Open 319: Jungle Republic - Day 5: Calamity *GAME OVER*

[DonJosh]

I'm all for a DK policy lynch.
VOTE: DeityKabuto

[DonJosh]

1. I've finished 2 games, been in and hosted countless marathons and flaked from 4 games (:oops:) I'm currently playing a Large Theme and I've inned for two Open games. DK was in two of the games I flaked from, but I've seen him play in other games.
2. I'd say no claim, or else the other Werewolf would surely NK them.

[DonJosh]

^ DK is vote-hopping like hell

[DonJosh]

Claim, DK.

[DonJosh]

Vote count is messed up

[DonJosh]

bothers me a lot. I know I said I would be willing to hammer. I am, if the trolling continues - however, it feels like people are trying to blur the line between a policy lynch and an actual suspicion lynch. Anyone trying to force this lynch through quickly (barring escalation in DK's trolling) is very suspicious.

It is no longer a "policy lynch" for me.
This might be his town play (I'm not big on meta), but it sure as hell is scummy.

[DonJosh]

Responding to prod, will post after supper

[DonJosh]

Its done now. I also had to help my dad set up a drum kit. Catching up now...

[DonJosh]

Done reading. Quick Reads...

TheFool : Scum
Nothing but fluff and scummy wagon-hopping.

CMPunk: Scum
See above

DK : Town
His reactions are pro-town.

Thor : Town
It may be WIFOM, but I don't think scum would be so outgoing and enthusiastic. He is, however, tunneling Ray.

Ray : Null
You, sir, are rather hard to read

Sky : Null
Some posts are town, some are scum-ish

Everyone else is null.

UNVOTE: DK
VOTE: TheFool

[DonJosh]

Point taken.
Also, i lul'd

[DonJosh]

As much as I agree with you now, my vote stays on TheFool.

FoS: RayM
HoS: CMPunk

[DonJosh]

HoS = Hand of Suspicion
Its a higher degree of FoS

[DonJosh]

@RayM and FS:
What are your guys thoughts on TheFool? Cuz my reads on CMPunk and TheFool are very similar.

[DonJosh]

@RayM and FS:
What are your guys thoughts on TheFool? Cuz my reads on CMPunk and TheFool are very similar.

Uh. Really?

Answer the question

[DonJosh]

you must be joking. Not only have I replaced in long after it is allowed to post in the QT, but I quoted the post I was actually referring to.

Thor was talking to Ray, ftr.
Also, I realllllly don't like this post. At all.

[DonJosh]

FTR: DJ I answered first.

lolwut

[DonJosh]

Yeah, and I butted in because it's regarding me.... so what? (:

Aah ok my bad. Misunderstanding.

[DonJosh]

FTR: DJ I answered first.

lolwut

And look right above blind's post...I answered Thor's issues before blind.

Yeah, and I butted in because it's regarding me.... so what? (:

Aah ok my bad. Misunderstanding.

[DonJosh]

[quote="TheFool"
DonJosh - iffy. Wants to policy lynch DK, but isn't much for meta? Something feels off about his play, can't put my finger on it.

[/quote]
I meant I don't like using meta to build a case or read.

[DonJosh]

[quote=]"TheFool"
DonJosh - iffy. Wants to policy lynch DK, but isn't much for meta? Something feels off about his play, can't put my finger on it.

[/quote]
I meant I don't like using meta to build a case or read.

Damn quotes

[DonJosh]

DonJosh - iffy. Wants to policy lynch DK, but isn't much for meta? Something feels off about his play, can't put my finger on it.

I meant I don't like using meta to build a case or read.

GODDAMMIT

You could also ask me to fix broken tags for you.

- Shadow -

[DonJosh]

I meant I don't like using meta to build a case or read.

Isn't meta the only basis for a policy lynch?

Do you have previous experience with DK?

No he doesn't.

Well, I've played games with thousands of people ITT-wide, and I do not recall any interactions with this guy. '-'

I've played half a game with DK (I replaced out)
IIRC, you are correct, there were no interactions with me directly. But I still dislike your playstyle.
Besides,
1. The policy lynch was during RVS
2. This.

[DonJosh]

I was reading Thor's ISO, and I agree with pretty much all his points. However, looking at the wagon, all my scum reads are on it.

UNVOTE: TheFool
VOTE: CMPunk

[DonJosh]

I can't improve by turning my attention span to ______ and doing less off ______.

Fill in the blanks.

Please explain. It may just be me, but this makes absolutely no sense.

[DonJosh]

Still, for just a couple seconds, pretend you're the teacher and I'm the student. Teach me why we should whack this guy.

I've said it a few times before and have apparently hit a brick wall with most of the players, but let me try yet another rendition - I'm an optimistic guy;

1. Ray is playing in a way that has no scumhunting - he's keeping reads close to his chest and not putting out any difficulties to prevent him from voting any way he pleases.

This is scummy because it let's him go "always suspected 'Player X' whenever he feels like it and helps him avoid being caught in any sort of contradiction of reads.

2. When approached by a player he believes is town, who is tunneling him, he does nothing to help the player un-tunnel and instead mocks his case and ability to form reads.

This is scummy because if you believe someone is town you don't want them tunneled, and certainly not on you. Also, if you think someone is town you should at least try to get them to talk out their reads and explain your issues with them to educate them - after all, you may be counting on them for your wincon later. Having a player beaten down to the point no one will listen to them is only helpful if that player is not on your side.

3. Refuses to back up statements he made by producing quotes.

This is...well...more annoying than scummy. But if I say something to someone, and they call me on it, I LOVE to produce the evidence to prove I'm right. It ends the debate, makes me feel like a real man and be a stallion in bed with women, and also advances the game onwards. Inability to do this suggests you're, well, just making stuff up and hoping no one will call you on it. Also known as lying. Lying is not pro-town.

4. The only reads Ray has offered have been three scum reads on three lurkers (for the crime of lurking) and one town read on me that he then shifted to a null.

This is scummy because these are wimpy easy reads that scum love (scum on lurkers for lurking) and he called me town while I was attacking him, and then shifted me to null when I kept attacking him, which to my mind suggests I was correct when I said his town read on me was an attempt to buy me off and get me to leave him alone. He shifted it to null right when lots of other players started voting me in, my opinion, a pretty clear setup to allow him to vote me if I became wagon of choice after he'd been calling me town.

Does that help?
Or is water not wet if you ignore the moistness?

UNVOTE: CMPunk
VOTE: Ray Montano

Should DK hammer or should we wait until he responds to his prod?

[DonJosh]

My bad. I had forgotten faeth's unvote.

[DonJosh]

So Ray flipped town... where does this put Thor?
Personally, it doesn't change my town read.

[DonJosh]

IDK I have to dwell on why Tick was killed I find it beneficial sometimes to try and figure out the reasoning behind it. With no protective roles in the game, you'd think someone that everyone believed to be super townie would be offed.

The werewolves are WIFOMing the hell out of us 0_0

[DonJosh]

Ray Montano (7/7) - Thor665 , The Tick , DeityKabuto , TheFool , FightingShadow , DeityKabuto , TheFool , CMPunk , BBmolla , blindfaeth , DonJosh , blindfaeth , DeityKabuto

There are scum on this wagon. No doubt about it.
I'd put my money on TheFool and CMPunk

[DonJosh]

The Votecount missed Sky's vote on CMPunk

Thank you. Fixed.

- Shadow -

[DonJosh]

I'm being run up for the scumtell of being "wrong" aren't I?

D1, I asked you if Ray flipped town, would you blame yourself, and you replied 'Yes, I would take the blame'.

Way before that I suspected you, and as a scum it's normal for you to admit taking the blame to appear Townie and confident with your read on Ray.

vote: DeityKabuto

Seems scum would go out of their way to pin this on Thor. Yes, he said he would take the blame if Ray flipped town but that does not make Thor scum IMO. It just made him wrong, like 6 other people were including me (Yes it took 7 to lynch, not just Thor)

Being wrong is NOT scum IMO

Pushing what seems to be a policy lynch on someone who was wrong, simply because they were wrong is Scummy.

Thor had no reason to stick his head out and say if I am wrong I take responsibilty, that is pretty big burden for someone to take, and putting themselves way out in the open, which scum/wolves want to avoid.

Thor is town

This post + My reads from yesterday = VOTE: CMPunk

[DonJosh]

I can see where Thor is going with blindfaeth, another ML.

I am not. D1, we sheeped Thor and ended up with a mislynch, I will not sheep Thor again on blindfaeth.

DK...WTF? The quote above is not Thor's...its yours. Why are you having a conversation with yourself?

i lul'd

Also, I'd literally put my money on a CMPunk/TheFool scumteam.
IIRC, there are 2 werewolves and 3 mafia?

[DonJosh]

Eh. While it is more likely that there are scum on the wagon than off, that is only because the wagon is the bigger group. This doesn't in itself increase the odds of any given person on the wagon of being scum; statistically that's a 50% chance for each person either way.

If you think their reasons for being on the wagon are suspect that's one thing, but approaching the problem mathematically is the wrong way to go.

BADBADBADBADBAD
I'd say CMPunk today, this guy tomorrow.

[DonJosh]

Well what else could it mean? Scumtell in my experience means it's a sure thing. So are you saying him saying that "you're better than this" therefore accusing you of being scum is correct?

ITT, we learn that blindfaeth doesn't understand the term "scumtell".

[DonJosh]

BADBADBADBADBAD

Huh?

Think. There was a wagon on a Townie day 1. Why the hell

wouldn't

scum be on the wagon?

[DonJosh]

1. Despite misgivings he's still more town looking than you or CM - sorry, deal with it.
2. Not scum in the last three votes of a Day 1 wagon on town with 5 scum available? Really? Where the heck were the scum then, 2-3 in the first 4 votes and then 2-3 in the three votes off the wagon? Derp-derp-herp, amirite?

Yeah, I get that, but it still seems like a jump from that to "blindfaeth is dramatically scummier than CMPunk because he was next to townier people on the wagon".

Also, I'm not sure how it's so derp-derp-herp to assume that the votes were scattered non-uniformly.

And yeah, the signiture thing is pretty pointless.

This guy goes up a notch on my scum list every post...

[DonJosh]

I will be V/LA until the 28th due to camp. I will accept replacement at the mod's discretion.

As for my thoughts, I stand by my previous statement: CMPunk today, TheFool tomorrow.

[DonJosh]

In my other game, the mod found a temporary replacement for me. Maybe you could do that, Shadow? Just until I get back.

As for faeth, he's been real scummy the last few pages, and since kondi never posted, it's really all we have. Lynching faeth would be fine, too.

[DonJosh]

I'm back just before the deadline. Not sure if I should re-read now or wait until night?

[DonJosh]

TheFool was scum? Wow, who would have guessed. /sarcasm

Can we PLEASE lynch CM today? I still don't think Thor is scum.

[DonJosh]

I forgot my vote...

VOTE: CMPunk

I've had similar reads with TheFool and CMPunk since the start. I would bet money that CMPunk is Mafia.

Also, how about the seer? Does anyone else think they should claim? If not today, definitely tomorrow.

[DonJosh]

@Seer: If you have found a werewolf, claim now.

[DonJosh]

Why are there no votes on CM? This puzzles me.

[DonJosh]

Im here, but on my ipod. V/LA til tomorrow or friday

[DonJosh]

@DonJosh: Do you think Thor is town? How do you feel about him thinking you are town but wanting to lynch you?

I do think Thor is town with two honest mislynches on his record.
He's explained the contradiction. He has a town read, but if DK is town, his PoE makes me scum. I don't see what the big deal is.

[DonJosh]

@DonJosh: Do you think Thor is town? How do you feel about him thinking you are town but wanting to lynch you?

I do think Thor is town with two honest mislynches on his record.
He's explained the contradiction. He has a town read, but if DK is town, his PoE makes me scum. I don't see what the big deal is.

If Thor is scum, you just went out of your way to shield him.

That gives me three theories.

1. You are a confused town who is going by basic facts to decide whether Thor is town or not, seemingly as Thor pushed hard on the ML wagon D1, that is reason enough, no need to let his text and defense persuade you even further.
2. You are a scum who is trying to get your partner off the hook.
3. You are a scum who thinks by defending your partner, it will look like a normal towns people post, where every man has his/her own opinion, and it would be more of a bus / distance sort of thing but a more calm, straightforward thing to get your partner off the hook.
4. You are a town member answering a question honestly. You also want to avoid a third mislynch.

FTFY

[DonJosh]

Exactly what part needs explaining? It's pretty damn clear.

[DonJosh]

I said I was going to hammer to see reactions, no one seemed to react. I was hoping someone would be over eager for a hammer. Tried a gambit, it failed.

Sorry

Why is CMPunk not dead?!?
*cries in a corner*

[DonJosh]

I have two votes on me without explanation. Explain nao pl0x.

[DonJosh]

Explain nao pl0x.

[DonJosh]

Godammit DK, you got me. You're right. Now I'm totally humiliated. That was my plan word for word. Good job.

[DonJosh]

Bbmola what do you gain from putting some1 like whisper who finds you scummy on your Town list. You gained whispers trust, that is.

Does anyone else find this post EXTREMELY scummy? Or is it just me?

[DonJosh]

Way to steal my sig, DK

@CM - you're missing a scum.

Cuz it's her.

BINGO.

[DonJosh]

Thor, your vote isn't doing any good on havingfitz.

[DonJosh]

-.-
Yes thor, thats exactly what I meant.

[DonJosh]

I'm here, but V/LA until Monday. This is the last tim eI'll have internet, and I'm on my phone.

[DonJosh]

I am the last Vanilla Townie D:

Seer REALLY needs to claim now if they've found someone.

[DonJosh]

This set-up's wincons are confusing...

Could the mod please confirm if we are in LyLo or MyLo?

[DonJosh]

What do you mean by "Town Lost"?

[DonJosh]

Yes, quite. But we haven't "lost" yet.

[DonJosh]

Also, you're referring to the town as if you're not part of it. Does this mean you are scum?

[DonJosh]

So... there's pretty much nothing we can do :/

[DonJosh]

This needs fixing.

[DonJosh]

We need your partner to claim, DK.

[DonJosh]

I'm VT (err... well BB was) and I have no idea who to vote...

DonJosh claims he is the other town and I'm not sure if that's true or not...

But Thor is holding off on saying anything. I don't want to be rash, but he was THE scummiest player throughout the whole game and is still alive. Plus he sounds worried.
Can someone help me here? Could the other mafia claim to give us a better lynching chance? Thank you.

One question for the mod...

@mod would you tell us if the seer is still alive please?

Wolf.

[DonJosh]

It's either Thor or havingfitz.

Also, your vote makes no sense. First of all, I quite clearly claimed VANILLA Townie, second of all, this post and this post don't make any sense together.

[DonJosh]

So sageamagoo and Sky are the wolves. Hm.

My Townbuddy should get in here now (AHEM havingfitz)

[DonJosh]

Thor is my partner & I would lynch Sky for werewolf.

I'm more comfortable with a sageamagoo lynch, since she's conf wolf from my POV. (She CC'd me)

[DonJosh]

Thor is my partner & I would lynch Sky for werewolf.

I'm more comfortable with a sageamagoo lynch, since she's conf wolf from my POV. (She CC'd me)

You speak as if you're cleared, which you're not.

You and sagea are riding the same boat, equally scummy.

I'm aware I'm not cleared, that's why I said "from my POV"
Anyhoo...
VOTE: sageamagoo

[DonJosh]

I'd rather lynch sky, and lynch b/w you and sag tomorrow for the win.

Vote Sky

I guess that makes more sense.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sky

[DonJosh]

UNVOTE:

[DonJosh]

It's either Thor or havingfitz.

HTF*#& did DJ know the seer wasn't Sky? Nice scumslip.

I asked for the seer to claim. Sky posted, but didn't claim, so I thought she was mafia, until DK outed himself and Thor. I now know that she is the seer (confirmed from my POV)

In fact, here's my POV right now, 100% confirmed

VT - DonJosh
Seer - Sky
Mafia - Thor665, DeityKabuto
Werewolves - sageamagoo, havingfitz

VOTE: havingfitz

He's more experienced, therefore more dangerous.

[DonJosh]

EBWOP: I acknowledge that Sky is male. My apologies.

[DonJosh]

Also, DJ claimed in his first post to get the idea into your heads to make me look more suspicious. PLEASE DON'T SUSPECT ME!!!

That doesn't make any sense. You had never even posted. It wouldn't make sense for me to claim with the intent of making you look scummy if no one else had claimed, nor had you ever posted.

[DonJosh]

Thor had posted as well and not claimed seer. What makes him different from sky in this respect?

Not different at all. I had marked Thor down as scum at that point. You, my friend, are desperately grasping at straws here.

[DonJosh]

This is frustrating to watch when you know everyone's role :/

[DonJosh]

sageamagoo is completely contradicting herself. She says claiming first is a "wolf-tell" (lol), but then says the only reason she didn't claim first is cuz she couldn't get to a computer.

[DonJosh]

Also #6... She's using quotes from a confirmed mafia and her scumbuddy to prove that I'm scum? lolwut?

[DonJosh]

Whether done on purpose or not, claiming first makes the other suspect look scummier. You're particularly scummy because you were the VERY FIRST POST!!! Thus you were probably waiting for the first moment when you could post so you would look less like a wolf.

My quotes show who was under suspicion at the time, regardless of who said them. It DK wasn't the only one, this was just the first quote I could find.

I still don't see how posting first is scummy!!!!!!!! Oh wait... ITS NOT.

[DonJosh]

Thor had posted as well and not claimed seer. What makes him different from sky in this respect?

Not different at all. I had marked Thor down as scum at that point. You, my friend, are desperately grasping at straws here.

If you had him marked as mafia (prior to his claiming), then why did you say the seer was either he or I? You are full of sh;t. You scumslipped and you know it.

SO WHAT? I was talking POSSIBILITIES, not likeliness. You were the only two that hadn't posted.

[DonJosh]

Ok, DJ:

You posted an entire 8 minutes after the end of night. A little close, don'cha think?
DK was the next person, and that was an hour later.

So. Fkin. WHAT.

[DonJosh]

DonJosh

(4/5) -

whispersilk

,

DeityKabuto

,

BBmolla

,

CMPunk

Yup.

[DonJosh]

@everyone: DJ is getting upset. The worry has struck him. He knows he will be lynched soon. He knows he will pay the price of being a werewolf. His freaking out is yet another reason he is a wolf.

[DonJosh]

GOD this game is frustrating

[DonJosh]

I just posted it.

[DonJosh]

I just noticed. I whiffed on that....the only thing I can think is that I was so zoned in with my debate with Thor and was so worried about revealing my role that I missed that opportunity. If I had realized it I would have hammered provided it didn't come across too scummy given that I had not been outspoken towards DJ prior to that timeframe.

Preview edit...that doesn't confirm sh;t Sky. I have been hanging on to both games I am in by a thread the last few weeks lucky just to avoid prods/replacement. Like I said...I was locked in on Thor.

What about DJ's slip regarding the seer being me or Thor? But not you? Overlooking that definitely benefits you and him.

ITS NOT A SLIP. I asked for Seer to claim, and Sky posted but didn't claim, so I overlooked the possibility.

[DonJosh]

Btw, just making sure I've got my facts straight... if havingfitz flips wolf (which he will), sageamagoo is his confirmed partner, right?

[DonJosh]

@DJ - no, if fitz flips wolf it doesn't prove jack about you and sage. If he flips wolf the actual seer will prove quite a bit about you though.

He claims he got a guilty on me, and he's been counterclaimed by Sky.

Although I now realize from your guys POV his guilty claim on me could be a scum-plan.

[DonJosh]

Are we ready for a hammer?

Also, on a side note, I will be V/LA form the 4th to the 18th. I will have internet access, but I am on vacation and I'm not gonna waste all my time on a computer. Will still be on from time to time, though.

[DonJosh]

Sorry, guys, there's just not much to say at this point in my situation.

[DonJosh]

I just found something...

Read from this post (L-1 votecount) to this post (Hammer). Havingfitz has a wall post and a bunch of ISO.

Too much "RL" havingfitz? BULLSHIT. You had enough time for a wall, you could've hammered

[DonJosh]

My god, DK stop flip-flopping!

[DonJosh]

If he stops flip-flopping at this stage it's a bad thing in your universe, yeah DJ?

True.

[DonJosh]

On that note however...if I was a wolf...WTH wouldn't I have hammered DJ?

Um... because quickhammers are extremely scummy? Weak defense.

Yeah...and he almost immediately unvotes and a page or two later he winds up on me. Despite not even considering Sky as a seer. The only reason he has to vote me is because I call him out ass a wolf. Which supports my case for being legit. If I was going to fakeclaim and push the case on Sky I could have said DJ was town and probably garnered his vote on Sky.

Sky and DJ are wolf buddies.

1. Obviously I'm voting you cuz you say I'm wolf. I know for a fact that you're lying.
2. Choosing me is obv-WIFOM

[DonJosh]

Wow sage -.-
The flavour was AMAZING, Shadow! I really loved it. You took the time to format every votecount, every announcement, and the graphics were great. Loved the amount of mod effort. It made the game experience so much better.

GG, everyone. And good job, Thor and DK!

[DonJosh]

If sageamagoo (pretty obvious final wolf unless DJ was playing *very* dumb) is an idiot than she might kill Sky, in which case we win - huzzah! (doubt this)

lol