Open 331: No Lynching Town - Game Over!

[Empking]

Vote: CSL

[Empking]

====[]

[Empking]

No,

that's L-1 on CSL

.

Well you couldn't ====[] otherwise, could you?

Unvote, Vote: Pack

- Pretending to be useful.

[Empking]

Well, that simplifies things for me a little bit.

UNVOTE: Ellibereth
VOTE: Empking

Yay! OMGUS!

Reporting votecounts is common courtesy - there's no reason for you to cast it as scummy.

Do you think people will be confused by the three conscecutive posts?

[Empking]

Morning!

VOTE: CSL

For personal reasons.

Vote: CSL

Vote: CSL

[Empking]

I count three.

[Empking]

You wouldn't say "Hammer" if you'd hammered but you would if you wanted somebody to hammer. The same aplies for the picture.

The OMGUS still applies.

[Empking]

Clearly you haven't been playing the games I've been playing.

No, remember how I humiliated you with my maginificent scum play in Uite's game.

[Empking]

However, Emp's second vote was just awful, and I totally agree that Packbat's response was not OMGUS.

Why?

[Empking]

@Emp because your reason for voting him was sufficient justification for a vote on you.

Why?

[Empking]

Packbat is town for not hammering.

Why?

[Empking]

Unvote
Vote: CSL

L-1

[Empking]

CSL - 3 (Ellibereth, hiplop, Empking)

All three are town.

[Empking]

I'm better than all of you
Except for maybe Emp

This is good posting.

[Empking]

I'm better than all of you
Except for maybe Emp

In my experience, being better than Emp is no great achievement.

Hey, how about you scumhunt. Quick tip.

[Empking]

Hey Glow. Trust me, hammer CSL.

[Empking]

Hiplop, Elli; Tell Glow to ====[]

[Empking]

Why would that make a difference?

Peer pressure.

[Empking]

Okay, for srs. Sheep me onto Ellibereth if he's town he'll live and I will hammer CSL tomorrow.

Elli is practically confirmed town. We're not lynching Elli.

I think you're town. That means that the scum are narrowed down to: Pack, CSL & Izak. This means that if you hammer CSL, we've got the game in the bag.

[Empking]

1. Those CAPA LAWK posts look like town.
2. He's voting CSL.

[Empking]

Yeah, no that's not doing it for me.

If you hammer CSL I'll sheep you for the rest of the game. (If he flips scum then I'll refuse to vote Elli though.)

[Empking]

Yeah, no that's not doing it for me.

If you hammer CSL I'll sheep you for the rest of the game. (If he flips scum then I'll refuse to vote Elli though.)

hmmmm Emp isn't known for following his word.

?

[Empking]

Unvote

EMP, I NEED OPINION
CSL town for backing down
or scum for being afraid of 1 v 1'ing.

Cowardly scum. You would have got him lynched.

[Empking]

Pack would have been the swing vote right?

Him or Glow.

[Empking]

VOTE: glowball

Seems like the scum to me.

Its awkwardly looking that way isn't it? I'd say that's more likely if CSL flips scum.

[Empking]

Hey Glowball; Have CSL's head anyway! Today!

[Empking]

Awesome let's stalemate until deadline and then no one dies we have no information and scum get a free kill-- the mechanics in this game are such that we have little risk and a lot of information to gain. Lynching Ellibereth will tell us a lot, especially about Emp and HipLop which may be why they are hesistant, but there is only 2 scumz. If Ellibereth is town then he will be here unless scum kill him at night, but we still have the information.

CSL gives us info on essentially everyone. Elli gives us info on me & hip. Both of us who are pretty clearly town.

[Empking]

Elli: Why do you want a 1v1 when you can just hammer?

[Empking]

Ellibereth - 3 (glowball, izakthegoomba, CSL)

The scum.

[Empking]

Empking. Ellibereth. Hiplop.

Scum lies within this unholy trinity.

Does a Hiplop/Empking team make senmse in your mind? Why?

[Empking]

===[]

[Empking]

There is no way those three people are all town.

I thought about this post and I think after VSL flips scum its best to ignote it for wifom

[Empking]

unvote vote: Pack

- I agree with glow

[Empking]

Hip is town and an informationless lynvh.

[Empking]

I ser nothing in hip thst makes me want to vote him over glow

[Empking]

CSL probably isnt town though.

Pack, Glow isnt a townread.

[Empking]

*checks Empking's ISO*

Is it just the CSL connection?

Iys your glow-hip conection. If I was to follow then I'd vote for glow rather than hip.

[Empking]

Because hip is a town read.

[Empking]

Both of them are guilty of that interaction. That doesn't mean that when you look at other factors they'll be equaly scummy.

I'm liking my vote.

[Empking]

Incompetency is going to be our downfall.

Guess what, it's happening.

Yeah I don't think you dodging the lynch is very good either.

[Empking]

or HELL we can get me today so you guys can drop this hiplop scumteam thing and then tomorrow all of you sheep me to victory EVEN if I am dead you will kill PackBat> Izak>CSL

Yeah no way is it a glow/hip team

[Empking]

If you make town make stuff up then you won't be able to catch scum when they do it.

Hip is town for being on the CSL wagon. Glow is town for his sensible reads in his last post.

[Empking]

If you make town make stuff up then you won't be able to catch scum when they do it.

FAIL.

Town does not need to "make stuff up." In an all-vanilla setup like this, the

only

way town players acquire opinions is by honest reading of the thread. In the course of honest reading of the thread, these town players will make observations which incline them to various opinions about the players in the game.

What I am demanding is that they

state these observations

- be they as simple as "this post was slimy". What this allows is for

other

town players to repeat these observations, and form their own opinions on them, opinions which are likely to be correlated between players when they are well-founded and based on genuine reading and

not

when they are not.

No because you had a problem when I quoted Glows post and called him town. That's really no different from your slimy example.

Hip is town because of the scums original fight against the CSL. How can scum be against it when they're on it?

Hip is town for being on the CSL wagon. Glow is town for his sensible reads in his last post.

Why does being on the CSL wagon make him town? I can ignore the glowball bit for the moment - I can understand it, even if it is a complete reversal of your statements for the past few pages - but in what way is voting for CSL on page two a marker of towniness?[/quote]

[Empking]

vote: izak

one of the three possible scum.

[Empking]

Vote: CSL

[Empking]

Let's lynch CSL. We can work out his buddy later.

[Empking]

NO! I compromised yesterday and ended up hammering izak. I want Packbat lynched and if I am wrong then you can lynch me or I'll sheep you

But you're probably right.

[Empking]

@emp... then let's lynch packbat a scum lynch is a scum lynch

CSL will be easier to lynch.

[Empking]

@emp... then let's lynch packbat a scum lynch is a scum lynch

CSL will be easier to lynch.

why is that because you and hiplop are working together?

That makes no sense. If we were working together and that's why CSL was easier we could've just moved onto Pack. The problem is that Elli doesn't find Pack scummy.

[Empking]

Elli!

[Empking]

OK, I am confused. The CSL death just confusing me even more.

[Empking]

Oh wait, CSL was clearly not scum with hip. That bit at least makes sense.

Vote: Pack

[Empking]

Unvote

[Empking]

OMG- Pack/Emp which one of you is the scumz? And why'd you kill CSL that was stupid.

Why was it stupid?

[Empking]

Vote: Pack

[Empking]

^Why that?

Elli is town. I'm leaning towards you being town. Therefore my vote goes on Pack.

[Empking]

I've just looked through my iso. I think my reasoning for Glow town was a little weak (it was based off saying we could kill him).

Unvote
Vote: Glow

[Empking]

I

[Empking]

If I knew who all the scum were since page one why would my reads be so terrible?

Also, the first time I called you town I mentioned and I think my reasoning were lacking. Second time was having "sensible reads" or reads that agreed with my reads which were apparently not all that sensible.

[Empking]

You didn't know who the scum were page one.

Cool. Thanks for calling me town.

[Empking]

Incidentally, completely separately from any interactions with glowball, there's reason to vote hiplop if you have a townread on CSL:

Err, if CSL's town, I'm gunning for

hiplop

, not either of the Es.

Wait, why?

I have townreads on Empking and Ellibereth. Whereas, if CSL is town, your vote was well-timed to rejuvenate a popular wagon, and one bearing two voters far more flamboyant (and therefore noticeable) than yourself.

I'm somewhat relieved you

didn't

hammer - the pace of the game has been pretty fast so far, and I wouldn't mind more time for discussion.

A list of my votes, with my best guess as to my thoughts at the time I placed them:

#9: Kinda random. L-1 rather than L-2 just because.
#11: Empking's violent reaction to my L-1 remark seemed off to me.
#83(& #97): Because of #22 overly strong objection to L-1 wagon (I had some thought that Goomba might be a scumbuddy of CSL), #28 "Packbat is town for not hammering", and (this is the reason I put in my post) #70 fleeing from the 1v1 deal. Oh, and a gut counterreaction against the "quicklynches are mislynches" heuristic.
#163: Reading in ISO, Ellibereth has provided very little in the way of reasons to vote for CSL, and his frenetic posting hid a lack of content in his posts.

Oh, and #168: check out #100-101 looks like a textbook scumbuddy interaction. Particularly with the way hiplop flees afterwards to the popular CSL wagon. And, similarly, #144-148 seem too familiar to be simply a player objecting to being denigrated.

UNVOTE: Ellibereth

VOTE: hiplop

If hiplop is scum, glowball is probably his partner.

[Empking]

he's buddying with you to get me lynched and he knows you think I am scum.

So answering the question you asked me straight up is buddying to Pack, now.

[Empking]

Ellibereth it's Emp or Pack we can win this with back to back lynches. Emp first because he's scummiest IMO

Reeks of desperation.

[Empking]

wait I'm reevaling

?

Edit: But it does.

[Empking]

*taps microphone*

Hello? Anyone here?

Don't active lurk.

[Empking]

I'll tell you this Pack: Elli ghets to choose who we lynch today.

[Empking]

If Elli is scum then he's a dick for not hammering Glow qujicker. So...

[Empking]

That case is
1. I was wrong a couple of times. Publicly and loudly wrong.
2. I switched votes yesterday a couple of times.

Is that right?

[Empking]

1. I'm sorry agreeing with a player who later turns up as scum is a scumtell? Why would scum do that?
2. "Scum" is plural. "A scum" is singular. Both scum id the only way of reading it in this game.
3. Imagine if you will two numbers. One is a 5 and one is a 1. Take 2 away from both numbers. Only Glowball is a negative number. See?
4. Yes that explains why

a minute

later I showed that I understood the logic.
6. Begging the question of you being town.

[Empking]

1. Don't gop after an unrelated point. Back up your original one.
3. If there's nothing scummy about those interactions unless they're both scum. Then your point was essentially.
They are scum.
Therefore X.
Therefore they are scum.
Is that what you were going for.
4. The logic behind killing CSL. And it was obvious if you reread the last day.
6. Begging the question that you're town. If you're town then I muist be scum. Therefore you're (again?) going.
Empking is scum.
Therefore he only wagoned townies.
Therefore he is scum.
7. Cases are scummy.

[Empking]

1. When did I WIFOM away from it. Its not scummy in the first place there's nothing to WIFOM from.
3. No. That interaction made Glow-Hip pair more likely. That makes Glow and Hip more likely to be scum. Then we're back to the negative number example.
Just because I have a town read on someone doesn't make them a 100% cleared.
4. CSL was obviously not scum with Hip.
6. How?
7. How?

[Empking]

1. No it isn't. You're saying scum would do it more often than town. I expect you to back that up.
3. You keep on acting like I voted Glow. I merely said that Glow was scummier than Hip.
4. Do I need to answer that?
6. Do you want to change your argument to me wagonning players who were not town reads? Its fine if you want to but its an entirely different argument.
7. Tolwn don't want to close their minds by making cases.

[Empking]

7. Well the presumption that cases help you to lynch scum and the presumption that cases are required to explain votes.

[Empking]

(a) I disagree with your second sentence.

[Empking]

Why?

Sorry. I meant I disagree with your third sentence.

[Empking]

And this disagreement is for what reason? You're being evasive.

I see nothing to suggest that quality of cases are more to do with alignments that the case-makers presentantion abilities.

[Empking]

No,

that's L-1 on CSL

.

Well you couldn't ====[] otherwise, could you?

Unvote, Vote: Pack

- Pretending to be useful.

unvote vote: Pack

- I agree with glow

[Empking]

No,

that's L-1 on CSL

.

Well you couldn't ====[] otherwise, could you?

Unvote, Vote: Pack

- Pretending to be useful.

unvote vote: Pack

- I agree with glow

I have no idea why I posted this/

Elli: Everything in 3p LyoL is null.

[Empking]

We're waiting for Elli!

[Empking]

Don't prododge.

[Empking]

I am town because I've been loud and noisy about my suspicions until my gameview was changed with Hip's flip.

[Empking]

My most recent scum game (I think) - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =1&t=17789
I haven't been scum in yonks.

[Empking]

This might be better - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =3&t=17650

[Empking]

I don't recall getting prodded?

[Empking]

Empking, just out of curiosity: what's your read on Ellibereth based on?

The CSL wagon was obv not me & Scum.

[Empking]

The beggining wagon was not scumled.

[Empking]

Why should I believe that?

Because your role PM makes it obvious.

[Empking]

What, your question was moronic: Why should I believe I'm scum? Is a moronic question.

[Empking]

Oh at rthe moment its based on Elli drawing it out rather than winning already.

[Empking]

By voting you. He should be fairly sure that I'd hammer. Therefore if he was scum he'd have voted you by now.

[Empking]

No clue.

[Empking]

Why would I do that?
Elli is confirmed town.
I know I'm town.
And the game is open.

[Empking]

I'm actually laughing right now. Pack, what are you doing?

(I know you're going the "I'll be rude, Elli will never think scum would be rude." strategy but other than that.)

[Empking]

Town wouldn't have votes because the player who they think is scum called them out for not voting, btw.

Vote: Pack

[Empking]

No I think my tell is better.