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Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:59 pm

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First!

And now, sleep.
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Post Post #7 (isolation #1) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:05 pm

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Please tell me that's a fake daykill.

If it isn't, congrats, you just became today's lynch I think..

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Post Post #17 (isolation #2) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:19 pm

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Because you're taking a Day-Shot that may, depending on mechanics, end the day.

Doesn't matter. Scum know who other Scum are on their team.
Town are the uninformed majority, "knowing something we don't" is being an informed minority. The informed minority are the scum teams.
Negative Utilities are Town too, and can be directed in most cases I've seen.
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Post Post #19 (isolation #3) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:20 pm

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VOTE: SK

Very nice catch, tclawren. I hereby dub you Sir tclawren of the Falcon's Eye.
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Post Post #25 (isolation #4) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:25 pm

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I wasn't aware that Argalev was the single Town house. I assumed that other houses were loyal to me, and therefore were not considered a threat to my kin.
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Post Post #27 (isolation #5) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:29 pm

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Then give them.

Let's say a nice round figure of five. Give five good pro-Town reasons to use a Day-Shot in the second non-Moderator post in the game.

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Post Post #31 (isolation #6) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:34 pm

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SK claimed Scum the minute he said that Argelev were the Scum faction. The VT role PM clearly states that Argelev are the Town. Even though I did not notice that we were the main loyal faction, my first post after SK's entry was an effective Argelev claim.

For this simple fact, though I admit to skimming my Role PM apart from the relevant role and my flavour, I cannot be Scum.
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Post Post #40 (isolation #7) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:42 pm

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1: Day-vig neighbour? Unlikely. Extremely unlikely.
2: Requires N0 action.
3: Requires either Role-Cop, Neighbourhood or Mason. The latter two are possible but unlikely given the first point.
4: That would make you scum too, as I have never, ever ever ever ever seen a Mod hand Town a Scum name beyond Town-Scum Lovers pairs.
5: Bullshit reason.

That's 5/5 that weren't good reasons. Try again.

Pedit: Magua - Read what I said. Depending on mechanics, I've seen Daykills work both ways, both ending the day and not. It depends on the mod's personal style, if the day ends, he's tomorrow's lynch, if it doesn't, and his target flips anything other than bulletproof godfather ninja poisoner, he's deprived Town of what could have been a particularly valuable resource (Essentially a free lynch, or anti-CC tool.)
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Post Post #42 (isolation #8) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:48 pm

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Noone else claim Loyalist. For the love of god stop.. claim House, not Loyalist, Loyalist is a VT claim.
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Post Post #45 (isolation #9) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:55 pm

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In post 0, Wraith wrote:
Your role is
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Read that.

Your ROLE is LOYALIST.

That's the sample VT PM. Loyalists are VTs according to that, therefore by having people claim Loyalist, it narrows the pool of TPRs.
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Post Post #47 (isolation #10) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:00 pm

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If his accusation of Argelev was not enough for you, that should be the final nail. Sleepy is Scum, and has pulled that to narrow the pool for his faction to shoot at. -_-
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Post Post #49 (isolation #11) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:07 pm

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Did you read the sample PM?

It clearly states, your Role is Loyalist.

Sample VT PM says Loyalist, that rather means that Loyalist = VT.
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Post Post #51 (isolation #12) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:14 pm

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I'm still waiting for someone to disprove the rather obvious fact that the first post clearly states that Loyalists are VTs.
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Post Post #53 (isolation #13) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:21 pm

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Yes, and yet they're denying it. Which to my mind, stinks of continuing to try to draw out further VT claims. And given SKs "Victory Dance" post immediately after I pointed this fact out, I take that as a scumclaim from him, frankly. There is no pro-town reason to out VT claims on D1.
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Post Post #58 (isolation #14) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:30 pm

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How precisely does pedantry over "extremely unlikely" not equalling "impossible" disprove the fact that the first post, by the mod, in the VT sample PM, the Role distinctly marked as the VT role, is Loyalist?
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Post Post #61 (isolation #15) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:33 pm

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And note, I never actually used the word "impossible". I referred to things being "extremely unlikely", so twisting my words is yet another mark on your book.

And why claim? Are you seriously trying to out a claim at something like 4 votes?
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Post Post #72 (isolation #16) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:43 pm

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And yet again, Sleepy completely dodges the point.

Sleepy, quote the part you are disproving the fact that Loyalist is marked in the Mod Post as the sample PM. If you cannot, then you are quite clearly rolefishing, and continuing to attempt outing VT claims.

I'm dodging no points. You claimed a bullshit daykill for zero reason. If it were true, you were not only taking a completely fucking blind shot in the dark, you were depriving Town of a strong PR, that could have been used to settle CC situations or as an extra lynch that, depending on mechanics, is a Town-Controlled, unblockable kill stacking with the lynch.

PEdit: No, that sentence reads "That's 5 of 5 reasons that weren't good reasons. Care to try again?"

SleepyKrew wrote:
David, you said the scenarios were unlikely. That is not the same as impossible.


You implied that I was claiming each scenario was impossible, when I was not. You are attempting to misrepresent what I said, and are continuing to do so.

PEdit2: Otolia - Do you know if that daykill was real? If it is, was this a neighbourhood?

PEdit3: Nero, there was less than a minute between his post and my vote on SK with light joke directed at tclaw. Are you claiming I could firstly see his post, format a vote, and type all that in a matter of a few seconds.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #17) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:00 pm

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Otolia, is SleepyKrew bringing personal issues from another game into this one?

Nero: I was under the impression you meant the post directly above mine.

Yes, my vote was influenced by tclawren pointing that out. I am of House Argelev, but the wording of my PM suggests that other factions are loyal to Argelev, which JDGA's post has confirmed for me.

There was one minute between my post #17, and my vote. This was because I didn't both reading the posts on the preview page before I had already posted it. When I did, that is when I saw tclawren's post referring to the sample role PM.

Also, it's 5am. I'll be going to sleep very, very soon, got distracted with this argument.. if I stop responding, I'm asleep and will get back to you when I awake.
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Post Post #80 (isolation #18) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:01 pm

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both = bother*
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Post Post #85 (isolation #19) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:16 pm

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How precisely did I "sheep tcl over a fake kill"?

You just proved that you didn't read the thread. You just sheeped onto my wagon.

Otolia > How can some of the Loyalists have abilities, and yet they're directly listed in the first post as not having abilities?

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Post Post #91 (isolation #20) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:22 pm

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Fair enough. I am not a Loyalist, I am an Argelev. I assumed because of the wording "Your Role is Loyalist" that Loyalists were VTs, to a man.

SK > So much for your childish "ignoring". Regardless, look at the sample PM. Tell me that it does not say "Your Role is Loyalist". And then states that they have no special powers.

PEdit: Okay, so now I am officially confused. Either way. If you feel the need to claim, claim HOUSE only.

Pedit2: Okay. Thanks for clearing that up kdowns. I stand by my point there that the sample PM is misleading in that respect.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #21) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:34 pm

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His claim is something we can verify tonight. We now know we have a N1 shot to direct as we see fit. That's a good thing. Better than him taking it wildly.

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Post Post #103 (isolation #22) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:03 pm

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To clarify.

I am a member of the House of Argalev. I am not a Loyalist, I am of the house itself. I come from the West, where I was trapped due to the last War.

PEdit: Bogre. He specifically said "What if", "What if", et cetera. Those were directed responses.
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Post Post #105 (isolation #23) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:06 pm

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@MOD: Can you confirm that in the case of PRs, it can follow the format of "You are Loyalist (Insert Role Name)"?

This is unclear in the sample PM.
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Post Post #110 (isolation #24) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:12 pm

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Otolia > If there's a specific part you are interested in, particularly if it's flavour related, I can doubtless paraphrase it. I'd run whatever I post in that respect past Wraith first though.

Magua > Given that SK and Otolia have/had an issue that actually arose in the signup thread, it was perfectly reasonable in my eyes that, had he drawn the role, he'd do something like that to spite Otolia. I fail to see how my reaction to the potential waste of what could have been one of our strongest assets is bad.

@Mod: Thanks. I feel rather foolish now, but at least we have clarification now.
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Post Post #117 (isolation #25) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:31 pm

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Magua, you're ignoring the fact I assumed it to mean VANILLA TOWN, due to the first post's Sample PM. It was a rather specific misunderstanding that has now been clarified in the first post.

Otolia > I am Moran Argelev. I was born and trapped in the West by the outbreak of the Great War, unknown to the rest of the klan. I crossed into the Imperium mere days ago and now march on the capital, Orogoth.
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Post Post #118 (isolation #26) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:34 pm

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Oh, and Magua. As I stated, numerous times, Daykills can end the day, but it's down to Mod's preference. I admit a slight overreaction, but to accuse me of "flip-flopping" after I explained this before is simply making me think you're skimming.
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Post Post #120 (isolation #27) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:39 pm

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And to address the "not waiting". Either way I'd consider it scummy. Either it's a completely wasted shot, which is suspect at the best of times, or I would personally be under the impression of an insta-bus/kill, given the apparent bad blood between them. If he wanted to WOTC him, I can't see him working with him on a scumteam quietly.
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Post Post #121 (isolation #28) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:40 pm

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I really, really need to get to sleep now. 3 hours sleep time left >_<

Any further points, I'll address in the morning.
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Post Post #158 (isolation #29) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:25 am

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Just a quick VC to keep myself right since I'm not on my laptop.

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Post Post #161 (isolation #30) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:18 am

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Can you change factions at will throughout the game? Or is it a one-time only switch?
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Post Post #163 (isolation #31) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:28 am

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Care to explain?

What sort of reward(s)?
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Post Post #165 (isolation #32) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:36 am

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Fair enough. If it was something that would change the game, we'd of course be asking you to join Town purely to avoid a lynch. I recommend deciding soon, as while I don't support a D1 lynch, if you continue to sit on the fence, you're still a threat to Town.
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Post Post #167 (isolation #33) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:42 am

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Can you give an indication of what you mean by you can "make a mistake" in choosing?
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Post Post #169 (isolation #34) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:52 am

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When you say certain roles, do you mean that if you target certain roles, you simply won't join an alignment that night, or will it give you the opposite alignment from what the target holds?
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Post Post #171 (isolation #35) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:59 am

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Fair enough. I assume that means the power has a dual-use? As in, it'll do something if you target someone who doesn't hold a role you can latch onto?
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Post Post #220 (isolation #36) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:36 am

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I don't understand why people are still giving me shit for the Loyalist = VT thing. It was in the sample PM in the first post, which was later mod-confirmed to not have been clear. When the ROLE is marked as "Loyalist", you can hardly blame me for that one.

And note Sleepy, once again, rolefishing by claiming I "outed myself as a VT".
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Post Post #223 (isolation #37) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:42 am

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I'm not claiming anything. I'm simply pointing out your attempt at drawing me into a claim, alongside tclawren. The only thing I've claimed is my House.
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Post Post #228 (isolation #38) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:48 am

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Other way around. tclawren was trying to get a claim out of me too, around the time people were claiming Loyalist and I had my "Oh shit" moment over the sample PM implying loyalist = VT.
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Post Post #231 (isolation #39) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:59 am

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You made a mistake, but I accept at least partial fault for it. My confusion over the sample PM was what led to it. :/
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Post Post #233 (isolation #40) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:09 pm

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In post 117, David Xanatos wrote:Otolia > I am Moran Argelev. I was born and trapped in the West by the outbreak of the Great War, unknown to the rest of the klan. I crossed into the Imperium mere days ago and now march on the capital, Orogoth.
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Post Post #235 (isolation #41) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:10 pm

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And I didn't "draw him in". He opted to try to explain the Loyalist thing to me, and in doing so, outed himself. It wasn't intentional on either side, whereas you specifically implied I'd claimed.

And no. I was BORN in the West because of the war. I hail from the west in that respect.
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Post Post #237 (isolation #42) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:23 pm

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Care to define what you mean by "the main character"?
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Post Post #239 (isolation #43) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:34 pm

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That rather confirms me as Town then, no? :P
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Post Post #241 (isolation #44) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:42 pm

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"Plots centuries in the making mobilize, but they are threatened to be thwarted by the emergence of a lost son of House Argelev from the West, having finally come of age and seeking to reclaim his rightful throne."

There's the point to the game right there.

And I'd be taking an awful risk claiming to be the rightful heir, no?
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Post Post #242 (isolation #45) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:43 pm

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Posted too soon there.

Meant to add: Unless you're waiting on a counterclaim. If anyone else would care to make a claim for my throne, step forward and be mocked relentlessly.
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Post Post #345 (isolation #46) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:37 pm

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Nothing prevents a daykill from Scum, especially in a large. Could be Jack, could just be a one-shot daykill. The fact he opted to throw it at someone almost at random, having paid lip service to a democratic shot (Which frankly I doubt anyone believed given his shite at the start), doesn't sit well with me.
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Post Post #346 (isolation #47) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:41 pm

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Also, vezok's vote, scummy as all hell.

2 posts in this game. One jumping on Gandalf for claiming a strange, potentially anti-Town role, and then an RVS worthy vote for me.
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Post Post #347 (isolation #48) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:50 pm

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SleepyKrew (8): David Xanatos, kdowns, JDGA, manho, whispersilk, samantha97, Empking, Strangercoug,
David Xanatos (7): Magua, SleepyKrew, tclawren, Nero Cain, SodaSpirit17, AGar, vezokpiraka
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Post Post #348 (isolation #49) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:51 pm

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SleepyKrew (7): David Xanatos, kdowns, JDGA, manho, whispersilk, Empking, Strangercoug,
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Mistake there, Samantha's dead and I forgot to remove.

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Post Post #355 (isolation #50) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:57 am

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"And yet House Argelev has suffered just as much as its subjects, for all its male heirs are dead of natural causes or killed in combat. Not in fifteen hundred years has such a crisis of succession occurred, and now the Imperium stirs. Plots centuries in the making mobilize, but they are threatened to be thwarted by the emergence of a lost son of House Argelev from the West, having finally come of age and seeking to reclaim his rightful throne."

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I am voting for SK because, in my eyes, he's been doing everything possible to out as many claims as possible.

Yes. That's right. You're talking shite on my reasoning too. At no point have I claimed by reasoning was anything akin to LaL. You're trying to portray it as such with no basis behind it.

And the "Shot someone he said he would" reasoning is utter shite. Not TWO HOURS passed between him first asking, and taking a shot. He first claimed at 2:19 AM, took the shot at 3:42 AM.
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Post Post #358 (isolation #51) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:32 am

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Much as I didn't want to have to do this, it looks like I will.

Mason. With Monk.
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Post Post #367 (isolation #52) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:43 am

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No, there are multiple CLAIMED heirs.

Rightful means what it says. Only one person can be the RIGHTFUL heir. That's me.

Join me and I'll make you a Duke. Can't say fairer than that. :P
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Post Post #373 (isolation #53) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:55 am

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Nero, why would it specifically mention in Mod flavour that the rightful heir comes from the west to reclaim the throne?

And I didn't "spam up the thread". I'm not doing that here either. And Vezok's vote, if you take that as reasoning, is "OMG I don't like people talking, let's lynch the talkers so we can stagnate."
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Post Post #382 (isolation #54) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:30 am

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In post 2137, Wraith wrote:
And yet House Argelev has suffered just as much as its subjects, for all its male heirs are dead of natural causes or killed in combat. Not in fifteen hundred years has such a crisis of succession occurred, and now the Imperium stirs. Plots centuries in the making mobilize, but they are threatened to be thwarted by the emergence of a lost son of House Argelev from the West, having finally come of age and seeking to reclaim his rightful throne. Opposing armies march on the capital even as emissaries and nobles gather in the court of the provisional ruler, each seeking to push an agenda of their own.


Oh hai mod post. Nero didn't see you there.

And Nero, I'm a Mason. THAT confirms my alignment.
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Post Post #384 (isolation #55) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:45 am

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We're Masons. That answers the question.

Of course we're confirmed Town to each other.

And I'm not sure what to make of Gandalf. I don't like the fact he can apparently pick a faction, and I don't like the fact he's openly saying he doesn't want to pick tonight..
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Post Post #387 (isolation #56) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:16 am

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Nero, no, I don't. As I've said, I believe SK to be Scum.

SK > You were never at L-1, you were at L-2, as confirmed by the mod immediately after the dayvig. There were no unvotes between your attack and the dayvig processing.

Therefore, you're talking shite. And you used a Dayvig after handwaving at letting Town pick who it would be used on, which to me is either utter stupidity or a vain attempt to pad your ISO and make it look like you actually tried.

Vote count was #268 at L-4.

At #279 there was a vote, and at #289 too.

L-4 + 2 votes = L-2. 2 votes which were on the same page. You shot Samantha in #306.

I refuse to believe that a Town Dayvig would throw out a shot without checking the last vote count, and working forward. It risks taking a Town down with them far too easily, and that's before you get into the considerations of the Dayvig potentially being a CC breaker or a functional extra lynch.
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Post Post #389 (isolation #57) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:36 am

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Links?
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Post Post #393 (isolation #58) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:46 am

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13 to lynch with 24.

11 votes.

12 to lynch with 23.

10 votes.

Yeah, you were L-2. Arithmetic is hard.
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Post Post #399 (isolation #59) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:00 am

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Samantha was voting for you when players = 24, so lynch vote number was 13.

Samantha dies, you drop from 11 votes to 10.

There are now 23 players. It now requires 12 votes to lynch.

11/13 = L-2
10/12 = L-2

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Post Post #406 (isolation #60) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:27 am

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1: In a Large, it's likely.
2: He doesn't. Presumed innocence, call guilties, breadcrumb innocents.
3: You mean like the scummy guy who shot at a townie while L-2, because the townie taunted him?
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Post Post #407 (isolation #61) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:29 am

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If there is a cop, a weak doc, or anything of the sort, me tonight. You don't have to announce the innocent result, but if you're in a faction, thereby having daytalk, announce it to your partners, and they can announce the result by proxy.
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Post Post #410 (isolation #62) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:36 am

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And telling people to lynch a claimed Mason is not smart, and it's sure as hell not pro-town. Then again, pro-town wouldn't matter to you, given you're 85% likely to be scum in my eyes.

Soda > Because stupid questions deserve moderately sarcastic answers.
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Post Post #417 (isolation #63) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:45 am

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Just to check.

SK, you're officially claiming that your role is Macho BP Dayvig?
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Post Post #430 (isolation #64) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:25 pm

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Uuh, AGar. Are you denying that in the sample PM, showing a VT, the ROLE is LOYALIST?

To me, that implied that VTs were loyalists, to man.

I feel like a broken record here. How are you not grasping this?
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Post Post #447 (isolation #65) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:08 am

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I'm calling it now. Vezok is scum. It's far from good play to lynch a claimed Mason D1. Doubtless there are factions wanting to take a shot at us, therefore lynching one of us is simply giving them a free kill. I'm also about 90% on SK being Scum. Both Vezok and SK have been pushing heavily for the lynch even post Mason claim, with Vezok's vote on myself being so devoid of reasoning that I still can't find even the slightest basis beyond "I can hop on this bandwagon!". With that in mind.. Macho Dayvig from SK sounds like a semi-reasonable claim, although frankly I remain incredibly suspicious because of his BP inclusion at the start (hint: Macho means can't be Doc protected. That's directly contrary to being bulletproof.. BP doesn't need Doc, so it's worthless to make them Macho.).

Therefore, Vezok is the one standing out most to me right now.

UNVOTE:
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Empking, read the end of Monk's post. "I have Factional Talk with David we are basically the House of Argelev from the west."

When I crossed into Imperial lands, I was greeted by military units loyal to House Argelev on the border, since then, they've been acting as an honour guard.

AGar, Read this post.

It was me who asked for clarification. And here's the thing, why are you speculating about the information contained in my Role PM? I've already stated that I am an Argelev. I am not a Loyalist. I do however note you cherry-picked the response while ignoring the fact I was the one who asked him.
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Post Post #450 (isolation #66) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:43 am

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In post 100, Wraith wrote:And for the record: "Loyalist" and "Allied with House Argelev" and the like are synonymous with Town. Loyalist is also the name for VT. Imagine that.


In post 100, Wraith wrote:And for the record: "Loyalist" and
"Allied with House Argelev" and the like
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Post Post #451 (isolation #67) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:44 am

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I believe the above quote illustrates my point rather well without any required retort or sarcasm..
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Post Post #455 (isolation #68) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:02 am

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Empking, he is a military unit. He is not a person, therefore he is not a member of the House. He is essentially my personal guard.
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Post Post #496 (isolation #69) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:47 am

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I'm just curious, have any other games got so in depth about flavour that the mod has taken/threatened action based on it? xD
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Post Post #498 (isolation #70) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:09 am

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I don't understand what you mean by the question, frankly.

Are you asking me what my stance on RVS is in general, as in, do I favour RVS over RQS, or over something else?

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Post Post #501 (isolation #71) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:15 am

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I know you have but I'm a little fucked right now and keep forgetting to ask what you mean.

I honestly don't really have one on RVS, it's just something that's done.. RQS I don't like though. I have a habit of telling people to fuck off when they try it.

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Post Post #505 (isolation #72) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:18 am

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I've never played a game that didn't have an RVS. Even those that RQS was attempted in tended to have an RVS during/before.. I suppose I've never really thought about it, but it tends to get the game started better than everyone just staring at each other.
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Post Post #508 (isolation #73) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:31 am

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Depends on the state I was in. I know you're referring to this game, which started at 3am, my time. I had full intentions of going to bed when I saw the email about the PM about the game starting, noticed noone had posted, so did so to get it on my active messages list. Then when I looked back, you'd posted that daykill, and kept me awake arguing (you bastard :P).
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Post Post #510 (isolation #74) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:42 am

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"And for the record: "Loyalist" and "Allied with House Argelev" and the like are synonymous with Town."

Allied implies that it's a unit or a town/city. Doesn't assure him to be scum.
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Post Post #514 (isolation #75) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:48 am

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Emp, what is your stance on vezok?
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Post Post #548 (isolation #76) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:08 pm

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What's your opinion of Vezok then?
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Post Post #550 (isolation #77) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:20 pm

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Well, he's not in our chat, I can tell you that much.

If there are other members of House Argelev that have not made themselves known, I ask you to. I'd rather determine if we are the sole members or if we are simply the only members with a QT.

I do want to know what Shinki has "realised" though.
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Post Post #555 (isolation #78) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:35 pm

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That comeback.. with that avatar.. that was perfect.

Anyway. I don't know why he's been overlooked myself.. frankly his shot was suspect and his claim was too. "Macho BP Dayvig" is a contradiction in terms, almost.. he revises it later but revising a claim afterwards is dodgy as fuck anyway..
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Post Post #557 (isolation #79) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:51 pm

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Macho means cannot be protected by Docs, and similar protective roles.
BP means killing Night Actions don't work.

Therefore, you'd be claiming that you can't be protected from killing night actions, while being immune to them.
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Post Post #558 (isolation #80) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:53 pm

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In [url=https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Macho]the Wiki[/url], The Gods wrote:Macho is a role modifier that prevents players from being protected from kills in any way.

In [url=https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bulletproof]the Wiki[/url], The Gods wrote:Bulletproof is a role modifier that allows a player to avoid being killed at Night.
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Post Post #560 (isolation #81) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:11 pm

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There's no reason to put even X-Shot BP on a Macho, as it's essentially saying that they don't need to worry about NKs, especially if X>=2. In addition, sticking that on a role like Dayvig is quite literally saying "The role with unblockable kills shall be unkillable on night 1-X".

Mac > No point answering that question. Anti-Town factions already know there are two of us, no sense confirming or extending the number without due cause.
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Post Post #562 (isolation #82) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:26 pm

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So are your pants.
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Post Post #564 (isolation #83) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:42 pm

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Stop getting us all excited. Obvious scum tactic, trying to distract us all! :P
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Post Post #568 (isolation #84) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:46 pm

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You're a Rockstar?

Pedit: Not confident about Empking either way. Vezok does seem worse than usual to me though, and I'm wary of dismissing it as purely VI-ness. Empking can be valuable if he's Town, better to investigate.
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Post Post #571 (isolation #85) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:52 pm

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Vezok is always classified as "vigbait". I don't think I've ever seen him vigged.
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Post Post #573 (isolation #86) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:01 pm

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That's where I draw the line.

A PL sooner is better than a PL later, on the sheer basis that D1 we can afford a mislynch more than late-game. The longer Vezok is around, the longer he's a distraction. The only exception, and I mean the ONLY exception, is if he's a PR.
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Post Post #575 (isolation #87) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:09 pm

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I think Vezok
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scum. If he isn't, we gain the side benefit of ridding ourselves of a VI. If he claims PR at L-1 or 2, he can be let down, but watched carefully.
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Post Post #577 (isolation #88) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:23 pm

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ISO him.

3 votes, and an Argelev claim.

Vote on me had
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Vote on Gandalf I can't really comment on without links to the games.

Vote on Monk was a "Let's lynch him because he's confirmed David's mason claim!", alongside a misrepresentation of Monk's claim.
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Post Post #579 (isolation #89) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:30 pm

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Town Vezok

I disagree. See above ISO.
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Post Post #581 (isolation #90) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:41 pm

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You don't have to read in depth. Even a glance shows that Vezok gets involved as Town, he wasn't afraid to post, wasn't just votehopping.. admittedly he was moderately wrong on quite a few things, which is how he made it so far, but he was making a clear effort.. as opposed to here. I'm getting the feeling of not wanting to post, to avoid a slip.
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Post Post #604 (isolation #91) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:24 pm

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I actually find StrangerCoug to be making some reasoned and rational argument, which is somewhat refreshing.

I decree he shall have a statue built after everything here concludes. A flattering one. In a town square.

As long as he isn't a traitor.

Then it'll be a spike.
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Post Post #608 (isolation #92) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:03 pm

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Because personally I consider Vezok to be more likely Scum. Empking is null-scum to me, Vezok is flat out Scum in my opinion.
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Post Post #617 (isolation #93) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:30 pm

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What are we looking for here?

I just see Empking as usual there..
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Post Post #619 (isolation #94) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:01 pm

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Surely that's an argument for him not being Scum then?
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Post Post #625 (isolation #95) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:14 am

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Yes, I think only one of the Vigs is Town, because I think SK is Scum.

It is not cognitive dissonance to believe that a specific player is Scum. I have a Town read on kdowns right now. That is not likely to change with an SK Town flip, because my read on kdowns has little to do with his claim.
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Post Post #629 (isolation #96) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:39 am

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Empking
(9)
:
EtherealCookie, SleepyKrew, Magua, Otolia, manho, MattP, Strangercoug, Sodaspirit, Nero Cain
SleepyKrew
(3)
:
tclawren
,
David Xanatos
, kdowns,
gandalf5166
, JDGA,
MacDougall
,
manho
, whispersilk,
PeregrineV
,
Empking
,
StrangerCoug
,
SodaSpirit17
,
SodaSpirit17

David Xanatos
(2)
:
Magua
,
SleepyKrew
, tclawren,
Nero Cain
,
SodaSpirit17
,
Shinki
, AGar,
Empking
,
SodaSpirit17
,
vezokpiraka
,
Empking

Magua
(1)
:
monk
PeregrineV
(1)
:
gandalf5166
AGar
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:
SodaSpirit17

monk
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:
vezokpiraka,
Empking

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Otolia
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gandalf5166
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kdowns
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vezokpiraka
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Shinki
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:
StrangerCoug

kdowns
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:
EtherealCookie

tclawren
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:
Magua

Otolia
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:
gandalf5166
,
Empking
,
Empking
, Empking

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:
MacDougall


Not Voting
(3)
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Bogre, Shinki, PeregrineV

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October 11, 2011


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Post Post #631 (isolation #97) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:44 am

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Nero, it's too early for speculation on role distribution, but frankly if SK is Town, I'd believe they both are.

And my vote's on Vezok because the SK wagon isn't likely to go anywhere, despite his scummy as feck shot. Another minor concern is that a Dayvig, if possible to direct, is a valuable asset, and he's hinted at having another shot. If he confirms this, tomorrow his shot should be directed by vote, as a free lynch. If he has no further shot, he's a suspicious VT at best.
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Post Post #638 (isolation #98) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:21 am

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Where did the "SK is an SK" comment come from?
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Post Post #640 (isolation #99) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:45 am

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Why the requote when it was you who made the comment? o_0
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Post Post #641 (isolation #100) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:47 am

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Oh, for the record, I'm inclined to believe Empking.

Emp, since you're outed, do you have someone in mind to scan (if so, don't say who), and if not, would you be willing to confirm either me and Monk, or otherwise be directed?
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Post Post #643 (isolation #101) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:53 am

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I've never heard of a Day-SK though, have you?
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Post Post #700 (isolation #102) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:36 pm

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Empking
(11)
:
EtherealCookie, SleepyKrew, Magua, Otolia, manho, MattP, Strangercoug, Sodaspirit,
Nero Cain
, kdowns, Shinki, Nero Cain,
SleepyKrew
(2)
:
tclawren
,
David Xanatos
,
kdowns
,
gandalf5166
, JDGA,
MacDougall
,
manho
, whispersilk,
PeregrineV
,
Empking
,
StrangerCoug
,
SodaSpirit17
,
SodaSpirit17

David Xanatos
(2)
:
Magua
,
SleepyKrew
, tclawren,
Nero Cain
,
SodaSpirit17
,
Shinki
, AGar,
Empking
,
SodaSpirit17
,
vezokpiraka
,
Empking

Magua
(1)
:
monk
PeregrineV
(1)
:
gandalf5166
AGar
(0)
:
SodaSpirit17

monk
(1)
:
vezokpiraka,
Empking

vezokpiraka
(1)
:
Otolia
, David Xanatos,
manho

gandalf5166
(1)
:
kdowns
,
vezokpiraka
,
Shinki
, PeregrineV
Shinki
(0)
:
StrangerCoug
,
Nero Cain

kdowns
(0)
:
EtherealCookie

tclawren
(0)
:
Magua

Otolia
(0)
:
gandalf5166
,
Empking
,
Empking
, Empking

No Lynch
(0)
:
MacDougall


Not Voting
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:
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Post Post #701 (isolation #103) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:37 pm

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I'm still more inclined to be cautious about a Cop claim. I agree that his apparent dissonance over the groups is bad, but to claim Cop at this juncture would be suicide..
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Post Post #770 (isolation #104) » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:46 pm

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I don't recall ever saying there was more than me and Monk. In fact, I specifically told you I wasn't going to say if there were any more than me and Monk. No sense revealing undue information.
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Post Post #772 (isolation #105) » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:27 pm

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I'm not sure of my stance on you to be honest. Vezok still attracts my ire though. I'm planning to re-read tonight, see if I pick up anything special from Empking's interactions..
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Post Post #776 (isolation #106) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:17 am

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Empking wasn't Town..
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Post Post #865 (isolation #107) » Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:46 pm

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Then we shall see.

VOTE: Strangercoug
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