Imperial Intrigue (Endgame, OUT OF NOWHERE)

StrangerCoug · Post Post #209 (isolation #0) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:15 am

Not even a full RL day and already nine pages!? Gee whiz, I'm going to need some time here.

SleepyKrew obviously looks bad on page 1, but I

DO

need to read the rest of the thread.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #212 (isolation #1) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:38 am

David Xanatos insisting that a loyalist is the same thing as a vanilla townie does seem a bit off, but I fail to see a pro-scum motive in getting people to stop claiming loyalist. If loyalist is merely an alignment, then claiming loyalists gives nobody information. If loyalist does indeed equal vanilla townie, then he is right that it narrows down the pool. I don't have a strong town read on David, but it's there.

I'm undecided about Otolia. On the one hand, I want to call his reaction to the fake daykill a newb tell because faking a daykill very early in the game is not uncommon, but on the other hand I don't know if the term "newb" is still correct.

kdowns, why the heck did you claim on page 4? Do you realize that you may not get a chance to use that vig shot now?

I don't like Shinki's lumping onto gandalf5166 in post #133. Opportunistic as hell.

VOTE: Shinki

If I missed anything important (I refuse to claim my house), please speak up.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #279 (isolation #2) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:43 pm

In post 216, Otolia wrote:
In post 212, StrangerCoug wrote:I'm undecided about Otolia. On the one hand, I want to call his reaction to the fake daykill a newb tell because faking a daykill very early in the game is not uncommon, but on the other hand I don't know if the term "newb" is still correct.

What is strange in my reaction ? I was surprised at first, re-read the thread (because it was hard as hell to understand) write another post. After people were pretty much convinced it was a fake DayKill, I moved on and didn't talk about it. If that's your read on me, then my read on you is that you don't do enough for this game (read more likely to be scum in D1), there is much more you could have said but you decided to speak about something not game related. If SK and me were actually still arguing and insulting each other, it would makes sense but it doesn't right now.

So I'd like you to give another read on me.

One of us is not understanding the other. When I said I was undecided, that implied that I couldn't settle on a read of town or scum on you. To respond to what I think you mean to be your request, you're neutral leaning town right now, but it's kind of hard to have

another

read on someone when you're trying to get your

first

read of the player.

In post 224, SleepyKrew wrote:Fine, pretend you're obviously not a Town PR, it's only hurting yourself.

This has scum written all over it. This implies that you think David Xanatos is a power role, which is a bad idea to say out loud in the first place,

AND

it's an obvious attempt to smear him.

In post 262, SleepyKrew wrote:I am
The Motherfucking Entire Imperial Skyfleet, Loyalist Macho X-Shot Bulltetproof X-Shot Dayvig.

Flavor stuff:
I'm Macho because nobody can defend better than the Fleet.
I'm Bulletproof cause of armor.
I'm Dayvig cause of weaponnz.
Not revealing number of shots because that would be stupid.
I crumbed it when I "shot" Otolia, because "Death from above" is the Fleet's motto.

This screams like something out of Star Wars, which conflicts with my understanding of the theme being medieval, and even if I understand it incorrectly it is ridiculously overpowered.

UNVOTE: Shinki
VOTE: SleepyKrew

StrangerCoug · Post Post #288 (isolation #3) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:19 pm

In post 287, SleepyKrew wrote:SC, I was actually saying David is NOT a Town PR.

Then he would not have to pretend not to be one, because he wouldn't be.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #425 (isolation #4) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:59 pm

In post 354, AGar wrote:To the people voting for SK - please explain WHY he is scum, more than 'gambitzzz' or 'daykill omg'

My main gripe other than those is that I don't like his interactions with David Xanatos regarding what exactly a loyalist is.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #583 (isolation #5) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:16 pm

In post 427, AGar wrote:
In post 425, StrangerCoug wrote:
In post 354, AGar wrote:To the people voting for SK - please explain WHY he is scum, more than 'gambitzzz' or 'daykill omg'

My main gripe other than those is that I don't like his interactions with David Xanatos regarding what exactly a loyalist is.

So you're going to side with the player who freaked out and panicked because he couldn't properly read a sample role PM and twisted facts way out of context over the player who actually read the facts and knew what he was talking about.

Tell me how SleepyKrew insisting that David Xanatos is a vanilla townie over and over again is any better, because it takes DX out of the pool of possible power roles.

In post 427, AGar wrote:Aaaand you're voting for someone over gambits and a daykill...

You imply that gambits and daykills are inherently townie here, which they're not. If you do not want me to consider you as likely to be SleepyKrew's partner, explain how what SleepyKrew specifically has done in those regards is townie. Defending gambits and daykills in general is not an answer.

In post 427, AGar wrote:Not buying the mason claim. Confirmation from Monk isn't going to do much to change that. Yeahno.

You do realize that faking masons, especially on Day 1, is a suicide mission more often than not, right?

In post 442, vezokpiraka wrote:Yeah.

We can lynch monk and david together for being scum.
"Third Legion Stormtroopers Allied to the true Heir of the Throne." - monk

I see neither loyalist nor House Argelev in your claim. You are scum my friend.

unvote vote monk

"Loyalist" means "town", rendering that term redundant, and there are other pro-town houses than the Argelev if memory serves me correctly. This is opportunistic.

In post 445, Empking wrote:+1

Unvote, Vote: Monk

As is this.

UNVOTE: SleepyKrew
VOTE: Empking
I'm happy to get rid of vezokpiraka for the same reason.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #585 (isolation #6) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:19 pm

Hey, you're still scummy, so watch the smart-alecky remarks.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #589 (isolation #7) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:05 pm

What question?

StrangerCoug · Post Post #591 (isolation #8) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:15 pm

That wasn't a question.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #593 (isolation #9) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:26 pm

NOW

it's a question.

Empking hopped onto the monk wagon after vezokpiraka's crappy rationale for disbelief in monk's claim, and there is more support for lynching Empking than vezokpiraka right now (what I'm getting is that other people think vezok to be a VI). My reason is not "wrong" simply because you are against the wagon.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #595 (isolation #10) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:36 pm

What other information do you want?

StrangerCoug · Post Post #597 (isolation #11) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:43 pm

Quit subtly supporting your partners by poisoning my well.

Some things are scummier than others. A poor reaction to someone's misunderstanding of the sample role PM is not as scummy as advocating the lynch of a claimed mason, especially with the rationale vezokpiraka gave.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #599 (isolation #12) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:58 pm

Yes, but as I said, I primarily don't like how you reacted to David Xanatos misunderstanding the sample PM. You were on him well before the monk confirmation claim and are not acting opportunistically like vezokpiraka and Empking.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #601 (isolation #13) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:08 pm

They are (the daykill especially), but they're lesser factors.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #603 (isolation #14) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:18 pm

No, I have bigger fish to fry.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #686 (isolation #15) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:17 am

In post 643, David Xanatos wrote:I've never heard of a Day-SK though, have you?

The original StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare had one.

In post 656, SleepyKrew wrote:Also, I just realized SC initially voted me for my claim. lol

I'm allowed other reasons to suspect you. If I don't bring the original reason up later because I'm addressing things I find scummier, that's not scummy. (Although part of it was based on a flavor misunderstanding, I took the possibility into account and gave another reason to doubt the claim.)

StrangerCoug · Post Post #688 (isolation #16) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:34 am

You're preaching to the converted somewhat; I'm voting Empking.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #710 (isolation #17) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:08 pm

It's really unclear what SleepyKrew wants out of me at this point. I support the Empking wagon; post 668 is a case against Empking; what the hell else does SleepyKrew want? I'm confused.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #795 (isolation #18) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:13 am

In post 742, Shinki wrote:Sleepy died, I'll quit )):

Vote: StrangerCoug

Can you tell me about your killing powers, Mr. Scum?

In post 125, Shinki wrote:Apparently I'm a Loyalist to House Argelev, and my win condition is met when all danger to House Argelev and it's loyalists are no longe existant. (paraphrase)

Think before you out yourself as lying by omission.

VOTE: Shinki

StrangerCoug · Post Post #821 (isolation #19) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:22 pm

In post 819, Shinki wrote:Anyone else feels like lynching MacDougall today too?
StrangerCoug can wait for tomorrow. :T

If you are what you're hinting at being, then waiting to lynch me tomorrow is not an option. I'm countering your accusation that I killed anybody, so it's a simple 1 vs. 1. Either I die today or you die today. We each know which option the other is taking.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #824 (isolation #20) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:39 pm

In post 822, Shinki wrote:I didn't said you killed someone today.
I'm saying that you're scum. I just added some flavor to my first post in this day.

And of course, MacDougall is suspect and annoying, but yes, we lynch you today.

Then throw everybody else by the wayside for now and give me the rope. Exactly what investigative role you are is irrelevant. If someone's confirmed scum from your point of view,

you don't leave them around.

That and your claiming your wincon, which is generally done only when fullclaiming if at all, without saying anything about you having a power role doesn't lead me to believe you're telling the truth.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #828 (isolation #21) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:06 pm

In post 825, Shinki wrote:I don't want you to believe me, I want you to tell me your excuse/defense for my scum read at you. If you have any, that is.

You don't want me to believe you? Fine. I didn't anyway and you suck at faking an investigative role. You give me no reason to defend myself when you don't take your own read on me seriously.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #842 (isolation #22) » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:18 am

In post 832, MacDougall wrote:So since you are going down SC. I noticed a post in which you replied to SK's "K ur scum" with "No, I have bigger fish to fry".

What did you mean by that?

There were scummier people to me than him; namely, Empking (which the mod has confirmed via clarification as anti-town).

StrangerCoug · Post Post #1603 (isolation #23) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:21 pm

In post 1581, Wraith wrote:In my opinion, the Bremburg team played a pretty fantastic game - Nero Cain practically carried this team to victory with very smart Night Actions and day play. Until Day 8, I'm fairly sure almost everyone had a townread of Nero Cain. Magua, as well played a very good game, and was never suspected until the sudden, unfortunate flip. So even though AGar "officially" won, I won't care if the Bremburg players count this as a win on their records (if they keep those things). They certainly deserved to win this, but did not because of the technicality.

Doing this would render my long losing streak as Mafia broken. Nero Cain cannot be thanked enough here.

In post 1581, Wraith wrote:StrangerCoug - Honestly, I expected more from you. Shinki's gunsmith result might have doomed you, but if you had executed a proper fakeclaim and generally played better/more actively you MIGHT have avoid it.

I wasn't helped by the fact that I'm used to mod-provided fakeclaims, which is why I asked you to write me a house cop fakeclaim (I thought Shinki tracked me). When it was clear that I wasn't going to get a fakeclaim back in time, I tried to wing it the best I could.

As for my Day 1 play, what are your comments?