Open 319: Jungle Republic - Day 5: Calamity *GAME OVER*

whispersilk · Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:35 am

Shucks... I got the first post.

Points to note about me:

1. I am female.
2. I am female.
3. I am female.

That is all.

whispersilk · Post Post #9 (isolation #1) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:05 am

Because he is stupid. I almost pulled out of this game when I realised he was in it.

Self-voting is bad form DK.

whispersilk · Post Post #11 (isolation #2) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:20 am

I'm so glad you unvoted yourself

whispersilk · Post Post #14 (isolation #3) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:38 am

Now you're just plain offending my entire gender.

Vote: tyhess

whispersilk · Post Post #19 (isolation #4) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:09 am

DeityKabuto wrote:
whispersilk wrote:Now you're just plain offending my entire gender.

Vote: tyhess

Is this a serious vote?

Of course it isn't. Isn't this the RVS? Do you feel like you need to defend tyhess at this point, if so, why?

Because tyhess' wasn't and I don't see what gender has to do with Mafia. o.o

Is that why you keep referring to me as a guy in the other game we're playing?

whispersilk · Post Post #23 (isolation #5) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:42 am

You've played with him before too, huh?

whispersilk · Post Post #151 (isolation #6) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:30 am

Sky wrote:I'll answer Deity's 20 questions since he feels uncomfortable answering three questions...

Oh yes, he doesn't like answering the tough ones.

whispersilk · Post Post #153 (isolation #7) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:35 am

Guys, DK is rage posting like he did at me when I called him out for avoiding my question for three pages in our other game. He made similar pleas to avoid a mislynch. Turns out he was town. Not saying he isn't scum or wolf, just saying his play here is almost a mirror of his rage and dodgy behaviour in my other game. He posts like an idiot, and is hard to understand, but I think he should be given a chance to explain himself and clear things up.

So no hammer yet, plzy.

Gonna try and catch up with the other 4 pages I've missed.

whispersilk · Post Post #154 (isolation #8) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:37 am

DeityKabuto wrote:
whispersilk wrote:
Sky wrote:I'll answer Deity's 20 questions since he feels uncomfortable answering three questions...

Oh yes, he doesn't like answering the tough ones.

You haven't completed any games with me. '-'

I know, but we're coming to the end of that game, and you were a complete ass. The only thing that saved you was a cop's claim.

I'm actually trying to help you here. So shut up, and if you are town, start acting like it or you're gonna get lynched.

whispersilk · Post Post #155 (isolation #9) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:38 am

I knew I should have subbed out of this game.

/sigh

whispersilk · Post Post #158 (isolation #10) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:49 am

I went to a wedding a couple hundred miles away, and forgot to let the rest of you know before I left. But I'm back and ready to RAAAWR.

whispersilk · Post Post #159 (isolation #11) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:50 am

By RAAAWR, I mean kick some anti-town ass.

whispersilk · Post Post #160 (isolation #12) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:52 am

DeityKabuto wrote:

okay sorry, but I really think that people are being opportunistic here trying to quick lynch me, the day just started

Frankly, I don't blame them. You come off scummy.

Anyway, going to read now.

whispersilk · Post Post #219 (isolation #13) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:51 am

BBmolla wrote:
1. What's your prior experience with Mafia at this site? At others Sites? With other players in this game?
2. If a Seer found a werewolf on the first night, would it be better to claim and get a werewolf lynched or not claim and hope they can find the other werewolf before they are killed?

1) This is my second game on this site. I'm currently playing in Newbie 1128 with DK. I've played one game on another forum.
2) I would go with not claiming - unless the seer felt there was a strong possibility he was going to become a target at night. Then it might be wise to speak up.

whispersilk · Post Post #221 (isolation #14) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:58 am

BBmolla wrote:
@Deity: Could you explain this for me? Voting yourself never helps anyone.

He does a lot of stupid things. Get used to it, but don't assume it means he has an anti-town role.

whispersilk · Post Post #223 (isolation #15) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:00 am

DeityKabuto wrote:

Stop implying that I'm a dumbass...

You

are

a dumbass.

whispersilk · Post Post #229 (isolation #16) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:48 am

Thor665 wrote:@whispersilk - no one is voting tyhess, how do you feel about that?

I don't feel anything. I think there are other players that are attracting more attention, and I'm not surprised he hasn't had any more votes. My vote on him was random, and it will remain there until I decide on a better place for it.

I'm concerned about the early wagon on ray. Could you please explain to me why you think he deserves votes? And is it that you think he should be lynched, or are you just trying to apply pressure?

whispersilk · Post Post #230 (isolation #17) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:03 am

DeityKabuto wrote:

whispersilk

Rating:
5/10

Alignment-Read:
Null-town

Notes:

1. I am currently in an Ongoing game with you, you are a skilled Newbie.
2. I want you to post more, seriously. If you are going to be inactive like this you could be Mafia or Werewolf flying under the radar to survive, you have potential~

I'm incapable of flying under any radar. I'm a smart hawt woman, ffs.

DK wrote:I usually rage when I actually am Town and people are lynching me for bad behaviors so EZ without a probable case or anything of that sort.
More than 75% of those on my wagon only provided 1-2 lines of explanation, may not even be full sentences.

Dude, my posts were aimed at educating those in this game that don't have any experience of playing with you. I'm not deaf, so quit hollering.

whispersilk · Post Post #232 (isolation #18) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:15 am

I'm here now. I got busy with rl, then our other game had my attention, due to how riveting it is atm.

whispersilk · Post Post #233 (isolation #19) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:22 am

So what's the dl on these guys DK?

whispersilk · Post Post #235 (isolation #20) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:31 am

Obviously. They would be stupid not to jump on and hope for some dumbass newb to hammer.

whispersilk · Post Post #236 (isolation #21) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:32 am

This is assuming you are town of course.

whispersilk · Post Post #241 (isolation #22) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:53 am

I get you. You're being persecuted for no other reason than you play in a weird way, and these guys don't understand that yet.

This middle egg is sooooo scummy looking.

whispersilk · Post Post #242 (isolation #23) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:55 am

I'll post my reads once I've read everything AGAIN. You know me, I go with my gut, and not with the crowd.

whispersilk · Post Post #244 (isolation #24) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:58 am

lol, sorry, I meant the middle white egg.

whispersilk · Post Post #245 (isolation #25) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:58 am

The one to the right of him is clearly stoned.

whispersilk · Post Post #250 (isolation #26) » Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:35 pm

Like I said, I go with my gut and instinct, and not with the crowd. As attractive as your wagon might be Thor, I think I'll hold off vote hopping until I've gained enough of a read on everyone to feel confident I've made the right choice.

Why do you want him to be lynched so bad? Help me understand your point of view here, please, because I don't see it.

whispersilk · Post Post #307 (isolation #27) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:50 am

I don't have the experience that most you have and I don't have yet have the skills to pick up on a lot of scum tells. All I have is my gut feeling, and it's worked fairly well for me in the only other game where I was town.

Not sure how helpful or relevant they will be, but here are my feelings so far:

kondi2424

No read on this player at all.

TheFool

anti-town - Something about this guy is off.

Sky

anti-town - This guy too.

DeityKabuto

town - As I've already said, I'm currently in a newbie game with DK. We are both town, and DK is behaving exactly the same way in this game. I also don't think he is smart enough to play an anti-town role. I think his game play would be completely different, I think he would try too hard, and I believe I would pick up on it.

BBmolla

neutral - No comment.

CMPunk

neutral/anti-town - No comment.

FightingShadow

town - Gut feeling.

DonJosh

neutral - No comment.

tyhess

anti-town - Gut feeling.

Ray Montano

neutral - No comment.

Thor665

neutral - No comment.

whispersilk · Post Post #309 (isolation #28) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:17 am

Yes, your reads are just excellent.

It's hard for me to spell out why I feel the way I do about everyone. A lot of the time it's just something to do with how they have said something, or how they appear to be contributing, but just poke their noses into other peoples debates, and don't really start any of their own. See: TheFool and CMPunk. I guess there are a few traditional thoughts about Mafia that I don't necessarily believe. One being that scum don't start wagons. I'd like to believe Thor is a good scum hunter, and I'm sure he is one when playing a town role, but I don't exclude him from being anti-town in this game just because he's aggressive. I think he is experienced, and probably plays both sides pretty well.

I get the same feeling from both tyhess and Sky. Something about them doesn't sit right with me.

I'll try to elaborate on my feelings as I am able to define them better.

whispersilk · Post Post #311 (isolation #29) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:29 am

How come you're so shit at this game then?

whispersilk · Post Post #318 (isolation #30) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:59 am

BBmolla wrote:

whispersilk wrote:It's hard for me to spell out why I feel the way I do about everyone.

This to me just says "I'm scum and don't feel like making up cases."
But, whisper is not the lynch for today.

Wow. Did you bother to read the rest of my post? Even tho it's hard for me to define my gut feelings, I still tried to express them in a way that might be helpful, and I did say I would elaborate on those thoughts further. This is only my second game as town; what do you want me to do... just make random shit up like other people?

whispersilk · Post Post #326 (isolation #31) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:20 pm

blindfaeth, yay!

whispersilk · Post Post #328 (isolation #32) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:59 am

Uhm, there is no "wilderness" player. He was saying "Welcome to the wildernes...".

You crack me up sometimes.

whispersilk · Post Post #334 (isolation #33) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:01 am

TheFool wrote:Whispersilk, it's concerning the extent to which you've avoided talking about Thor/Ray. It's practically consumed the thread in the last few days; do you not have a read on either of them?

Where have I avoided talking about either of them? I have a neutral read on both of them for very good reason, one of which I've already mentioned. I believe Thor is skilled, and I'm not sold on this Ray wagon. Yes, I know some of you think he is scummy, but I've seen it all before, and it's going to take more to convince me. I do not like the initial reasoning behind the wagon, nor do I like how everyone else, particularly you, jumped on it for no reason. Out of all those who hopped on, it pleases me the DK was the first one to jump off. It's one of the reasons I have a major town read on him at this point. He questioned why he was there in the first place, and decided it made no sense.

Right now for me, Thor and Ray effectively counteract each other, leaving me with a neutral read on both of them, with a slight scum lean on Ray. It's not enough to get my vote yet tho, and I'm more interested in the reads I get off of everyone else who jumped on the wagon. Particularly you. Let me be clear.

I think you are scum.

TheFool wrote:This is very fence-sitty, and basically says nothing. I agree that the ability to scumhunt doesn't clear him as town (there are multiple scumteams this game, so scum can even legitimately scumhunt here), but are you indicating that you think Thor is scummy? It's pretty unclear.

No. If I thought Thor was scum, I would say so. I'm saying that I believe he is skilled at scum hunting, but the fact he is being aggressive in this game does not automatically make him town in my eyes. Is what I said that hard to understand?

TheFool wrote:How do you feel about Ray's unresponsiveness to Thor's case?

I think Ray is defensive, and I think I would be too, after having someone start a campaign of voting on me for no reason. I'm not blind to what has been said, but I guess I'd still like to know why Thor jumped on him just because he made a comment about being away from this site. Am I missing something here?

One other thing I will say about Ray is this: I like his scum reads in post #262. They are pretty much my thoughts exactly.

On to you Fool:

Post 60 - Your first post is this game

Hey everyone, interesting game so far!

Hmmm, what took you so long to get here?

The Ray wagon has virtue beyond Thor's evidence.

What evidence, and what virtue beyond it are you talking about?

Oh wait, you answer that here, 24 posts later in Post 84 - Your second post in this game

Fluff posting. 15 posts, 0 content.

This is pretty lol coming from someone with 1 post and 0 content. Care to explain how you can find someone with 14 more posts than you scummy? Or how this equates to virtue?

Post 135 - Your third post in this game

This is stupid. DK, pick a stance and stick with it. They're either cheating or they aren't. Your vote doesn't need to be on a different player every page.

Oh, but every other post is ok? If Ray's wagon had so much virtue, why jump on DK's? Was it because you thought his wagon was a safer bet?

Post 140 - Your fourth post in this game

FightingShadow's post is also very valid here.

I don't like how you suck someone else's reasoning into your answer, without offering anything of your own other than your 3 previous meh reasons, especially as you then withdraw your vote a few posts later.

Post 164 - Your sixth post in this game directed at Ray

Help, then. Who is scum and why?

How about

you

give

your

reads on everyone, instead of jumping on and off the obvious wagons and offering nothing yourself?

Post 193 - Your eight post in this game

To elaborate, 24 posts, no vote, no voiced suspicions, no content. His only stance thus far is "quicklynches are bad".

Hmmm. I'll take that over 8 posts, 3 wagon hopping votes, no real voiced suspicions of your own, no reads, and fluff content at best. I don't agree with quick lynches either.

Post 256 - Your 9th post in this game

I'm feeling kinda mis-repped here; that post is a direct response to you indicating that you'd like to help. Does prodding the town's current suspect into giving his reads not count as help?

Not when you barely post and haven't bothered to give your own reads on anyone.

As far as opportunism and flying under the radar, I've given reasons for all two of my votes.

Oh yes, all the "virtue" and fluff.

Awesome.

And finally, your tenth and last post in this game, the one where you call me out for fence sitting and saying nothing.

Bit of advice: Don't bother trying to divert attention attention away from yourself by making me look bad or by playing dumb. Once I have a gut feeling, I don't let go. I think you are scum, and until you do something drastic to change my mind, I will focus on you and I won't stop until my questions are answered.

whispersilk · Post Post #337 (isolation #34) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:17 am

Oh, I forgot to vote lol.

VOTE: TheFool

whispersilk · Post Post #338 (isolation #35) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:18 am

bah, forgot to unvote. Sorry Mod

UNVOTE: tyhess
VOTE: TheFool

whispersilk · Post Post #354 (isolation #36) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:36 am

I also noticed those comments of Thor's, but I can't see a player such as himself slipping up like that. I think those comments were made on purpose, and I think he has a lot of confidence in this game. Right now I'm far more suspicious of TheFool.

Also DK, if he has experience playing with you, I can fully understand his joke about wanting the wolves to kill you.

whispersilk · Post Post #409 (isolation #37) » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:43 am

My, what a pleasant mod we have.

Going to bed now, but will be around tomorrow to catch up on all the RAWR'ing and MEOW'ing goin on.

whispersilk · Post Post #439 (isolation #38) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:57 am

Sorry. I will be around tonight. Weekends are a little tough for me right now. Can't devote that much time to online stuff.

whispersilk · Post Post #460 (isolation #39) » Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:02 am

blindfaeth wrote:
unvote;
vote whisper

if for nothing else than a nice little pinch to get her posting content again~

OMG that's mean. This weekend is really tough for me. Sorry everyone. I have lots to read and post, and thought I would have tons of spare time this weekend, but rl reared it's ugly head.

whispersilk · Post Post #513 (isolation #40) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:07 am

Thor665 wrote:@Whisper - you and DK seemed excited by blindfaeth showing up. If the game you're in with him is ongoing please don't quote specifics, but were you excited because he was a friendly/familiar face? Or were you excited because you think he's a good scumhunter/pro-town force?

I was excited because at the time, the three of us were concluding our newbie game together. We won the game for the town, and had a good time doing it. I trust blindfaeths judgement and think he is an excellent pro-town force, yes. He and I worked pretty well together.

whispersilk · Post Post #514 (isolation #41) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:37 am

blindfaeth wrote:
unvote;
vote whisper

if for nothing else than a nice little pinch to get her posting content again~

lol, have to laugh at this now considering the town I live in was in a state of mass rioting, arson and looting over the entire weekend.

<3

whispersilk · Post Post #559 (isolation #42) » Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:47 am

I will have a real post up by the end of the day.

whispersilk · Post Post #570 (isolation #43) » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:45 pm

Ok, this daft Thor signature thing: Thor, I believe you have a counter in your signature that displays how many times someone has said to you "you're better than this" (referring to your game play) and has suspected you of being scum because they all think you are some Mafia God and should play every game perfectly, when in reality, you are not perfect, and as your beard is clearly not magical, you will make mistakes, and you will drop scum tells and get lynched, or maybe you're just a townie having an off day. Whatever.

Anyway, the counter in your signature means nothing when unaccompanied by another counter which shows how many times those people have been right.

Right?

In short: Thor's signature can not be used to determine his guilt or innocence.

whispersilk · Post Post #586 (isolation #44) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:15 am

Sorry for my absence. I've been reading the game everyday, just haven't had the time to make a serious post till now.

On the wagon:

Shadowmod wrote:
Ray Montano
(7/7) -
Thor665
,
The Tick
,
DeityKabuto
,
TheFool
,
FightingShadow
,
DeityKabuto
,
TheFool
,
CMPunk
,
BBmolla
,
blindfaeth
,
DonJosh
,
blindfaeth
,
DeityKabuto

Off the wagon:

sky
the tick (town)
havingfitz

I'm more inclined to believe that at least one anti-town player was off the wagon, than all 5 were on it. I'd also find it very hard to believe that all 3 scum were on it. I can see both wolves jumping on, but not all 3 scum. It seems too risky to me, and I think some of them would want to distance themselves from a mislynch.

Roles remaining:

5 scum
5 town

Players remaining:

blindfaeth
TheFool
Sky
DeityKabuto
BBmolla
CMPunk
havingfitz (fightingshadow)
whispersilk
DonJosh
Thor665

Sky - scum

Total contribution to the game = 20 posts.
Voting pattern: CMPunk - DK - CMPunk - CMPunk

I didn't like Sky much when I posted my previous reads, and I like him even less now. His 19 posts are almost enough to make him appear to be contributing, but when isolated, they are actually of very little substance, and he is making no real effort to scum hunt. Arguing with DK for 5 posts about which of them likes/dislikes answering useless questions, is just that, useless. Is tunnelled on CMPunk. Why? I have no clue. Read his ISO. He's voted for her 3 times without giving a clear reason of his own for doing so (there was some talk of her initial vote on DK, but it appears fluffy to me), but is quick to agree with other peoples reasons for voting her after the wagon picked up speed, while still not providing his own reasons. Would like to hear why he thinks CMPunk is scum. In his own words of course.

To be clear: I do not see tunnelling as a scum tell. I myself tunnelled DK for nearly 3 full pages in another game, and we were both town. I find tunnelling and persistent voting of one person, while giving no real reasons, scummy. Especially when you start "concurring" with other peoples reasons for voting the same person.

Sky wrote:The Punk/Thor combo could be a possibility, but due to the lack of posts from CMPunk, it's hard to really gauge. CMPunk, why do you find Thor town?

Lack of posts? She has two more posts than you, and imo has created more useful discussion than you. Your thoughts on that?

All this, coupled with the fact he made certain everyone knew he wasn't going to vote for Ray early on, and the fact he's made sure to highlight after-the-fact that he wasn't on the wagon, seems contrived. Everything about Sky is wish-washy, unclear, and has given me a scum read for a second time.

BBmolla - leaning scum

Appears townie, but...

On Ray:

To me, the Ray vote seems like people just wanting to get day 1 over with as opposed to people actually thinking that person is scum. I wouldn't be surprised to find a couple mafia/werewolves on the wagon.

Ray raises a few questions, but atm and after his last few posts I'm getting town on him. Ray's play is odd, namely the no fear of a bandwagon forming on him, but I think it's town sided considering he would know as a town person that him being lynched would not be the end of the game.

Not really. I'm not saying he's a helpful townmember, but I think he's a town member. I don't think a policy lynch on him is what's needed if that's what you're asking.

Two days later, you placed yourself 4th on his wagon (prime scum real estate), apparently after ISO'ing him. I don't like this at all.

On CMPunk:

I don't like this post at all.

It only reinforces my view on him.

What he's saying makes some sense. The vote on DK doesn't.

"You're voting Thor cause he was wrong about Ray, so I'm going to vote you because you're wrong about Thor!"

CM is buddying Thor hardcore. I'm not liking it at all.

I don't like the way you misrepresented her post. I can understand quite clearly why she voted for DK, and there is no reason why you shouldn't either. This isn't to say that CM is not scum, just that I don't like the way you twisted the reasoning behind her vote for DK and made it look scummy.

I'd say that CM and DonJosh are probably the scum on there. Possibly TheFool and Thor too.

Off the wagon I'd say the scum is probably whisper, and possibly a Sky/Fitz.

I've never seen a more redundant statement. You just named all 3 people off the wagon. Who else could it be, lol?

Will post more reads as soon as I can. I'm also wary of making one giant wall post

whispersilk · Post Post #587 (isolation #45) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:27 am

DonJosh - neutral (leaning scum)

My read on DJ is still neutral, but with a scum lean. Sometimes I think he might be scum, then he'll make a post that somewhat mirrors my own thoughts or reads, and I'll lean town. For that reason, I'm keeping him neutral (leaning scum) in my mind until he does or says something scummy, or starts exhibiting more towny behaviour.

I liked his reads in this post, especially his read on TheFool, Ray and Sky (because I had the same thoughts):

TheFool : Scum
Nothing but fluff and scummy wagon-hopping.

CMPunk: Scum
See above

DK : Town
His reactions are pro-town.

Thor : Town
It may be WIFOM, but I don't think scum would be so outgoing and enthusiastic. He is, however, tunneling Ray.

Ray : Null
You, sir, are rather hard to read

Sky : Null
Some posts are town, some are scum-ish

Everyone else is null.

I don't think much of redundant and obvious statements such as this:

So Ray flipped town... where does this put Thor?

Uhm, yeah, I noticed that Ray flipped town, but thanks for pointing out the obvious for those folks that might have missed the epic lynch post. /thumbs up

(kinda seems you were trying to feign surprise, imo)

and this:

There are scum on this wagon. No doubt about it.

There

has

to have been at least 2 scum on it from your perspective. I don't see the point in pointing out something that is so obvious.

Also, I don't like behaviour:

1) You went the entire day voting TheFool (with good reason).
2) Then briefly hopped to CMPunk (giving no reason whatsoever).
3) Then 19 hours later you suddenly, and without reason, jump on the Ray wagon, AGAIN giving no reason of your own for the vote, you just quoted a huge post of Thor's regarding Ray and voted for him, like that somehow excuses you from giving a reason of your own. Then believing you had taken Ray to L-1, you seemed pretty eager for DK to hammer him, imo.

Should DK hammer or should we wait until he responds to his prod?

OBVIOUSLY someone at L-1 is not hammered until they have had a chance to defend one last time and/or claim. Even if they are AWOL from the game.

whispersilk · Post Post #589 (isolation #46) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:36 am

BBmolla wrote:I explained this about three times already. I thought DK was a newbie, and that is what explained his behavior. Once I noticed his 2000 posts or whatever I realized his play was really funky and it completely changed my view on him.

My post had absolutely nothing to do with DK, or your suspicions of him. Those were all quotes of yours where you are talking about Ray, and how you believed he was town,

despite

all the votes on him, and

despite

how much other people found him suspicious. You thought Ray was town, and then out of nowhere, you voted for him after ISO'ing him.

BBmolla wrote:Okay, pretty sure Ray is scum. His entire defense is discrediting Thor's legit defense instead of trying to prove it wrong in any way.

Discrediting someone is a valid defence, especially when that someone's attack is wishy washy at best, and downright scummy at worst.

Surely there must have been someone else on your scum radar to vote for, instead of jumping on the wagon of someone, who up until then, you had stated you believed to be town? That is my point, and it has nothing to do with DK.

And in regards to CM, you can hate that post all you want, but it's how I read it. Also, if you'll read my post of reads, CM was scummiest on my list, so that post of hers only reinforced my read.

lol, thanks for pointing this out:

your scummiest read on day 1

. So then, why didn't you vote for

her

instead of jumping on the wagon of "towny Ray"?

whispersilk · Post Post #594 (isolation #47) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:00 am

TheFool wrote:Oh hey, goodposting from whispersilk! One question:

whispersilk wrote:There has to have been at least 2 scum on it from your perspective.

Do you have a different perspective?

Yes, in total there were 4 people off the wagon. Me, Sky, havingfitz and The Tick. We now know The Tick was town, and I know I'm town, so that leaves at most 2 possible scum off the wagon. So I know there was at least 3 scum on the wagon, possibly more, depending on Sky and havingfitz.

From DonJosh's perspective, me, Sky and havingfitz are all potential scum, meaning there is at minimum, 2 scum on the wagon from his perspective.

But for me, I know for a fact that there are at least 3 scum on there.

Make sense?

whispersilk · Post Post #595 (isolation #48) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:13 am

Sky wrote:It's true, I have been minimal at best lately but that's for two reasons:
A) CMPunk hasn't responded
B) School has started up again

The thing that irks me about whispers is she's calling me out for being wishy washy. If you think I'm scum, vote me dammit and put your money where your mouth is. Otherwise you're the one being wishy washy.

Sure, I'm tunneling CMPunk, but until she responds I will do nothing to change my vote.

I wasn't criticising your lack of posts. I commented on the complete lack of substance to the posts you do have, and the fact I don't like the way you are tunnelling and voting for CMPunk without giving good reason.

As for me being wishy washy: I've placed one serious vote the entire game, on someone I called out for being scummy, and gave

actual

reasons for my vote. I don't see that as wishy washy. I'm in the process of giving my reads on everyone. So far, it's only been 3 people because I'm busy with rl.

Don't worry tho, I'll vote my most suspicious player once I've finished ISO'ing everyone

whispersilk · Post Post #596 (isolation #49) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:23 am

BBmolla wrote:My mistake.
Ray seemed misunderstood town at first, and then his anti town behavior became scummy. His arguements with Thor started to make him look scummy, I even pointed it out.

ha! I didn't know if you thought I was stupid, or if you got completely confused as to who you were talking about in those quotes.

BBmolla wrote:I disagree. Saying why an arguement is wrong is a legit defense. Thor said "Ray you've done no scumhunting. Would you like to quote some of the scumhunting and rub my face in it for laughs?" Ray said "I have no interest in doing such thing." That's not a good defense. At all.

My problem with the Ray fiasco, is that Thor, and everyone else became so tunnelled on him, specifically for his lack of scumhunting, but they completely ignored the other players who were guilty of exactly that same thing,

and

other scummy behaviour too. Sure, Ray could have done more to defend himself better, but tbh, from my POV, he was doing an OK job already, and it's the reason I didn't vote for him.

BBmolla wrote:It was Day 2.

I thought you were saying she was your scummiest read on day 1. Thanks for clearing that up, and for replying so quickly. I like the way you've defended yourself.

whispersilk · Post Post #599 (isolation #50) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:56 am

I responded to Sky right here http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p3355612

Is there something I missed?

whispersilk · Post Post #601 (isolation #51) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:37 am

DeityKabuto - town

whispersilk · Post Post #602 (isolation #52) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:42 am

Thor665 wrote:No, I missed the reply. What's your eta on iso finish? I'd rather see a vote than the isos, personally.

If you want another mislynch look elsewhere. I vote only to apply pressure, or when I'm very confident I'm right.

Also, I hope my ISO's might help or give other townies something to think about, and perhaps make them reconsider their votes. The fact you're in a rush to lynch another player so quickly makes me suspicious. I'm more interested in reading, discussing, and putting two and two together than pushing a wagon to another mislynch.

whispersilk · Post Post #604 (isolation #53) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:53 am

I'm not an alt.

whispersilk · Post Post #606 (isolation #54) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:57 am

Well, I'm older than you, and I'm female. That automatically makes me better than you at everything.

whispersilk · Post Post #611 (isolation #55) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:07 am

DeityKabuto wrote:
whispersilk wrote:Well, I'm older than you, and I'm female. That automatically makes me better than you at everything.

jjajajajajajajajajja

what do you think about CM being lynched today?

At this point, I'd rather see TheFool or Sky receive some pressure. My current read on CM is neutral. But I'm getting there. There doesn't seem to be many other people posting atm, so I'm just trying to get all my reads done in between rl stuff and sleeping.

whispersilk · Post Post #613 (isolation #56) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:10 am

Thor665 wrote:Let me put it another way - the entire writeup you just did on DK could have been summed up as; he's a little too willing to follow people than I am comfortable with, but I've seen him play like this as town. Currently I'm leaning town.

Then is someone called you on it you could write up the uber case.
Until then you could have probably already read up on someone else in the time it took you to write that DK iso.
Maybe I am in a rush. Maybe you're too slow. The truth probably lies in the middle, but don't dismiss me because I'm impatient to see actual movement in the game. That does not inherently make my reads inferior.

I'm thorough. Deal with it.

I'm not dismissing you, but I'm certainly not going to rush my thoughts just because you want a faster game. Have a look around, there are so many players not posting atm, does it really make a difference if my reads take another few hours?

whispersilk · Post Post #615 (isolation #57) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:18 am

TheFool.

whispersilk · Post Post #616 (isolation #58) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:18 am

Or Sky.

whispersilk · Post Post #617 (isolation #59) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:19 am

ha!

Sky.

whispersilk · Post Post #619 (isolation #60) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:23 am

VOTE: Sky

Sky, I'd like to hear your reasoning behind your tunnelling of CMPunk.

whispersilk · Post Post #621 (isolation #61) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:34 am

You say that, but from my POV, he is suspicious, and I can't believe all 5 scum were on that wagon, and out of Sky and havingfitz, I'm going to go with the one I already think is scummy.

whispersilk · Post Post #623 (isolation #62) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:36 am

And Ray was heavily suspected; look where that got us.

whispersilk · Post Post #626 (isolation #63) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:49 am

Then why do you think all those people voted for him?

whispersilk · Post Post #627 (isolation #64) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:49 am

Everyone needs to take a close look at Sky.

whispersilk · Post Post #632 (isolation #65) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:18 pm

You're at L-2.

whispersilk · Post Post #638 (isolation #66) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:13 am

Sky wrote:This was to be expected so I'll answer it now:

So why aren't you scumhunting?

Firstly, I like to think I am. I have not reposted my suspicions today, but my other top suspects are TheFool and Deity. I unvoted Deity, giving him some pardon for his meta. But I can't let a whole game go by based on this. Just because he plays town a certain way doesn't excuse him from playing scum the same way. Maybe he has only one play style. To agree with the don josh, he gets scummier in every post. Especially that recent thing about the odds of lynching scum today. It seems like he just goes with the popular opinion too much. Hell, as of now I think I'd add whispers to this list, but not as much as the two above. Sure, London's burning and I'm sorry to hear that. But the fact remains you have been on the fence for about half of day 1, and once again for day 2. You throw some accusations at me, but don't follow through until asked to do so. To me, it seems like you were trying to get the approval of a few others before actually voting. I don't buy your whole re read nonsense to find a better iso. You made your intentions clear and didn't follow through, not once, but twice.

How have I been fence sitting? Apart from my random vote at the beginning of the game, my only vote on day 1 was for my scummiest read (TheFool). As for today, I've already stated quite clearly that I only vote to apply pressure, or when I'm fairly confident I've found scum. If you don't like my timing, then that's just tough. I've yet to finish ISO'ing everyone, but I'll tell you now, you're my top scum read, and that's why I voted for you. Thanks for reacting.

Also, what exactly do you mean by this?

Sky wrote:I don't buy your whole re read nonsense to find a better iso.

Do you have something against ISO'ing players posts to get a better grasp on their posting and voting habits?

Also, going back to this post of yours:

Sky wrote:It's true, I have been minimal at best lately but that's for two reasons:
A) CMPunk hasn't responded
B) School has started up again

then reading this part of your post above...

Sky wrote:This was to be expected so I'll answer it now:

So why aren't you scumhunting?

Firstly, I like to think I am.

This is a bit of a contradiction don't you think? How can you claim to be scumhunting while admitting to minimal participation in the game? Hmmm.

Also, why would a lack of response from CM

stop

you from other scumhunting, or at the very least actually posting in the game? You do realise there are 5 scum to find, right?

Also, which of your question(s) were you waiting for CM to respond to exactly?

Oh wait, I just found this post of yours:

Sky wrote:Whoah that bandwagon flamed. But seriously CMPunk, nothing to say on why you are being voted?

You made this post long after other people had jumped on the wagon you started. This is the only question you have asked of her. Where is all the scum hunting on your prime scum suspect?

Sky wrote:Sure, I'm tunneling CMPunk, but until she responds I will do nothing to change my vote.

Again, what is she supposed to be responding to from you? Oh wait, did you mean the questions other people have asked of her?

Sky wrote:For the record, my vote shall still stay on CMPunk, she has shown up and asked what she is supposed to answer. Ok, I never demmanded question but if she was proactive about living today she would at least try to defend herself. I can spell some out for her though:
Why did you vote for Montano?
Why the flip flopiness of yesterday?
Why are there little reasons for your votes?
Why is Thor town?
Why have you done nothing to defend yourself?

Indeed, you haven't asked any questions of CM at all until now, despite tunnelling her and voting for her. Also, I've never seen a set of more useless questions. 3 of those answers can be found simply by reading her posts in ISO. I don't see any flopiness on her part, and as she already stated, she's absent most weekends, and was sick. Hmmm.

To go back to my ISO of you, and a post soon after it:

Whispersilk wrote:He's voted for her 3 times without giving a clear reason of his own for doing so (there was some talk of her initial vote on DK, but it appears fluffy to me), but is quick to agree with other peoples reasons for voting her after the wagon picked up speed, while still not providing his own reasons. Would like to hear why he thinks CMPunk is scum. In his own words of course.

Whispersilk wrote:...complete lack of substance to the posts you do have, and the fact I don't like the way you are tunnelling and voting for CMPunk without giving good reason.

You

still

haven't given any decent reasons for originally voting and tunnelling CM, or responded to those points in my post. Why is you're happy to play a game of 20 questions with DK in this post, but you're avoiding answering my questions of you?

Also, why haven't you yet posted a full set of reads for every player? All I can find is a post containing a few thoughts on just three of the players in the game...

whispersilk · Post Post #668 (isolation #67) » Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:47 am

Do I get an email for that prod?

whispersilk · Post Post #669 (isolation #68) » Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:49 am

Email?

Gawd, I've had way too much to drink this weekend. I meant private message.

whispersilk · Post Post #682 (isolation #69) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:12 am

This is a hard post to write, and to a degree, I've been avoiding it, but my vote on Sky is going nowhere, which btw, screams scum to me, but anyway, seeing as there are 4 other scum out there, I'm forced to address other suspects.

I almost certain blindfaeth is scum, and I really wish I could shake off this gut feeling, but I can't. I really don't want him to be scum

and it pains me to say this, but I'm also equally as certain that Thor is town. There is a slight doubt, in that Thor could be blindfaethes scum buddy, but for now, I think Thor is town.

Blind, I've played one game with you, and we were both town power roles. I took a great deal of notice of how you played as town, and there is something very, very different about your style in this game. You might appear to be town to some people, but I think you're lacking the confidence and relaxed attitude you had in our newbie game, and it's been replaced by a quiet desperation in some of your posts, especially when you're trying to defend yourself. You're trying to hard to come off as town, but it's not working. You are flip flopping, vote hopping, and trying to build cases against Thor for the silliest reasons. I know you are a great deal smarter than that, and this is why I'm going unvote Sky, and vote for you. There is still some hope that I'm really very, very wrong, because I <3 playing with you, but I can't ignore the nagging feeling that you are scum. Please convince me otherwise.

Thor, I think you tunnelled Ray because you believed he was scum, and I can see why you thought he was scum. You were wrong, but I don't see that as reason to vote you. Town make mistakes all the time. I agree with CM that DK was wrong to vote for you based upon this, and I'm alarmed by the size of the wagon against you, when clearly all you've done the entire game is scum hunt and initiate conversation. The fact you were wrong about Ray is not reason to find you scummy, imo.

I have to go with my gut here, because my gut very rarely lets me down. I will still do an ISO on both of you guys, and on havingfitz. I just wanted to get this out
there.

UNVOTE: Sky
VOTE: blindfaeth

whispersilk · Post Post #726 (isolation #70) » Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:38 am

blindfaeth wrote:@whisper - one of your top scum reads thefool is on my wagon now what do you think about that btw?

I think maybe you're on opposing scum teams.

whispersilk · Post Post #727 (isolation #71) » Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:41 am

Hey Fool, do you not think Thor is scum?

whispersilk · Post Post #751 (isolation #72) » Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:53 am

No, we are not having a no lynch. It gets us nowhere.

whispersilk · Post Post #773 (isolation #73) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:55 pm

Vote: thor

rip blind

whispersilk · Post Post #782 (isolation #74) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:30 am

I think if the seer has found a wolf, they should claim today. As our numbers decrease, the greater the risk they will be NK.

whispersilk · Post Post #784 (isolation #75) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:45 am

Thor, you are so scum, and fitz is probably bussing you as you both knew you were going to get lynched today.

Yep. Thor and fitz are scum buddies.

whispersilk · Post Post #788 (isolation #76) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:08 am

Thor665 wrote:@whispersilk - did my last post cause that particular barrage, or do you have evidence you'd like to present towards the obviousness of my scummitude?

Nope, just a feeling I have.

Much like Sky is scum too. I was right about TheFool.

whispersilk · Post Post #798 (isolation #77) » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:08 am

4 scum left are thor, fitz, sky and DJ.

I think.

whispersilk · Post Post #810 (isolation #78) » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:13 am

Come on scum, just hammer your buddy ffs. I haven't got all day.

whispersilk · Post Post #812 (isolation #79) » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:24 am

Curious that Sky isn't voting, huh?

I'm telling you, Sky is scum too.

whispersilk · Post Post #821 (isolation #80) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:26 am

LOL that's hilarious. Good catch fitz.

whispersilk · Post Post #822 (isolation #81) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:31 am

CM, your vote on BB is absolutely useless. Can you please put it where it's going to make a difference?

...hint...

Spoiler:

whispersilk · Post Post #824 (isolation #82) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:49 am

You ask me what the case is on DJ,

"because you don't see it at all"

, yet you tell someone else that you want to hunt scum by

"lynching either DK or DJ"

.

Why are you telling me you see no case on DJ, when in your next breath you say that you would be happy to lynch him. You do realise that the town CANNOT afford to have another mislynch. Why on earth would you be happy to lynch someone you don't see a case on at all?

whispersilk · Post Post #825 (isolation #83) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:50 am

Seriously, you are not going to worm your way out of that one.

whispersilk · Post Post #827 (isolation #84) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:18 am

I don't have a case. If I had a case, I'd have posted it. I just called the scum teams out based on who I think is town. Ergo everyone left is scum.

You're the one calling him town, yet wants to lynch him at the same time...

To prove what exactly?

Contradiction. CHECK.
Trying to worm your way out of your scum slip by making out there is some logic to your nonsense. CHECK.

whispersilk · Post Post #828 (isolation #85) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:20 am

3. Sky
4. DeityKabuto
5. BBmolla
6. CMPunk
7. havingfitz
8. whispersilk
9. DonJosh
12. Thor665

Come on Thor. 4 scum left/4 town left.

I want you to tell me who is the scum and why.

whispersilk · Post Post #830 (isolation #86) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:28 am

Seriously, someone needs to hammer him right now. The fact there is someone not voting at all, and two other useless votes SCREAMS SCUM.

whispersilk · Post Post #833 (isolation #87) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:52 am

In post 831, Thor665 wrote:@havingfitz and whisper;

"If we're hunting mafia I'd like to lynch either DK or DonJosh."

"My case on DK is PoE.
CM is a less optimal lynch because the three person set he was in had a scum flip from it. The other has not yet and is down to a two person set - you really think there is no scum there? I would wager hefty money on it right now, and I think DK looks worse than Don Josh because I've tagged town tells from the latter and not so much the former."

There is not a contradiction there. You're squinting and twisting your heads and saying there is one there, but there isn't.

@whisper;
I would rank it thusly

3. Sky - possible scum, leaning town.
4. DeityKabuto - likely scum, highly likely mafia
5. BBmolla - unlikely mafia, reasonably likely wolf not likely scum if CM is scum
6. CMPunk - unlikely mafia, reasonably likely wolf not likely scum if BB is scum
7. havingfitz - likely scum, strong mafia suspect
8. whispersilk - possible scum, unlikely fitz partner.
9. DonJosh - likely town, immensely strong chance of scum if DK is town

What's your ranking?

@whisper's hammer request - derp, even if I am scum I only have one buddy so...you're derping the heck out of that tell.

LOL, you just called everyone scum, except for Sky, who is "possible scum", and Don Josh; THE ONE YOU WANT TO LYNCH ALONG WITH DK.

Man, grow some balls that equal your beard and give some real reads, not just possible this/likely that.

You are failing right now, badly.

I've already stated my four scum suspects, remember? Why are you asking me again? Stop trying to divert attention away from the fact that your reads suck, your theories suck and your contradiction doesn't exist, because they do, and it does.

whispersilk · Post Post #834 (isolation #88) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:00 am

Thor665 wrote:Actually, hell, you're functionally calling at least three people off the wagon obvious town while you're sitting on it...derp, derp the tell, huh? That actually shows that there is a *higher* chance of scum ON the Thor wagon as off it. Yeah, party on, push this sucker through - and then lynch the hell out of the wagon.

WHAT? Where am I calling 3 people off the wagon town?

I've clearly stated that I think scum are you, fitz, sky and DJ.

Thor665 (4/5) - havingfitz, whispersilk, BBmolla, DeityKabuto
DeityKabuto (1/5) - Thor665
CMPunk (1/5) - DonJosh
BBmolla (1/5) - CMPunk

NOT VOTING (1/8): Sky

Off your wagon are YOU, SKY and DON JOSH. I'm calling 3 people off your wagon SCUM, NOT TOWN. Stop twisting what I say to suit your motives.

whispersilk · Post Post #839 (isolation #89) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:51 am

Your reads and your tells suck, Thor, because you've tunnelled and championed two town deaths, and managed to drag town onto their wagons with your convincing "scum hunting". I'm done believing anything you have to say, and if all the people off your wagon are town, then why the hell are they not thinking like me and voting for your obv scum ass.

Maybe one of my scum reads are wrong, maybe DJ is town and CM is scum; maybe fitz is scum, but not your buddy; maybe one of the other scum team are already on your wagon, and your buddy doesn't want to hammer. I think there is one scum from the other scum team on your wagon, and the other is off, and I think your scum buddy is off.

whispersilk · Post Post #840 (isolation #90) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:51 am

CM, why do you think BB is scum/wolf?

whispersilk · Post Post #844 (isolation #91) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:13 am

I want to know why CM thinks thor is town too.

And yeah, I'm convinced Skyscum exists.

whispersilk · Post Post #847 (isolation #92) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:24 am

Just because you don't think scum would tunnel twice, and because you don't think there is scum motivation to what he did?

I'm sorry, but there is hella motivation to do what he did, because it ended in two town being lynched, and scum want everyone but themselves dead, and he piled on the WIFOM to try and get out of it.

whispersilk · Post Post #852 (isolation #93) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:22 am

"Thor665, holey moley. I watched you pull out everything single card up your sleeve. You did amazing in a hopeless case. You were bound to die, but you almost didn't. You really did a good job. If you would have made it though, I don't think I could've sen you living through LyLo." robo

I've played one game with thor. A newbie game. I subbed in really late in the game and found myself at L-1. Thor had subbed in much much earlier than me, and he started a wagon on a VT and pushed it all the way to the VT self hammering. All the townies got on that wagon, so did thor's scum buddy. He tried to do the same again with another townie, but it failed after his buddy made a slip, and then thor was forced to bus him to a lynch.

Basically, when I subbed in, it was either me or thor getting lynched, and although he remained calm and collected all the way through several pages of back and forth voting, at the end, he was lynched. That quote is from the game mod.

Just saying, I see a whole lotta similarities in this game.

whispersilk · Post Post #854 (isolation #94) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:46 am

Thought I put it in there http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3150779

That is when thor shows up.

whispersilk · Post Post #866 (isolation #95) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:26 am

whispersilk · Post Post #871 (isolation #96) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:44 am

Don Josh is a weird one. He seems to be in quite a few games, but doesn't actually participate in many of them.

whispersilk · Post Post #873 (isolation #97) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:04 am

Like you are doing so now?

whispersilk · Post Post #876 (isolation #98) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:31 am

I don't think you're one to preach about scumhunting, Thor.

whispersilk · Post Post #884 (isolation #99) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:40 am

In post 882, Thor665 wrote:PoE = process of elimination.

As regards CM specifically - he voted to hammer a town immediately adjacent to a now proven Mafia. On average scum tend to naturally distance themselves in voting, at least a touch, from their buddies. Therefore, due to his presence next to Fool it is fairly unlikely that CM is Mafia. Now, he may be scum, but if he's scum he's a wolf, and in the general sense of today, due to lack of being mafia, he would not be a good lynch today since he's overall less likely scum than someone else.

Make sense?

And, he *might* be scum buddying me. But, if so, his reverse is pretty weird as it functionally throws out all the "gains" he would have made from buddying me. Therefore, again, in general he's less likely scum.

Later whisper will tell you my inability to go "he's obv. town" makes me scummy (nothing but love whisper - but mocking post game will happen if you're town. If you're scum I grok the play)

I strongly think a fitz or DK lynch should happen today. I'd settle for Josh, but I don't think that's as likely to serve us.

The problem with you Thor, is exactly what I pointed out when I highlighted the newbie game we were in together. You were scum, yet you came off as town right up until the lynch scene. You didn't freak out when you were at L-1. You kept up the whole "well guys, you should do this tomorrow and blah blah blah", pretending the entire time that the game wasn't about to be over when you were eventually lynched. I don't buy the helpful, calm, logical town routine you're trying to pull now. You're desperately, but clamly trying to avoid being lynched, and I don't think it's because you are town, but because you are scum.

Hey, if I'm wrong, then you're welcome to mock me all you want afterwards. But it's not only the fact you've led two townies to their death, it's also your attitude right now that grates me. If I was about to be lynched today, I'd be kicking and screaming and doing everything in my power to stop it. But hey, that's just me.

whispersilk · Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:44 am

You know what? This game is so fucking boring, I'm willing to lynch anyone right now just to get some action going.

whispersilk · Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:54 am

@CM As opposed to another 10 days of waiting around for someone to hammer thor? Yeah, I'm totally up for that.

whispersilk · Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:54 am

I'm up for lynching BB, DJ or DK.

whispersilk · Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:08 pm

8 left
4 scum
4 town

If town don't lynch wolf/scum today, we're buggered. I don't know who to trust any more. Half this group is out to kill the other half. If the seer has found a wolf, then I'm begging him/her to claim so that I have one person who I can trust and that I can work with to pin point scum. This game is doing my head in.

whispersilk · Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:13 pm

In post 899, DeityKabuto wrote:
In post 898, whispersilk wrote:I'm up for lynching BB, DJ or DK.

jaja why is my name on your list?

For all we know, you could be scum, scum can't form opinions!

I am so town it's unreal. And I'm really fucking bored. I don't know what it is about this game, but it's become a major headache, which is a shame, because I'm pretty decent at spotting scum, but no matter how many times I read this thread and everyone in ISO, I can make heads or tails of it.

I just finished up Paris Mafia 3. I was the vig, and I killed both mimes and one of the scum in two nights, and the last scum I caught, lynched, and town won. If there was a vig in this setup, and I was it, I would put a bullet in Sky's head right now.

whispersilk · Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:29 pm

It doesn't stress me out. I love Mafia, and I love playing town, but this game just sucks, and I dunno why.

I blame Thor and his beard.

whispersilk · Post Post #911 (isolation #106) » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:48 am

UNVOTE: Thor
VOTE: DonJosh

Will post my reasoning behind this vote a little later tonight. It's supper time in England.

whispersilk · Post Post #919 (isolation #107) » Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:09 pm

cuz you're scum

whispersilk · Post Post #943 (isolation #108) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:10 am

In post 937, DeityKabuto wrote:
In post 936, BBmolla wrote:Well. Thor's wagon seems to have dissolved. Which is extremely depressing.
A NL would screw town over, so I'll unvote for now and decide which of these other wagons I support.

UNVOTE:

Feel free to speak up and summarize your case on the person you're voting.

This is a Pro-town act.

EVERYBODY Bbmola is confirmed Pro-town.

our only confirmed, at least. I nominate Bbmola for the hammer.

Shows how much you know. BB is scum too.

Will try to catch up today. I know I owe a DJ case.

whispersilk · Post Post #979 (isolation #109) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:17 am

Hey Thor, why aren't you voting for DJ?

whispersilk · Post Post #980 (isolation #110) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:31 am

In post 874, Thor665 wrote:
In post 864, CMPunk wrote:I've changed my mind... notice of intent to hammer Thor when I get back home

::shrug:: claim town I guess?

Definitely a scum heavy wagon on me.
Fitz is a top suspect for reasons stated.
Whisper is highly unlikely partner to fitz, so if he flips scum she's highly likely town in just a general sense.

One of DK/DonJosh is almost definitely scum - they need to be lynched.

BB needs more attention too - his presence on wagons and pushes over the last few days in general is suspect.
CM is probably not mafia - he might be a wolf angling for town points in the defense of me, but I personally kinda doubt it.

Catch you all flip side where, mostly, I'll mock fitz

This is your chance to see wut's up.

whispersilk · Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:08 am

Warning: WALL POST

These were my original thoughts on DJ - none of which he responded to:

Spoiler:

In post 587, whispersilk wrote:
DonJosh - neutral (leaning scum)

My read on DJ is still neutral, but with a scum lean. Sometimes I think he might be scum, then he'll make a post that somewhat mirrors my own thoughts or reads, and I'll lean town. For that reason, I'm keeping him neutral (leaning scum) in my mind until he does or says something scummy, or starts exhibiting more towny behaviour.

I liked his reads in this post, especially his read on TheFool, Ray and Sky (because I had the same thoughts):

TheFool : Scum
Nothing but fluff and scummy wagon-hopping.

CMPunk: Scum
See above

DK : Town
His reactions are pro-town.

Thor : Town
It may be WIFOM, but I don't think scum would be so outgoing and enthusiastic. He is, however, tunneling Ray.

Ray : Null
You, sir, are rather hard to read

Sky : Null
Some posts are town, some are scum-ish

Everyone else is null.

I don't think much of redundant and obvious statements such as this:

So Ray flipped town... where does this put Thor?

Uhm, yeah, I noticed that Ray flipped town, but thanks for pointing out the obvious for those folks that might have missed the epic lynch post. /thumbs up

(kinda seems you were trying to feign surprise, imo)

and this:

There are scum on this wagon. No doubt about it.

There
has
to have been at least 2 scum on it from your perspective. I don't see the point in pointing out something that is so obvious.

Also, I don't like behaviour:

1) You went the entire day voting TheFool (with good reason).
2) Then briefly hopped to CMPunk (giving no reason whatsoever).
3) Then 19 hours later you suddenly, and without reason, jump on the Ray wagon, AGAIN giving no reason of your own for the vote, you just quoted a huge post of Thor's regarding Ray and voted for him, like that somehow excuses you from giving a reason of your own. Then believing you had taken Ray to L-1, you seemed pretty eager for DK to hammer him, imo.

Should DK hammer or should we wait until he responds to his prod?

OBVIOUSLY someone at L-1 is not hammered until they have had a chance to defend one last time and/or claim. Even if they are AWOL from the game.

Stay with me here folks...

DJ's reads:

In post 281, DonJosh wrote:Done reading. Quick Reads...

TheFool : Scum
Nothing but fluff and scummy wagon-hopping.

CMPunk: Scum
See above

DK : Town
His reactions are pro-town.

Thor : Town
It may be WIFOM, but I don't think scum would be so outgoing and enthusiastic. He is, however, tunneling Ray.

Ray : Null
You, sir, are rather hard to read

Sky : Null
Some posts are town, some are scum-ish

Everyone else is null.

UNVOTE: DK
VOTE: TheFool

DJ@Thor (talking about Thor's wagon on Ray):

In post 285, DonJosh wrote:As much as I agree with you now, my vote stays on TheFool.

FoS: RayM
HoS: CMPunk

Notice how he now jumps from one of his two scum reads, right to the other scum read:

In post 448, DonJosh wrote:I was reading Thor's ISO, and I agree with pretty much all his points. However, looking at the wagon
(Ray's wagon again)
, all my scum reads are on it.

UNVOTE: TheFool
VOTE: CMPunk

Let's take a look at Ray's wagon at the time:

Ray Montano (5/7) -

Thor665

,

The Tick, DeityKabuto, TheFool, FightingShadow, DeityKabuto

,

TheFool, CMPunk

, BBmolla, blindfaeth

His only scum reads were on Ray's wagon, along with one of his two town reads. Sounds like he wants to sheep Thor, but is worried because both his only two scum suspects are on that wagon. Fair enough.

But then a few posts later, and after a bunch more people have jumped on Ray's wagon, he quotes this post of Thor's and changes his vote:

In post 467, DonJosh wrote:
Thor665 wrote:
The Tick wrote:Still, for just a couple seconds, pretend you're the teacher and I'm the student. Teach me why we should whack this guy.

I've said it a few times before and have apparently hit a brick wall with most of the players, but let me try yet another rendition - I'm an optimistic guy;

1. Ray is playing in a way that has no scumhunting - he's keeping reads close to his chest and not putting out any difficulties to prevent him from voting any way he pleases.

This is scummy because it let's him go "always suspected 'Player X' whenever he feels like it and helps him avoid being caught in any sort of contradiction of reads.

2. When approached by a player he believes is town, who is tunneling him, he does nothing to help the player un-tunnel and instead mocks his case and ability to form reads.

This is scummy because if you believe someone is town you don't want them tunneled, and certainly not on you. Also, if you think someone is town you should at least try to get them to talk out their reads and explain your issues with them to educate them - after all, you may be counting on them for your wincon later. Having a player beaten down to the point no one will listen to them is only helpful if that player is not on your side.

3. Refuses to back up statements he made by producing quotes.

This is...well...more annoying than scummy. But if I say something to someone, and they call me on it, I LOVE to produce the evidence to prove I'm right. It ends the debate, makes me feel like a real man and be a stallion in bed with women, and also advances the game onwards. Inability to do this suggests you're, well, just making stuff up and hoping no one will call you on it. Also known as lying. Lying is not pro-town.

4. The only reads Ray has offered have been three scum reads on three lurkers (for the crime of lurking) and one town read on me that he then shifted to a null.

This is scummy because these are wimpy easy reads that scum love (scum on lurkers for lurking) and he called me town while I was attacking him, and then shifted me to null when I kept attacking him, which to my mind suggests I was correct when I said his town read on me was an attempt to buy me off and get me to leave him alone. He shifted it to null right when lots of other players started voting me in, my opinion, a pretty clear setup to allow him to vote me if I became wagon of choice after he'd been calling me town.

Does that help?
Or is water not wet if you ignore the moistness?

UNVOTE: CMPunk
VOTE: Ray Montano

Should DK hammer or should we wait until he responds to his prod?

So eager to hammer and the next day so sincere...

In post 490, DonJosh wrote:So Ray flipped town... where does this put Thor?
Personally, it doesn't change my town read.

In post 494, DonJosh wrote:
Shadowmod wrote:
Ray Montano
(7/7) -
Thor665
,
The Tick
,
DeityKabuto
,
TheFool
,
FightingShadow
,
DeityKabuto
,
TheFool
,
CMPunk
,
BBmolla
,
blindfaeth
,
DonJosh
,
blindfaeth
,
DeityKabuto

There are scum on this wagon. No doubt about it.
I'd put my money on TheFool and CMPunk

No shit, his only two scum reads were on it, which remember, was the reason he gave for not following Thor, but wtf, he ended up jumping on anyway.

Day 2, and he is back to voting for CMPunk.

In post 523, DonJosh wrote:
CMPunk wrote:
DeityKabuto wrote:
Thor665 wrote:I'm being run up for the scumtell of being "wrong" aren't I?

D1, I asked you if Ray flipped town, would you blame yourself, and you replied 'Yes, I would take the blame'.

Way before that I suspected you, and as a scum it's normal for you to admit taking the blame to appear Townie and confident with your read on Ray.

vote: DeityKabuto

Seems scum would go out of their way to pin this on Thor. Yes, he said he would take the blame if Ray flipped town but that does not make Thor scum IMO. It just made him wrong, like 6 other people were including me (Yes it took 7 to lynch, not just Thor)

Being wrong is NOT scum IMO

Pushing what seems to be a policy lynch on someone who was wrong, simply because they were wrong is Scummy.

Thor had no reason to stick his head out and say if I am wrong I take responsibilty, that is pretty big burden for someone to take, and putting themselves way out in the open, which scum/wolves want to avoid.

Thor is town

This post + My reads from yesterday = VOTE: CMPunk

He even states his two top scum reads again in this post:

In post 530, DonJosh wrote:
Also, I'd literally put my money on a CMPunk/TheFool scumteam.
IIRC, there are 2 werewolves and 3 mafia?

and this one too:

In post 531, DonJosh wrote:
TheFool wrote:
Eh. While it is more likely that there are scum on the wagon than off, that is only because the wagon is the bigger group. This doesn't in itself increase the odds of any given person on the wagon of being scum; statistically that's a 50% chance for each person either way.

If you think their reasons for being on the wagon are suspect that's one thing, but approaching the problem mathematically is the wrong way to go.

BADBADBADBADBAD
I'd say CMPunk today, this guy tomorrow.

oh wait...he says it here too:

In post 573, DonJosh wrote:
TheFool wrote:
Thor665 wrote:1. Despite misgivings he's still more town looking than you or CM - sorry, deal with it.
2. Not scum in the last three votes of a Day 1 wagon on town with 5 scum available? Really? Where the heck were the scum then, 2-3 in the first 4 votes and then 2-3 in the three votes off the wagon? Derp-derp-herp, amirite?

Yeah, I get that, but it still seems like a jump from that to "blindfaeth is dramatically scummier than CMPunk because he was next to townier people on the wagon".

Also, I'm not sure how it's so derp-derp-herp to assume that the votes were scattered non-uniformly.

And yeah, the signiture thing is pretty pointless.

This guy goes up a notch on my scum list every post...

zomg, would you believe it?...

In post 581, DonJosh wrote:
I will be V/LA until the 28th due to camp. I will accept replacement at the mod's discretion.

As for my thoughts, I stand by my previous statement: CMPunk today, TheFool tomorrow.

But wait, just 3 posts later he says this:

In post 583, DonJosh wrote:
In my other game, the mod found a temporary replacement for me. Maybe you could do that, Shadow? Just until I get back.

As for faeth, he's been real scummy the last few pages, and since kondi never posted, it's really all we have. Lynching faeth would be fine, too.

Yes folks, for the second time he agrees with Thor and declares blind scummy, despite never having given him a scum read before then. However, he leaves his vote on CM and disappears for a week.

Let's take a look at that blind wagon at the time:

blindfaeth (2/6) -

Thor665

,

TheFool

Look familiar? Are we seeing a pattern yet here guys?

By the time DJ returns and before he catches up, blind is lynched. I voted for him, so did TheFool, Sky, BB and CM. havingfitz did not.

Then he disappears again, and a week later says this:

In post 780, DonJosh wrote:TheFool was scum? Wow, who would have guessed. /sarcasm

Can we PLEASE lynch CM today? I still don't think Thor is scum.

and this:

In post 781, DonJosh wrote:I forgot my vote...

VOTE: CMPunk

I've had similar reads with TheFool and CMPunk since the start. I would bet money that CMPunk is Mafia.

Also, how about the seer? Does anyone else think they should claim? If not today, definitely tomorrow.

To sum up:

DJ has only had two scum reads throughout the entire game - TheFool and CMPunk
He has never built or presented a case for either of them despite voting for both of them throughout the game...
oh wait, that's unless he's sheeping Thor and switching to the Ray wagon; the wagon he said he didn't like because it had his only two scum reads on it...
and supporting the blind wagon that yet again featured his only two scum suspects.
He's only ever had two scum reads despite there being 5 scum in this game.
He is AWOL constantly, and when he is here, he offers nothing except to sheep other peoples scum reads and post useless shit.
He is yet to defend himself despite being at L-1.

whispersilk · Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:18 pm

So Thor, you don't think DJ is scummy, even after reading my case?

whispersilk · Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:58 am

DK, if she is town, you die tomorrow.

You're an idiot.

whispersilk · Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:45 am

I'm calling you an idiot for not letting her claim first. Why did you hammer like that?

whispersilk · Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:39 am

I agree, the game was very well modded. Thanks Shadow. I can really appreciate the regular votecounts and prods now, as a lot of games I'm currently in seem to lack in that dept. The flavour was great, and I'd like to play this setup again with a group of players that are a little more active. It was very frustrating at times when there were multiple people on VLA, flaking out, or simply not participating enough. It felt stagnant towards the end.

Well done Thor and DK, although Thor clearly did 99% of the work.