddenly gets into the list.

I find it amusing (read: scummy) that Mist pops in, posts fluff, votes to lynch, and doesn't provide a list or ask any sort of question. Also, the two questions she's asked have not been followed up on at all - there's definitely something going on as far as Mist not contributing. The reason she and DB are tied for second is because I have more to go on from DB (so I'm more confident in my read), and a DB flip would be more informative in terms of connections than a Mist flip, but Mist is slightly more likely to be scum (very slightly, IMO, but Mist has done more scummy things - I just can't be as certain that they're legitimately scum-motivated and not Mist being Mist) and I haven't figured out which way the balance should tip.

I find it real amusing that Smarg provides a list AFTER Mist comes in.
I see no 'Motives'... Ahem, 'Why' they should be lynched...
Although Smarg marks Amrun as top scum read, where the hell is the good reason?

Amrun - scum 101 is to find a townie being wagoned hard and say "Gee, I don't think X is scum, I think they're town." Then you get bonus points when X is inevitably lynched and flips town - you weren't on the wagon, in fact you were against it. You certainly fit the "wagoned hard" part of the definition, and if you flip town, then the whole scenario fits.

This only reason came AFTER she keeps saying Amrun is the top scum tell. Really. At least we get the reason.. WAY after you keep saying she's scum...

Then, smarg comes in and says Zinger's so scummy without any reason as well. Along with Chronopie.
How the hell imaginality came into the scums list?
How the hell Maxous fails to make up for Chronopie, although he's actually doing a bit better than him?

Why did you originally call back the "AMRUN/KCD" scum tell earlier?

I just noticed smarg never really mentioned myself. -Gulp-

Trying to read.

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I'm starting with scum reads first. Durhur, I don't like putting everything into one post right away.

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...And it's 11:52 and I wake up at 7.
It'll take time, Kcdaspot.

But MrTrow/Smarg are obviously suspicious.

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Before I get to the 3rd scummy person on top of my list...
GreyICE, why did you put MrTrow on top of the list earlier than simply ignored him?
There was no direction of posts towards him either.

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Can't you answer my question first...

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1. MrTrow
2. Smarg

I'm still missing a #3.
Despite my question was left unanswered.

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MrTrow...
What the hell are you saying now?
Using your question to make you scummy?
'Town X'? Someone just mentioned it, you know.

MrTrow failed it hard.

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VOTE: Lynch

MrTrow, did you not read?
"Just two of them" could have meant they shared two time machines with X number of scums. He didn't know, but that could get us a bit somewhere.
Nice but Bad Catch, Trow. Lrn2read.

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Ok so basically I have to

Vote: Lynch

Before we can get to the nomination phase?

But we have to exactly decide who will take the bait during Nomination.
Hence, why we blow each other up.

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Okay, MrTrow. So you're saying I made one question with a response scummy,

okay

...

So you're clearing smarg on basis of asking the mod about flips?

Ok situation: this is an open-flip-game with a janitor-powered mafia-faction, however nowhere in the rules does the mod state the flips are 'normally open'
This can be done for 2 reasons:
1. It was simply forgotten or ,as no rule about it has been stated, the default situation is to be assumed: Which is a lucky break for scum.
2. It was left out on purpose, probably because 'town not knowing flips are normally-open' makes the janitor more powerfull (as in situation 1 but intentional)

The janitor-containing-faction already knows it`s normally-open-flips and by asking the question:
1. They throw out their lucky break.
2. Inform town of the possibility of (semi)closed-flips that no-one was even thinking about.

So, who started with the Janitor-stuff?
How the hell smarg gets a full clear on the "Janitor No-Flips" stuff, because he asked the mod to point out on flips?
As I'm still going to say here and now; anyone would ask that if they read the rules over 20 times.
Of course, we dunno. Scum would obviously ask first for town points.
But still, what if it's a no-flip game? Then your argument drowns within the seas.

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Ok so basically I have to

Vote: Lynch

Before we can get to the nomination phase?

But we have to exactly decide who will take the bait during Nomination.
Hence, why we blow each other up.

Wuh?

Meaning rushing for a lynch won't get us anywhere until we get a person who should die.
Muffins.

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Yes, C-Worl.
Anyways, do you have any suspects-muffinz0rs? :O

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After the nomination phase, there will be a public spot of whom voted whom (Meaning we get like 'two' separate votes) as we provide a list of players, the one whom should hang goes on top..
Then yeah, all that.
Then it's Night 2...

Then there's the point of Time Travelling, hehe.

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Well, If you roleblocked Night 1, and the person traveled from

Day 2

Night 2 to Night 7, then the roleblock, which I doubt, would go that far, methinks.
Meaning, if roleblocked Night 1, but that person traveled Night 2, then there you go.

And Yes, You wont' die on N7. However, it doesn't guarantee that you'll live before N7 comes, though.
Nomnomnom.

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But I'm not a role with a time machine, I'm just merely guessing/speculating.
So I'm not 100% sure.
Meaning it's like commuting, like some people said a bit earlier.

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PIZZA!

MrTrow & Smargaret.
Please read further on my posts.
Summarizing it again is a bit depressing :\

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I'm a her.

So imaginality, you think that Me/Amrun together, but Smarg/Trow not?
Why so?

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Casual Bystander...
Which is a replacement name for "VT".
Claiming here and now proudly and stupidly.
Only reason to claim now is when I find out that some people who finds me suspicious would eventually need a claim from me anyways. Thoguh I'm not being pressured, I prefer to spit some honesty out beforehand, instead of claiming when everyone's planning to vote me out (eventually or possibly).

Shepard's Pies.

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also trag i do not get your suspicion on trow.

he's null with me. BUT why do you suspect him? because he didn't read?

What make's him so null? >_>
If I'm flailing, then what's your situation?
Then again, his connection with smarg is possible.

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Poor town -> Referring to Execution Mafia due to their ironic loss.

Really, Trow, really.

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Yes, they are, Maxous.
If it weren't for Kcda's claim, I would've been suspecting him by now.

Smarg's latest post is a bit awkward-

What??? Yeah, this didn't get rid of my suspicion. Also, the "just two of them" is blatant misrep.

WE ARE NOT CLEARING PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR REACTION TO THE NO FLIP THING.

1. We're not clearing me: Even if scum have a janitor and know that flips should be revealed, don't you think scum could be smart enough to ask that question and look town? Yeah, it's WIFOMy, but it's possible and discarding the possibility is stupid.

2. We're not clearing GreyIce. Again, possible scum have something set up with associative tells, and losing flips would hurt that plan. Plus, no-flip games aren't fun to play in general; his reaction is null.

I know we would normally not clear people based on reaction, but you, trying to get town points from that post, isn't the same as a different person posting this. I would likely call it a bit scummy, although the post is true. I can't really tell how, though.

I find imaginality a bit more awkward now.
First, he says that Exe is good/obv-town, and it dropped in his next few posts. Yet, you're not really talking to him and stuffies.

Then now, I'm still on top of his list because I'm "Mafia with Amrun".

Let's see why you suspect me. And at least some posts towards me.

- #1 : Contributes a Little
- #3 & 4 : About my statement of scum with Time Machines
- #9 : Wants to see my list
- #10 : 425/427 -> Tragedy =/= Kcdaspot
- #13 : Tragedy #1 Scum
- #21 : I made good points about Amrun, 2nd on Scum List.
- #23 : Reason why Tragedy & Amrun are scum together.

There's no exact explanation why I'm still at the top of your list. Also, not to be rude but, since when did Smarg get to #5 in your list?

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If I had a Time Machine, I would go for steak in the future.
Too bad I don't.

Mmhm... Juicy Hawt Dinosaur Steak Meat..

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@KCDASPOT: I forgot.. .What's the last game I played with you again...?

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Question for all: did you know our top 2 votes would be public?

If you read the rules about x amount of times, you would notice that it says that the top 2 votes are public...
Memes. I did notice as well.

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So wait, let me guess on what's Imaginality's few thoughts about GW.

ISO

#1 : GW made good points about KCDA-AMRUN argument 'n Smarg's question lacking & Dislikes DB Case
#2 : GW's the Towniest of the Town
#7 : Argues that "Not knowing the rules", in GW's case (who 'knew' there would be special mechanics) would be anti-town.
#14 : GW is in the 10th Position of Scumminess.
#21 : Dislikes GW's scum Gut read on him, which was mentioned to possibly make him fly up the list. Apparently, he thinks it was 'overcautious' of GW to do so, and thinks it was fence-sitting on him b4 ISO read = Backs up his 'gut' or 'contradicts' it. GW is #3 in the List.
#22 : Cautiously Specifically called GW based on his scum gut mentioned previously. Honestly doesn't think GW is scum.

Appeal to the Crowd detected.

#26 : "My Sense thinks that that post is Scummy."
#28 : GW is 2nd scummiest person.

Also, while reading his posts towards Zinger, it was sort of the same thing with Amrun.
"Zinger is my Top Two" without any arguments towards him. No extended read was provided from it.
Then he agrees with Smarg's #617 that Zinger > Kcdaspot as the kill.
This is more ridiculous now, imaginality. Why, oh Why?

Also, I found something real interesting;

I was wondering that, too.

Though since VTs are apparently 'Casual Bystanders'

it's possible for other roles to be oddly named too.

Scum detected.

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List of the Scum

1. MrTrow
2. Imaginality
3. Smargaret

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yeah okay trag is not scum..

Is this sarcasm.. -.-?

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@Imaginality: When you mentioned "VTs are apparently Casual Bystanders", you're now claiming that you're a PR, possible scum there. "Just" a Casual Bystander can still mean you're only a VT, and who the fuck would suddenly come back with a second claim that you aren't a VT, srsly. He knows he's a VT when you know the VT's role name.. And it makes it revealing that you aren't a VT at all, so it makes me think you're a scum PR, at the moment.

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'Would've called GreyICE town, but his disappearance makes him null.

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A) MrTrow > Smargaret in terms of scum. Also, Smarg vanished again.
B) Yes, my opinion on GI is of being more null than ever. He's more active at Quack Multiball, when he's town, though. :\

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So, when was the name "Casual Bystander" first mentioned?

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About "Scum getting a VT Role PM"...

• imaginality has brought up to us that if VTs were oddly named, then the other roles would be oddly named as well.
  In this case,
  Why would Scum bother having a 'VT Role PM' when they usually get a 'PR Role PM' to fake with?
  Having a Fake VT Role PM would most likely be imbalanced, because it would be easier for scum to get lynched at this point for claiming it due to being 'unbelievable'. A PR would easily make town more cautious about choosing their lynch targets and its more believable due to its 'Odd Naming'.
  
• If Imaginality was indeed scum, why the hell would he ask a really stupid question about Scum having VT Role PM? Possible Scum showing its breadcrumbs (Trying to look townie), but I'm not sure.

Still, imaginality. "VTs are apparently called Casual Bystanders" is still scummy, for not being a VT at all. If scum DID have a VT Role PM, then that would answer why 'nobody questioned about it'.

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@Smarg : There.

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... i think i unvoted...

Where?

He's delusional, sirs. No problem-os.

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@Smarg: Here.

You should stop being lazy (scum) and search something yourself..

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There's still no way I'm going a Amrun over Smarg lynch.

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I know right, RC?
Also, it'd sad that you had to choose smarg over imaginality.
Then I would have shot him.

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^Shot = Vote

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Wait, then Amrun.
If you did confirm that Zinger's knowledge of VT role null, then why the hell did you just vote him out, then?

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Btw, Amrun.

Now that you've mentioned it, what made you change your mind into voting GreyICE, although MrTrow would be #2 suspect?

MrTrow's votes were on the obviously most suspicious people. Imaginality is still scum, but... -Sigh-

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Oh yeah.

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Sort of noticed, though.
Since we have a JOAT, couldn't he just go back in time and roleblock Amrun, if she was really scum?
Why didn't smarg go investigate Amrun?
What the hell did smarg do last night?

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Well, GW was the 'Most towniest of us All', some few people said. :\

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I'm more amazed of MrTrow + Smargaret connection now.

Smarg (Rated Scum): 10th -> 6th -> 3rd
imaginality (Rated Scum): 9th -> 1rst -> 2nd
Amrun (Rated Scum): 1rst -> 5th -> 1rst

I don't get his list of scum anymore, for some reason.

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Really, KCDASPOT?
YOU WENT FOR GHOSTWRITER?....
Uhhh...
So yeah, Casual Bystanders (VT) exists.

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When you're blocked, you won't get your vig wasted...

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I still think Smarg is scum with MrTrow.

I guess it was a flipped game when someone goes in time travel and kills somebody, I think?

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If someone had originally died, then it would've been a Mod Error.
Unless someone went back in time and shot GhostWriter.

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Yep, neither of whom was dead when I targeted them, and one who likely died in response to my claiming the inno.

Mafia do that, they kill confirmed innos.

Then shouldn't you have died instead?
We killed that doctor/scum, yet, you're not bulletproof either.

Oh glorious, you even went to investigate a guy

who was going to be modkilled anyways with a flip.

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So wait, let me guess if this was possible...

Smargscum goes to the past and kills somebody within N1 on N2 -> Kcdaspot tries to kill smarg = It would mean that attempting to kill smarg when the target used their time machines is impossible.

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It's only a possibility, if smarg was actually not a cop.

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I said MrTrow was also filled of scum as well.

Then again, why would you go investigate your top town read?

So you're saying that C-Worl needs to die, but you barely mentioned of Exe or whatever goes in?

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@MrTrow: You can't 'vote' someone.. I thought that was sort of established...
Just Vote to lynch, then nominate Smarg to kill..

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Well, in a game of 12/13, there usually has to be one investigative PR if there's a JOAT...

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Wait a second, Kcdaspot.
When you mentioned 'tonight' (From D2), did it mean you were going to travel back in time to kill someone or just kill someone on N2?

Smarg had the chance to use her 'watch-ability' on ghostwriter,

someone she claimed to have an innocent-result on, thus a confirmed townie, thus a very likely kill
Considering she stated (thus probably believed) her claim would(did) directly result in GW`s death, watching gw last night would give her the name of the one performing the kill.
She used the argument 'i had to know the night involved to do that -> it was only 50% certain to work' to counter my point.
Result: she stated a 50% chance of watching scum kill a townie to be less valueble than a 'normal cop investigation'.

Where did (s)he exactly say that (s)he had an ability to watch people?

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So yeah, it makes more sense if she DID time travel... But, weird, wouldn't it be better to just track or watch the peeps instead of alignment determining, it makes less sense to just know their alignment instead of finding out who tried to kill him...

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Dear jilynne1991,
If you dare to screw up again, I will kill you, nippah~

Something feels pretty awkward, though.
If C-Worl was

indeed

a RB, wouldn't the Role Name be flavored?

@Mod: If someone gets roleblocked, do they get a PM if done so?

Checking something. If yes, then it doesn't mean that Kcdaspot got RB'd (for some reason.)

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@Mod: So I guess that PRs can get a message of being RB'd while Casual Bystanders (VT) don't?

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@Smarg: Although you're trying to look townie by posting that here, but isn't it better off when you PM him? Looks truly awkward to do so here.

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'cause you're more or likely to get [REDACTED] as a response. In public. Duh.

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Well, based on reading the town

win condition

, it says that the Town victors over scum if every living person is town-aligned...

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says something about im tryin to stop someone from takin control of time

Basically, reading this doesn't make you look town at all.
Sometimes, I feel like there's a SK reading from this "SOMEONE".

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Oh.

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Vote: Lynch

...Was this a hammer?

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Full Claims.
Now.

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I should have been more specific there...
At least we know someone's a "SUICIDE BOMBER"... Ah.
Smargaret. Full claim. ._. EVERY SINGLE PART OF THE CLAIM, REPEAT-IT-ZORS.

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Wait, MrTrow.
Now that I noticed, I mean, we.
Where's RC? Wouldn't he be more suspicious since he disappeared for a long while?

Also, about the full claim, yes, it's still important.

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Sometimes, I don't believe suicide bombers, though.
I mean, roles

did

seem to be magically flavored, though.
"Town Suicide Bomber" doesn't make it look anything flavored... I think.

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also why is imagine town?

He flipped Casual Bystander, right?

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You may have one scum down, but we have to focus on the other scums too, not just her.
If we simply focus on her, scum will easily win the game.

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If smarg is alive tonight/tomorrow...
Then I hope she actually watches or tracks jilynne.

Sigh.

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RedCoyote, we need you >_>

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My role got changed....as a matter of fact, I did visit Kcdaspot...shall I roleclaim?

Yes, you roleclaim here and now, and tell us what the hell were you doing within the past few days/nights...

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Zinger's town.

'Nuff said.

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@Mod: Request to Prod RedCoyote & MrTrow

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Oh yeah. xD

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So you're saying you Jailblocked smoeone who was scum or was going to be killed?

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Vote: Lynch

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So we have an option;
When we all Lynch, we choose jilynne & RC.
RedCoyote deserves to be currently suspected, unless he dares to make a full claim.

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There's no Cult. No alignment changes.

I just feel that RC just needs to get active; He vanished off most of D2, though his participation is important as well.

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You

must

reveal it.
If it means to be modkilled-
...Modkillable?

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0.1.2 You are guaranteed that there is one and only one Mafia-faction and no third party in this game.

Also, this.

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Jilynne, I repeat

Again.

Claim Fully, Explain everything you know, Tell us what you know, Ask the Mod about your predecessor's actions, Tell us

EVERY SINGLE THING

within your NEXT POSTS.

You're currently few moments away from being Executed, and I don't feel like waiting either.

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...Then Zinger isn't town...
...What.

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You seemed the most helpful to town.

Well, Jailkilling roleblocks and saves your life.
Though I can sometimes think you would've been good as scum if he really did block scum.

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Eh, smarg.
Use your ability on a non-claimed person or someone who you still find suspicious out of the claims.

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I suggest we all roleclaim at D5.
That way, we can most likely POE each player with their claims and confirmations.

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But then again, if we do ever get Confirmed Townies alive, helps us kill scum faster.

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Town Suicide Bomber never sounds town anymore.