Mini 306: Arrested Development: Game over

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Vote: al_kohaulec

because it takes effort to spell your name.

You

want

to be lynched? ;P

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Kain probably doesn't know for sure. A lot of games have 3, and a lot have two, he might have just chosen three. But, just in case,

FoS: Kain

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Kain probably doesn't know for sure. A lot of games have 3, and a lot have two, he might have just chosen three. But, just in case,

FoS: Kain

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Defending him before he did so for himself. He sounded pretty sure.

FOS: PBuG.

I've just played through too many unjustified Day 1 lynches for my liking (yes, most of them were mine, but who cares )

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Unvote; Vote: Kain

That was surprisingly overdefensive...

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FOS: PBug

--you defend Kain and then jump on him? I didn't even think the post was that overly defensive. It seemed more like a misinterpretation of posts than anything.

Also: C_D seems quite desperate to avoid a confrontation with al_k. Somewhat scummy.

Seeing no reason to change my vote as of now. While no one seems terribly scummy yet, C_D's self-voting kind of annoys me, and scum often try to play it safe, so it'll stay with him for now.

It seemed overly defensive to

me

, anyway. I thought the whole 'I'd only know that if blah blah blah' was too defensive.

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I was probably wrong to defend him in the first place. But I thought people were blowing it out of proportion. But I

personally

viewed part of post 28 as too defensive.

Unvote: Kain

because I guess I was a bit too eager to vote him.

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Heh. I just noticed PBuG's title. I forgot all about that, although I guess some things never change.

Umm... *covers up the scum part and writes 'extremely protown'* ... j/k.

I know a bit about the show but not too much. I know enough about the main characters to understand.

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There are 10 family members, so I don't think they're all in the game. I think if anybody would turn on the family, it would be Lucille, the wife/mom/grandmother.

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By the by: the fact that I was targetted last night strongly suggests to me that at least one of the Mafia is someone who has been on this board long enough to have played with me, and know my reputation as getting killed night one. In this game, that includes Gaspode, PBug, and chaotic_diablo

. There might be one or two more of you that I just can't remember.

Just something to keep in mind

Or it could have been someone noticing that you're one of the earlier, more experienced players. I've been targetted at least once before (and I found this out from the targetter if I remember correctly) that I was once NKed because of being one of the most experienced. I used to do that as mafia, but I stopped when I realized that newbies aren't neccessarialy less expecienced.

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By the by: the fact that I was targetted last night strongly suggests to me that at least one of the Mafia is someone who has been on this board long enough to have played with me, and know my reputation as getting killed night one. In this game, that includes Gaspode, PBug, and chaotic_diablo

. There might be one or two more of you that I just can't remember.

Just something to keep in mind

Or it could have been someone noticing that you're one of the earlier, more experienced players. I've been targetted at least once before (and I found this out from the targetter if I remember correctly) that I was once NKed because of being one of the most experienced. I used to do that as mafia, but I stopped when I realized that newbies aren't neccessarialy less expecienced.

unvote: zu_faul, vote: PBuG

I don't like how he's explaining how he wouldn't have done stuff if he were mafia.

From my read, Kain and Gaspode don't seem to be scum. Gaspode, do you have any idea if Y is scum or not?

Just commenting off of experience...

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Wine in front of me.

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Sigh. It's just a freaking moose.

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Vote: Commodore Amazing

You seem to want nothing more than to lynch me.

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Vote: Commodore Amazing

You seem to want nothing more than to lynch me.

is there a problem with that?

Yes! There's always a problem with lynching town!

Kain, when will you explain your hunch?

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Just realized why people were voting for sLyph, amazing I didn't notice it before...

Vote: sLYph

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i seriously need to work on my playing skils...

why kill PBuG?
I wish i could say...i've learned to trust my hunches, and i'm getting a major hunch to kill PBuG. i know that explanation really sucks, but it's all i have. i know the difference between a serious hunch and a general feeling of distrust, like what i have with kain, so even if you lynch me today, i know you should just trust me and lynch PBuG tomorrow; you'll have seen that i have no reason to lie...i really am a townie (by the way, logicticus said my character

actually

is on the show...i guess i just don't know who he is...)
now i know that the odds for yall lynching PBuG instead of me are remote at best now, i guess i'll go figure out what my death post'll be...

Um, claim?

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sLYph... *presses prod button* Er... *presses prod button impatiently* GAH! *presses prod button multiple times*

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GOB is pronounced Jobe.

There aren't enough family members to fill the game...

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I'll guess Lucille, Annyong, and George Sr. could be a mafia.

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I don't know much about it either, but I know enough to know Lucille would sell out her family, and the other two are just people who I think would work with Lucille.

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it makes sense to me

unvote, Vote: kain

WTF? Your vote makes no sense.

Vote: Fritzler

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Agreed, I guess. This day has gone long enough, and my head hurts.

Unvote, Vote sLYph

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Hmm... I should probably post.

Can anyone catch me up? I'm confused and I seriously don't have the time to read through everything.

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Hmm... I should probably post.

Can anyone catch me up? I'm confused and I seriously don't have the time to read through everything.

In recent events, there is great controversy over how each person died. For instance, Y is suggesting that it could have been from a "modkill". Other examples include a 'delayed lynch' and the possilibities of having 3 scum groups or less.

As of this moment, there is evidence that a double kill isn't pausible because of the 3 different kinds of kill types: discrediting, banana stuffed in the thoat, and implication. However, people are tending to believe and even defend it because it's

possible

.

Currently the two with the most attention on them are Y and pablito. They have been arguing the most about this.

Okay...

Vote: Y

because of the modkill suggestion. Banana would probably mean George or George Michael could be a vig or SK, in my opinion. I think for the three kills, a one-shot vig, an SK, and mafia is possible, but I'm not trying to outguess the mod, just speculating.

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I wouldn't be opposed to a name claim. Who should decide order?

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I'm semi-main.

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I like the random start and choosing who goes next. It worked well in a previous game I played.

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Or if we have someone who is proven innocent (or the person most believed to be innocent) could make the claim order.

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I'm not arguing, just suggesting, I never said I disapprove of a dice roll.

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@PBuG, who claimed that you were arguing? I don't get your last post.

Oh, I must have just misunderstood you. Sorry.

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Gah... I'm against a name claim after think about it thuroughly. Although my role personally wouldn't be a problem to name claim, we might have power roles that could be very clear to the mafia once they know who's who.

We really need to kick this up.

Vote: Y, FoS: zu_faul

Because, as pablito said, three pages of filler crap and you haven't bothered to unvote.

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Unvote: Y

*sigh* I'm confused and back to square one. How long has this day been so far?

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Bump over locked topics.

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Also, I've been very busy lately, so I haven't had time to review over specific posts or anything, so when I get ample time again to contribute, it might take me a while to review over some of the posts.

You say you're busy, yet you manage to post a count of who's for and against a name claim every few posts. I'm ot sure if this is a good basis for a vote, so I'll wait, but I'm tired of waiting very long.

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I think I'll change my vote as well. We need more activity. I guess I'm not one to talk, but whatever.

I'm Buster Bluth.

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Original Roll String: 1d8

1 8-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

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chaotic_diablo is first.

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But now we have begun, we have to get it through the end.

FOS: PBug

for putting his will over the town.

Both myself and c_d changed our votes. Even if I hadn't, there still would have been a roleclaim, so I decided to go first because we never settled what method we would use. It wasn't me putting my will over the town, it was me trying to prevent another argument of how to claim.

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Hmm... I don't know. Someone has to be lying because I don't see how Lucille isn't in this game.

pablito, who is Marta Estrella?

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Whoppingly large FoS: pablito

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I'm also looking at PBuG (Buster). Buster may have inferiority issues that would cause him to turn on his family.....

I actually have reason to believe that at least one person is lying because my role flavor indicates that Lucille is in the game and scum. That's why earlier I proposed that Lucille, if in the game, is scum.

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I'm also looking at PBuG (Buster). Buster may have inferiority issues that would cause him to turn on his family.....

I actually have reason to believe that at least one person is lying because my role flavor indicates that Lucille is in the game and scum. That's why earlier I proposed that Lucille, if in the game, is scum.

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I'm confused now. I don't know who might be scum, since noone name claimed Lucille.

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Vote: chaotic_diablo

I feel best lynching him today. He seems to be trying to come up with reasons to have Y lynched, when I don't see anything valid. We can lynch zu_faul tomorrow, as I see him as being next.

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Of course, if we actually don't have a Lucille in the game, then it makes what PBug claimed look curious. So I am interested in how his role hints at Lucille being scum.

All I can really say is my role hints at Lucille = scum, more than that could be role-quoting.

c_d, you completely ignored my vote for you. Good job.

Confirm vote.

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Of course, if we actually don't have a Lucille in the game, then it makes what PBug claimed look curious. So I am interested in how his role hints at Lucille being scum.

All I can really say is my role hints at Lucille = scum, more than that could be role-quoting.

c_d, you completely ignored my vote for you. Good job.

Confirm vote.

ok, I can see that. But if you believe your role, I don't see why you wouldn't believe my role when it hints at Maeby being town.

Because I didn't see that.

Unvote: c_d

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I honestly can believe it for now.

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I really dont' know what to think about anyone, except that you're

awfully

anti-zu_faul. You're determined to convince that he's scum. But we don't have much to go on. I think we might have to no lynch, and get some insight tomorrow, but that could be a bit too risky.

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Wow. Okay, then. I apologize for not trusting Mariyta about zu_faul. I just didn't think that it was enough to warrant a vote.

Vote: Y

pablito has mentioned countless times that he thinks Y and zu_faul are mafia together. zu_faul was mafia, so Y is the next logcial step in my opinion.

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Ah, ok. But I'm keeping my vote because of a) the possibility of an Oscar and George scum group and b) Kain's clue from Mariyta.

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Unvote

Wait. Hold on. Why would Mariyta send a clue to Kain? It would make more sense if it was a player with the role of Tobias. The evidence aginst Y is pretty shaky, but Kain hasn't contributed to the game all that much. I used the display posts by ___ feature to find Kain's name claim, and there wasn't very much useful content.

Vote: Kain

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Meanwhile, Tobias and Lindsay variously seek legal help from Bob Loblaw concerning their troubled marriage.

Disturbed by both Lindsay's and Tobias's advances, Bob Loblaw chooses to no longer represent the Bluth family. Attorney Jan Eagleman offers to represent the family, on the condition that they participate in a mock trial in a new reality courtroom show, presided over by Judge Reinhold.

Someone clarify what this portion in wikipedia means.

Well, Bob Loblaw is an attorney, and Tobias and Lindsay hire him, but they both hit on him so he quits. I think that's what it means.

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Confirm vote: Kain

W.T.F.

You're twisting everything that Y is saying to get him lynched. Half of the things you're saying is modifying the things that Y actually says and half of it is straight out of your ass.

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Vote Count Mod

Okay Im flabbergasted that yall are not understanding things. I've made my some points and I could make some more but im not going to...im done banging my head against the wall here. If I am lynched at least Ill have the pleasure of seeing my NAME in the death scene and listed as pro town. Then you will know I was right about Y....and then I'll get bragging rights at the end of the game....TOLD YALL SO lol!

Most of your points are based on things that Y didn't actually say, but that you twisted his words into saying.

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Er, that doesn't work. Mariyta was a cop, not a role cop. She wouldn't know if someone was Annyong.

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I think three is a safe assumption, seeing as we've lynched a mafia member and we almost definitely have an SK.

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Y'know, the more I think about, the more convinced I am that Kain has to be scum. He's convinced that Y is scum and has twisted his words way too much. I believe my vote is still on Kain, but if it isn't,

unvote, vote Kain

.

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I'm pretty sure Y is town

I'm pretty sure Y is town

Those are only

two

of her posts saying she thought Y was town, so why would she investigate him?

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I don't get why Mari would even give a clue to Kain anymore. I'm willing to hammer Kain, but...umm...vote count. And I must've passed over the part where it was Mari that gave the clue. But it really just doesn't make sense. I believed it before when it was mod given, but not so much anymore.

@PBuG - you have a point about Mari not being a role cop. But I don't get why you've been jumping between Y and Kain today. Then again, I've done the same, so I really shouldn't point it out. In fact, pretty much everyone has gone betwen Y and Kain, so...yeah. dead end.

At first I thought that Kain was pro-town because the clue that he gave just came out of nowhere. and I didn't think scum would gambit that. But the more I've thought about it, the more likely I see Kain as scum.

Kain should role claim like now.

And I'm still

very

uneasy about al_kohaulec for trying to lead the town into a plan regarding both Kain and Y. Trying to direct the vigilante is not good at all.

Okay. I think I know Kain's role now. I'll give my speculation later after the claim.

Erm, I only voted of Y immediately after Kain mentioned his "clue", since then I've been decidedly anti-Kain.

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I've never been going with the flow, I voted for Y and then I unvpted and voted for Kain a few posts later, and I'm almost sure I've had a vote on Kain since.

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You keep saying I've been going with the flow the entire time, when I've been very anti-Kain since I voted him. I think Kain is the lynch for today.

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Unvote

Wait. Hold on. Why would Mariyta send a clue to Kain? It would make more sense if it was a player with the role of Tobias. The evidence aginst Y is pretty shaky, but Kain hasn't contributed to the game all that much. I used the display posts by ___ feature to find Kain's name claim, and there wasn't very much useful content.

Vote: Kain

Since then I've been voting Kain.

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Kain has been far more scummy and pablito has contributed more.

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I think we

should

lynch Kain. Nobody has been scummier. Yes, pablito has been scummy, but Kain has been scummier. If Kain is lynched and revealed as town, then pablito would definitely be the next lynch, and I would vote him.

Does anyone other than c_d agree that I should claim? And, c_d, if not Kain, then who?

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I think we

should

lynch Kain. Nobody has been scummier. Yes, pablito has been scummy, but Kain has been scummier. If Kain is lynched and revealed as town, then pablito would definitely be the next lynch, and I would vote him.

Does anyone other than c_d agree that I should claim? And, c_d, if not Kain, then who?

Can you back up your statements that Kain is the scummiest?

My gut tells me Y is the best lynch. The secondary one would be Pablito, followed by kain.

Kain seems to be 100% determined to lynch Y. For a while, Kain twisted almost every single one of Y's recent posts to make him look like scum when he didn't even say what Kain said he did.


Time for me to claim. As I have previously told you, I am Buster. I am basically a hider. I am hiding because I discovered my mother had evil intentions and I no longer felt safe. Night 1, I hid behind Mariyta. Night 2, I hid behind pablito. So, I know that pablito is town, because if a hider hides with scum, they are killed. Of course, it is possible I just can't hide behind my mother, but I doubt it.

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1.

I am hiding because I discovered my mother had evil intentions and I no longer felt safe.

2. I said Mariyta because when I refer to replaced people I usually use their replacement's name instead.
3. That's because we didn't have a Night 3, we had a Night 0, and I forgot so I didn't check my choice. I hid behind you, c_d.

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The mafia attempted to kill rite Night 0.

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PBuG - do you need to choose to hide behind someone every night or did you just decide to do it every single time? You aren't necessarily the biggest target, so I think if you didn't have to do it every night, then what you did wasn't the best course of action. Secondly - please explain why you chose the people you did. I can understand hiding with Gaspode/Mariyta but why me?

Yes, I am required to hide. I hid behind you because I thought hiding behind the same person twice in a row is dangerous, and I didn't really find you all that scummy, but scummy enough that I didn't think you'd be NKed.

c_d, I already told you my choice for N0. It was you.

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Seemingly, I find it impossible that PBug can send in a choice N0, then forget to check it until D3. If he had, then he wouldn't have voted me yesterday and get al_ko to contradict him. However, as impossible as it is, I'm not that surprised. Thanks for clearing that up PBug.

I forgot there was a night 0

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Confirm Vote: Kain

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[04] No quoting my or others PM's. No paraphrasing of winning conditions either.

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No, I'm not backing you up, dumbass. I'm pointing out how ridiculous dissing the mod was.

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5. Kain

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Why are you assuming I am female when the symbol under my avatar is clearly the male symbol? I've verified c_d, who is a claimed mason, Mariyta, who is a confirmed cop, and pablito, who is a claimed roleblocker.

I've never really viewed the hider role as a cop simply because a scum result = death.

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I am now sure Kain is scum.

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Ooh, ooh, me! There's a lack of needed content, and this day is going on too long!

Mod, may we have a spiffy new deadline?

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Here, how about this, after the new viper claims, and if is isn't clearly BS: we lynch Kain, who I agree is probably the SK. The only way I could be lying and the masons are scum is if I am the SK, so if Kain

is

the SK, I can't be. Therefore, I am either town, which means I'm not lying and the masons

are

masons, or I am mafia, which means that they can't be mafia so they must be truthful. If we lynch Kain, we could probably verify the masons and possibly myself (although that wouldn't make you 100% sure about me).

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I have revealed all three of my targets, what are you talking about? I forgot there was a night 0, and I corrected my mistake later. That's also why I did not hide behind c_d twice (N0 and N2), because (and I don't know if this is normal for a hider) I cannot hide behind the same person twice in a row. If I remember correctly from the last tme I was a hider (Pixar Mafia, methinks), if I hide behind scum they kill me instead of their target, so if I target mafia and we lynch the SK (KAIN), I will be the only death. I will, if you don't lynch me (and I understand why I'm a lynch candidate), target Y, and doing so will tell you who the last scum is.

As I've said, whether I am scum or not, lynching Kain, who I am 95% sure is the SK, will 100% clear the two masons.

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Mistake in the above post: "lynching Kain, who I am 95% sure is the SK" should be "lynching the SK, who I am 95% sure is Kain".

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*patiently waits for pablito* I don't see why mafia wouldn't kill, seeing as chances are there are two mafia members left, and that means they're close to a win.

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So... Pretty obvious what was the intntion: More kills, more chances to nail scum. They probably didn't like the idea.

We got the SK yesterday (Happy me). I guess my logic does have something in it...

I don't like PBuG's 'Role'.

FoS PBuG.

Should have seen this.

You seem to be making an assumption that mafia didn't kill rather than pablito couldn't have blocked a kill. Why is that?

Y, my role is a hider, and it's been used before. I can't say the same about yours, but I believe it.

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I decided not to because Kain was scum. Instead, I hid behind spectrum.

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It is convenient to "hide" behind a more or less confirmed townie, leaving a window of opportunities to lynch another townie.
Why would you confirm a 99% confirmed player instead of confirming another one (Or revealing scum)?

Vote PBuG.

I really didn't want to be NKed, and I think you're most likely to be scum right now (although I can see why not targetting you seems scummy).

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I didn't target someone I targetted before... I've targetted c_d, then Mariyta, then pablito, then spectrum.

Vote: Y

because of the roleblock.

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I didn't target rite or anyone who replaced him until last night, what are you talking about?

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I just read c_d's post and a question raised: How can it be, statistically, that since the beginning of the game, PBuG checked almost everybody of us and almost no one of the ones killed by now?

Just dumb luck that the only one I targetted who later died is Mariytaspode.

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Unvote; Vote: PBuG

Whatev. Congrats, scum.

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I don't really care. I'm getting lynched. I know spectrum unvoted, and I'm waiting for someone to just go ahead and hammer me. I know it'll happen.

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I don't really have anything against me that can be defended. What people are saying is true, and I'm not gonna lie to save myself. I've made some bad decisions. You know if I'm lynched and I'm town, Y is scum.

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I'm not lurking, I'm waiting to be lynched.

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I phail. I just... phail.

pablito, I'm sorry, I thought you knew I was the GF o.o

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But honestly, I phailed in this game.