mini 282 Game Over

[CoolBot]

Well, this game doesn't look to be in danger of stalling. I think we should have competing bandwagons, though.

vote: Stark

[CoolBot]

Huh? The game moves by bandwagoning. I expect a claim from someone who gets this close to a lynch, no matter how we got there. Stop trying to distract the issue.

[CoolBot]

Can we just lynch rocko to get him out of the way?

Nah, I'm waiting for that claim you're so carefully avoiding. With four votes, that's certainly enough to warrant one.

[CoolBot]

Whay makes him so scummy, stark? You

are

refusing to claim. Implying your role is too important to claim is one of the oldest scum tricks there is.

[CoolBot]

I don't think Yosarian's questioning of Stark was that suspicous. In fact, I was wondering about stark's obssession with rocko myself. If yosarian wanted to vote him, he would have.

[CoolBot]

Oh, I meant to

unvote: start

[CoolBot]

There's nothing wrong with Astro unvote Yosarian in that situation. As it was, scum could've just come along and lynched him without giving him a chance to defend himself. I don't see the unvote as particularly scummy.

[CoolBot]

The scummy thing Astro did was drop the logic-less vote on me in the first place

This doesn't jive with the rest of your post. Did you mean the suspicious thing he did was vote for you, putting you one away from a lynch? If so, I agree that it was scummy. But half of the people on that wagon are scummy for the same reason: rushing to vote someone with little to no explanation. Why Astro over everyone else? And why are you so eager to throw him under the bus?

[CoolBot]

Since "throw dirt and retreat to see if it sticks" is a mafia tactic,

Funny that you'd say that. Becuase after rereading Day 1, you fit this characterizaiton much better. Yosarian asked for clarification on Stark's attitude towards Rock; that is not scummy, no matter how many times you repeat it. Combined with you abrupt change to Astro when the Yosarian wagon stalled, I get a rather distinct impression that any lynch is good enough for you.

vote: Alexander

[CoolBot]

I also like it how Coolbot and Spamwise are voting me for the exact opposite reasons

The hell? I never said you weren't using WIFOM logic. How could I? Your posts reek of it. I am voting you because of your switch from Yosarian to Astro for little reason. This happened

well

before you actually voted for him. Reading your posts, it's clear you wanted him lynched since at least post #143:

Compare and contrast:

vote: Yosarian2

I don't like day 1's. One from lynch, if I'm not mistaken.

Translation: "Let's just jump on the wagon quickly, because there are only 2 spots left. There's no need to re-read or analyze, let's just do it. I am voting for him safely because I know he's scum"

unvote: Yosarian2

A tiny bit of re-reading to be done during the weekend.

Translation: "No one seems eager to occupy the last spot. Maybe I can still jump off safely. Now suddenly I care a lot about re-reading."

Perhpas abrupt was the wrong word for me to use, you there was a distinct change of focus from Yosarian to Astro just as the Yosarian wagon was losing steam.

So, explain to me how this is the oppositie of Spamwise's arguement. Or are you simply being disingenous?

[CoolBot]

Not the way I see it. You only went after Astro in a big way until after ziliu and I expressed our dissatification with the Yosarain wagon and Astro unvoted him.

Maybe it's because that "any lynch was good for him"??

How can you possibly argue this when not only was I not on the Yosarian & Astros wagons, I argued against them?

You're simply making stuff up now. Please stop. You might want to claim, though; you are only two from a lynch.

[CoolBot]

No, Alexander, I did not resort to WIFOM. You accused me of being guilty of "any lynch is good enough." This was demostrably untrue. I did not say anything of like scum would not be on the Astro wagon.

BECAUSE THE VOTE/UNVOTE WAS SCUMMY!!! Again, you are conflating cause and effect.

I'm not arguing whether the unvote was scummy or not here. It was evidence that the Yosarian bandwagon was dying before you started to attack Astro. Your cause and effect arguement is complete BS.

You defense seems to be (correct me if I'm wrong) is that scum wouldn't try to manipulate wagons in the way you claim you did, since it's too scummy. That is classic WIFOM. This, of course, ignores that you were reacting to events, not manipulationg them.

[CoolBot]

The reason I'm not voting for Alexander now is because his thrashing about would be bad Mafia play.

Mafia can get frustrated and make mistakes like the rest of us.

I won't claim.

Why not? And what does PBPA mean?

[CoolBot]

In the same vein as ziliu, Alexander has avoided answer questions posed to him, e.g., I asked him why he won't claim and he's given no justification yet.

185: I pose a direct question to Spamwise which goes unanswered for the rest of the day. Scum tell = non-confrontation

All in all, Alexander is pretty guilty of pot calling

224: CA accuses MeMe of 'diverting us from Alexander' eventhough he did exactly the same in 122 and 130, diverting us from Yosarian. Scum tell = Pot calling the kettle black

Combine this with his (probably willful) misrepresentation of other players and his refusal to claim, I'd say we have a pretty good lynch candidate. I'd put the hammer on him now, if only I wasn't already voting him.

[CoolBot]

Sombody vote Alexander already. He's given every indication he's scum:
1) He advocated the astro lynch while staying off it Day 1
2) Some of his defense has amounted to little more than WIFOM
3) He's mischaracterized other's arguements against him, e.g., his charaterization that my and Spamwise's arguements were the opposite of each other
4) His post rationlzation of a bad attack on me as a 'test'
5) His refusal to claim
6) His refusal to answer questions directly posed to him, e.g., he's never explained why he won't claim, though I have asked why
7) He has characterized others' actions as scummy, despite that he was guilty of the same
8) He has generally just thrown attack after attack, hoping one will stick

[CoolBot]

Lousy emorticons

[CoolBot]

Alexander refusal to claim should be enough to lynch him. There is no reason not to, unless he doesn't trust his ability to make one up. He also is refusing to even give an explanation why he won't claim, suggesting he has no good reason.

I will not be unvoting him, except perhaps for an extraordinary circumstance such as a cop with info.

[CoolBot]

I don't agree. With one kill per night, there are no competing scum groups to winnow out their numbers. So, buy no lynching, we are pretty much hoping there's a lucky vig out there.

[CoolBot]

What do you mean by more results. And why do you think there's a vig?

[CoolBot]

here sure are a lot of votes being thrown around

Better than no lynch, which just dooms us to a slow death.

[CoolBot]

No lynch only makes sense if there are competing scum groups. It's a tatic of desperation which does not work when scum don't have to worry about competing scum groups.

[CoolBot]

No Lynch is a mistake. The

only

time it makes any sense is when there are competing scum groups. There is no evidence thats the case here

CA's actions this day have been pretty suspicous. First, jumps at the idea of no lynch. Then, he jumps on the Spamwise wagon, even though it has little justification, and getting the right lynch is critical. He then unvotes him, for no reason. Finally, he starts the actual no lynch wagon.

[CoolBot]

Generally, when someone claims, they choose the next person. That way, the mafia don't have too much control over when they claim.

[CoolBot]

I don't know; moving your eyss a couple inches to the left is so much work.

[CoolBot]

No, not yet.

I'm just a townine.

I'd like impossible to go next.

[CoolBot]

vote: rocko92

[CoolBot]

I can't see any harm in voting rocko, so vote: rocko92.

Yep, no harm at all.

[CoolBot]

Actually, I would've argued it even if I was town. No lynch really only makes sense if there's multiple scum groups or a known vig. Still pretty popular though, which made it easy for me to decide which restriction to go after.

[CoolBot]

It wasn't rocko's move that doomed the town. It was ziliu's vote before finishing the mass claim that was the gift.

As for restrictions, they weren't as restrictive as I first thought they'd be. I didn't have to change my style much for either of the ones I did.