Lemming Mafia - Mini 1196

[Tazaro]

/Confirm

[Tazaro]

/confirm

Will we know the mission descriptions or only the name of the mission as listed?

Not until night will descriptions be known, according to #3 of the game specific rules.

[Tazaro]

Waiting for others to confirm; I figured out which card I want. Have to wait for four others to pick theirs first...

[Tazaro]

I presumed that the mod would post soon in her thread to let us know the beginning of the picking process.

[Tazaro]

But understand that she's busy at times per her sig.

[Tazaro]

Not her sig; she mentioned somewhere though.

[Tazaro]

We could technically vote because the day starting this morning.

MOD: Will we choose and declare our missions publically in thread, or will we declare them privately in a PM to you?

[Tazaro]

VOTE: CryMeARiver

'cause crying a river does not make literal sesne.

[Tazaro]

VOTE: CryMeARiver

Because we're not bandwagoning on the person who's first to pick. Jealous much?

[Tazaro]

Per-ry and forest-ry are totally jealous

[Tazaro]

forest, I have an idea of which one's probably vanilla role. But who knows?

[Tazaro]

taz, the guy who got modkilled for linking ongoing games one times.

Blah, blah, blah. No one really cares about my criminal past.

Serious note: Is there a way to get out of RVS given that the present focus is on picking things?

[Tazaro]

You already made a random vote; is this vote somehow based on reasoning?

[Tazaro]

VOTE: Vote: Tazaro Could be scum.

This could have just been her way of taking my queue of trying to get out of the RVS stage. Not really what I had in mind, though.

[Tazaro]

So are you saying it's another random vote?

[Tazaro]

Because when you mention FAULTY logic, are you saying you thought of something somewhat logical, but then decided it was faulty?

[Tazaro]

^Now I comb through that sentence, I think that 56 question sounds stupid.

[Tazaro]

Pick, Chuji!

[Tazaro]

Should I give an opinion about which card I think is a vanilla deal?

[Tazaro]

And since it would take a while to determine who gets the undesirable role, that would mean that those who happen to be first in the order would be exempt because they could already pick; it's a logistical mixed bag .

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE

because this is now a Chuji vs. Peregrine deal.

[Tazaro]

VOTE: Chuji Kunisada

I disagree that Peregrine's behavior was improper; we were still in an R.V.S arena.

[Tazaro]

It's not scumtastic; it's a manifestation of his impatience. It is not really hard to see that. Seriously -_-

[Tazaro]

Chuji asked him whether that kind of vote that Peregrine was doing is random. Peregrine said "Yes"--it's not about hammering; it's not serious. These are random votes, which he's doing because it's his way to deal with not having anything to do in his mind.

[Tazaro]

I know this because I get bored, too.

[Tazaro]

To me, it reads as a bad thing, so I'm just going to keep my vote here.

Gut?

[Tazaro]

What does this strategy give me the feeling that it would seem to make things less fun

[Tazaro]

To me, it reads as a bad thing, so I'm just going to keep my vote here.

Gut?

Yup.

Which is inherently unexplainable. I do not digest this well.

[Tazaro]

Does animorpherv1 regularly make gut votes?

[Tazaro]

I mean, I played with animorpherv1 before, but I don't remember a thing he did.

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE

My prior disagreement is not valid because I somehow overlooked that the behavior was pledged to extend to a period that will be past the R.V.S, but I myself do not think that Peregrine is scummy for not voting for a scum suspect unless a conspicuous good case comes about.

[Tazaro]

mike picked! forest next!

[Tazaro]

It's my playing style, TOGTFO.

[Tazaro]

I don't like mike's vote because I don't see anyone else (besides animephorv who's an outlier for every purpose) sheeping Chuji's point against Peregrine. Seriously, mike, it does not look like a serious thing to me, and as for your "to say you are going to do it indefinitely

is getting your excuses in

for not making a proper vote later on," the bold sounds so unnatural that I think you had to think that line up without it coming for your natural feelings.

VOTE: mikemike778

[Tazaro]

*from your natural feelings

[Tazaro]

Just seems too easy to jump on Peregrine like that and with wording that sounds calculatedly chosen.

[Tazaro]

No hard feelings; I kind of play by heuristics that I've seen in the past.

[Tazaro]

Oh yeah, M=W weird? Did I not seem jumpy in this game:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=14677

? If this claim that it's weird for me to be jumply is still going to continue to be your excuse for voting for me, then you'll be an even better vote than Chuji.

[Tazaro]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=14677. You may not be a better vote than mike, but if M=W's behavior will suggest that he really is just voting me so he has someone to vote, then my order of suspicion goes mike>M=W>Chuji.

[Tazaro]

Go figure. When I cool down, I believe you people. I just think that since it's only day one, this makes Peregrine's schtick currently something he is clearly going to change when the ball rolls farther down the path

UNVOTE

[Tazaro]

*current schtick.
Run into this thread and pick, forest .

[Tazaro]

I feel like I had to demonstrate evidence of my jumpiness to people because you guys have not played in as much games with me. And I tend to indict people hard when I get a hair of suspicion up me, knowing that I may be wrong. And second thoughts come, and I consequently vote hop if this happens quite often in a particular game.

[Tazaro]

I have a tendency to get fiery at those who may target me, and if it's a strong fire I feel, I feel it's good to grant insurance that it's nothing personal.

[Tazaro]

I judge sAb's vote as reasonable.
Here's a question: given that choosing cards is a dominant part of the day that could be used in the place of choosing to say some content, would scum have a prediliction to be more lurky in this game?

[Tazaro]

I was thinking an attack on Peregrine might jive with a motivation to attack me, because I know that my statements could be construed as defending him for an ulterior dark reason.

[Tazaro]

Actually, taz, no you didn't seem even close to as jumpy in that game as you are here.

You're right. A game that gave me memories of being jumpy was actually Mafiaphobes.

[Tazaro]

Actually, taz, no you didn't seem even close to as jumpy in that game as you are here.

You're right. A game that gave me memories of being jumpy was actually Mafiaphobes.

I say this memory stuff because I've played in more games then my join date might indicate. I remember being jumpy, but I would have to look back to read where I was most jumpy and where I was not.

[Tazaro]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=14677. You may not be a better vote than mike, but if M=W's behavior will suggest that he really is just voting me so he has someone to vote, then my order of suspicion goes mike>M=W>Chuji.

Oh god, you linked to four ongoing games.

Thanks for making me want to policy lynch you, really.

So many of them, I don't know if StrangerCoug removed all of those links.

[Tazaro]

Two of them still remain.

[Tazaro]

Thanks for making me want to policy lynch you, really.

No defense for this? None? All right...

There's no defense from policy death if people turn out to care a great deadly deal about my criminal past.

[Tazaro]

The f***?

VOTE: animorpherv1

[Tazaro]

Thanks for making me want to policy lynch you, really.

No defense for this? None? All right...

There's no defense from policy death if people turn out to care a great deadly deal about my criminal past.

Not even an "I swear I won't do it again!", Tazaro?

Alright then.

unvote, vote Tazaro

For the above + defense of Peregrine.

My joking instead of making a pledge about not doing something stupid is the straw that tipped your vote over to me?

[Tazaro]

And your's is the vote that makes my wagon the biggest, to boot. YOU need to be lynched.

[Tazaro]

Mods: Nix that. Vacation isn't until the 31st of July.

I asked you if you wanted to make any sort of defense at all. You made none.

You'll get no defense from me about something I did in the past.

[Tazaro]

It is what it is. Luckily there's some good British sitcoms on. I'll be back tomorrow.

[Tazaro]

The only scummy reaction Taz has given is his OMGUS vote on Animorph. Why did you vote him?

Because I don't think even animorpherv1 is that bad as town. It's like he's going overtime to be scummy.

[Tazaro]

If you've played with animorpherv1, the only way I see him doing things that are so blatantly scummier than his normal play is if he's actually scum. If he thinks he's doing a good job not giving that impression, he's sorely mistaken.

[Tazaro]

forest_air's time to pick. And it's time for her to take her RVS vote off of me... <<

[Tazaro]

Haven't read the last like 3 pages yet, but what would happen if we were to lynch before everyone chose?

The rest of the missions would be assigned by the mod; I believe she said that would be randomly.

[Tazaro]

And we would still known what was assigned to whom because these assignments would be posted by the mod.

[Tazaro]

If you are trying to say that I am wrong that you have bad meta, then you don't even have an excuse at all. That's even worse.

[Tazaro]

Thanks for making me want to policy lynch you, really.

No defense for this? None? All right...

There's no defense from policy death if people turn out to care a great deadly deal about my criminal past.

Not even an "I swear I won't do it again!", Tazaro?

Alright then.

unvote, vote Tazaro

For the above + defense of Peregrine.

Everyone look at this; he wasn't going to vote for me until I made that joke about "there's no defense..." This is not a legitimate vote.

[Tazaro]

He is just pushing a stupid case.

You say it's not scummy? If one would maintain that he is doing this on purpose, which I believed him to be doing because it's too stupid not for him to notice that it is indeed stupid, then that DOES bring scumminess into the picture.

[Tazaro]

Double posting again.
I'm turning off my computer for the night; if forest_air doesn't pick by the time I sign back on to this thread after I get out of bed in the morning, then my reward for sleeping in will be to pick.

[Tazaro]

Tazaro- Why should forest take his vote off of you?

Tazaro- Why are you calling the case against you [with which ani is voting you] stupid?.

Brackets mine.
The answer to both is that both votes are not serious.

[Tazaro]

@Taz- I dont know what you just said.

Ani's case is so stupid, he must know it's stupid, which means he's intentionally voting me with a stupid case, which is scumlicious.

[Tazaro]

Pick: Pier

[Tazaro]

How can anime possibly be serious about deciding to vote for me after my writing of my "there's no defense..." line.

[Tazaro]

@Jedo, why did you vote for forest.

[Tazaro]

This was Twistedspoon's case, if you want to call it a case, which I think mike is right to consider NOT a case:

destroying a meaningless pressure vote....
for a meaningless pressure vote?

VOTE: Forest

[Tazaro]

Though, it seems like something that's not bad-sounding enough for me to give him the animorpherv treatment.

[Tazaro]

No response to my post = sadface = fuck you.

That's not very nice is it . Fuck you too

So why are you voting me then, how am I leaning scum ?

CryMeARiver, you made a packed post with no mentioning why you voted for mike; explain?

[Tazaro]

I suggest that forest_air be replaced. I could go either way with whether I like Jedo's above postings or not.

[Tazaro]

Post-edit: Yes, a prod would be appropriate, and it's the mod's call. But given forest's new, it may just be a matter of her dipping her toes into MafiaScum in a short time and then leaving afterwards, like so many others.
Pre-edit:
1) It's yet another Peregrine vote about behavior that was innocuous from the beginning, considering it's day one hijinks that can be grown tired of after this day.
2) Jedo's vote makes forest_air's vote count suddenly less than mine, which would be a sneaky way to make it more likely for me to be lynched, since I believe I got to three votes first. This tidbit could go either way, but it would be bad if Jedo was aligned with forest as a mate.
3) It's weird that he did not come out and say that he would bandwagon in that post he italicized some of this words in. I thought the emphasis was on "shoot first, ask questions later," the fact that the person with the most votes would be jumped on so early was not explicit at all.
4) Jedo's words in that post have a flow and amount that they could be indicative that he is not making it up plus he answered my question in short time, but this is also giving me a sense of could-go-either-way when I consider the above 1,2,3

[Tazaro]

addendum: "that post that [has] a flow" is #184

[Tazaro]

Just a bit upset with the forest thing; because of her I had to wait longer than I needed to, and have a dead vote on me that's just festering there along with animorpherv's.

[Tazaro]

Stop the bullshit.

[Tazaro]

It's like Peregrine is the nucleus of this, but only because of other people. Now we have a poisonous flow.

[Tazaro]

You ask three questions. Peregrine had admitted the fact that his voting was"stupid"; ani doesn't admit that fact about HIS vote on me, and I believe that he must indeed be aware that it is a deeply shoddy vote, but he's making it anyway; that's what makes him scummy. That answers questions two and three.
To answer question one, it's not a serious vote because apparently he would NOT have made that vote with just the "Peregrine defense" on my slate; he did not vote for me until something tipped his vote over to me, and it was the "there's no defense" line, and IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THE DECIDING FACTOR. This something was the thing that made the difference between him voting and not voting me, period. That something was junk, and animorpherv knows it, and that's something that other people see. He's getting votes because people get it. Get on board that train, Chuji. Get on board that train.

[Tazaro]

Here's why you're making too much of my being a defender of Peregrine: All I am essentially saying is that I would say "no" to the following question if it were posed to me: Do you really think Peregrine is going to goof around for the rest of the game? You and Jedo are voting like you do believe this is so. The fact is, Peregrine would not survive if he did this, and we don't need you two to make sure this fact does not lose it's factness.

You say: "Also, the tipping point defense..."
You are considering this as my defense of my vote. So you know that this defense is the crux of my ire against animorph, and of why it isn't an overreaction, so it's really important you don't make a conspiciuously ad hoc argument about it!

You say: "a full glass will spill over the edges if just one, single drop of water is added to that glass or even 12 ounces of water is added. You are assuming that this tipping point is closer to the 12oz than the single drop"
ANI'S ADDED NOTHING TO HIS GLASS WHEN HE SAID " ... + MY JOKE = VOTE" !!!
HE ADDED NOTHING! WHAT HE ADDED WAS 0! AND if his glass were already full, WHY DIDN'T HE VOTE YET?? Thumps down to this metaphor.

[Tazaro]

<whips froth off from mouth>

[Tazaro]

I'd love to hear the "something else" from the mouth of ani that ani has not told me yet. I kind of see Peregrine's criticizable stuff as all stemming from his goofing off; this is not the stuff about him not contributing, participating, voting, whatever. But I think this still is all include under the goofing off label I put on him in the rage post; this is still goofing off stuff that doesn't need votes right now to make sure he won't have impunity if he keeps doing this for the rest of the game.

[Tazaro]

correction: this IS the stuff about him not ...

[Tazaro]

*included
And it's like your saying that I should believe that it "appears" that ani actually saw something that was "worth" voting for me. I would only believe that if it appeared to me that he were town.

[Tazaro]

How are not more people voting for animorpherv1?

[Tazaro]

animorph's recent actions seem wierd to me. To me he seems to be walking a fine line and almost contradicting himself. To batt as mentioned in 161, he thinks ani is not contradicting. I, pf, will have to think more on this aspect

You are the wiser head.
Grasshopper.
Chirp.

[Tazaro]

<Ev'ry lynch starts with a single vote on people, like animo>

[Tazaro]

"vote:Chuji Because hydra, etc."
"If we do this, then we need a definition of crappy role. Because I know I hate Vanilla Townie more than miller."
"Scumtastic right there. unvote, vote PeregrineV"
"No, it implies that he would hammer someone because they haven't picked yet."
"To me, it reads as a bad thing, so I'm just going to keep my vote here."
"Yup."
"Oh god, you linked to four ongoing games. Thanks for making me want to policy lynch you, really."
"No defense for this? None? All right..."

"Not even an "I swear I won't do it again!", Tazaro? Alright then. unvote, vote Tazaro.

For the above + defense of Peregrine."
"I asked you if you wanted to make any sort of defense at all. You made none."
"So, let's see: 1. You linked to FOUR ongoing games. 2. You refuse to defend yourself. 3. You defend Peregrine."
"To me, it's seemed like "OMG I've gotta find a way to defend Peregrine, I'll just call ani scummy, place a vote on him and call it a day"."
"@Tazaro: I got back from a break on February and played in like 3 games total since, 1 was a replace in. Don't you even try to stick meta on me."

The bolded is pretty clear that his vote was punishing me for: saying "there's no defense..." and not saying that I wouldn't do it again.
That is asinine, and he definitely should know that.

[Tazaro]

1)

Unvote; Vote MikeMike

Not sure if I had a vote before, but I like this one.
2) Tazaro made a funny pun. Talking about Ani's "gut vote" that he couldn't "digest it".
[...]
8) Ani's posting makes no sense to me. If someone tries to Policy Lynch me or RVS wagon me, I don't defend myself in the least. And if I was in Taz's situation, I would also probably OMGUS you.

You vote for someone without explaining why, and then you say you would vote Ani if he did that same thing to you. What's stopping you from voting him for doing that to me? Does it really matter who's he doing it to, because it's just as bad whether it's you or me or whoever.
I call

FoS: CryMeARiver

. Voting for someone without a reason, and then not voting for someone while saying that you would do it and then implying it makes a difference that it's not happening to you. That's illogical.

[Tazaro]

Well, that was fast. Peregrine and Tazaro are working together to build an absolute bullshit case.

My case on you beats your case on me.

[Tazaro]

Pretend these two women represent our cases on each other. Guess which one's mine. Mine totally beats yours.

[Tazaro]

Okay, yours is not a woman.

[Tazaro]

Oh hey. I'll read up in a second, but for now:

Chose: Shooter

Interesting pick; I don't know if farside is intentionally making a limited number of these words seem like they are obvious.

[Tazaro]

I pick

Lemming Pledge

!!

Are you right now looking at this pick and regretting it? If you think about it, it seems to be a mission that just keeps you at your lemming home.

[Tazaro]

M=W is a lurker. Also, he has only seven posts in this game to be specific. You've been here since 3/30/11; M=W was in the first game I was in and another. He's a lurker, perhaps because of business, if you remember his reasoning for coming back later to make a decision in "Help my computer got infected...," or whatever, mafia.

[Tazaro]

I've been here longer than 2011, with some M=W experience, so I really just you make a more useful vote than a lurker vote that you made.

[Tazaro]

*really just urge that you...

[Tazaro]

^Above stuff was @TOGTFO.

[Tazaro]

I demand forest_air's replacement to get rid of forest_air's RVS vote.

UNVOTE

VOTE :forest_air

Seriously, I have two dead votes on me. And I'm going to look into sAb for choosing to be with those two.

[Tazaro]

Yes, I'm making a deal with the replacement. Scratch my back, then I'll take the itchy cloth off of yours.

[Tazaro]

I mean, Geesus, I do something bad in another game and talk too much around the noobie, when a good game starts, who gets motivated to RVS me as a result. I can't believe how I'm unfairly the top wagon for this shit.

[Tazaro]

And yes, the fact that sAb hasn't unvoted me is a choice, a fairly convenient one, too, if he's scum. Yes, I overreact, now vote for someone for which that's a tell!

[Tazaro]

now vote for someone for which that's a tell!

Do this today and you get a free pot of gold forged by leprechauns.

[Tazaro]

I think speculation is being kept at a minimum, and that's fine. I was simply musing that missions like Lemming Pledge and Shooter are seemingly so transparent, that it would be a noteworthy question whether farside was intentionally making them seem that way.

[Tazaro]

I saw malpascp browsing this section; did my vote scare him away? . More bees with honey than vinegar, but seriously animo's goose egg case on me is making me crazy and I really hope a replacement doesn't just do the lazy thing and keep forest's vote. Go after anim, the real scum

UNVOTE

VOTE: animorpherv1

[Tazaro]

malpascp, all I want to say is

[Tazaro]

Looks like forest_air/malpascp slot is going to be stuck with cement. M=W, togtfo's vote on you started as a joke, I'd also like to know how it would be more serious now?

[Tazaro]

@M=W- How would you think is the best way as scum to stay involved but not become really noticed. I.E> Dont lurk but dont become the center of attention.

It's like you are trying to imply an accusation without making it explicit. Why do this?

[Tazaro]

You asked the question to M=W. Why? I see it as a veiled accusation, with the implication that HE was scum.

[Tazaro]

I just saw it as weird that you asked me=weird the question, would scum use the strategy of "don't lurk," when it you were making the implication with your jokey vote that he was lurking.

[Tazaro]

I may be overreacting to this, but I don't like people trying to go on with what started as a jokey vote; it's almost like what anime did to me.

[Tazaro]

Are there certain criteria that would show whether M=W adequately responded to the pressure and fulfilled its purpose.

[Tazaro]

TOGTFO: I mean, then I'm right and Chuji's wrong, about me saying that M=W's been a lurker, in your view? And that's what you're voting him for, like a policy thing?

[Tazaro]

This was me examining you. Saying you want to see towniness from him meets the exam. Now I think I'd like to be on forest_air's replacement's case. Where are you, malpascp?

[Tazaro]

Everyone: The dispersed vote count indicates we're not scumhunting to try to test our votes. Is this a symptom of the secondary focus of picking missions?

[Tazaro]

I really hate it when votes are so dispersed. It's like, I'll stick my vote on this person, not talk about them a lot again, kthbye

[Tazaro]

Oh hey. I'll read up in a second, but for now:

Chose: Shooter

When were you going to say something as a result of reading up?

[Tazaro]

Well, that was fast. Peregrine and Tazaro are working together to build an absolute bullshit case.

Or were you actually literally reading up in a moment only, and therefore only came up with this^

[Tazaro]

Tazaro why get so jumpy at having inactives with votes on you ???

One of those is animorpherv, by the way, who's not getting more deserved votes now, as you said. I think you would agree that that is a situation that boils my blood.

[Tazaro]

Keep changing my mind on PeregrineV

I have the same thought. I'm like, are people right about him? Though, there's still like three others that look shady to me.

[Tazaro]

Though, this thought is not because he was being such a kid about voting those who haven't picked. The only problem with that to me is that it makes it harder to read him, and it would be a good thing to hide behind because it's made me pay less attention to me.

[Tazaro]

*made me pay less attention to him.

[Tazaro]

M=W is a lurker. Also, he has only seven posts in this game to be specific. You've been here since 3/30/11; M=W was in the first game I was in and another. He's a lurker, perhaps because of business, if

you

remember his reasoning for coming back later to make a decision in "Help my computer got infected...," or whatever, mafia.

I said you, but meant I.
I would vote for sAb if I had to change my vote; he voted for me and did not do much and then went away. If we're going by lurkiness, I'd think that sAb is a worse lurker than M=W, and I don't even know sAb's meta, so I don't know if that's a playstyle thing.

[Tazaro]

You know what; I am going to unvote from ani. I am assuming he showed flakeness with that vote, and sAb is seems more like one who made a real "convenient" vote on me that gives him an excuse to leave after parking it there.

UNVOTE

VOTE: sAb

[Tazaro]

I am not saying Ani is a flake in real life, but in mafia... and it's not that I don't like people's being the only person voting for a particular person; it's just that the wagons are not really solid, which makes me think that the picking diffused focus from scumhunting and people's spending more time trying to see if they agree with other cases.

[Tazaro]

I mean, do we have anilurker, Mewlurker, sAblurker. I'm trying to win in the process of determining lurker vs. scum-lurker. I'm not winning in the process, to use a word from Charlie Sheen, but one of these guys needs to be kicked off the island because there's seems like there's a rotten apple.

[Tazaro]

Hopefully, my not winning in being unsure, is properly balanced by semi-winning in hopefully picking a scum in sAb.

[Tazaro]

You know what; I am going to unvote from ani. I am assuming he showed flakeness with that vote, and sAb is seems more like one who made a real "convenient" vote on me that gives him an excuse to leave after parking it there.

UNVOTE

VOTE: sAb

So you are going with an OMGUS vote ? Don't think I've ever seen anyone this nervous about getting a few votes on them.

Well, I know I'm town and that mafia would know I am as well and wouldn't have a problem with attacking me. So looking at attackers of yourself is a start. Not an end-all-be-all, but it has informative value.

[Tazaro]

We either had scum voting for Peregrine in a row, or a case that's just that good. And interesting, though, Chuji, I also saw how Peregrine did not just say holding up progress about ani but also said scummy posting; my thought was that it was kind of anticlimatic when he then took it off to continue his holding up progress votes. I believe Peregrine when he says that he did not consider the fact that Lemming Pledge, his pick, sounds like a mission where you he just stays in his lemming home and wipes the pledge on wood, but this seems conceivable to be a vanilla role, to me, which means he's either a vanilla scum or town in my estimation, and even though scum wouldn't be expected to pick a non-power role, I guess he did not see how apparently blatantly vanilla this mission looks if you just think about it and about what farside said about vanillas staying home, said this in the Mini Theme queue, I believe.
He'd be the best lynch given that so many people voting for him in succession can either result in lynching Peregrine or having a list of people on his wagon that have exposed themselves. This

UNVOTE

VOTE: PeregrineV

[Tazaro]

*scums voting in a row

[Tazaro]

I mean these people voting for Peregrine in a row is going to ensure that: information will be in supply if he's town; or a lynch on Peregrine based on a good case that exposes him as a man of scumminess. I indicated in the past that PF is the more pro-town head, but find it interesting that TOGTFO wanted to mention a similar thought.

[Tazaro]

I also find it interesting that CMAR has been dropping info off in installments, but the real consequential question about "why Mike"? has been left lingering for a while

[Tazaro]

What is the "chainsaw defense?"

It's as if you're getting this from another game, because nobody said this phrase in this game. But it's a way of defending another person that entails attacking that person's attacker.

[Tazaro]

CMAR, are you a busy person?

[Tazaro]

All of your recent posts have been defensively orientated and answering attacks on you - would you actually post anything if there wasn't a particular attack on yourself to defend ?

This was what you said to M=W. The thing is, if someone seems to lurk, then probably the only types of things that they would be expected to respond to is if someone attacks them or if someone asks them something. I know that in games I've played, the people I would respond to the most would be those who made me do a back and forth kind of thing, like when I say something they they see a problem with, and I have to justify things pursuant to that. The interesting thing is that I would not think another person who plays like me would be necessarily scum if they did that, even though just because someone plays like you doesn't mean that they are town like you.
Another thing I'd like to say is that I saw a number of lurkers around these parts. I will not call them people who do not care about this game; I will call them people who are not on as much perhaps because of their being busy. And that's why I asked CMAR a question referring to whether he was busy; I saw him promising info or implying that things will be explained later, so he needs to at least inform us of whether this is a matter of him being busy even in that bigger post where he voted for mikemike without explaining why he placed that vote specifically. Another thing I'd point out is that the other lurker that I have noticeable problems with is ani; know some tell or imply that he is a person who gives an impression that he plays with a kiddish or sillier playstyle, which means that a vote he placed on me that seemed frivolous, where I said "there's no defense against policy death if people care deadly much amount about my criminal post" and even posted an Osama Bin Laden picture, and then ani accused me of not doing anything to defend myself from the fact that I linked to four ongoing games in a past game I played.
The more I think about it, the more I think that in this game, maybe people who speak more would be a group of people who should be suspect. I suspected Chuji at first because he could say some much apparently, but he did not vote for ani even though at the time I thought ani was scummier than Peregrine. I don't know about Chuji, but at least this seems to be a case that he made against Peregrine that's not just a shoddily put together case made in haste.
As for another person who posts a lot; we have Peregrine himself. I see him as someone who has reasons for his posts that may be trying to give an impression that he's involved somewhat without really voting for a serious vote. This brings into question his statement that ani had scummy posting, which was the most serious thing he said in his random votes. I do not think he made the argument that "it's ani, you have to say ani is doing wrong things, because it's ani!" But when he voted for ani and then after a while he took his vote off of Ani, that seemed anticlimatic that he at least thought someone was scummy apparently but was going to unvote from them anyway and continue doing the vote holding up thing
Also, I'd like to comment about mikemike; he seems low key, and maybe wants to jump along with other's suspicions. I don't know whether this is just someone who wants to see if others detect things and then agrees with them if they are good, or is someone who needs to be on a wagon because of opportunism.
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[Tazaro]

Taz 312- Do you think Peregrine is scum or do you just want to lynch him because either the rest of the town does/scum are bandwagoning him?

He's the best choice; so many people voted for him in a row, and issues with him have been in the back of my mind because he has a presence without doing as much as he could and it's a nagging kind of question whether he's hiding in plain sight.

[Tazaro]

So yeah, I've thought of him; he was kind of the nexus of things, but it is quite interesting how many people voted for him in a row, but some of these are new i individuals who would say, that's a thorough case and if it's good enough for that guy, it's good enough for me.

[Tazaro]

I figured putting thoughts I wanted to broadcast in one paragraph was less spammy, which was good especially because no else was posting as much on Sunday.

[Tazaro]

His posts have been consistent

, even if he votes have not been. Not to mention

his reactions to having 5 votes have been stable and not aggressive

.

Both things are things that scum are capable of doing.

[Tazaro]

@PeregrineV- It's not something that made me think you deserve a vote from me; it just happens to be something that mitigates what could go wrong: I saw the vanilla possibility as something that would make it less of a big loss if you were a townie who was lynched.

[Tazaro]

Lemming tree very pretty, and the lemon flower is sweet!

I see this as supporting the concept that farside recognized that Lemming sounds like Lemon in her mind. Persuant to this, Lemming pledge = Lemon Pledge = vanilla role (staying at this lemming home, polishing wood). Suspect posting from Peregrine, and extra insurance that his role is vanilla. From the mod, a clue slipped out in the process of posting that stanza or whatever it's called. Who says role speculation does not have a place? We've got a look into the mod's mind in this case.

[Tazaro]

Are knock-knock jokes' lines called stanzas,? I've thought that jokes are sort of like poetry in a sense. Knock-knock joke super sleuth here <arrogant expression on face>

[Tazaro]

Triple Post:
Though speculation reaches it's limit; Cement mixer, concrete, fedora? Sounds mafiaish, but most be differences, aye?

[Tazaro]

*must

[Tazaro]

Oh, come on guys, I have much more thoughts out there in all my posts than some people.

[Tazaro]

I have 270 some-odd (or even) posts; I've added stuff continuously. Give me a break today; I get free time to do other things I like because my sister is not working today.

[Tazaro]

*146. Mixed it up with another game. But even though I posted so far, I will continue.

[Tazaro]

Nothing new to add; you don't like the PR stuff; well I don't have to write non-PR stuff right after it to balance things out or something. I won't say more PR stuff now, but no more of other things now either.

[Tazaro]

be back tomorrow to this thread. out of this July 4th slump, people.

[Tazaro]

Tazaro looks town because he contributes, without apparent preferences.

@malpascp: What do you mean by I don't have apparent preferences? Maybe answering this would help me understand why this a town read according to you. What do you mean?

[Tazaro]

*why this IS a town read according to you...

[Tazaro]

Vote Count:

malpascp (1) Quilford
Tazaro (1) sAbLLimINal
Me=Weird (1) PeregrineV

Peregrine (5) Chuji Kunisada, me=weird, Jedo the Jedi, Tazaro, malpascp

animorpherv1 (1): mikemike778
mikemike (1) CryMeARiver

All but the italicized only have one person voting for them. Does this mean that Peregrine is the only viable lynch and people should give up their one-man crusades?

[Tazaro]

Now that's an observation about the italicized voteE. 3 out of 5 of the italicized voteRS are people who have one vote against them. Any vote count sleuths?

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE: malpascp
VOTE: Tazaro

Que?

[Tazaro]

Now that's an observation about the italicized voteE. 3 out of 5 of the italicized voteRS are people who have one vote against them. Any vote count sleuths?

T'is good for me to think of this vote count myself. I was looking at past games. When I was scum, there were one-man crusades and one person whose wagon dwarfed others on day one. It turned out that person was town in that normal game, and it worries me that this may be the case with Peregrine because if forgettable people like m=w and mike are voting for him, and because I've looked at a game to bone up on Peregrine's meta, Peregrine reminds me of that day one lynch, Wraith, where people jump on bad novice play. Look at his join date; he reminds me of Wraith who was mislynched in that normal game, and there must be scum on his wagon regardless of his alignment, and I we need to squeeze more use out of the nearly one week we have left.

UNVOTE: Peregrine

[Tazaro]

Format abidance; no person's name after unvote probably makes one not miss the unvote better

UNVOTE

[Tazaro]

The scummiest person on Peregrine IMO is m=w; reminds me of classic lurker scum that hop on a big wagon, and I saw him in a game before and cannot stand the fact that this is much different level of input he put into this current game.

VOTE: Me=Weird

[Tazaro]

*THAN he put into this game

[Tazaro]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=14677
I mean, look at this re: M=W. That was noticeably different level of input than he put into this game

[Tazaro]

Lurking level that game: not
Lurking level this game: yeah

[Tazaro]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=13941
Oh, actually it was this game that should show M=W's contribution; he was doctor, lynched early, but something's not right about his postings in this thread compared to the feeling I got from reading him when I knew he was town.

[Tazaro]

I checked the post count of his in the newbie, not in the 387 link, which I only carry out with me at times to show how bad I can play.

[Tazaro]

He's the only one with more than one vote; this screams mislynch on an obscenely bad playing of this game by Peregrine. He's a 2011 guy; what would indicate that it's not bad playing and is instead newb scum?

[Tazaro]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=13941
Oh, actually it was this game that should show M=W's contribution; he was doctor, lynched early, but something's not right about his postings in this thread compared to the feeling I got from reading him when I knew he was town.

By lynched early, I did not mean day one. And I think Peregrine's massive wagon compared to others makes the word mislynch nag at me. Just something weird.

[Tazaro]

By lynched early, I did not mean day one.

I was thinking of M=W there. Apologies.

[Tazaro]

To me, it reads as a bad thing, so I'm just going to keep my vote here.

Gut?

What? That's not gut, it's logic.

Even animorpherv1 said "yes" to the question I wrote as "Gut?" It was gut.

[Tazaro]

^Yes. Sundays after 3:30 mean I have to be somewhere soon and stay there. No more posting today other than this little snip. This is all Mr. Prolific Poster will say today.

[Tazaro]

People not voting for PeregrineV need to remind me of their reasons.

T'is good for me to think of this vote count myself. I was looking at past games. When I was scum, there were one-man crusades and one person whose wagon dwarfed others on day one. It turned out that person was town in that normal game, and it worries me that this may be the case with Peregrine because if forgettable people like m=w and mike are voting for him, and because I've looked at a game to bone up on Peregrine's meta, Peregrine reminds me of that day one lynch, Wraith, where people jump on bad novice play. Look at his join date; he reminds me of Wraith who was mislynched in that normal game, and there must be scum on his wagon regardless of his alignment, and I we need to squeeze more use out of the nearly one week we have left.

[Tazaro]

^Unvoting is not a reason. But, yeah, I unvoted in the post where I wrote that^.

[Tazaro]

Also, if each player currently voting could please state their case in bulleted points on their current lynch candiudate, using post links as backup, we can hash out some good info from day1.

The scummiest person on Peregrine IMO is m=w; reminds me of classic lurker scum that hop on a big wagon, and I saw him in a game before http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=13941 and cannot stand the fact that this is much different level of input he put into this current game.

VOTE: Me=Weird

[Tazaro]

^Did not post the link in that post previously; it is an add-on.

[Tazaro]

The real relevance of that link: Big difference between posting 28 posts from page 9 to page 15 and posting less than one post per page this game.

[Tazaro]

Not you. Please let it be a dream that jilynne replaced in!

Due to computer problems, no access for up to a week, though I should be back by the weekend.

And it's less than one post per page even if we exclude all the pages after the page he posted this in and exclude that page itself (page 14).

[Tazaro]

Conclusion: even being fair by excluding lack of posting from pre-computer problems, such difference in posting level of a person indicates that if a person posts a much higher amount as town, then posting a much lower amount in a game is more in line with their scum meta style of posting. I suggest that this is important because people are in different mindsets as scum than as town, trying to avoid more attention or trying to not say too much upfront.

[Tazaro]

Yeah, I'm gonna cut out such ugly looking multiposting.

[Tazaro]

M=W talked about one post per

day

which is very reasonable.

I thought of it in terms of posting, but when I look at his ISO for days, you're right. I retract my vote

UNVOTE

I'm lost, and it's the replacements that complicate things for me; I voted for animo and sAb, whom are both replaced with people who have not posted as much as others. Shadow Dancer looks reasonable right now. Jil looks... How am I supposed to read jil? I really don't know whom to believe; Quilford gets replaced by someone, and CryMeARiver was replaced; it's like a Mobius strip that gets going around in my head. This game..

[Tazaro]

*in terms of posting per day

[Tazaro]

*I thought of it in terms of posting per page, rather

[Tazaro]

I didn't like malp's 335. First off, he says that taz has been about the only one contributing.

The fact that I was not the only one to think that it's a bit like mal was snuggling up to me is interesting and reinforcing. I will vote for him and see what he thinks of me now. Not a joke. does the prolific poster have to be buddied up to?

VOTE: malpascp

[Tazaro]

@Everyone: At #335, I wanted people to contribute to the game, to make contributive posts. I looked at Tazaro's posts and I didn't see the emptiness and the round-and-round that the few active players did. Maybe we should had stayed like that. The fact is that, somehow, the game is moving a lot faster.

I don't buddy up with anyone. Never. If I think someone has a correct point of view, I support him and show that's my point of view too. If someone, IMO, is almost always accurate on his opinions, I think it's not scummy to say so.

I'm a fair motherf***er and accept this explanation.

UNVOTE

[Tazaro]

f***er stands for faster. Sometimes I like to fast from times of being with my mother

[Tazaro]

It is time for the "If I have to, I wouldn't mind, etc." votes now.

Getting on a wagon for the sake of getting on wagon is not our necessary and proper business on day one.

[Tazaro]

mike: pro-town, to me, would mean helpful. I am helpful? Or are you using a different definition. From what I read according to others' opinions, I am not responsible for whatever assumed-to-be-good directions we are going in.

[Tazaro]

^What a weird thing to say; do you have an explanation ready for what you think is wrong with malpascp?

[Tazaro]

Don't try to pass off penguins as Lemmings..

[Tazaro]

Oh, it's a gopher or a groundhog or something.
Glasses help.

[Tazaro]

The downside of not having a strict deadline rule (e.g., no lynch if no majority) is that people can then use the lack of this strictness as an out because they can get a person lynched whom they want to be lynched but not cast the final vote, so hammers are tossed out of the equation as something we can think about. Scum don't have to worry about the stigma of hammering. I bet Peregrine won't get a hammer.

[Tazaro]

I'm the kind of player who sees everyone as null or worse on day one. Very hard for me to get myself to think of someone as reliable town.

[Tazaro]

Of course, you don't have to believe me about that <belly laugh>

[Tazaro]

If you are roleblocker who targetted someone last night, claim your target!

[Tazaro]

If you are roleblocker who targetted someone last night, claim your target!

Does not sound like standard English.
If you are responsible for roleblocking last night, claim your target!

[Tazaro]

If you mean doctor by protect, I do not think a doctor should claim.

[Tazaro]

Motion for players to consider: motion that we agree that the same people will pick the same missions as before if they are still available on the picking list. This is the best way to ensure that, if a roleblocker does not claim, he will remain with his role and use the information he already has from roleblocking some to try to figure out who to roleblock next

[Tazaro]

edit: from roleblocking someone...

[Tazaro]

Do not pick until you have read the Motion!

[Tazaro]

In fact, I prefer the motion to a roleblocker claim even if I am the roleblocker and am worried about claiming. (a) There might not be a roleblocker; (b) I might be the roleblocker; (c) we do not know the roleblocker's wishes about claiming.

[Tazaro]

If you are roleblocker who targetted someone last night, claim your target!

Does not sound like standard English.
If you are responsible for roleblocking last night, claim your target!

Why would I say this if I were a roleblocker? Hmmm...
Wifom mission complete

[Tazaro]

Also, Taz I don't think the mafia's kill can be role blocked.. Only prevented by jailkeeper or doctor.

Are you saying that if the Mafia were prevented from killing someone so early, then it follows that it was because someone else targetted the would-be target of the Mafia's nightkill?

[Tazaro]

Notice I did not say the performer of the Mafia's nightkill; I said the target; do you still say yes to my question?

[Tazaro]

I mean, you're saying that the Mafia's kill was stopped because the target was targetted. How do you know that the Mafia member who tried to perform the action was not targetted?