Imperial Intrigue (Endgame, OUT OF NOWHERE)

[Bogre]

Because you're taking a Day-Shot that may, depending on mechanics, end the day.

Doesn't matter. Scum know who other Scum are on their team.
Town are the uninformed majority, "knowing something we don't" is being an informed minority. The informed minority are the scum teams.
Negative Utilities are Town too, and can be directed in most cases I've seen.

I don't think SK was being serious with the shot, looks like a reaction test to me.

Your reaction was...talking about day-ending and... basically explaining the premise of mafia. Excessive pointless explanation.

VOTE: DavidXanatos

[Bogre]

tclawren is in a gray category. I'm *very* curious about:

NOW TAKE A LOOK UP AT THE PROVIDED VT PM AND GIVE ME A GOOD FUCKING REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T LYNCH YOUR

FAIL 3RD PARTY ASS.

@tclawren:

Why did you write 3rd party instead of scum?

That's a good catch.

I want that explained.

[Bogre]

Sleepkrew wasn't the scum kill, it was my One Shot Vig kill. I was so bent on him being scum.

You blew your 1 shot on a claimed -bulletproof-? If he had been BP, that shot would have given no information, and just torn up his vest.

Looking back briefly on kdowns posts yesterday, however, he seemed to indeed have been voting/posting about Sleepy, so I am willing to buy the 'bent on him being scum'.

[Bogre]

Well, I'm going to class right now, we continue this by the evening.
And I still want to see StrangerCoug here.

Why, exactly?

You haven't yet posted reasons for voting him.

[Bogre]

VOTE: Strangercoug

Why is MacDougall speculating about finding the doctor and being asinine to Shinki?

[Bogre]

Lol I'm not butthurt and I've already given all the reasons I possible can to justify what I've done. As for scum since when was Vezok off the table?

Since when was Vezok ON the table, for you?

[Bogre]

Also as for Vezok. Surely, by now, if he was town, the scum teams would have fought to have him lynched? He's been coasting along. As town, a player like him would have been dragged out by the scum for sure.

...completely WIFOM.

[Bogre]

What the f?
Why are we lynching MattP?
The case against him is so fucking weak compared to MacDougall or screamoutscummieVez.

....How does that jibe when Macdougall's biggest push is on Vezok?

On the Mattwagon: Only thing I'm bothered with is pointless commentary on Shinki, without -any- other commentary. (the beware players bemoaning night kills tell). Since the wagon had gained something like 3 votes in 6 posts and less than 24 hours, still kind of a stretch to call it coasting because the wagon happened so fast.

VOTE: Sodaspirit

The vote/unvote/vote again business is pretty bad, not to mention, if it's real coasting we're looking for: soda. Hopping on all the popular wagons and giving about 0 reasoning.

[Bogre]

I mean, you're saying scum would try to lynch him if he's town, and because he hasn't been lynched, you're going to lynch him, because that makes him scum since he hasn't been lynched.

[Bogre]

...Also, what about Soda? Thoughts there?

Soda's meh. I would certainly take his lynch above Otolia or MacDougall, but he's not a top suspect at the moment.

Why did you mention Otolia here? I haven't noticed anybody suggesting Otolia is guilty at all?

Yeah, question mark, until I started looking back to see where he mentioned Otolia and saw this:

Otolia is probably town. MacDougall is probably town. I will lynch vezokpiraka or MattP (in that order) before either of those.

So its meshes.

Soda's still coasting with his two replies being 'I had suspicions of vezok the day before'. Soda > vezok lynch because again, vezok is playing true to his VI meta(lynching him is basically resorting to is a distracting policy lynch/VI bandwagon that tells us nothing) whilst Soda is being opportunist and dodgy.

[Bogre]

Well since you seem to WANT me to have a scum read on you, I'll try to entertain you... Let's see what your wiki comes up with, because your play in this game is pretty legit aside from tunneling me...

Making a case because someone wants you to is both pandering to the desires of others and hypocritical (if you think he's pretty legit, than how can you have any sort of belief in the case you made?)

[Bogre]

I don't like how EtherealCookie reads, but he gets a pass from me for being the first on the Empking wagon, and to be pushing MacDougall-scum before it was mainstream. His position on the StrangerCoug wagon is worse, especially with the guilty report on SC, so that reads as possible bus, but....meh.

So couldn't of EC been bussin'?

[Bogre]

Damnit, hit enter.

Anyways, I think that it's unlikely he was bussing given that he was the first on the wagon. Scum don't usually start a bus of their buddy unless it's a pre-empted gambit, and Empking's wagon developed late in the day and so doesn't seem like it was a planned bus.

[Bogre]

i'm of house argelev and loyalist.

Does anybody else feel that Manho's original claim is now obviously a lie?

yes, that was fake. i'm the 4th Legion "Deathbringers".

i first thought i may be recruited to the mafia or 3rd-party, as i prefer to be anti-town if i can choose. so i hid my identity and claimed house argelev, thought it may help if i'm recruited. but i'm still town by now and someone brought it up, so i think it's time for me to claim it.

So you faked your House to try and become anti-town?

[Bogre]

Well at that stage I was too confused to vote for anyone. I'll vote for someone eventually. I just wanted my vote on no lynch in case the day ended before I came back because I didn't want to be on anyone.

^^^^^^^^^
looks like noob scum trying to justify not being on a potential mislynch.

540 is a potential defense and fense sitting on EMP.

551 is info fishing.

Hammers Emp anyways.


flip flopping and hammering on Soda.

The first point has been hammered out time and time again, but I think it's basically WIFOM whether it's new town or new scum. The next points, waffling and hammering Empking I can see scum motivation for, especially new scum motivation, to be sure to be on the wagon and to try and get town points on that.

The Soda thing is strange too, because it essentially he was always on the leading wagons and coming in late to blast someone away, just because? Yeah, strange.

[Bogre]

Ugh, this game is giving me a headache, with its entire rotation around Macdougall VI'ing and vezok being vezok.

EtherealCookie I can really only see as a buddy to Andrius, so I'm very curious how you're ok with lynching EC but not with lynching Andrius.

What's the Andrius/EC link?

[Bogre]

Quotes as to where you're being coached? Won't happen. It's not quotes I'm seeing, not specific phrases. Rather trends in your posting topics and tone where you move from one topic to the next somewhat sharply and don't transition things smoothly. As if you had ADD with your posting.

If he's being coached, who's doing the coaching?

[Bogre]

Trouble making up your mind as well, Magua?
I don't want to see MacDougall lynched. I would prefer a Vezok lynch. Seems like the latter isn't likely to happen, and given Andrius faked interest in pushing a Magua lynch, said he'd re-read everything, and yet really hasn't had anything to add, this is the most logical wagon to follow.

UNVOTE

VOTE: Andrius

VOTE: EC

Where did you pull out faked interest from? That sounds pretty scratchbuilt. What, exactly, is the logic here? That he hasn't been present?

[Bogre]

It's just that most of his antics are very common to new players, before they get jaded.

I'll vote McDougall to avoid a no lynch, since even just randomly voting I'm 60% likely to hit town.
But, if we can lynch Vezok before then, that'd be great too.

This is not sounding like a town Peregrine. Priming the Macdougall vote to avoid the feared no lynch, and qualifying with '60% likely to hit town'. I don't even know where he got that number, and it sounds like a pre-apology for a mislynch.

[Bogre]

Was at a conference this weekend.

Vezok, are you claiming that NC is the scum roleblocker, or was that separate?

Not thinking that Mattp's reaction was a scum tell.

VOTE: EC

Biggest thing here is the concentration on Vezok to almost the point of exclusion of anyone else, which is a waste, given that Vezok is always horribly scummy and hard to understand. Easy to look like you're participating a lot and having a big say because scumhunting against Vezok is on easy mode.

[Bogre]

I think that kdowns killed SleepyKrew but is scum. I think that gandalf or JDGA died for another reason. Maybe they targeted a PGO or there is a SK? I dunno, I just don't trust kdowns at all anymore. A confirmed townie doesn't play like him. Why are you so defensive of him?

SK's kill every night, usually. We've seen nothing supporting a PGO.

Agar's 'let's kill Magua over argueing' is bad, bad. A vote that doesn't further any realistic agenda is scummy.

Still catching up.

[Bogre]

Your stance is that you were roleblocked last Night and that Nero Cain roleblocked you.

Got that part.

But what makes Nero Cain the roleblocker?

Who else besides Nero is mafia?

Nero came out of the gates with a vote on me.

So he voted you...meaning he roleblocked you?

[Bogre]

Well I think EtherealCookie is more likely to have bussed Empking than Magua, but it's still unlikely. I'd be far happier with the Vezok lynch.

You've come full circle, BACK to the Vezok lynch.

[Bogre]

Nero, why are you voting EtherealCookie and not vezokpiraka? Your ISO is full of vezokpiraka with hardly a hint of EC, yet now you're pushing EC's lynch like the Second Coming.

Bogre, same question.

Well, first of all, I've made it pretty clear that I think Vezok is perpetually a VI and lynching him equates to a policy lynch. Most of what I've talked about him has been in the context of Mac/EC pushing for his lynch heavily, especially the Macdougall WIFOM about him, and the EC concentration.

So basically: A Vezok lynch helps because he's confusing/alwaysscummy/not helpful, but I think it's low yield because he does this every time, and I can't get a strong feeling for whether he's scum or town.

[Bogre]

Okay, I think Magua must be the Bremburg rolecop then.

I am Vorian Argelev, one of the younger members of imperial family, who's existence was kept secret in plain sight in guard against anti-imperial treachery. I am a Neighborizer/X-shot Hider. My abilities:

Recognize Your Rightful Primarch: You may visit a faction once per night and make your claim to the throne, confirming to them your status as a rightful heir. I of course used this n1 with David Xanatos, cause I was betting that a scum group wouldn't gambit that early, which was good, cause especially with the talk from gandalf and stuff about heir-faction-alignment craziness I was feeling hesitant to use it and proclaim my heir status to a scum faction or third-party.

Second ability is:

Imperial Masquerade: Your training allows you to conceal yourself within the ranks of another faction, avoiding any ability targeted at you that night; however, attacks targeting the faction you infiltrate will affect you as well. I was originally leery on using this too, but when I asked the mod if hitting scum killed me, I got the answer that I wasn't a vanilla hider: I can conceal myself with anyone without dying if I hit anti-Argelev. Unfortunately, that in essence took away the investigative powers normal to a hider role. I only used it last night (I hid with MacDougall), as I didn't think I was going to get killed because someone had generally had claimed, and I've only got limited uses. Last night, I figured either me/kdowns/MattP/Magua/maybe Nero Cain would be killed, and Macdougall/Vezok/Agar were pretty safe (either as scum or as what scum would consider potential lynches).

VOTE: Magua

[Bogre]

Recognize Your Rightful Primarch: You may visit a faction once per night and make your claim to the throne, confirming to them your status as a rightful heir. I of course used this n1 with David Xanatos, cause I was betting that a scum group wouldn't gambit that early, which was good, cause especially with the talk from gandalf and stuff about heir-faction-alignment craziness I was feeling hesitant to use it and proclaim my heir status to a scum faction or third-party.

So you can confirm your alignment as town to someone...and you only used this N1?

Lulz.


No.

Okay, I think Magua must be the Bremburg rolecop then.

1. Why Bremburg? Why not Eastern?
2. According to you, if I were a rolecop I'd've gotten no result. How does that reflect at all in my claim that made you suggest it?

Cause I could only neighbor one faction....?

And yeah, that would be true, if you rolecopped me YESTERDAY, but I think the you did it previous to last night.

[Bogre]

To join their QT, yeah. I wasn't going to try and hit any other factions.

[Bogre]

And if you'd confirmed yourself as town to the David/monk/whispersilk masonry, how come none of them ever mention you, say they have a townread on you, etc?

Cause that would out information to scum, where a later game reveal might throw a serious wrench in scum plans.

[Bogre]

PeregrineV - Surprisingly, I don't have much to say for this. You were "solid," I guess - lurking enough to prevent attention being drawn to you, but posting enough to prevent being lynched. I'm sure your flip surprised some.

Thanks for the feedback. Once EmpKing died, I pretty much didn't care who got lynched. All I had to do was avoid lynching Bogre. So, it was kind of fun scumhunting without actually being town.

Thank you for modding this. I liked the setup with double traitors and enabling and esp. the flavor.

Definitely would like in on the next one!

My 'this is not a town Peregrine' was really, really spot on. Unfortunately, the traitors got crosskilled!

I was hoping Mattp could pull it out in the end.

[Bogre]

I think you only had an outside shot. Possibly if you had sat back and let the other guys try to mislynch Vezok, you could have pushed it back on them after a while.