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I agree with PBug that there are generally 3 players in a scum group. However, that doesn't take into account any Sk's, traitors, or cults. So in reality, the chances of randomly picking scum isn't 3/12, but probably slightly higher.
[qoute="al_kohaulec"]As for C_D, I realize players here typically vote randomly as soon as the game starts, so voting yourself is just another thing to gauge reactions and stuff, but I still don't like it. As there are already 3 votes on you, I'm gonna hold off a 4th vote, but I am interested in seeing how everybody else responds to this. [/quote] Are you saying that you dislike my selfvote because it is used to gauge the reaction of others, or are you just picking on it because it's the most easily available target? If neither, then why do you dislike my selfvote?"Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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al_kohaulec wrote:I'm intrigued that you singled me out versus anybody else. Well, I am going t gauge the reaction of others myself, which I did mention in my post. It's just that self voting is not normally done, and your possible intentions based on it are making me feel uneasy. I'm not going to try to make a big deal out of it because so far I don't see any reason to.
Truth is, Fritzler has voted me based on selfvoting before, so I already know it's not that big a deal to him, Gaspode listed his reasons for voting me, Pablito just wants to ignore it, and no one else is responding to it. In addition, you have had more to say in content than everyone else and even opted to profit from it as well.
It would be contradictory to think that you would dislike my selfvote for gauging the reaction of others while doing the same thing yourself. To avoid a misunderstanding, I didn't openly accuse you, but asked for a clarification. I don't see anything wrong with your explanation, so I won't make a big deal about it either."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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Or it could be that I don't have anything to ask. al_ko's response is acceptable and there is no contradiction whatsoever. If your implying that I should continue a hopeless case that might not go anyway, then that's somewhat scummy since I would look scummy either way.Gaspode wrote:C_D seems quite desperate to avoid a confrontation with al_k. Somewhat scummy.
@kain, no I haven't heard of a random traitor before. I was just naming general examples. A random traitor is just a random factor placed into the game, just like a SK, cult, or mason traitor.
Overreation would look like a defense, then an accusation, followed by exagerated and illogic evidence. That's how I view overreactions... well that's how I view themnow."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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Gaspode, I dislike idle accusations. I have a tendency to believe that despite the intelligence of everyone in a game, they will eventually believe it and cause more trouble that it is worth. For instance, "desperate" is a highly exaggerated word given the conditions.
I'm not familiar with the theme, so don't turn to me if you want to ask something about it. A good background summary would help."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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Gaspode: Idle accusation, as in spouting an accusation that has no meaning. A confrontation is similiar to an argument with opposing views. There was nothing either al_kohaulec or I could argue about, therefore a confrontation would not occur unless something dramatic happened.
Thanks for the links.
We still have the hear from sLYph."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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@Gaspode, what al_ko said, although it's pretty similiar to what I was saying.
Could the SEC be a role in the game? The mod's post did say they would drag us individually for interrogation. Perhaps that was just for show."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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Using that logic, you can predict that they could also be a doc. Knowing you would die night one, they protected you. Anyway, I'm not familiar or don't remember anything about your reputation.rite wrote:By the by: the fact that I was targetted last night strongly suggests to me that at least one of the Mafia is someone who has been on this board long enough to have played with me, and know my reputation as getting killed night one. In this game, that includes Gaspode, PBug, and chaotic_diablo. There might be one or two more of you that I just can't remember.
Just something to keep in mind"Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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It's called common sense. If both of us came up with it, I'm sure someone else will as well. In addition, the information is supported by metagaming evidence, which makes it highly unreliable.Y wrote:That was the info I decided not to share with the mafia... I think it's not that wise to help them getting a power role."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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WIFOM=wine in front of me
Example: The wine could or could not be poisoned by the mafia.
1. Scum may have poisoned the wine, it is not safe to drink. Which can be argued with number 2
2. Scum believe that we think that they poisoned the wine, so they didn't poison it and therefore it is safe to drink. which can be argued with number 1.
It's basicly a flip flop reasoning. Accusing someone of it and defending yourself with it is essentailly bad for your well being.
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@Pablito, interesting question. Technically it's not WIFOM. In a sense, it's part metagaming and playstyle. For instance, rite always dies night one. Since doc knows he's going to die night one, he/she will think scum will go for rite, therefore the doc will protect rite. Same goes with my selfvote. It's like WIFOM logic, but it's really using past experience: metagaming. WIFOM would just be a random 50-50 guess without using any kind of evidence/support. Another example would be Gaspode's earlier post on PBug of being "too eager". It's not WIFOM but simply using metagaming and past experience.
Metagaming and WIFOM are two different things, but distinguishing the two will probably not be easy if your not too famliar with both."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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I think you should at least give your opinion on your own question. Asking how someone thinks about another person while keeping your thoughts private seems kind of intrusive to me.Commodore Amazing wrote:All this discussion on WIFOM is distracting us from lynching PBuG.
@Gaspode - I asked you a question. Any ideas?
*This(as in this post that I wrote) post is contradictory*
Do we need a vote count?"Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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The best case against PBug is that his posts contradict each other. However, I also find sLYph's reaction on the vote count to be far more suspicious. Asking to place a vote seems like he's tellnig us that he's protown and doesn't want to do something wrong. Although not a necesarily bad thing, I find it far too obvious and probably scum trying to brownnose us.
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sLYph is a new? I had no idea. His actions do correlate with being a newbie, but I'm not entirely convinced. Still, I want to think this through a bit. Kain's quick defense to sLYph seems pretty suspicious to me.
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by "quick defense". Are you referring to kain's post not being quick, or that kain's post isn't a defense for sLYph?zu_Faul wrote:unvote
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Random voting after we had quite some discussion? It's not you voted someone before with a reason...
And letting the town choose your target isn't smart. It's also scummy. Maybe the two are related.
FOS: chaotic_diabloI don't see this as a "quick defense" by Kain. Spreading accusations everywhere?
Anyway, being a newbie doesn't necesarily mean the person is a bad player. sLYph should explain himself at least."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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Steve Holt doesn't seem to be a family member, so sLYph can't really be an informant, scum, with that role. Steve is in the show.
The only problem with sLYph's role is that he isn't within the family. Seeing as the SEC wants us to 'discredit' a family member, I can hardly see how Steve could fit into it.
I didn't really do any deep research, so if I'm incorrect that Steve is not a family member, then correct me."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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I have no idea if there will be outside characters. If there are, I'm more inclined to believe they'd be protown.Kain wrote:GOB? translation please. GARY BLUTH? In other words Who's the BLuth?
Diablo I dont think that everyone in this game is necessary a family member. There can/could be supporting characters right?"Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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I'm pretty sure there are enough family members.
GOB, George Sr., Lindsay, Tobias, Michael, Lucille, George Michael, Maeby, and Buster.
And the minor roles:
George Sr's twin brother, Oscar
Lucille's adopted child, Annyong
That's 11 there, only one more to fill the spot, which is Steve.
There might be more, but again, I'm not familiar with the theme."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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I'm sort of confused with Y's accusation on al_ko.I've FoSed him already. With this and rereading his answer to my accusation, I think it is enough for a vote.
For those who don't remember, I asked him why he wanted a No Lynch.
His answer was something about that it will probably end the day that way because of the deadline.
Rereading now, I noticed something: In his first post, he said that we will end in a No Lynch and that could be helpful for the tow because that way we will have more info, but when he responded to my post, he said that No Lynch is something bad that we should try to avoid and asked for a delay in the deadline.
Seems to me like trying not to go against the stream (Same with the sLYph wagon).
Could you quote the evidence your referring to?"Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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Name claiming is a double-edged sword. One reason is because there are times when a the SK needs to kill a certain player in order to have some kind of effect happen. Since an SK is bad, it probably won't help protown.
However, it could also help us. For instance, if a person needs to find someone to form a 'mason' group, then they can immediately just target the person after the mass nameclaim instead of wasting time."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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I say we use the name claim as a last resort. I'm pretty sure that we have other clues to go on, particularly the stuff from day one. Someone go reread it or something and give us the bare details."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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I'm guessing that this is an assumption.Actually, this point has almost nothing to it. The tracker (Probably instead of a cop) and the doc are dead. No one to protect. Except for the scum, of course...
I don't think that the mod is responsible as Y has described. I'm more inclined to believe that it was a delayed lynch. With sLYph having the majority of votes, it could have just been transferred to the next day. We(if not, then just me) had the impression that whoever had the most votes would die, yet it didn't happen. The evidence is pretty slim, but it's a theory we can test on our next lynch."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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We dont' have to necessarily have to no lynch. All we have to do is lynch someone, and since they have the majority of votes, they might get killed the next day instead. So basicly we just continue what we're doing until we decide who we want to lynch.al_kohaulec wrote:
That theory is interesting, and possible, but I believe it's highly unlikely, and I'd rather not risk another no lynch just to test out this theory.chaotic_diablo wrote:
I'm guessing that this is an assumption.Actually, this point has almost nothing to it. The tracker (Probably instead of a cop) and the doc are dead. No one to protect. Except for the scum, of course...
I don't think that the mod is responsible as Y has described. I'm more inclined to believe that it was a delayed lynch. With sLYph having the majority of votes, it could have just been transferred to the next day. We(if not, then just me) had the impression that whoever had the most votes would die, yet it didn't happen. The evidence is pretty slim, but it's a theory we can test on our next lynch."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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In recent events, there is great controversy over how each person died. For instance, Y is suggesting that it could have been from a "modkill". Other examples include a 'delayed lynch' and the possilibities of having 3 scum groups or less.PBuG wrote:Hmm... I should probably post.
Can anyone catch me up? I'm confused and I seriously don't have the time to read through everything.
As of this moment, there is evidence that a double kill isn't pausible because of the 3 different kinds of kill types: discrediting, banana stuffed in the thoat, and implication. However, people are tending to believe and even defend it because it'spossible.
Currently the two with the most attention on them are Y and pablito. They have been arguing the most about this."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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If we get the required number but the person isn't lynched that day, then it proves the theory anyway since he/she'll die the next day. If the theory is correct, it reveals that there are only two killing groups and not three.alko wrote:ok, I see. The only thing is... If we reach the actual number required to lynch, then they're lynched and die. If we don't, then that's when the deadline would hit, and essentially end in a no lynch, but this could possibly prove whether it's true or not. But ya, we should just continue doing what we're doing."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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I prefer not to have a name claim at this point. Even if we did, a dice tag can be easily faked by scum. Just type in the appropriate numbers, bold the right words, and you have the fake roll there.
Nameclaiming doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Many mods take measures to prevent such a thing from breaking the game, so I don't see how it will help correlate kill types to each character. In the most unlikeliest situation, there will be an improbable role and that will screw us over if we take that bait."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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Faking the dice roll isn't as easy as I've said, still, I'd prefer a different alternative if possible.
I'm not sure how a nameclaim would help determine the kill types. Most mods take measures to prevent such a thing from 'breaking' the game so I fail to see how it would help."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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We can have as many power role as a mod wants. We can even have only 3 townies and the rest power roles.
I'd like Pablito to as least flip a coin or something. Participation is one of the key themes in a mafia game. Claiming apathy and indifference sort of ruins the game IMO."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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3 townies, 1 back up cop, 3 masons, 3 scum, 1 cop, 1 doc. There you go, 3 townies, rest power roles. We can switch in the back up with a roleblocker! Or we can switch one of the townies to be an SK. Better yet, a traitor! That logical enough for you?Y wrote:
We can also have 11 mafias. I'm working with logic, not with known numbers.chaotic_diablo wrote:We can have as many power role as a mod wants. We can even have only 3 townies and the rest power roles.
Pablito, I suggested a vote in order to put the mass nameclaim to rest. I agree that discussing it is bogging us down, so as a result, we need to actually do something to finish it off quickly. The sooner we get the votes, the sooner we can get back to the task at hand. If we manage to pull through with the mass nameclaim, then protown will at least profit from it. If not, then you can start some more interesting points against Y from the new information gathered by the votes. So far, I'm not a big fan of Y either for bringing the mass nameclaim up again."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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PBug
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If we get one-two more votes for against, then the nameclaim is officially scrapped."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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Pablito, I'm aware that arranging a name-claim doesn't progress the game further, but there is really nothing for me to add. The game is stalling for a reason and people are not posting anything of use because of it. The best I can come up with is to update the vote count since alko isn't updating it. I've already revealed my position in my last few posts so you can't really say I haven't been trying to make progress.
As far as giving you a bad image, I felt that your own posting is the cause of it."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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Okay fine, your postingpablito wrote:
I cannot deny that. I said "painting a bad image" though, if it makes a difference to you.As far as giving you a bad image, I felt that your own posting is thecauseof it.causedyourself to look bad, and my postworsenedit. Although I disagree with the statement, I'm not about to argue such things since it looks like something you've just thrown together."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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We aren't really getting any progress here, so I'll just state a couple 'concerns' I have.
This post really nags at me because it states that she doesn't really care about the nameclaim, yet she still supports it. If she was scum, then it gives me the feeling that scum has nothing to lose with or without the nameclaim. It's a pretty weak tell, but that's all I can come up with.Mariyta wrote:Mmk. That was a lot to read, but I think I'm caught up. I could care less whether we name claim or not, so I'm gonna vote FOR.
As to scum.... Vote: Pablito He sort of sat in the shadows, popping out every now and then to add his two cents. Once he was even remotely fingered, however, he's all over it and seems really upset. Screams scum to me.
Her second paragraph is sort of correct. Earlier in the game, Pablito has been popping up and down. However, as day two progressed, he's become the most active player so far. Although the hiding in the shadows do not apply to him, the part where he gets upset seems somewhat true to an extent.
Another concern I have is why rite isn't dead. Certainly scum wouldn't want to have a confirmed townie around. There are many possibilities, but I just want to raise that question up.
As for pablito, he has an extensive 'hit list' a of right now. Ths list consists of players he has either fosed or voted: Y, zu_faul, chaotic_diablo, kain, Al_ko, and Pbug. The three who haven't been on his list yet are the two replacements and himself. He's a bit paranoid IMO.
So far, I still haven't not received any explanation of how a name-claim would help us. The argument that we can 'guess' the roles by the name can be used, but such a tactic is highly unlikely and improbable. I stated earlier that town might profit from a nameclaim, but I was assuming that someone else would have an idea what to do with the new information. I really have no idea."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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I doubt that rite was targetted at all. Day one stated that rite was protected, and there was no indication day two. Fritzler's attitude day one seemed to confirm that he protected rite, but I'm not quite sure. In addition, if rite was protected night 2, then we have 4 killing groups, not three. I'm sticking with the 3.
Al_ko did bring up the mass nameclaim, but it sort of died down right up until Y brought it up again. Despite the arguments, there haven't really been anything convincing with the strategy. Out of the 4 that supported it, one just didn't really care. As such, I'm more inclined to believe that the three who supported it might have a connection, though a weak one. I'd like them to give us a reasonable explanation of why we should have gone through with the nameclaim."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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Ignore the "here's what you do part". I was originally going to post the instructions, but midway I thought it was easier to just do it for him.chaotic_diablo wrote:Here's what you do. Your copy the list:
1 Mariyta (replacing gaspode)
2 viper0933 (replacing rite)
3 Y
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6 zu_Faul
Original Roll String: 1d6(STATIC) 1 6-Sided Dice: (2) = 2
If there are no problems or disagreements, Al_ko is up."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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I've been intentionally not posting because I'm having trouble making a decent post that won't lead me to oblivion.
The new info on Pablito seems plausible. Considering that he's one away from being lynched, I'd like a claim. I'm not too confident of this type of reasoning.
AS for the maeby stuff, I'm going to object the scummy stuff made against her since I'm pretty sure she is innocent, and considering that she's my character role."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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I'm having problems with PBug having information on scum because it's part of his role. It's something I want to keep an eye on.
fos PBug
I don't really believe Pablito's role, however, I want to see what others may come up with before something happens. As stated earlier, we're at a point when just by lynching badly will make protown lose."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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Currently, I believe zu_faul's theory on Y. If pablito is a roleblocker, then it would make sense that if he blocked a killer, then there would be no kill. The three kills we had last night might have had a vigilante, so he/she would not have chose a target night one.
Here's my take of post 443 and onward. Mariyta is once again using the name claims as the basis of a lynch, but it's not really effective as Pablito was found not guilty when we tried it.
I'm not quite sure what led Mariyta to believe that Y was protown, but I've seen no evidence that may prove it whatsoever. From what I've seen, Y could not deny or prove Pablito's claims. Using hindsight, it looked more like Y was poking around for information. If Y was blocked, there would be no reason to ask for flavor. If he wasn't, then he would know that Pablito was lying.
Followed by that, Y exaggerated that zu_faul had been 'after' him the entire game and that he 'jumped' immediately on Mariyta. It didn't seem that way to me.
When asked why we should have done a mass nameclaim, Y replied that there were numerous 'advantages and disadvantages' accompanying it. However, he was not really specific. So far, the only 'plausible' evidence of an advantage was explained by al_ko. I still don't see the 'numerous and 'many' advantages.
Pablito's role seems plausible for the theme, but I'd rather rely on more compelling evidence. I dont' see any reason to lynch him at this point.
vote YI haven't voted in a while.
Note: I didn't go back to reread, so if I'm wrong about somethings, then correct me."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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Mariyta wrote:I am using the name claims, because I don't have much else to go off of. I have looked back over previous posts, and the name claims, coupled w/ peoples' responses and whatnot, I feel zu_faul is the best lynch for today. Our doctor was killed, which makes me a bit nervous. I would rather make the right lynch, than waste it on a non-informant (aka: scum).
I can understand that you are using the name claims to back your accusations. However, the point is that you tried it and it didn't work out as well as you thought. Twice now you've been wrong. When you suspected maeby would be scum, al_ko came up and disproved it. When we got the nameclaim from Pablito, we had information to back up his theme. Now I don't see how doing it again will help us. Picking out the people who are most likely to be scum because of the nameclaims doesn't seem like a great idea."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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I don't want to ask questions, I want a defense. I feel that making you search for information would provide more pressure for you, and therefore less work for me. I've raised three points against you to refute.Y wrote:C_D, could you point out exactly what you want to know? I have no problem answering any questions."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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I don't 'ignore', I miss them because I'm attempting to post.Mariyta wrote:By the way, I love how you completely ignored Y's attempt to answer any questions you have.
I've read your posts clearly. The only problem I have is that you fail to tell us whatI said I feel zu_faul is the best lynch based on his reactions and previous scummy posts.... If you can't see that, maybe you are protecting him for some reason....
Now that I think about it, you were on my "list" as well... Hmm.... Very interesting....kindof reactions convinced you. I'm not going to spend time rereading the thread just to find information that I don't find scummy. I need you to help convince me ofwhythose posts are scummy. Aside from that, I don't see any difference from what you've done before and what your doing now.
Yes, I am on your list. I'm Maeby, the role you suspected as 'guranteed' scum. Since I know I'm not scum, I could care less if I'm on your list or not. It only further proves my point.
I'm certain that my arguments supporting zu_faul is far more suspicious than your, let's say, few pages of support for Y."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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You missed the point. Your asking me to look back and go through pages of info that I don't find scummy because I don't agree with your line of thinking. As a result, there is no point in looking back since my opinion will not change.Mariyta wrote:C_d, if you refuse to take a look for yourself, I'm not going to bother trying to "sum it up" for you. Put in a little effort.
In my opinion, I feel that even you have forgotten what you based your accusations on.
I don't believe people receive pms when they are blocked. Then again, I've never been blocked before.Y wrote:I didn't receive any PM about being blocked. If I would have said so before I ask for flavour, pablito could have made up whatever he wanted, knowing we can't prove it wrong. We can't anyway, but I wanted to limit his options and create a possibility for mistakes in case he's lying.
I can't approve or deny being role-blocked, so we have only what pablito said. It sounds plausible.
I'm not convinced with your explanation. Even if you tried to limit his options, you could not disprove any of it. As a result, whatever he said would go anyway. It seemed more like a useless effort to me.
Y wrote:About zu_Faul following me:
pablito noticed it too. First, actually. He was the one that said he thinks we're both scum or masons because the way of the way he agreed with me.
After unvoting pablito, he jumps on the first one to point at him. Mariyta's post had nothing concrete in it and it could have been ignored or answered easily. z_F decided to fos.
In the same post he mentions the blocked-NK thing, yet doesn't vote nor fos me. Mariyta? Much more scummy for sure...
If I'm correct, Mariyta has been pointing fingers against him for quite a while. If zu_faul failed to respond to her previous 'idle' statements, then why respond to the one she made now? In my belief, there is something much more that constituted an fos while yours did not.
Pablito claimed that he was in a joking manner when he said both you and zu_faul were scum or masons together. I can't deny that Pablito suspected zu_faul, but there is little evidence that he supported you for most of the game.
Y wrote:First of all we had the deaths that looked like the roles fit the character. So it was a pro.
I also said that the name claim was not as important as the vote. Why would some one want to remain anonymous? That was when you decided to switch sides, by the way. Could you tell me why you were so eager to prove that you don't mind the name claim?
Just something to remember.
We had roles that fit the character in ways we didn't comprehend until it happened. It's similiar to getting the answer to the riddle from someone else, then realizing how it fit with the question.
The reason why someone would remain anonymous is because as stated earlier, they become big targets, both for the Sk and scum. There are other reasons, but I'd rather not state them.
You exagerate that I was 'eager' when I clearly was not. I voted against it up until discussion started to dwindle.
Another explanation is that no one lied. As a result, we just lost the game of 'outguessing the mod'. The good part is that scum probably won't find the power roles as easily as they think.Y wrote:We also had the possibility to get some one counterclaimed, which didn't happen (Although we think some one got away with a lie).
The biggest con, by the way, was that the mafia could find out the power roles. If the names are useless, it won't help the scum either.
If you were scum, then why would I make myself do work? Makes more sense to make you do it instead of me.Please read before you send me to look up for things I said in the last page or two. I feel that making me search for information instead of reading stuff on your own, is extra work for me.
Please read what I say before you accuse me of anything. Thank you."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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[quote="Y']I had two options: Let him know he can say whatever he wants and make him think he should be careful. On my side it isn't relevant which one I choose, but on his side it might get us something. Whatever info or mishap we can get is good.[/quote]
Which brings me to the point, your poking for information. You've attempted to gain information in numerous ways. First is the name claim. Second is your useless attempt to 'limit' his choice. Third is when you attempted to bring up the nameclaim discussion again. The fourth is in your post where you suggested that I might have been hiding something:
I don't have a reason to hide myself, but I'm more inclined to believe that there are others who will. My role is related to nameclaiming and although I'm not harmed from it, it is not always the case for everyone else, hence why I was against it.Y wrote:Do you have a good reason for yourself. Interesting. Any one wishes to try and guess what it is?
I'm not saying Mariyta's accusations are baseless(although it's true), I'm saying that zu_faul failed to respond to Mariyta's previous idle statements as proven when she constantly referred back to her 'list'. zu_faul's difference in reaction might suggest that something is going on.y wrote:What you're saying is similar to what I'm saying: Mariyta's accusations have no basis. A "Could you please explain why do you think I'm scum? Your reasoning has no basis" would work better than a "I'm tired of you" FOS.
In the other hand, his accusation about me do have something to them. You voted based on them. Why would he FOS her and not me? Except for her being an easier target, of course.
zu_faul's reaction reflects mine as I'm tired of her constantly refering to her 'list' and using it as a BS reason to investigate those people. I'm not a fan of McCarthyism.
I voted based on my own reasons, as you can see in my post.
Then you can rightly say that Pablito's exageration is still to my point. You claimed that zu_faul was constantly dogging you. Now that Pablito just 'exagerated' his statement, then it was just a quick assumption.Y wrote:He wasn't joking. He didn't mean what he was saying, it wasn't a joke. It was an exaggeration.
Yes. I exaggerated on that matter. But you did see a pattern for those voting against the name-claim. You said so yourself.
Some one (Was it PBuG?) mentioned that a name appeared on his role PM. Either some one lied about his his name, or the one who told us about the PM is lying. We have a lier anyway, we just need to find who it is.
No, I didn't say I saw a pattern in the name-claim. Could you go back and pick out the post? I went back and didn't see any evidence of it.
You know better than to trust anything anyone claims. PBug is a player and therefore still capable of being scum. The part that he even has information on scum implanted in his role already suggests that he might be lying. Why might he lie? Because we are at a lynch or lose situation and anything that can lead us astray is good for scum."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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That's a while back. However, it does not suggest that I found a pattern. It simply states that we have nothing better to go on.Y wrote:
This is what I'm refering to.chaotic_diablo wrote:I'd like to switch my vote for the nameclaim.There's been less activity from the non-supportersthat I doubt we will get anywhere.
First, the information Y attempted to gather had to deal with roles. I have no problems gathering information on other topics.Y wrote:C_D, how you play this game, I don't understand. First, no one is allowed to try to gather information? Um, how are we supposed to determine anything if we don't gather information? Second, yes, I have a list. I write down those I think are suspect. I'm sure everyone else does to, they just don't post their list. Get off it. The more you talk, the more I think you could be scum.
Second, I'm not going to let up because you want to. Yes, others have lists as well, but they don't constantly refer back to it and hint at our suspicion without proof. When they start picking on you, you bring it out and start 'investigating' their past posts. I still haven't seen any of this 'investigation' being done. So far, you've based most of your opinion on me for what I have recently said, not what I have done in the past.
I don't see any of my posts as untrue. I simply see people stating that it is untrue. Could you tell me to what extent how I have been untruthful?"Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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And that proves that I'm scum and subject to suspicion.Mariyta wrote:
That's cause you really didn't say much before.So far, you've based most of your opinion on me for what I have recently said, not what I have done in the past."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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O right, sorry. I meant to write mariyta, but I wrote Y instead because of all the Y posts I was quoting earlier.Y wrote:
I didn't say it. It was Mariyta.chaotic_diablo wrote:Y wrote:C_D, how you play this game, I don't understand. First, no one is allowed to try to gather information? Um, how are we supposed to determine anything if we don't gather information? Second, yes, I have a list. I write down those I think are suspect. I'm sure everyone else does to, they just don't post their list. Get off it. The more you talk, the more I think you could be scum.
@ Kain: Ok. It does fit beter to the sentence..."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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The day is going to end in another no lynch if we can't decide soon. As for me, I don't want to lynch someone without getting the claim. Otherwise we could have just lynched Pablito from the beginning.
So we have a couple of options
1. Lynch Pablito
2. Lynch kain, CD, or zu_faul without a claim
3. No lynch
4. Waste time
5. Any late suggestions from anyone else"Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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