Open 324 - Ninja Mafia (End. No Drama, please!)

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VOTE: Hiraki Link Likes SEGA, yet is LINK.. idk if I can trust this guy

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Ocarina of time is one of the worse zelda games, FACT! Play LINK TO THE PAST, see yourself in sexy 8bit

Nolynching today wouldn't be a bad idea, but eh...

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VOTE: hiplop

OOT is the greatest Nintendo game of all time. You should be ashamed.

Hello again, kcda. How've you been?

lolololololololol

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Who are you?
Lukes Father
Why do you play mafia?
Shits n giggs
Why are you not scum?
CSL wants me to die =[ damn koopa king
What will you be known for this game?
Watching you all, with the EYE OF THE TIGER

KC is interesting; I think he has something going on, but I do agree with LINK and Matt. He does seems be making baseless claims, null tell overall though

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Missed page 3 ~_~

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Getting MAD town reads pouring out of Project matt. Do NOT want.

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so you think everyone is town besides you and cobbler? cool

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so you think everyone is town besides you and cobbler? cool

okay it took me 3 times to read this to notice how wrong this is.



EH???????????

meant to say

"so you think everyone is scum besides you and cobbler? cool"


As for project matt, I just don't see any scum motives for what hes doing, hes defending himself in a professional matter.

I'd support Rays death, Kay.

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-Made a joke out of the RQS rather than answering them (following Kcda's example ofc)
-Tells us he missed a page, and then doesn't tell us what he thinks about said page
-comes in and says he has MEGA UBER SUPER TOWN READS on the person everyone else says looks scummiest.
-these reads consist of

Um, yeah? What the fuck are you supposed to learn from those question alignment related?
I disappeared due to internet. I'm sorry. I believe I was actually posting my reply when we cut it out :\ Odd coincidence but true
You'd rather me be a sheep? Cool story bro.
Yeah? your case is based off of very little; and he essentially destroyed your reasoning, what else did I need?

hiplop still has his vote on Link from RVS, hasn't done anything that could be considered remotely close to scumhunting, and has indicated that he wants Ray dead but... derpity derp, no vote. #75 is ugh.

my bad linky
UNVOTE: Scumhunting is an interesting concept, what makes you believe I haven't been? I am merely looking for things you may not be.

Your thoughts on your wagon? Do you believe scum is currently on your wagon?

From that point: eh I couldn't tell ya. 3RVs and Maruchan are hard to classify. Muffin could be, he just sheeped away, and it was pretty obvious too. If anything; he'd be my top bet for scum from that wagon

BTW Kay is town, and its pretty obvious too.

This was a totally irrational thing to say at that moment. I'm aware he mispoke, which is why I fixed his quote, however, his post still comes off as defensive and avoiding of the simple question at hand. What town reads did Matt give off?

lmao, his entire list of reads were all null-scum with 2 townies, how else am I supposed to react? Its how I talk bro.

The way this is worded bugs me. "I'd support a Ray lynch." Fine. But the above? Just kind of strange. Kind of implies he'd be fine with Ray dead regardless of lynch or kill.

Yeah, I would. I don't see how this is scummy, NICE BANDWAGGONNING THO

This post is like "Well KC is townish but kinda not townish and kinda scummy so I think he's null." ...What.

Yeah, thats exactly what it meant. Shows towniness, and shows scumminess. They cancel eachother out and it becomes null

Essentially BBmolla is trying to look townie, but ultimately failing. Nice try tho

Cobbler is an interesting spot, I'd be willing to say hes scum right now if questioned: NOTE IM ONLY ON Post 24

I do believe Maruchan is town; hes just incredibly far off from being correct.

Mist is indeed town, EMP is town.

note to self catch up in this game.

PLZ DONT HAMMER ME

I now revoke my UBER TOWN READ on project matt. His recent posts suck ass.

The case on me is based off of POSTING FLUFF. I was here for like 4 days; and I've been gone for like 5. The case on me is incredibly easy-lynch.

VOTE: BBmola FAKE

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LOL MOLLA BE TRYING TO PAINT ME SCUM

Hiplop: who's kay?

guess

Spoiler: hint

its you

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using emails is overrated. I USE MY MIND

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When other people defend someone, I dismiss any argument they said. when I attack someone, I want them to defend themselves, with logic and arguments THEY came up with.

Thanks for the irrelevant sentence, helped alot bro. You're makin g up a case if you're townie; which is not how town should play. When did I come up with ANY argument for him? I said I have a town read on him and you asked why, I answered "hes defended himself well". Theres no logic or atrgument coming from me son.

Wait a second. I thought your internet was out which is why you haven't been posting lately? How can you try to imply that yo uwere scumhunting, while saying you couldn't read the thread?

wat? There was nothing about my departure in that post....

Its not my fault you all had almost no distinguishing tells about yourselves, and those that did were slightly scummy. Thats your guys' fault for appearing scummy.

Maybe you need to look at your play. If you honestly think everyone but 2 are scum: you're not doing it right.

Because if he were to die by kill he would be townie, and therefore, we don't want him dead. if you were to care less if he were kileld or lynched, you just want him gone, that means you don't care if he is town, you still want to lynch him. Being OK with a town lynch, is extremely scummy.

Fair enough. I was thinknig that far into it. I just think hes scum, thats all I meant. Sorry for not being uptight

No, its just that majority of the town thinks I am town, so if you were to call me scum, you'd get some serious attention on that. You felt it safer to call me town, because you have no chance of being able to defend calling me scum.

Nah, I think you're a VI, who is a part of the village. aka town. I think my play is apparent that i dont give a fuck what the common thought is.

So why do you now agree totally that Kcda is so town? What changed from him showing scummieness.

10 pages changes things y_y

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pretty obviously you, maruchan

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hilop -

So, you got MAD TOWN READS on me because I was, and I quote "defending myself". And now these reads are gone because my latest posts are "bad". This lack of substance makes it difficult to address you as town. Where the hell are you getting any of your reads from? In post #299 your reads don't look any more deep. BBmolla is scum because she is "trying too hard". Mist and empking you address as town for absolutely no reason. At all. I have trouble with players who elaborate on reads and provide no specific reasoning for them at all.

I am pretty certain that DonJosh\Mist are town. Will elaborate later.

Enthusiastic person. The case on me dwindles down to my personality. Theres no way I can defend that.

Mist is pretty obviously town... she has good intentions, i THINK.

I made my case on BB pretty clear. Interesting strawmanning moves there, though.

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Hiplop looks loopy to me.

I see WHY to lynch him but i can't bring myself to lynch him. There's but townie things i've seen from his last 3 posts.

explain more?

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Because you aren't the king of the world. So please stop acting like it

true, position is filled already. Sorry kcdaspot.

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hiplop plz don't fluff. you're still under the microscope.

To all Yes yes i notice is scuminess.

It just isn't lynch now scummyness.

Not going to lie; I don't really care about this microscope. There's no way to defend myself because there is no case on me.

ProjectMatt town read on girl who has nicknames: what things that shes posted read as town to you? Pretty much all shes done is make nicknames for everyone, and thats not town or scum behavior...

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she still needs to post again thoo.

okay that was REAL scummy from hiplop.

i just gotta say.

why is that

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She has 2 content posts; and its not like the content is screaming town...

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I dont think shes scum, but i find PM's attitude towards her odd

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what game are YOU playing?

Tomei is town. NEED TO POST MOAR TOWN. but town.

and idgaf how PM treats her.

never said she wasnt.

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hiplop, you just said you don't think tomie is scum, WHY? You didn't say she towntold. You said "all she's done this game is make nicknames". So you read her as town now? Where did this read come from? It feels like you are just saying it so you don't look bad. In fact, that's more then likely the case.

why would I think shes scum? I said in that post "theres nothing really townie/scummy about it". So why the fuck would I say shes scum?

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Ray Montano is a smart guy, listen to him.

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Perhaps, he should be voting BBmolla. Fair enough

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Cobbler is scum, but so is BBmolla. BBmolla has a wagon, so you might as well vote him

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I don't really like the idea of letting him fly under the radar though. Something needs to be said and I aim to say it. Just because a bandwagon is in motion, doesn't mean it can't be stopped and it certainly doesn't mean that it shouldn't be. If everyone on the wagon can't be swayed, I'm willing to settle for BBmolla, as he's my #2 right now, but it just makes no sense to not at least try to sway others in what you believe the correct direction is.

Its understandable. I have a stronger read on BB myself, but I like you wouldnt be opposed to a cobbler wagon, but atm im in a good spot

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527 is one scummy ass post.

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idc that you think I'm scum, if anyones name was in my spot; it would still be a scummy ass post

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oh and matt is on YOUR hiplop wagon.

WAY TO READ.

bus imo.

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So I'm not the only one that has been finding Maru scummy lately?

Cos he's been pretty terri-bad for the last seven pages

hes been teribad all game; just recently hes been scummy

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bus imo.

"I have an uber town read on matt."
"I have a null read on Matt."
"Maruchan is bussing Matt."

Well, as long as you are sure. Been busy lately, I'll be coming back probably later tonight with analysis though.

thanks for your wonderful analysis

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If you're playing as scum, its good to at least try to hide it...

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BBmolla is still more likely scum i think.

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glad we have the scumteam though

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glad we have the scumteam though

half*

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guys, look at maruchans one completed game

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Note: he flipped scum. Notice any similarities? Its pretty much a reflection of this game

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No offense to Kcda. I love how active he is, its awesome. I just hate his playstyle of "do this I told you to. DO this. DO THIS GODAMMIT. WHY ARENT YOU DOING THIS YET I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU TO DO THIS TEN MINUTES AGO?!?!?"

It really gets on my nerves to imply he knows everything

you're going to love fate

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What, where I get what I asked for and am lynched, and flip town, and you get under the microscope tomorrow for pushing so hard? Yes I will lvoe this fate. It is exactly what I want

Lol'd

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no. hiplop is the best lynch. And then tonight I will be looking into your case too. Molla me be a decent case, but nowhere near as good as hiplop, and you're defending him like crazy. this screams scum to me.

YOU THINK EVERYONE IS SCUM. THATS NOT SCUMHUNTING, ITS BEING AN IDIOT.

fate is a poster on the forum btw.

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everyone is scum except BBmolla, sorry.

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I said...GO LYNCH ME GO GO GO....

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VOTE: maruchan
Fuck it

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Don't be.

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KCDA has goodposting. I don't have a problem with sheeping him.

Maru's temper tantrum isn't a lynch-worthy scumtell. I don't know why hiplop got off the molla wagon. Scum points for hiplop!

I think its more of a : They're both scum, but i'd rather play with BBmolla type of thing

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why?

UNVOTE: VOTE: BBmolla Whatever.

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you havent said why im scum KC, you would have been able to find Honest Able in that last game had you actually explained yourself! If you ever notice that you can't explain why someone is scum, they probably arent etc.

Pretty much I want a case on me, so I can defend myself. Currently its based on my personality, which I cannot change ~

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hmm, I actually WOULD love to leave this for hiplops wagon but I CANNOT LET GO OF MOLLA SCUM.

He clearly thinks I'm scum. I want to know why.

Its simple, KillerJester.

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you havent said why im scum KC, you would have been able to find Honest Able in that last game had you actually explained yourself! If you ever notice that you can't explain why someone is scum, they probably arent etc.

Pretty much I want a case on me, so I can defend myself. Currently its based on my personality, which I cannot change ~

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Hiplop: no energy for it, and i'm kinda confused.

Dont care. I unfortunately think you're town, but I want you to actually do things. Currently you're fence sitting to the max with the exception of BBmolla. And even your case on him (iirc) is unoriginal. You havent done much all game, and yet you seem to think you're above others atm. Get your head in the game.. i doubt itll help much but still do it.

Zmuffinman, why are you voting me? Why do you think I'm scum? You say "hiplop is still scum on page 17, 18 etc" but you didnt say why. This seems like scummuffin to me.
I guess the same to Maru, can you in one post explain why? I know you are strong about this read, and I figure you'll be the ONLY one on my wagon to know why they're voting me.

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Yeah, Maruchan. I think you're being a little over-confident in your abilities, your reads are still EXACTLY the same as on page 12. There more info AFTER those reads than before, and by a far margin. Its not even that you've just not posted them, your play reflects the same way as it did back then. I think you've convinced yourself you know more than you actually do ~_~

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Yeah, Maruchan. I think you're being a little over-confident in your abilities, your reads are still EXACTLY the same as on page 12. There more info AFTER those reads than before, and by a far margin. Its not even that you've just not posted them, your play reflects the same way as it did back then. I think you've convinced yourself you know more than you actually do ~_~

shoo fly, don't buddy me.

lol why would I buddy you? look at my last post fool.

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yeah it's just a general agreement with me.

but longer

I feel the same way. Simple as that.

And I actually explained myself. If you're lazy, mafia isn't the game for you.

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thatd be silly, kcdaspot. The wagon is based off of me JOKING. Thats literally it. Its fucking ridiculous

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you still havent said anything, so it was pretty useless... only thing of real value was the ray montano thing, and i guess tomie. But overall it DIDNT NEED TO HAPPEN.

Killerjester could you make a wall that isnt just questioning lurkers? ie say everrythint you're thinking? i would like that :3

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its not, but id rather know what you're thinking. You're an active lurker, which could be considered worse.

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Spoiler: HIPLOP IS DA SCUM FER ME

Post #8, standard RVS here, nothing to worry about.

#15 some distracting talk about video games, pointless, but not important.

#24 shows he's here and actively reading the game, and that he is laughing. Thats all to say about the game?

#72 answers some RQS, showing he is paying at least enough attention to know RQS is happening. RQS answers are ridiculous as fuck, albeit following in the footsteps of Kcda, Thou Holiest Starter Of RQS. Short comment on what is actually happenign in the 50 posts since his last.

#73 tells us he didn't notice 25 of those posts, so we'll give him some leniency about his lack of response. Fails to comment on those pages he missed

#75 "Getting MAD town reads pouring out of Project matt. Do NOT want." I'm going to pretend he said the word lynch after the word want ,as it is the only viable finish to this sentence. So you're getting some mad ass townieness pouring out of a guy that nobody else can see, tell us you see it, and then... Don't tell us what it is?

#86 shows he at least skimmed enough of my highly analytic wall to see that a majority of my reads were null-leaning same way. ALSO shows us he didn't skim through my wall enough to see that the way they were all leaning is scum, rather than town.

#135, WOH he's back again after another 50 posts. his comment? "I meant scum not town" and then goes on to tell us his mad reads are "I just don't see any scum motives for what hes doing, hes defending himself in a professional matter" and then goes on to tell us he'd support someone else's death.... Without telling us why. Again. 1: This is your mad reads? seriously? Thats it? -.- 2: Nothing else to comment on for two pages worth of comment? nothing else at all?

#299 WOHHH 175 posts this time! First he defends against my original case on him. First priority is to defend himself, rather than help the game. Not very townie. Blames the disappearance on his internet.

But he posted in SIX of his other games during this magical no internet time

I'll let him slide on this one because these were all on the 16, so he could have conceivably lost internet for 2 days. But keep the blaming his lack of posts on the internet in the back of your mind. This'll come back up again in a minute. Takes his vote off of RVS, because someone mentioned it to him. When confronted about his lack of scumhunting. he ditches the "INTERNETS WERE OUT FER ME!" excuse and the NEW excuse is "Scumhunting is an interesting concept, what makes you believe I haven't been? I am merely looking for things you may not be." So first you blame your internet. Now you were just laying back and scumhunting. Which is it? Oh btw, this is also, defending himself rather than helping the game. Saying your scumhunting, and showing us your scumhunting, two different things. Calls another "pretty obvious" town read, this time on Kcda. Answers a question directed at him that was buried in these 7 pages, meaning he actively is reading and paying attention to said pages. Why no comment on what happened? Nextly, he again defends himself against an accusation thrown at him based on his reply to my list of reads. Goes on to say he doesn't care if this guy is a townie, he just wants him dead. (as I explained and he agrees that he wasn't paying attention to what he was saying later) Sheeps the two biggest scumspects of the two most prominent townies. Throws out some town reads (again) without explaining them (again). That UBER TOWN READ on matt (lolsauce) gets revoked. Attacks the case on him. This is his first substantial post all game. All it is is a "I'm still alive, -defend against all the people calling me scum- Oh and I am scumhunting don't worry! -fails to show proof of this- VOTE!". Lack of any actual helpful town content.

#303, friendly banter between him and Kcda. buddysummor

#315 useless fluff comment about debate ensuing between Link and Mod that is totally off-topic.

#328 refutes my post against him (still defense here, no preemtive town scumhunting from him still), replies to why his Kcda read has changed by saying "10 pages changes things". Doesn't tell us WHAT Kcda did that changed the read. Just that it did.

#330 reply to my perfectly legitimate request to have him type the name of who he is quoting (so that at times like RIGHT NOW when I go back and ISO him, it makes it easy to see who he was talking to)

#334 Says he made his case on BB pretty clear (where, I haven't seen a case yet?) when questioned about his post #299. Mist is obvTown for... "Having good intentions.. he THINKS", oh and defends summor, lacks some pro-town offense summor.

#347 Asks for reasoning on why someone has a town read on him. (<---------- OMG!!! HIPLOP NOW HAS 1 TOWN POINT. CURRENT SCORE: 1 town - 999999999 scum. YAY GO TOWN!!!!)

#347 tries to buddy with me by telling Kcda to stop acting like the king of the world

#411 OMG OMG OGM NO WAY!!! He asks Matt to explain the town-read on Tomie!!!!! TWO TOWNIE POINTS!!!! GO HIPLOP!!!! Again calls the case on him non-existant. No comments on the past 2 pages you were absent from? Nothing at all?

#413 asks Kcda how his last post was scummy, null tell. town or scum would ask how something is scummy.

#419 Attacks SOMEBODY ELSE for NOT HAVING CONTENT POSTS. what is this shit? HYPOCRISY MUCH?!!?

#420 Doesn't thing the lack of content is scum, but wants to know why she is town.

#422 Refutes Kcda by saying he never said Tomie WASNT town. No. He just asked a question that the tone insinuated he didn't think she was town.

#432 Refutes something Matt tossed at him. Again, defensive. no pro-town ofenseive still. Where is the scumhunting you mentioned earlier?

#411 Buddying to Ray.

#443 says someone else should be voting for molla. Because dictating what someone else should do is totally a townie play.

#476 Quotes someone that IDK who it is (ahem, again at my request for putting names in quote tags. This would be why), and makes some comment about it I am sure I would be able to decipher. If I knew who eh was talking to.

#528, calls #527 scummy (I assume its mine). No other comments on the other 50 posts before his. Opportunistic jump on the Maru train? Because for the rest of the game he thought I was just misguided town. now all the sudden I'm a scummy mofo.

#530 some hardly decipherable post about no matter who he was i'd still be scummy. how do these relate?

#536 Calls me mentioning having a past scum read on matt a bus.

#537 Says I have been terribad all game, just recently got scummy.

#540 useless fluff

#542 read above

#549 BBMolla is more likely scum than me apparently.

#557 uses my ONLY completed game that I happened to be scum in, as meta proof that I am scum. I mean lack of any town-meta reference I don't quite see how this met-case works. but oh well.

#562 makes some un-game-related comment about a player named Fate. Good to know. I'll be sure to never play with him then.

#565 useless comment letting us know he is laughing

#570 Says I think everyone is scum, and calls me an idiot. When I never said I think everyone is scum. so whatever.

#583 Purposefully plays CUT AND PASTE with a post I make to manipulate it into saying something I never said. its like those notes people make by cutting out letters of the newspaper. Saying you cut an A out of the game informer to write a note that says "I AM A TERRORIST AND I WILL BLOW UP THE WORLD" to insinuate that the gameinformer is a terrorist magazine bent on destroying the world.

#596 votes me and says "Fuck it" Fuck what exactly?

#599 "don't be" care to finish the thought?>

#612 both me and molla are scum, but he'd rather play with molla than me.

#615 unvotes me and votes molla (I THINK this is sheeping someone, but as I am ISO'ing him, I can't be sure. Lets say it is)

#618 Asks for a case on him to defend himself, which is what he has been doing all game. Still no scumhunting I see. Just defending against cases on him, and sheeping others.

#620 Quotes someone, again idk who.

#627 quotes himself and bolds part, without saying anything else

#631 Calls (someone i dont know due to un-named quote) town that is fencesittign with unoriginal cases. Asks muffinman why he is voting him. And asks me too.

#635 makes some comment about me being overconfident that he is scum. Yeah. because he is.

#639 says when he was buddying he wasnt buddying

#642 some un-important commetn about beign lazy meand you shouldnt paly mafia

#644 Calls the wagon based off of him joking. Uhm, let me Ctrl+F real fast. I thin kthis is the first time he has mentioned the word JOKING, ALL GAME. So 1. What was he joking about? 2. Why are we just now learning he was joking? 3. Why was he joking about whatever he was in the first place. CONFIRMED: Hit CTRL+F in his ISO, and this is the FIRST post he has said the word joking, or started a word with jok.

@Hiplop, I have still yet to see your scumhunting you mentioned doing. FIVE DAYS AGO.

wow. You were really looking for scummy things, My "6 other game posts" were announcing i wasnt going to be able to post. I knew what was happening because I read the game when I got back. Seriously, what the fuck man. The only meaningful part of your fucking post is assuming I LIED in ALL of my games so I could active lurk. IT DOESNT EVEN MAKE SENSE. Then you targetted me for typos, not labelling quotes and other useless things. THATS NOT SCUM BEHAVIOR YOU SMURFWIT

I've posted tons of content. Content =/= big filler wall of useless info. Theres no way you can deny that I've posted content, that would be fucking silly.

Calls the wagon based off of him joking. Uhm, let me Ctrl+F real fast. I thin kthis is the first time he has mentioned the word JOKING, ALL GAME. So 1. What was he joking about? 2. Why are we just now learning he was joking? 3. Why was he joking about whatever he was in the first place. CONFIRMED: Hit CTRL+F in his ISO, and this is the FIRST post he has said the word joking, or started a word with jok.[/spoi

Seriously, fucking look at this shit. HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS MEAN FUCKING ANYTHING? THIS IS NOT A FUCKING CASE.

Any time i post content in these he says either "quote wasnt labelled so idk" "some lame claim" "asked some questions" in an ATTEMPT to make me look scummy. Honestly, that pisses me off. I have been scummy at times, but you were just MAKING THINGS UP.

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Came up with his own Mist town-read
Agreed with my viewpoint on Kcda's case, which is only sheeping Kcda if you're stretching your case
Correctly points out that BBmolla is trying to paint Empking as scummier than he really is
Tries to keep focus on the leading wagons
Correctly calls out a lurker
Tries to keep focus on the leading wagons, again
Stresses the importance of having multiple bandwagons, a theory I agree with

His play is very pro-town. Empking just avoids unnecessary fluff because the main point of a post can often be lost in all the white noise. Almost every word out of the guy's mouth has been either an attempt to move the town into an environment conducive to catching scum, or sharing his clean, plain opinion on something so we can get a read on him.

stop white nighting.

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with a K

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wow. KCDA, you really might want to look into learning how to actually find scum. You clearly have NO IDEA how to explain yourself, nor find scum. You got lucky with BBmolla, but again ou didn't put up a case by yourself, you had to wait.

I was wrong on maruchan, honestly. I was just mad, sorry Maruchan. I still say your case sucks, and my most recent post was sincere. You are town, and

I would not mind all that much if I died, because a good town would learn info, but unfortunately the only one I have faith in is Empking, and thats sad (Maruchan still has a chance to smarten up...i think, but not enough faith to change anything.). I don't trust any of you guys to pick up the slack, so im going to go down fighting.

Please point to where I targeted you for typos.

And the giving you shit for not putting name in quotes had nothing to do with scummieness, it was me proving my point that you need to put names in quotes.

The scum thing, you used words like "barely skimmed". That does not send the right message, I actually read it in full, but I typo'd the one word. YOu are TRYING to make me look scum, and thats godawful town play, Ill talk to you more in endgame about this, though.

But you never even aknowledged those posts, you just said "quoted someone, no name not going to read". Again, you're making things up /ignoring facts.

Killerjester, can you please do something OTHER than suck up to KCDA, hes really not nearly as good as you seem to think he is.

Towns fate is pretty much reliant on the people who aren't posting, and it sucks ass (looking at you hikari, ray montano, tomie etc)

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you still never said WHY you think im scum. Thats all I want to know, not a post-by-post that doesnt say anything.

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um wat. I went after you on my own, I originally went after BBmolla, I go after Killerjester, KCDASPOT. Idk how you can justify lack of scumhutning on me, honestly.

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But if hiplop is town, one Maru or molla is going to be quickwagoned. end of story.

To maru: speculate on a molla-hiplop scumteam.

Cool that you're setting it up so that I get lynched tomorrow either way.

This is pretty much a lynch now, KCDA's sheep should follow him shortly.

yeah, it sucks. IDK why he has sheep either...

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Maru isnt scum in any universe.

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nah. Thinking you're town =/= bussing.

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buddying *

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nah, I've pretty much accepted my fate. Town is clueless.

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nah I'm town...

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THERE IS NO CASE ON ME BRAGH

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Why the fuck would any townie be motivated to respond in such a nonsensical, condescending manner? This is nothing more but an attempt to look superior when somebody points out your own scumtells.

??? Again, my personality.

Perhaps it's a pet peeve when people try to meta other players by comparing completed games, but where the hell did his suspicion on Molla even begin? If you look at his ISO, he is only jumping on the popular wagon, or suspecting the player who is starting to get suspected more.

My very first return post I attacked him, this was before I read any of the other attacks, I know you don't know that, but its true.

In place of actual content\an interest in scumhunting we get completely idiotic filler and exaggerations.

Rude. Yeah, I post fluff. Im here to have fun, not boost my ego.

Fuck what? This feels like a desperate attempt to jump on the popular wagon without looking bad.

Yeah, that was one popular bandwagon.. I WAS THE ONLY ONE VOTING HIM. WTF?

This further supports the fact that hiplop only jumps on the wagon that is popular.

No one else went for maru, my vote was useless on him, and I've made my case on BB...

I don't understand why any townie would want to appeal terribly like this.

Those are his most significantly scummy posts as of late. More content coming later. I'd like hiplop to respond to this semi-wall when he gets the chance, though.

There was NOTHING scummy in those posts... you essentially called me out for filler, and just ignored anything I did.

This game sucks

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THANK YOU.

Maruchan isn't even trying, hes only said im scummy, and thats all hes done all game. He doesnt even have a case ffs. He did a Post-by-post and couldnt nail anything on me.

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Killer, that was awesome. Can we lynch Maruchan with this newfound momentum?

Vote: Maruchan

lol go for it.

I honestly could give a fucking care less if you feal like lynching me for making a list when I thought I had been asked to make a list (different game I now realize, sorry), then fuckin go for it.

50x better than your case on me.

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VOTE: Maru

READ FLUCTUATING LIKE A BOSS, WILLING TO SAY SCUM

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Maru is either scum, or a jerk. Can't figure out which

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to be fair, Muffin is easy to spot as scum. I've learned that! He tries less, and theres a definite difference

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Hikari, you learn the same from a Maruchan lynch, and so you should lynch him instead

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Hikari, you learn the same from a Maruchan lynch, and so you should lynch him instead

But he doesn't call me Hikari, does he? And what happened to already accepting your fate? Was that a lie? This is a very important question to me.

<3 was making sure you still cared???

wasnt a lie, but I've changed my mind.

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I JUST WANNA LIVE etc etc

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So then it is true that at that point, you had given up all hope and were completely resigned to your fate and had no intention of making any further attempts to save yourself, but you have since decided that you don't want to die?

was being a drama queen.

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link vote maru and ill <3 you forever... or give you INSTA TOWN credit in every game >_>

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Junpei, if you agree with my case on PM, vote him?

Junpei, I agree with you that kcda's contribution to this game has been mostly to derail the game and that its a pain in the ass to sift through his/her? posts. I'd classify his/her behavior as "anti-town" but not necessarily as scum. I won't argue with you that most of her posts make sense (because they dont). I can understand how her actions could be explained by scum motives but the more I consider the tone of her posts the more I get the feeling she is rage-worthy town.

yeah honestly I'm the same way. I dont think hes town, but hes not an asset to the town...at all.

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y u want his details sh

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He's stalking me and wants a date.

GET BACK ON THE GAME SON.

can't blame him

hm i cant remember what I was ranting about this game..

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oh right maruchan is in this game, BURN HIM WITH FIRE

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And I'm the one who people don't like.....

Why did you claim VT.

Ihoenstly

don't remember this game.

Link me to the page where I did and I will re-read and tell you.

no wonder you're voting me

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without a case

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y u sick of me

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y u sick of me

you refuse to accept the existence of any case on you.

because there isnt. You did a post by post and couldnt find anything :\

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I have been scumhunting, I've found two already.

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BBmolla + Maruchan

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oh and cobbler actually. Scumteam found

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Yup

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Yup

What are they, what are you reasons for each of them?

Yup

What are they, what are you reasons for each of them?

BBmolla - the case on him is pretty obvious, and pretty much everyone has explained it: hes fake as fuck, and hes clearly just trying to look town. Look at my catchup post.
Marucha - Hes tunneling, without a case. Refuses to listen to anything, and literally, I've asked him to explain in short why I'm scum, and he can't. Also, and time he defends himself, its an awful AtE post. Not good at all. Add in his general snarkiness, and hes pretty obviously scum.
Cobbler - Honestly, I just agree with the cases others have made, hes been bandwagonning, and doesnt seem to have the towns intentions at heart. He could be town, but I just dont see it.

Junpei, hiplop is probably town. Take it from someone who has ML'd him twice in previous games. This is just the way he plays. He's stubborn and doesn't use logic and as the day goes on you start to think his play style can't possibly be just newb tells. I convinced myself in two separate games that there was no way he could be town and both times I was smacked in the face with a town flip. THere are better lynches today.

Not true at all, in fact. If you read the games SH is talking about, hes the one who looks stupid, because of his lack of knowledge. Don't try to boast your ego, when its not true at all

Hiplop,

Without fail, you have called me scum in every single game I've been in with you, except for 1095 where you happened to be very, very wrong. Even if you did know what my scum meta is, you have no idea how to spot it.

But, since you're the claimed resident expert on muffin's meta, am I town or scum here, hiplop?

No. In fact in a few you were my top town read I'm not an expert at all, but some games I read, I had you pinpointed as scum

Hm, Not sure yet.

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see

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BBmolla... ugh. Add BBmolla to the list of people I'm okay with lynching.

pedit: So Maruchan can you summarize your read on hiplop then?

Do you have any examples of Cobbler bandwagoning specifically? I actually haven't seen any cobbler cases posted I don't believe.

So your claiming that Scumhunter provided false meta on you? Hm..

Ill post some when i get home! Frantically typing this on break at work

Eh not so much false meta as like hm.. uh, misexplanation? SH was essentially the Maruchan of those games, he was tunneling and didnt really listen to anything. I got him as conf town, and I had a strong case on someone: but he just ingored it all and hammered me on both occasions ~_~

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also, lets look at maruchans early posting (ie page 2, 1, 3 5 , 4 etc). He posts massive massive walls. Ever since hes had this "case" (doesnt exist) he hasnt had ONE long post. Hes able to talk about nothing for 700 words, but inable to do it on something that is "100% CONF SCUM TO HIM"

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Could it simply be that your case was not as strong as you are making it out to be? Cause when I read you in another game, you played similarly to this as town and were lynched. Once the game wraps up, I'll link to it.

Nope. It was a very, very strong case, and he aknowledged that. All he did was say "i cant get over a gut feeling, im going to hammer" type of thing.

As per my post #650, Hiplop has been giving off stupid reads for the stupidest reasons since about his third post, and when asked to explain his reads he gives us things like "Because i don't see a scum motivation for that"

Am I supposed to BS, and lie about why I think hes town? Scum need to do things to advance themselves, aka motivation. I see none, therefore it cant be bby scum.

He switches his reads on people like the flip of a finger, he has yet to present any actual case on anyone, and 90% of his content all game has been "IM NOT SCUM AND THIS IS WHY" defense bullshit

The only read thats changed a lot is you. I have posted tons of cases, and cool story bro.

He tells us he had no internet for days, then in the same post he told us "He was scumhunting, just looking for things others had missed" as an excuse for his lack of content. The first is the truth, the second is BS made up to make Link feel happy.

I was talking to muffin. Also, its true. "Not scumhunting" is a silly concept, how would you explain scumhunting, maru?

He also repeatedly tells us he is scum-hunting, yet fails to show us the results of his hunt. Sounds more like avoidance to me. Posts lots of fluff,

um, Way to ignore ALL of my recent posts. Yup, I post lots of fluff. I dont hide it either.

sheeps whenever he thinks he sees the tides moving in favor of a news lynch, buddys like hell with Kcda and Empking and KJ, refuses to see any case on him as a case

And you tunnel like a fucking buffoon. How am I buddying to Killerjester, or KCDA, or even empking for that matter? I strongly dislike KCDA ion this game, and I've pretty much ignored everything hes said, hes not useful at all. Killerjester is a fucking sheep, and EMP just hasnt been buddied at all by me, friendly =/= buddying

Because you havent ever posted a case ._. This is the closest to it, and its weak.

Attacks other people for lack of content (Read: his own lack of content). Says the entire waggon on him is based off of a joke he made (but doesn't point out the joke that the wagon is based on him), the constant sheeping, and buddying of the other sheep in the game.

Posted lots of content. It was, the early on joking hiplop almost got me lynched, and has gained a fucking tunneler for it.

Again, no buddying or sheeping. I've came up with the case on everyone (except cobbler)

Seriously, there is a case to be made on me, but this isn't it. This is a desperate attempt at finding "scummy" things by me.

hplop: I'm satisfied with his recent posting and I'm pretty confident in his town status. His usefulness is another matter...

More useful than you think. I admit I am weak early on, but I am quite good at finding scum later on. Look at some of my recent games (I have a feeling which game you looked at, and its not the best example). I'm still settling into larger games, but I'm awesome at small games

He's a tough nut to crack. As I said, a player like him is dangerous as town. It would really come down to how he looked after a few days. I will agree that the meta argument can be true. I just don't think it works for the kind of player that has a negative meta like hiplop and Empking.

You're really overreacting. I lurk occasionally, but none of my play could ever be considered "bad" (UNLESS I FALL BEHIND, which is why I'm not quite good at Large games yet! )

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all you except bottom 2 = linky. Seriously dude, if you`re 12, calm your hormones |_|

great reply to my post btw.

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Could it simply be that your case was not as strong as you are making it out to be? Cause when I read you in another game, you played similarly to this as town and were lynched. Once the game wraps up, I'll link to it.

Nope. It was a very, very strong case, and he aknowledged that. All he did was say "i cant get over a gut feeling, im going to hammer" type of thing.

[quote"maru"]As per my post #650, Hiplop has been giving off stupid reads for the stupidest reasons since about his third post, and when asked to explain his reads he gives us things like "Because i don't see a scum motivation for that" [/quote]
Am I supposed to BS, and lie about why I think hes town? Scum need to do things to advance themselves, aka motivation. I see none, therefore it cant be bby scum.

He switches his reads on people like the flip of a finger, he has yet to present any actual case on anyone, and 90% of his content all game has been "IM NOT SCUM AND THIS IS WHY" defense bullshit

The only read thats changed a lot is you. I have posted tons of cases, and cool story bro.

He tells us he had no internet for days, then in the same post he told us "He was scumhunting, just looking for things others had missed" as an excuse for his lack of content. The first is the truth, the second is BS made up to make Link feel happy.

I was talking to muffin. Also, its true. "Not scumhunting" is a silly concept, how would you explain scumhunting, maru?

He also repeatedly tells us he is scum-hunting, yet fails to show us the results of his hunt. Sounds more like avoidance to me. Posts lots of fluff,

um, Way to ignore ALL of my recent posts. Yup, I post lots of fluff. I dont hide it either.

sheeps whenever he thinks he sees the tides moving in favor of a news lynch, buddys like hell with Kcda and Empking and KJ, refuses to see any case on him as a case

And you tunnel like a fucking buffoon. How am I buddying to Killerjester, or KCDA, or even empking for that matter? I strongly dislike KCDA ion this game, and I've pretty much ignored everything hes said, hes not useful at all. Killerjester is a fucking sheep, and EMP just hasnt been buddied at all by me, friendly =/= buddying

Because you havent ever posted a case ._. This is the closest to it, and its weak.

Attacks other people for lack of content (Read: his own lack of content). Says the entire waggon on him is based off of a joke he made (but doesn't point out the joke that the wagon is based on him), the constant sheeping, and buddying of the other sheep in the game.

Posted lots of content. It was, the early on joking hiplop almost got me lynched, and has gained a fucking tunneler for it.

Again, no buddying or sheeping. I've came up with the case on everyone (except cobbler)

Seriously, there is a case to be made on me, but this isn't it. This is a desperate attempt at finding "scummy" things by me.

[quote"linku]hplop: I'm satisfied with his recent posting and I'm pretty confident in his town status. His usefulness is another matter...[/quote]
More useful than you think. I admit I am weak early on, but I am quite good at finding scum later on. Look at some of my recent games (I have a feeling which game you looked at, and its not the best example). I'm still settling into larger games, but I'm awesome at small games

He's a tough nut to crack. As I said, a player like him is dangerous as town. It would really come down to how he looked after a few days. I will agree that the meta argument can be true. I just don't think it works for the kind of player that has a negative meta like hiplop and Empking.

You're really overreacting. I lurk occasionally, but none of my play could ever be considered "bad" (UNLESS I FALL BEHIND, which is why I'm not quite good at Large games yet! )[/quote]
for the tool

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And no. not all me but the bottom two. The top one isn't me either. and as I read the first one and knew i didn't say it I almost skipped this entire wall thinking it wasn't about me.

Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT? Theres no fucking town motivation for this, You idiots say My usefulness is in question, all this dude is going to do is tunnel, and nitpick. WHY WOULD TOWN COMPLETELY IGNORE A FUCKING WALL DIRECTED AT THEM, BECAUSE THE QUOTES DONT HAVE NAMES ON THEM.

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What I find interesting is that he was going to skip the wall because the quotes weren't directed at him.

Lmao Thats even worse, true point.

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Seriously, My defense is a better case on him than his original case on me ._.

Can we plz just kill him? I dont know how much more of this I can take.

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KCDA vote maru and I promise we can get Molla tomorrow?

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EMP u 2

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Think of it this way: If its maruchan/Molla (which is likely) then Molla deserves the win more, and hes less obnoxious. Its just a win/win considering hes scum. (Maru)

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Hm. Why is that?

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quote="fuckmaruchan"

If I am getting told off for attitude CSL, then I think this deserves something too.

Asking for names in quotes is a perfectly reasonable request, which I was polite in making the first 3 times.

Provoking me. And IDC CSL is a good guy and knows im not being serious

Asking is fine, but ignoring posts is not.

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WHY WOULD TOWN COMPLETELY IGNORE A FUCKING WALL DIRECTED AT THEM, BECAUSE THE QUOTES DONT HAVE NAMES ON THEM.

Uhm, because the lack of names, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS DIRECTED AT ME.

dur da dur

my fucking god.

Its not that fucking hard to know what you wrote.

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thats actually worse.

Maruchan, may I recommend playing a newbie game?

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wow you just admitted to skimming a wall.

not even skim. Scrolled past it to the reply box without giving a look

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thats actually worse.

Maruchan, may I recommend playing a newbie game?

Played two, and once again, quit insinuating I am an idiot. I don't skim walls.

I skim YOUR posts.

big difference

play more.

Fuck off.

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The thing is: we know exactly what naruchan is going to contribute this game, if i die, hell just move onto tunneling someone else. Like PM sAid: hes not doIng anything. Hes ignoring what im saying so he doesnt feel wrong. ive proven that i will be helpful, and find scum. Hes shown hell tunnel to shit and just plug his ears and yell "Lalalalalalal im right ur rong trololol

Sittin on my friends porch on my ipod touch b/c hes a fAggot and flrot to unlock his door -.-

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If youre honestly scumhunting, you cAnt be scum. (unless in a multimafia game >_<)

Maruchan: if i flip town, what will you do tomorrow?

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Oh and im sorry if i crossed the line , im not going tl lie. I dont lime you as a person.ill leavr games if you're involved. But i will be civilized for the remainder of this game

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^wat

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YO CSL, im on a semi v/la atm, thought I posted this in all my games but apparently only got to the one. At a family members house and while i still have access/ read along it is hard to post... hope thats ok

Noted.

Wont be long that I am here, and can still participate

Can we just finish maru off?

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MOAR [Maruchan] BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

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YO CSL, im on a semi v/la atm, thought I posted this in all my games but apparently only got to the one. At a family members house and while i still have access/ read along it is hard to post... hope thats ok

Noted.

Wont be long that I am here, and can still participate

Can we just finish maru off?

Its funny cuz...

I checked all his posts for the past 3 days...

This is the only game he deigns to be VLA in...

Bullhit...

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YO CSL, im on a semi v/la atm, thought I posted this in all my games but apparently only got to the one. At a family members house and while i still have access/ read along it is hard to post... hope thats ok

Noted.

Wont be long that I am here, and can still participate

Can we just finish maru off?

Its funny cuz...

I checked all his posts for the past 3 days...

This is the only game he deigns to be VLA in...

Bullhit...

Posted in all but 2 of my games ._.
If you guys don't believe me check for yourself. The facts speak for themselves.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... 9&sr=posts

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Not sure. Usually post it at the end of a post, cbf to check. Do know that inwouldnt lie about this, i talked to CSL on aim about it, and pmd some.

Thanks for pointing itnout tho, looks like ondod dofrget on some

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KJ needs to die or something too

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you're pretty much just copy/pasting what KCDA says ._.