Open 319: Jungle Republic - Day 5: Calamity *GAME OVER*

Thor665 · Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:15 pm

@fitz - I'll at least agree DJ is looking more like a wolf than sage so...you have that on your side.

Thor665 · Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:19 pm

I think fitz's arguments for Skywolf > ky's arguments.

But for fitz to be town he has to be as big an ally to the wolves as a wolf player is, considering his play yesterday.

Also - I apparently don't have a scumbuddy...

Thor665 · Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:56 pm

Dude - you had a chance to lynch scum but were "supah clever...but so focused on Thor that I was voting CM when I could have lynched DJ...huzzah!" If you're actually town, town should have issues with your play. I'm mafia, and if you're town I have issues with your play

Thor665 · Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:23 pm

In post 1151, havingfitz wrote:but hindsight is 20/20

Confirmed scum.
L-1.
Didn't notice because you were tunneled on the guy you weren't even voting...and were asking me to hammer DJ...

Thor665 · Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:25 pm

Oh! And your best defense includes "I would have looked scummy doing that"...which would make you more likely to survive till today with Seer claim, and everything.

Thor665 · Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:50 pm

Your "points" are mostly your counter claim and a lot of screaming of scumslip...eh, the one (not expecting Sky to claim) I might be buying, the other not at all.
But your play yesterday dramatically weakened your position to a shocking degree with regards to your claim.

Sky's big win/ding is her breadcrumbs...but breadcrumbs that come at a point I feel like they're scum going "oh, snap, maybe I should get some breadcrumbs out in case we need to counterclaim a seer tomorrow" and fits with my expectations of the quality of Sky's play.

Your big wing is the weird frothing fanaticism about the whole DJ/Thor thing yesterday - which I almost buy as scumhunting for second wolf...then you sort of go "derp - worst seer EVER!" and vote CM for very little reason, keep needling me, note repeatedly how you have NO IDEA about what this whole DJ case is about, and then ignore how a CONFIRMED SCUM ends up at L-1 all while repeatedly asking me why I'm not voting him - which considering my reluctance to hammer should have been ALL ABOUT your case on me as a wolf, and yet you're voting CM and being pissy that I'm not being lynched while a confirmed wolf sits there waving at you.

The other two have obligatorially got into a slap fest of "I'mma real town!" "Nooo! I'mma real town!" all while ignoring the obvious that either you or Sky is the lynch and are basically refusing to comment much on it at all. DJ actually remotely looks the better for that, because at least he's calling you obv. scum, which makes sense. But Sage hasn't even bleeped a thought in the general direction of the discussion.

DK also continues to ignore me or to offer his thoughts, which is causing my speen to vent blood because he's the guy I can trust and he's STONEWALLING me and I"M HIS SCUMBUDDY!

Meanwhile - I'm pretty sure you're the only player who has really been talking to me all game, and yesterday I was pretty sure you were misrepping me the whole time, and today you keep acting like I'm an idiot for not agreeing that your play is awesome and smells of bacon and win. And you're still more town than everyone here but me - and I'm scum!

So, in short - I actually pretty much hate you all, and am pleased wolves have been murdering town, and am sad they murdered Fool who was anything but and I bet would have at least admitted I was asking him questions. I'm in a holding pattern for my partner, and am actually just waiting for Monday when hopefully he'll nose back in and I can try to send up some flares and spread around a few toys and puzzles to slow him down enough to communicate with me.

Thor665 · Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:48 am

@sage - the double ww intentional misspelling to convey 'werewolf' in both breadcrumbs pretty much wuss slaps that last accusation and makes you look silly for even attempting it. She made them intentionally and they are clearly breadcrumbs - the only question is if they are legit.

Thor665 · Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:05 pm

In post 1161, DonJosh wrote:Btw, just making sure I've got my facts straight... if havingfitz flips wolf (which he will), sageamagoo is his confirmed partner, right?

In post 1163, sageamagoo wrote:
In post 1160, Thor665 wrote:@sage - the double ww intentional misspelling to convey 'werewolf' in both breadcrumbs pretty much wuss slaps that last accusation and makes you look silly for even attempting it. She made them intentionally and they are clearly breadcrumbs - the only question is if they are legit.

Whoops... I didn't see the double w in the second quote. Okay, they are breadcrumbs. Still not legitimate, though.

@sky... please tell us your result for night three. It might help move the conversation along.

Thor665 · Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:07 pm

*Sigh* quote fail.

@DJ - no, if fitz flips wolf it doesn't prove jack about you and sage. If he flips wolf the actual seer will prove quite a bit about you though.

@sage - Sky already did this...

@DK - WRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY!?!?!?

Would the wolves like to claim? I might be down for lynching DK just for lulz/revenge at this stage.

Thor665 · Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:01 pm

Sky - you should put a beard on your avatar then, as all true men do.

Thor665 · Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:07 pm

Uranus is castrated - but, sure.

Thor665 · Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:35 am

@Mod - 10 hour pre-deadline prod request for DK...also, if you could remind him who his scumbuddy is that would be boss

@fitz ::shrug:: still, he's my mason bud, so...

Thor665 · Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:34 pm

Why do you have your mind set on Sky?

The reason to post is that you and I stand the best chance of making a good call here - and I feel really conflicted, so if you're certain you should at least be selling me on it.

Thor665 · Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:11 am

@DK - I laid out my thoughts here;
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3469009

The way I see it;

Why fitz is wolf and Sky is seer

Sky has actual breadcrumbs, and obvious ones at that.
Fitz intentionally obfuscated his wolf investigation and avoided hammering proven scum yesterday to "protect" himself.

Why fitz is seer and Sky is wolf

fitz claimed in a more focused way...slight tell.
Sky didn't breadcrumb till oddly late.
fitz as seer helps explain why he was so frothingly excited about me/DJ yesterday.

You got anything for me?

Thor665 · Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:39 am

I'm so sad right now.

Thor665 · Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:46 pm

The horrible thing is I know one of those scummy sounding posts is coming from town.

Thor665 · Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:04 am

@fitz - explain the scum motivation step by step that allowed Sky to realize she should fakebreadcrumb when she did. What set her off that day, and what weakness to the validity of the breadcrumbs do you see? (sageamagoo - feel free to weigh in here if you'd like)

Also - could you explain this post and combine it with your plot of not claiming?
"I agree with the comments regarding the seer. Unless the seer has been very unlucky and has investigated The Tick and TheFool his or her information could either out a wolf if they've been successful or can at least clear one or two players as not being wolves which would narrow the field down. The objective today should be to eliminate wolves first. Obvious scum of any kind would be nice to lynch but preferably a wolf."

@Sky - fitz's insanity on me yesterday and pairing with DJ makes some sense for his seer claim - if he's a wolf why not claim a 'clear' on someone like DK who he oddly and blatantly defended? Why do you think he chose someone to 'clear' that was so derpy as regards his actions to them? Do you think he's scum who didn't look back to see if his claim would work, or what?

Thor665 · Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:05 am

@DJ - you can weigh in on the Sky question as well.

Thor665 · Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:37 pm

In post 1196, DeityKabuto wrote:Thor, do you notice that shift in Sky's playstyle now that he has the advantage in this situation?

Of course.

@Sky - so your belief is that fitz is just really dumb scum? Because, usually I note scum try to make their reads...y'know...work with their fakeclaim. I would tend to expect sloppiness a bit more from town - thoughts?

Thor665 · Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:45 pm

Why were CM and I the buddy wolves? Why not DK or sageamagoo?

Thor665 · Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:54 am

In post 989, havingfitz wrote:Also...I like how you are afraid to hammer [Don_Josh who is verified Wolf] you claim was not scum and yet who you have been pushing for his lynch from the back seat. Maybe you are afraid to be on another mislynch?

This might be making up my mind right here.
Dance, fitz, dance for me!

Thor665 · Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:56 am

In post 1137, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1128, Thor665 wrote:@fitz - wasn't DJ at L-1 yesterday...

Not that I recall. Is there a mod count showing that?

Trollololololol.

Thor665 · Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:36 am

@fitz - I do remember the push on me for wanting to lynch DJ (for the record, and speaking as a claimed scum - I still hold it was a misrep of my position).

You're AtEing a bit now too...hurm...

Okay, I'm going to go and eat and then do some other mindless stuff.

I'll do the coin flip tonight or tomorrow at latest.

I'm pretty strongly leaning fitz at this point, one inconsistency I think strengthened his position, the additional one - and off a connection he was excited about to make a scum pairing discussion over but forget the next day...eh...I'm not buying it so much anymore.

Thor665 · Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:30 am

Okay, I've been utting this off long enough, time to flip the coin.

Looking at my choices I got depressed and decided to read each pair for scumpartners. DJ and Sky basically never talk about/to each other till today. Same crud from Sagemagoo/BB and fitz - not a lot of cross talking between them/ DJ and Sky basically leave each other as Null (Sky with slight gut towards DJ) and BB and fitz basically never communicate except for some slight apparent coaching from fitz and a bit of issues on fitz's side when I suspect BB.

Bleh.

As far as today goes,you're both scumtelling up a storm and I don't like either...bleh and double bleh.

Let's see, if Sky is scum; her null (gut scummy, whooo!) read towards her partner is a tell.
She also had that weak-arse breadcrumb.

If Fitz is scum his odd backward logic clearing of most people from being DJ's partner is a scumtell.
Also, quite frankly, the whole DJ interaction is a scumtell.

So, I have the classic scum buddy relationship (null...gut scum, whooo!) and weak breadcrumbs wanting me to vote Sky.
I have a lot of personal gut, and a bewilderment about his relationship with DJ, as well as possible coaching and a not unreasonable buddy relationship wanting me to vote fitz.
Bleh, and triple bleh.

Okay, so who looks more town? Sky has been off and on a town read for me this game, and DJ has not been an unreasonable town read for me.
BB was a bit back and forth as a town/scum read, and fitz was pretty much a scum read throughout.
Yeah, I think what's selling me is personal gut - I can see Sky as the wolf, and it's not a bad case, but I have a very hard time seeing fitz as the seer right now, and he works for the Wolf too (also, it might just be sage, but his partner is failing harder for him, whichever alignment they are)

Vote: havingfitz

Nobody is going to use clearing language and act confused by the case on someone they have a positive scum result on - I can't buy that comfortably.

Thor665 · Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:55 am

Fitz, I'm really not sure what you expect to say that you haven't already. You were a cop with a guilty and played it so cool as to not even lynch the guy you had a guilty on, actively played "I don't understand the case on him" and left phraseology behind that, in my opinion, would make it possible for people to argue you were clearing him of being a wolf. I'm not seeing you as a seer in that situation.

Thor665 · Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:59 am

The worst I can say against Sky is, at least you provided a guilty and polarized the town/wolf other players.

But I'd see that as a bankable strategy for wolves at this stage anyway - you're either playing for the win or playing for the kingmaker, so it's not like you want to bus your buddy today no matter what. I *almost* start to wifom that into a town tell for Sky, but I'm not sure I want to go that far. But, that's about the biggest win I see you having, and *maybe* the sad sack breadcrumbs, but your..."breadcrumbs" of guilt on DJ are almost counter-helpful to town, so...

Thor665 · Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:51 am

If he stops flip-flopping at this stage it's a bad thing in your universe, yeah DJ?

Thor665 · Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:13 pm

So why do you want him to stop flip-flopping?

Thor665 · Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:26 pm

In post 1249, Sky wrote:Maybe because DJ could be a wolf with you?

That is blatantly not the situation though.

Thor665 · Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:39 am

I don't even know why you're cursing at me - I was agreeing with your standpoint in that quote.
Pull your head out of your nether regions and lynch confirmed scum when you have the chance so we don't end up in these situations?
Why do you think DJ was so willing to bus Sky earlier today off a DK case?

Thor665 · Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:41 am

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3457968

Start there and work down. It's weaksauce play if he's town, but there's a period of multiple hours where, theoretically all that needs to happen is scum Thor to back his buddy's play and one town to be sold on the idea.

Thor665 · Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:08 pm

All over but the tallywacking now.

Fitz came close with the argument for playing for DJ's support...but I'm not sure it's as obvious and open that it was going to play like that. Eh, just mentioning that was his best argument and he whips it out and DK swoops for the alley oop before I can mull it over fully.

Still, if Sky is Wolf then...well, I think she and DJ owe a lot to fitz not hammering DJ

If fitz is indeed wolf, then that's where he went wrong with how he played it.

Thor665 · Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:22 am

"I'm actually getting a scum feel from Thor as well. He talks about how good DK is at finding scum from Day 3 onwards but then he keeps saying DK would be a good lynch. Why would town want to lynch someone who is good at finding scum from D3 on?"

Aw man fitz, this and that DJ+Thor because I wouldn't vote him despite pushing for him? You were seriously and in all honesty regarding them as legit tells, and I was seriously bewildered by how badly you were mis-understanding/repping me.

That DK thing was intended as a joke - and I've made that sort of joke on players before (when I'm town) basically I was calling him a good scumhunter and telling scum to kill him when the (I thought clear) joke was that I didn't think he was a good scumhunter, never expected him to become better, and wanted scum to work as a Vig for me by offing him.

Also - I never seriously advocated a DJ lynch - ever. I know where you think I did, but I really wasn't and was dead serious in being confused by your assertion that I had.

"I also think whatever team Thor is on is going to lose. I think he's going to sink his crew."
I'm happy I was able to prove you wrong on this one Ray - I'm usually a pretty decent teammate. I at least try hard, which is half the battle...the other half is being right...I'm...working on that one. I am sorry I had to mislynch you but...ah...you were one of the few town who appeared to have a head attached straight, so as wolf or town I thought you were better off dead for my side. Sorry, nothing personal!

"Seriously, [Thor's] ability to resist the lynch is impressive. "
That has been agreed upon multiple times. I'm very rarely lynched. Almost every lynch of me is due to either Power Role confirmations/actions or in a lylo situation. I do consider it one of my stronger scum skills - I'm just hard to get rid of. I actually never even felt at risk this game at any stage (maybe just very full of myself but, that was the feel)

@Dead QT - I don't think the fitz/Sky question was as clear as you guys did (after having mod confirm...*cough*

) That said, maybe I should have been more aggressive on it, I just wanted to fell 99% comfortable in my own head since I knew it was the last hurrah of the wolves and if I snagged it then it was fairly likely a win for my faction because we would have been the heroes.

Thor665 · Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:27 am

In post 1266, BBmolla wrote:Thor is a scary fellow.

I'm pretty sure I'm taking that as the compliment it is - thank you.

In post 1267, Shadowmod wrote:However, I don't see this situation even occur very often because it could only occur this time as the result of bad mafia play. Had not both of them claimed (and done it before the seer claim which made their claim futile anyway) there would have been no way to tell the last townie from the unclaimed mafioso.

I will agree that the double mafia kill was...not as I'd hoped/planned for the day. DK kind of went with his own riff on the plan (cue smirk and wink at Muffin for his writeup in Dead QT).
I don't think it was *terrible* to double claim, but I certainly agree that we should have got a Seer fullclaim first.

Thor665 · Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:17 pm

In post 1270, Shadowmod wrote:It was terrible - theoretically it cost you any chance to win...

First off - don't get me wrong, you can see in the Mafia QT the plan I thought should have been done - but I don't think the double claim was total fail.

It did force fitz's hand - and other than me and the dead QT after you announced it - no one was really pegging him as scum.
If we hadn't claimed than we might have had Sky as Seer clear DK and I and then would have had a three way choice with fitz/sage/DonJosh as the lynch possibilities.
You sure we would have pegged a wolf out of those three?

Also, I will admit my "revelation" about the Kingmaker in the Mafia QT was less of a revelation and more of a decision to gamble that I didn't need to lie to my scumbuddy. I was intentionally selling that we should go to Kingmaker so everyone could debate their choice - note that even after my 'revelation' my intended words from beyond the grave kept lying to town about it. I had mentioned it in thread and no one had called me on it, so I was gambling that people didn't know their wincons a bit

I am glad with sage's choice though - I do think of any of the factions mafia deserved to...lose least