Open 331: No Lynching Town - Game Over!

[Fenchurch]

Elli pointed out he has a V/LA notice in his sig (limited access at weekends). So I'll give him a pass for now; I'll consider replacing him if his activity is low in the week.

[Empking]

I'll tell you this Pack: Elli ghets to choose who we lynch today.

[Packbat]

I'll tell you this Pack: Elli ghets to choose who we lynch today.

Ellibereth can hammer if he likes, but I don't have a

townread

on him - just a process-of-elimination deduction.

[glowball]

Who do you have a town read on then? Emp? Or are you just hoping to cruise through with no solid reads?

[Ellibereth]

I'll "stall" however the long hell I want because it's up to ME to make the decision right now.
Regardless I was away the last few days and couldn't yesterday and I'll probably be doing so today and blahablahblah.

Actually screw this fine, within the next hour. Not breaking this promise.

[glowball]

okay well I will lose this for town, because if you are town then you are definitely not help. Stalling for answers is one thing, but this game has NO activity and you don't care- so I don't.

VOTE: Glowball

[Ellibereth]

lolderp
for your benefit for why your idea of theory sucks.
I don't care about questions at this point.
it's evaluation.
and that takes fucking time.

whatever, my gut and all that is Pack but I can delay this game for another night then
whooptydoodaday

[glowball]

You could have just voted. I am so sick of this game, I want to die because of you and if you are scum BRAVO but this kind of play was not pro town you should have been more involved.

[Ellibereth]

When the choice is up to ME it's up to ME how involved i want to be and how much I want to think on my own.
You being sick of the game doesn't mean I just go trololololI'mnotsureyet but I'll just notbepatient because the peoples waiting are.

[glowball]

YOU WERE NOT PARTICIPATING. If you needed time to think you would update us, you should have at least. You came in and didn't answer questions and didn't give a damn that we are playing a game. The only reason teh decision was up to you is because of your lack of activity. So really the choice wasn't up to you, I hammered myself because I am not going to wait another 72 hours for you to come in and do just that. I am town. Figure out the scum-- it would have been an easy win if you would have actually participated but you didn't so whatever.

[Ellibereth]

lol
you
have
no
right
to
criticize
the
way
I
play
this
game

I'm not "lololol me still thinking" more than I have to
you know what
I'll win this tomorrow
when I spend TIME AND THINK ABOUT THIS SHIT INSTEAD OF CATERING TO YOUR DESIRE TO WHAT YOU THINK IS PARTICIPATING AND IS CORRECT PLAY

so yeah
fucking self hammer when i was barely even considering you
what you do is shut up and wait for me to think and do what i want
there's a reason deadlines are so long

don't bother replying.

[glowball]

Well I am dead anyway, and if I wasn't your suspect you should have placed your vote on Pack since you think Emp is town as well. You are just a control freak, oh my I do what I want with no regard for other players.. oh I hold the power so I'll keep stalling. Sorry, no I don't want to be a part of that.

[Fenchurch]

Final Vote Count of Day Three

glowball - 2 (Empking, Packbat, glowball)

Not voting: 1 (Ellibereth)

The electric chair is ready and waiting for today's candidate, which would appear to be glowball. She even flips the switch herself, and laughs maniacally as the power starts to flow through. But it doesn't seem to be killing her, if anything it seems to be making her stronger. No wait.. no, she's just the same. But definitely still alive.

No lynch has occurred Day 3.

Night deadline: Wednesday, 14 September 2011 at 23:06 GMT

[Fenchurch]

4 of you go to sleep, only 3 wake up...

glowball,

Townie

, was killed Night 3.

Day 4 begins!

Not voting: 3 (Ellibereth, Empking, Packbat)

With three alive, it will take two votes to lynch.

Deadline is: Saturday, 15 October 2011 at 22:27 pm GMT

[Packbat]

Predictable. Guess we won't be having any WIFOM gambits.

Working right now, but I'll reread and analyze tomorrow.

[Empking]

If Elli is scum then he's a dick for not hammering Glow qujicker. So...

[Ellibereth]

Hi
Guess where I'm leaning
but
Paranoia

[Packbat]

Having just skimmed Pages 1-9, I'm feeling Empking more than Ellibereth, for a couple reasons:

1. Lots of confirmed townies are leaning that way.

2. Magic like #206-#210.

Not voting until I finish my reread, but that's the way I'm leaning.

[Packbat]

The only thing that really bothers me is how little activity Ellibereth has had all game. Against that, however, Empking has been quite active without presenting anything like a solid case for a single one of his votes, ever.

Yeah, looking over the game, there's really no comparison. Being as this is LyLo, I'm not going to rush anything, but I'm moderately confident that Emp is the last scum.

[Packbat]

I think glowball made the best case:

Because hip is a town read.

You never placed a vote on Hip and Hip is now dead scum

or HELL we can get me today so you guys can drop this hiplop scumteam thing and then tomorrow all of you sheep me to victory EVEN if I am dead you will kill PackBat> Izak>CSL

Yeah no way is it a glow/hip team

You already said that there isn't a Glow/Hip team

If you make town make stuff up then you won't be able to catch scum when they do it.

Hip is town for being on the CSL wagon. Glow is town for his sensible reads in his last post.

Again calling us both town, but Hip flipped scum

vote: izak

one of the three possible scum.

Izak wasn't scum

Let's lynch CSL. We can work out his buddy later.

CSL wasn't scum

Oh wait, CSL was clearly not scum with hip. That bit at least makes sense.

Vote: Pack

Here you vote Pack

I've just looked through my iso. I think my reasoning for Glow town was a little weak (it was based off saying we could kill him).

Unvote
Vote: Glow

Now back to me. You are obviously jumping for the most likely lynch. You came into the game trying to steam roll us and make us hammer PAGE 1! You're scum reads have been wrong and now you are voting me with Pack because I am voting you- simple.

Ellibereth, and Pack if you are town let's rid ourselves of Emp. I have done nothing scummy and he needs death

[Packbat]

Voting history, color coded:

Voter Records: Votes On Target
Post# Vtr | 
CSL
 Ell Emp 
glo
 
hip
 
iza
 Pac |
----------|-----------------------------|
  4   
iza
 |  V   .   .   .   .   .   .  |
  5   Emp |  V*  .   .   .   .   .   .  | * L-2
  6   Ell |  V†  .   .   .   .   .   .  | † L-1
  9   Pac |  3   V   .   .   .   .   .  |
 10   Emp |  u   1   .   .   .   .   V  |
 11   Pac |  2   u   V   .   .   .   1  |
 22   
iza
 |  u   .   1   .   .   .   1  |
 28   
CSL
 |  1   .   V*  .   .   .   1  | * L-2
 32   
hip
 |  V*  .   2   .   .   .   1  | * L-2
 37   Emp |  V†  .   2   .   .   .   u  | † L-1
 40   
iza
 |  3   V   2   .   .   .   .  |
 57   
glo
 |  3   V*  2   .   .   .   .  | * L-2
 70   
CSL
 |  3   2   u   .   .   .   .  |
 74   Ell |  u   2   1   .   .   .   .  |
 78   
iza
 |  2   u   V*  .   .   .   .  | * L-2
 83   Pac |  V†  1   u   .   .   .   .  | † L-1
 92   
iza
 |  3   V*  u   .   .   .   .  | * L-2
 93   Pac |  u   2   .   .   .   .   .  |
 97   Pac |  V†  2   .   .   .   .   .  |
100   
hip
 |  u   2   .   V   .   .   .  |
104   
hip
 |  V†  2   .   u   .   .   .  | † L-1
108   
CSL
 |  3   V†  .   .   .   .   .  | † L-1
141   
glo
 |  3   u   V   .   .   .   .  |
163   Pac |  u   V†  1   .   .   .   .  | † L-1
165   
glo
 |  2   3   u   .   .   .   V  |
168   Pac |  2   u   .   .   V   .   1  |
174   
CSL
 |  2   u   .   .   V*  .   1  | * L-2
181   
iza
 |  2   u   .   .   V†  .   1  | † L-1
193   Emp |  u   .   .   .   3   .   V* | * L-2
240   Ell |  1   .   .   .   3   V   2  |
241   
hip
 |  u   .   .   .   3   V*  2  | * L-2
255   Emp |  .   .   .   .   3   V†  u  | † L-1
258   
glo
 |  .   .   .   .   3  ~V~  u  | ===[]
----------|-----------------------------|
          |  0   0   0   0   3   4   0  |
----------|-----------------------------|
264       | 
CSL
 Ell Emp 
glo
 
hip
 
iza
 Pac | = Town
265       | 
CSL
 Ell Emp 
glo
 
hip
 --- Pac | = Town
----------|-----------------------------|
266   Pac |  .   .   .   .   V       .  |
267   Emp |  V   .   .   .   1       .  |
268   
glo
 |  1   .   .   .   1       V  |
271   
hip
 |  V*  .   .   .   1       1  | * L-2
288   
glo
 |  2   .   .   .   V*      u  | * L-2
289   
CSL
 |  2   .   .   .   V†      .  | † L-1
310   Ell |  2   .   .   .  ~V~      .  |===[]
----------|-----------------------------|
          |  2   0   0   0   4       0  |
----------|-----------------------------|
312       | 
CSL
 Ell Emp 
glo
 --- --- Pac | = Scum
313       | --- Ell Emp 
glo
 --- --- Pac | = Town
----------|-----------------------------|
315   Emp |      .   .   .           V  |
316   Pac |      .   .   V           1  |
317   Emp |      .   .   1           u  |
320   
glo
 |      .   V   1           .  |
321   Emp |      .   1   1           V  |
327   Emp |      .   1   V†          u  | † L-1
355   Pac |      .   1   u           .  |
360   Pac |      .   1   V†          .  | † L-1
380   
glo
 |      .   u  ~V~          .  | ===[]
----------|-----------------------------|
          |      0   0   3           0  |
----------|-----------------------------|
387       | --- Ell Emp 
glo
 --- --- Pac | = Town
----------|-----------------------------|

          Voter Records: Votes By Player
Post# Tgt | 
CSL
 Ell Emp 
glo
 
hip
 
iza
 Pac |
----------|-----------------------------|
  4   
CSL
 |  .   .   .   .   .   V   .  |
  5   
CSL
 |  .   .   V*  .   .   1   .  | * L-2
  6   
CSL
 |  .   V†  1   .   .   1   .  | † L-1
  9   Ell |  .   1   1   .   .   1   V  |
 10   Pac |  .   1   V   .   .   1   1  |
 11   Emp |  .   1   2   .   .   1   V  |
 22   --- |  .   1   2   .   .   u   2  |
 28   Emp |  V*  1   2   .   .   1   2  | * L-2
 32   
CSL
 |  1   1   2   .   V*  1   2  | * L-2
 37   
CSL
 |  1   1   V†  .   1   1   2  | † L-1
 40   Ell |  1   1   3   .   1   V   2  |
 57   Ell |  1   1   3   V*  1   2   2  | * L-2
 70   --- |  u   1   3   1   1   2   2  |
 74   --- |  1   u   3   1   1   2   2  |
 78   Ell |  1   1   3   1   1   V*  2  | * L-2
 83   
CSL
 |  1   1   3   1   1   3   V† | † L-1
 92   Ell |  1   1   3   1   1   V*  3  | * L-2
 93   --- |  1   1   3   1   1   4   u  |
 97   
CSL
 |  1   1   3   1   1   4   V† | † L-1
100   
glo
 |  1   1   3   1   V   4   4  |
104   
CSL
 |  1   1   3   1   V†  4   4  |
108   Ell |  V†  1   3   1   3   4   4  | † L-1
141   Emp |  2   1   3   V   3   4   4  |
163   Ell |  2   1   3   2   3   4   V† | † L-1
165   Pac |  2   1   3   V   3   4   5  |
168   
hip
 |  2   1   3   3   3   4   V  |
174   
hip
 |  V*  1   3   3   3   4   6  | * L-2
181   
hip
 |  3   1   3   3   3   V†  6  | † L-1
193   Pac |  3   1   V*  3   3   5   6  | * L-2
240   
iza
 |  3   V   4   3   3   5   6  |
241   
iza
 |  3   2   4   3   V*  5   6  | * L-2
255   
iza
 |  3   2   V†  3   4   5   6  | † L-1
258   
iza
 |  3   2   5  ~V~  4   5   6  | ===[]
----------|-----------------------------|
          |  3   2   5   4   4   5   6  |
----------|-----------------------------|
264       | 
CSL
 Ell Emp 
glo
 
hip
 
iza
 Pac | = Town
265       | 
CSL
 Ell Emp 
glo
 
hip
 --- Pac | = Town
----------|-----------------------------|
266   
hip
 |  .   .   .   .   .       V  |
267   
CSL
 |  .   .   V   .   .       1  |
268   Pac |  .   .   1   V   .       1  |
271   
CSL
 |  .   .   1   1   V*      1  | * L-2
288   
hip
 |  .   .   1   V*  1       1  | * L-2
289   
hip
 |  V†  .   1   2   1       1  | † L-1
310   
hip
 |  1  ~V~  1   2   1       1  | ===[]
----------|-----------------------------|
          |  1   1   1   2   1       1  |
----------|-----------------------------|
312       | 
CSL
 Ell Emp 
glo
 --- --- Pac | = Scum
313       | --- Ell Emp 
glo
 --- --- Pac | = Town
----------|-----------------------------|
315   Pac |      .   V   .           .  |
316   
glo
 |      .   1   .           V  |
317   --- |      .   u   .           1  |
320   Emp |      .   1   V           1  |
321   Pac |      .   V   1           1  |
327   
glo
 |      .   V†  1           1  | † L-1
355   --- |      .   3   1           u  |
360   
glo
 |      .   3   1           V† | † L-1
380   
glo
 |      .   3  ~V~          2  | ===[]
----------|-----------------------------|
          |      0   3   2           2  |
----------|-----------------------------|
387       | --- Ell Emp 
glo
 --- --- Pac | = Town
388       | --- Ell Emp --- --- --- Pac | = Town
----------|-----------------------------|

[Empking]

That case is
1. I was wrong a couple of times. Publicly and loudly wrong.
2. I switched votes yesterday a couple of times.

Is that right?

[Packbat]

Well, no - there's also:

1. #106 - connection to hiplop.

2. #143 - interpreting "Scum lies within" as "

Both

scum lie within", which strikes me as guilty (also, as connection to hiplop).

3. #206-210, which will

never, ever, in the history of the universe

make sense.

4. #314-315: "Oh noes, I don't understand what scum could be thinking when they did the thing that scum did, because I'm not scum!"

5. You

never in the entire game

presented a good case for any vote you made.

In fact, I take back what I said about glowball's case being the best. The biggest thing I see is that you

never

presented a case in the entire game worth spit. With all of three exceptions, your every vote has been hopping on a town wagon near lynch and trying to push it the rest of the way. Ellibereth at least had some reasoning he could provide for his early CSL campaign, although he waited an awfully long time to do so - you had

nothing.

[Empking]

1. I'm sorry agreeing with a player who later turns up as scum is a scumtell? Why would scum do that?
2. "Scum" is plural. "A scum" is singular. Both scum id the only way of reading it in this game.
3. Imagine if you will two numbers. One is a 5 and one is a 1. Take 2 away from both numbers. Only Glowball is a negative number. See?
4. Yes that explains why

a minute

later I showed that I understood the logic.
6. Begging the question of you being town.

[Packbat]

1. Why would scum keep away from their partner's wagon the entire game, to the point of pushing any other wagon that arose the moment votes began accumulating there? The way I'm reading it, you're playing the zero-bus strategy.

2. That's not how I read it - although I see that's the way izak meant it. Fine, drop this point. The other four still apply.

3. Imagine, if you will, someone who is below the legal drinking age. Does this fact imply that they are breaking the law?

Only if they are also drinking.

There's nothing particularly scummy about those interactions

unless

you suppose that both of those players are scum.

4. Understood ...

what

logic? You act as if it was obvious, in that second post. Which, as glowball pointed out, it wasn't.

6. Begging

what

question? Nobody's bothered to present a case! The last case I saw was glowball's, and I responded to that when Ellibereth brought it up on Day 2.

Also:

no

response to #5? You don't have

one

solid case behind any of your votes to refer to? Thank you for conceding my largest point outright, scum!